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okie52
9/4/2013, 11:18 AM
Immigrant fights to become California lawyer


SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Sergio Garcia arrived in the U.S. illegally 20 years ago to pick almonds in the field with his father. But that was not all he wanted for his life.

Working the fields and at a grocery store, he attended community college, studying to become a paralegal, and passed the California bar on the first try, a boast Gov. Jerry Brown, former Gov. Peter Wilson and nearly 50 percent of all first-time test takers can't make.

Now, still living in the U.S. illegally, he will ask the California Supreme Court on Wednesday to license him. He has the support of the state bar and California Attorney General Kamala Harris. The U.S. Department of Justice, however, is trying to block his request.

The DOJ argues in court filings that granting Garcia a law license card would violate a federal law barring people in the U.S. illegally from receiving government benefits. The agency argues the state Supreme Court and California bar officials use public money to license and regulate Garcia's practice.

The federal law was "plainly designed to preclude undocumented aliens from receiving commercial and professional licenses issued by states and the federal government," the DOJ said in court papers after the state's high court asked for the federal government's position.

"It was a real slap in the face," Garcia said.

The dispute is the latest high-profile immigration clash between state and federal laws. Usually, it's the Obama administration opposing state laws in Arizona and elsewhere thought to be anti-immigrant.

The Obama position surprised some, since it had recently adopted a program that shields people who were brought to the U.S. as children, graduated high school and have kept a clean criminal record from deportation and allows them to legally work in the country.

At 36, Garcia is too old to qualify for the Obama program. But he and the immigration groups supporting Garcia argue that he his is exactly the type of candidate the Obama administration had in mind when it adopted its program.

So the administration's flat-out opposition stunned Garcia, who self-financed his education at Cal Northern School of Law in Chico while working at a grocery store and publishing a self-help book in 2006.

"I was very upset by" the administration's position, he said. "I worked hard and have never been a burden to the state."

View gallery."In this Tuesday, Sept. 3, 2013, photo, Sergio Garcia …
In this Tuesday, Sept. 3, 2013, photo, Sergio Garcia poses for photographs in San Francisco. Garcia …
But legal scholars and others say Garcia faces a number of obstacles even if he wins his law license.

Garcia will have to work for himself because no law firm or other employers could legally hire him. And he may be automatically disqualified from representing certain clients and taking on some types of cases because of his citizenship status.

"Garcia is not qualified to practice law because he continually violates federal law by his presence in the United States," former State Bar prosecutor Larry DeSha told the state Supreme Court in one of the few "friend of the court" briefs filed opposing Garcia's licensing.

A similar case is brewing in Florida. That state's Supreme Court has so far refused to certify a person living illegally in the U.S. as a lawyer, but has not issued a final ruling. The California Supreme Court has 90 days to rule after Wednesday's arguments.

Garcia and his numerous supporters argue that he is deserving of his law license on legal — and moral — grounds.

State Bar officials and California's attorney general argue citizenship status is not a requirement to receive a California law license. Garcia said he's deserving to practice law in the state for those legal reasons, plus the hard work and dedication he put into passing the bar examination.

Meanwhile, the immigration groups backing Garcia's bid in the Supreme Court say the man's narrative is exactly the type of immigrants the Obama administration had in mind when it adopted a policy last year to allow people who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children to work legally.

Garcia first came to the U.S. with his family from Mexico when he was 17 months old. He returned to Mexico with his mother when he was 9-years-old and returned eight years later and applied for citizenship in 1994, sponsored by his father who is now an American citizenship.

Garcia said there is nothing unusual about an application pending for so long and estimates it could take another five years to approve given the backlog of applications.

He said he doesn't fear deportation because of the national notoriety his case has received — and the fact that he has formally notified immigration officials of his prolonged presence in the U.S.

What he does worry about is being barred from practicing law in California. In the meantime, he has supported himself as a motivational speaker and paralegal when he can find the work.

"There have been some dark days," he said. "But I'm looking forward to finally presenting my case to the Supreme Court."

AP leaving out the "illegal" part again. Maybe this guy can take up golf.

okie52
9/4/2013, 11:25 AM
Obama and Holder fighting against this poor, noble immigrant from obtaining his right to practice law in California?

FaninAma
9/4/2013, 12:17 PM
It's California. They are practically an annexed territory of Mexico anyway.

TAFBSooner
9/4/2013, 12:52 PM
AP leaving out the "illegal" part again. Maybe this guy can take up golf.

Seventh word of the text.

okie52
9/4/2013, 01:30 PM
Seventh word of the text.

The headline I read was just "immigrant"....how about you?

In fact, I can't find illegal immigrant in the whole article...but since it is an AP article it is unlikely to ever be in an article.


Associated Press Drops 'Illegal Immigrant' From Stylebook

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/press-drops-illegal-immigrant-standards-book/story?id=18862824

KantoSooner
9/4/2013, 01:43 PM
Interesting. Since there are many lawyers admitted to and licensed by the California bar who live in other states and countries and are non-US citizens (I know of at least three by personal acquaintance who are Japanese nationals living in Tokyo - I had to pay the bastidges on occaission), I fail to see the issue. The DOJ case would seem without merit on its face. And, if so, the DOJ attorney who brought the case would be subject to personal fines in the amount of up to treble the costs, as I recall, for bringing a false or frivolous suit. (Rule 13, UCFP, if I recall)
None of that has anything to do with his immigration status, lack thereof or legality of his presence in this country.

okie52
9/4/2013, 01:44 PM
While we're on the subject:


The new AP Stylebook entry for “illegal immigration” states:

illegal immigration Entering or residing in a country in violation of civil or criminal law. Except in direct quotes essential to the story, use illegal only to refer to an action, not a person: illegal immigration, but not illegal immigrant. Acceptable variations include living in or entering a country illegally or without legal permission.

Except in direct quotations, do not use the terms illegal alien, an illegal, illegals or undocumented.

Do not describe people as violating immigration laws without attribution.

Specify wherever possible how someone entered the country illegally and from where. Crossed the border? Overstayed a visa? What nationality?

People who were brought into the country as children should not be described as having immigrated illegally. For people granted a temporary right to remain in the U.S. under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, use temporary resident status, with details on the program lower in the story.

okie52
9/4/2013, 01:48 PM
Interesting. Since there are many lawyers admitted to and licensed by the California bar who live in other states and countries and are non-US citizens (I know of at least three by personal acquaintance who are Japanese nationals living in Tokyo - I had to pay the bastidges on occaission), I fail to see the issue. The DOJ case would seem without merit on its face. And, if so, the DOJ attorney who brought the case would be subject to personal fines in the amount of up to treble the costs, as I recall, for bringing a false or frivolous suit. (Rule 13, UCFP, if I recall)
None of that has anything to do with his immigration status, lack thereof or legality of his presence in this country.

Now there is a real irony...granting permission to someone to practice law who is thereby sworn to uphold the law while he is openly violating the law.

KantoSooner
9/4/2013, 02:29 PM
Yes, the law is an odd beast. This might actually be a case in which the state was required to issue his license while the state bar association was required to start disbarment proceedings, all the while the ICE was commencing deportation actions...and he was running for local office in a sanctuary city like San Francisco.

the law is a bumptious fellow, full of fun and frivolity!

(btw, none of that would stop the DOJ lawyer from personal liability for the frivolous lawsuit. Yeeha!)

okie52
9/4/2013, 02:33 PM
Yes, the law is an odd beast. This might actually be a case in which the state was required to issue his license while the state bar association was required to start disbarment proceedings, all the while the ICE was commencing deportation actions...and he was running for local office in a sanctuary city like San Francisco.

the law is a bumptious fellow, full of fun and frivolity!

(btw, none of that would stop the DOJ lawyer from personal liability for the frivolous lawsuit. Yeeha!)

Yes, the law can be quirky....I can say a good bet on this situation is that Garcia is much more likely to receive his license to practice law than he is to be deported.

sooner_born_1960
9/4/2013, 02:46 PM
After he gets his license to practice law, he should run for California Attorney General. I mean, he worked real hard, and stuff.

okie52
9/4/2013, 03:01 PM
Heh...he's just the type of illegal Obama is looking for...well except for the illegal lawyer thing...

Soonerjeepman
9/4/2013, 06:46 PM
Interesting. Since there are many lawyers admitted to and licensed by the California bar who live in other states and countries and are non-US citizens (I know of at least three by personal acquaintance who are Japanese nationals living in Tokyo - I had to pay the bastidges on occaission), I fail to see the issue. The DOJ case would seem without merit on its face. And, if so, the DOJ attorney who brought the case would be subject to personal fines in the amount of up to treble the costs, as I recall, for bringing a false or frivolous suit. (Rule 13, UCFP, if I recall)
None of that has anything to do with his immigration status, lack thereof or legality of his presence in this country.

think maybe getting their degree LEGALLY had anything to do with it? Plus the fact he is ILLEGALLY living in the United States....your Japanese buddies LIVE in Japan..and I'm assuming, don't claim to live in the United States.

Just a thought~

KantoSooner
9/5/2013, 08:33 AM
How did he illegally get his degree? He's present in the country illegally, but I saw nothing that said he was enrolled illegally. I think he could be both illegally present and legally enrolled.

The Japanese attys licensed in the US attended law school here but dwell in Japan.

The entirety of my point was to distinguish between legal residency/citizenship and fulfilling the requirements to get a professional license. If Cal's licensing requirements are silent on the issue of legal residency, then he could be illegal and still due his license.....and then instantly be in violation of his oath to uphold the laws by being illegally present.

okie52
9/5/2013, 08:55 AM
Kanto-could be the scenario that plays out...

I found it strange that Holder would be contesting the granting him a license when he fought against an AZ law that punished employers that hired illegals (a case he lost in the SC).

KantoSooner
9/5/2013, 09:27 AM
Predicting Holder is like dividing by zero. I'm not sure it's possible nor do I see what point there is to it. Best to step back, watch in amazement and hope not too much damage is done. Expecting consistency from him? Hell, I am not sure the man expects consistency from himself.

TAFBSooner
9/6/2013, 01:34 PM
The headline I read was just "immigrant"....how about you?

In fact, I can't find illegal immigrant in the whole article...but since it is an AP article it is unlikely to ever be in an article.
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/press-drops-illegal-immigrant-standards-book/story?id=18862824

I tend to rely on the text of an article more than the headline . . . how about you?

Apparently the AP style is to describe what happened (Garcia arrived in the US illegally) in preference to assigning labels. I'm not sure why that difference is so important, but I see that it is.

okie52
9/6/2013, 02:25 PM
I tend to rely on the text of an article more than the headline . . . how about you?

Apparently the AP style is to describe what happened (Garcia arrived in the US illegally) in preference to assigning labels. I'm not sure why that difference is so important, but I see that it is.

Still didn't see illegal immigrant in the article...how about you? But I did see immigrant....

Evidently it was important enough for AP to send notice to all of its journalists that they are not to use the term or any term closely associated with it...you know, so not to offend any illegal, illegal immigrant, illegal alien, etc... that is maintaining his illegal status in the country. After all, PC is important...don't ya think?

KantoSooner
9/6/2013, 02:28 PM
I'm sure that's part of it. And probably preventing defamation lawsuits and finally just being tired of the endless letters to the editor.
I know I've made managerial decisions on the basis of less than, "Jeez, let's just get on with it."
Not sure there's a fire here.

okie52
9/6/2013, 02:43 PM
I have a very hard time worrying about what an illegal thinks his proper title should be.