apparently it is time to start cheating again...

[OU_Sooners75]

Now I would never encourage or condone cheating. But apparently the NCAA allows it, so OU should start back to it!

Why? Well apparently Johnny Manziel will be suspended by the NCAA for one half of their first game Vs Rice.

Then the NCAA says they know Manziel didnt accept any money for his signatures. Yet they suspend him anyway. Apparently for a very minor violation that says he didn't try to stop the sell of his signature.

Yeah, the NCAA pretty much gave up because there was no paper trail. So it's time to start some incentives with no paper trails!

Balogun losses a season because he played in a semi-pro league where he never got paid, but had to pay to play.

Cam newton didn't know about the money offer, buy his dad did.

Terrell Pryor sold memorabilia but played in his bowl game.

What a worthless organization the NCAA has become!

[bmjlr]

Oh and Dez loses a whole season for lying...didnt even break a rule, just lied. What a crock!



Of course that didnt break my heart...:friendly_wink:

[salth2o]

agreed.

[SoonerNomad]

I know the NCAA is easy to bash, but you cannot compare cases. You just can't. The level of evidence is important and in JFF's case Manziel denied doing what they were investigating and they don't have evidence to the contrary. In Bryant's case they did. (I also think Bryant's penalty was too harsh, but not the issue).

[nighttrain12]

Where was the paper trail with Rhett Bomar or was he just too dumb not to deny it? (I think I just answered my own question).

[Boomer.....]

I think the day of self imposed penalties for schools is done. The NCAA can never find "evidence" even if it is right in front of them.

[jkjsooner]

I know the NCAA is easy to bash, but you cannot compare cases. You just can't. The level of evidence is important and in JFF's case Manziel denied doing what they were investigating and they don't have evidence to the contrary.

But why were they in such a hurry to close the investigation? Now if a broker comes clean to the NCAA they can't do anything about it (according to ESPN).

It wasn't just about a lack of evidence. It was about the NCAA wanting this to go away...

[cherokeebrewer]

Where was the paper trail with Rhett Bomar or was he just too dumb not to deny it? (I think I just answered my own question).

Our coach is a man of integrity. That's the real reason.

[sooner46]

Now Johnny can get his money, because the case is closed. What a good system. NOT

[olevetonahill]

Dont really CARE for this thread Title Tim you make it sound Like we were the Biggest Cheaters around and Only quit when we got caught

[aurorasooner]

Now Johnny can get his money, because the case is closed. What a good system. NOT I'm not really sure this case is closed. I was reading on another board that the NCAA said currently or "at this time".
I wouldn't be surprised if a Whorn "big cigar" hasn't already offered these brokers a wad of cash for the video of Lil' Johnny Cash taking the cash, if he did, and these brokers have a video or some sort of proof of a cash transaction. --if such a video or audio recording hasn't already been purchased by some rich aggie alum.
It'll be interesting to see if the NCAA mysteriously finds such an anonymous recording in their mail in the future, and if they do, if they slam a$m with a severe penalty/LOIC, or they pull another "Cialis limp moment".

[8timechamps]

I know the NCAA is easy to bash, but you cannot compare cases. You just can't. The level of evidence is important and in JFF's case Manziel denied doing what they were investigating and they don't have evidence to the contrary. In Bryant's case they did. (I also think Bryant's penalty was too harsh, but not the issue).

Exactly.

It's very hard to put this one on the NCAA. They don't have the power they need to get to the bottom of this. All they could really do was find Manziel guilty of one, pretty weak, violation (and one that just about any school in the country could be guilty of violating).

It came down to two things:

1. The NCAA needed one of the whistle-blowing (shady) autograph brokers to talk to them.

-or-

2. Manziel to admit he accepted payment.

Since neither happened, the NCAA was stopped dead in their tracks. Until/Unless the schools that make up the NCAA decide to get serious, the NCAA can only do so much in cases like this.


Don't worry though, Manziel is still a ticking time bomb. He didn't become this way overnight, and he isn't going to change. He'll be out of college football soon enough.

[En_Fuego]

Dont really CARE for this thread Title Tim you make it sound Like we were the Biggest Cheaters around and Only quit when we got caught

Well we were...... But that only adds to the Magic. You know we were Vet.....Stop !

[8timechamps]

I'm not really sure this case is closed. I was reading on another board that the NCAA said currently or "at this time".
I wouldn't be surprised if a Whorn "big cigar" hasn't already offered these brokers a wad of cash for the video of Lil' Johnny Cash taking the cash, if he did, and these brokers have a video or some sort of proof of a cash transaction. --if such a video or audio recording hasn't already been purchased by some rich aggie alum.
It'll be interesting to see if the NCAA mysteriously finds such an anonymous recording in their mail in the future, and if they do, if they slam a$m with a severe penalty/LOIC, or they pull another "Cialis limp moment".

I read the same thing. The NCAA basically said that if new evidence was brought to light, the investigation would follow up on this case.

[En_Fuego]

I wish for the old days...... Pay um and lets kick azz.... Bring it back.... That's what everyone else is doing.

Note: Im sure glad Stoops isn't one of those s crooked mofo's. And if he is .... He's loosing out on the play.

[Collier11]

A few of you have touched on this, but those that are blaming the ncaa, get off of your high horse. This case was quite simply, Manziel lawyered up which his family has the ability to do and said I am not talking. There is no paper trail so nothing can be proved, you cannot convict on probability. The NCAA probably said "hey, we know you aren't going to talk but we have to do something here" so they admitted that his buddy was making money off of him and that is it. NCAA agreed to drop it unless something else comes up

[aurorasooner]

BTW, wasn't a$m the ones who actually turned in Bomar?
I'm glad Stoops immediately kicked Bomar off the team and didn't just suspend him for just 1/2 of the 1st game. LMAO. I do feel sorry for Sumlin though, and it'll be interesting to see if he bolts from College Station after this year to distance himself from this mess.

[EatLeadCommie]

Can anybody remember the last time the NCAA resolved an investigation so quickly? I sure as hell can't.

[Collier11]

The reason Bomar was kicked off of the team was not the violation, it was because he lied to Stoops. I doubt that Sumlin has the same resolve

[8timechamps]

Can anybody remember the last time the NCAA resolved an investigation so quickly? I sure as hell can't.

Miami would agree.

[Scott D]

The reason Bomar was kicked off of the team was not the violation, it was because he lied to Stoops. I doubt that Sumlin has the same resolve

it probably helps when the player's dad is a loudmouth high school level coach, and not some chicken**** who is afraid of his own son and bought a lawyer for him.

[olevetonahill]

Well we were...... But that only adds to the Magic. You know we were Vet.....Stop !

No we wernt the BIGGEST nor did we STOP because we GOT caught!

[OU_Sooners75]

A few of you have touched on this, but those that are blaming the ncaa, get off of your high horse. This case was quite simply, Manziel lawyered up which his family has the ability to do and said I am not talking. There is no paper trail so nothing can be proved, you cannot convict on probability. The NCAA probably said "hey, we know you aren't going to talk but we have to do something here" so they admitted that his buddy was making money off of him and that is it. NCAA agreed to drop it unless something else comes up

Anyone with at least one brain cell knows that a player won't sign 5000+ signatures for free.

Lets be smart here for a moment. The NCAA is suspending a player for half a game for doing nothing wrong?

Yeah, the NCAA knows there is more to it than they are letting on. Fact is they are scared to really do anything about it. Be it because of the wealth of money they Manziels have or aTm has or because the NCAA is scared to mess with the SEC...idk but this smells foul.

The NCAA didn't have a paper trail vs Bomar, because the only paper trail was his taxes. And the NCAA can't touch those. So the only real evidence was a time card.

Yeah, the NCAA screwed this one up!

And Howard, we have a history of being among the elite cheaters in the history of the NCAA, so blots an appropriate title.

[Curly Bill]

Where is Kevin Sumlin in all this? Is he as afraid of little Johnny as little Johnny's dad is? Whatever admiration I might have had for Sumlin has pretty much gone away.

[Scott D]

Where is Kevin Sumlin in all this? Is he as afraid of little Johnny as little Johnny's dad is? Whatever admiration I might have had for Sumlin has pretty much gone away.

The problem that Sumlin has is that the idiot Chancellor of the aTm system is clearly in Bieber's family's corner. So he's probably more afraid of losing his job or being sued by Bieber's parents.

[Peeb]

But why were they in such a hurry to close the investigation? Now if a broker comes clean to the NCAA they can't do anything about it (according to ESPN).

It wasn't just about a lack of evidence. It was about the NCAA wanting this to go away...
I certainly have no clue about the particular facts know and/or avaiable to the NCAA, but to the casual observer, it can be argued that the appearances are that the NCAA very much wanted this young man to play this year. If this is in fact their motivation, I honestly have no problem with this approach so long as it is their attitude about all college kids with alleged infractions- but the perception there is that this is not what is happening either. Wheter this is an arguable perception problem or an actual reality, it is not a great situation for the ncaa.

This might just be tragic coincidence, but heisman winners Reggie Bush and Johnny Manziel break the rules and keep playing, whereas other 'lesser' offenders mentioned in this thread and elsewhere are immediately hammered. Granted, years later after his college career was long over, the ncaa finally did something with Bush, but who really cared at that point? Same might or might not happen to Manziel, but again- it will mean nothing to the teams that have to play him next week or next month if their losses are 'vacated' years from now.

I don't have any answers, but if I was a PR guy for the NCAA, I would not like my job this morning.

[jkjsooner]

I certainly have no clue about the particular facts know and/or avaiable to the NCAA, but to the casual observer, it can be argued that the appearances are that the NCAA very much wanted this young man to play this year. If this is in fact their motivation, I honestly have no problem with this approach so long as it is their attitude about all college kids with alleged infractions- but the perception there is that this is not what is happening either. Wheter this is an arguable perception problem or an actual reality, it is not a great situation for the ncaa.

This might just be tragic coincidence, but heisman winners Reggie Bush and Johnny Manziel break the rules and keep playing, whereas other 'lesser' offenders mentioned in this thread and elsewhere are immediately hammered. Granted, years later after his college career was long over, the ncaa finally did something with Bush, but who really cared at that point? Same might or might not happen to Manziel, but again- it will mean nothing to the teams that have to play him next week or next month if their losses are 'vacated' years from now.

I don't have any answers, but if I was a PR guy for the NCAA, I would not like my job this morning.

What I think happened is that the A&M scorched earth policy of bringing to light every big name player who has autographs on eBay worked. The NCAA realized that guys like Clowney and Bridgewater almost surely took money for their autographs as well and that it will be hard to go after Manziel without going after the others.

The whole "but so and so did it too" defense seemed to work. Allowing this defense is no way to enforce rules.

Is there any doubt that the NCAA has become powerless considering Dan Beebe is back there as an investigator?


And, by the way, there is evidence on Manziel but it is hearsay. For the NCAA of old that would have been enough.

[jkjsooner]

No we wernt the BIGGEST nor did we STOP because we GOT caught!

No kidding. How anyone could say we were the biggest cheaters is beyond me. We never approached the levels of SMU who had players on a semi-official payroll. We didn't buy Eric Dickerson a new Trans Am. We sure as heck never paid a player's dad over $100k.

[OU_Sooners75]

No we wernt the BIGGEST nor did we STOP because we GOT caught!

No kidding. How anyone could say we were the biggest cheaters is beyond me. We never approached the levels of SMU who had players on a semi-official payroll. We didn't buy Eric Dickerson a new Trans Am. We sure as heck never paid a player's dad over $100k.

We have what 7 or 8 major infractions.

There are a few with the same amount as us, but last I looked not one that has more.

We may not have pulled a SMU or OSU, but are very far from having a clean history.

[olevetonahill]

We have what 7 or 8 major infractions.

There are a few with the same amount as us, but last I looked not one that has more.

We may not have pulled a SMU or OSU, but are very far from having a clean history.

I **** the bed once also But I dont much care to Keep bringing it up and Talkin about it .

[Wishboned]

I **** the bed once also But I dont much care to Keep bringing it up and Talkin about it .

Well apparently it's time to start ****ting the bed again.

[boomersooner28]

Don't get mad at Sumlin, he is just acting like every other SEC school. Texas A&M is just trying to keep the playing field level.

[jkjsooner]

We may not have pulled a SMU or OSU, but are very far from having a clean history.

And that would be relevant if I ever said we had a clean history...

[olevetonahill]

Well apparently it's time to start ****ting the bed again.

I got pretty durnk last Night , I may have:05.18-flustered:.

[PrideMom]

Two words: Rich Parents.....

[ashley]

Where is Kevin Sumlin in all this? Is he as afraid of little Johnny as little Johnny's dad is? Whatever admiration I might have had for Sumlin has pretty much gone away.

What did Sumlin do?

[colleyvillesooner]

What did Sumlin do?

I think his point is that he did nothing.

[colleyvillesooner]

Where is Kevin Sumlin in all this? Is he as afraid of little Johnny as little Johnny's dad is? Whatever admiration I might have had for Sumlin has pretty much gone away.

I lost it after this:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/09/texas_am_coach_kevin_sumlin_ta.html


Then Hurricane Isaac barreled through Louisiana, forcing the game to be postponed until Oct. 13 in Shreveport. But instead of carrying the suspensions over to the next week - the Aggies' SEC opener against Florida on Saturday -- Sumlin opted to postpone them as well.

"Neither guy was involved in our preparation for Louisiana Tech and that will remain the situation," Sumlin said last week. "A lot of things have changed since the storm and they will still be suspended for the Louisiana Tech game. That won't change."

[Breadburner]

Tail wagging the dog.....!!!

[OU_Sooners75]

We may not have pulled a SMU or OSU, but are very far from having a clean history.

And that would be relevant if I ever said we had a clean history...

Your comment is about a dumb as they come!

Fact is OU has the most crooked program in history. It is out past, but maybe it needs to be our present?

[KantoSooner]

Most crooked program in history?

Gimme that pipe, cause that's goooooood herb you got going there, Johnson.

SMU ring a bell? The entire SWC for the decades from inception to dissolution of the conference?

FSU? Miami? Criminy, the list is as long as my arm of the teams who've been waaaaaaay further down the road than OU.

Here's the deal: OU had a coach, Barry, who taunted and dared the authorities. And it was Oklahoma, so the clout was way less than had it been, oh, say, Texas. That's why we got tagged, not any margin of offenses.

[Wishboned]

Your comment is about a dumb as they come!

Fact is OU has the most crooked program in history. It is out past, but maybe it needs to be our present?

This whole ****ing thread is about as dumb as they come. And it might just be the most idiotic thread I've ever read on this board.

Oklahoma is not first, or even second.


http://www.footballgeography.com/college-football-fbs-and-ncaa-probation/

[OU_Sooners75]

Your comment is about a dumb as they come!

Fact is OU has the most crooked program in history. It is out past, but maybe it needs to be our present?

This whole ****ing thread is about as dumb as they come. And it might just be the most idiotic thread I've ever read on this board.

Oklahoma is not first, or even second.


http://www.footballgeography.com/college-football-fbs-and-ncaa-probation/

Do yourself a favor and research NCAA infraction database.

OU is tied for the lead.

7 major infractions all which resulted in probation.

Yes SMU took the cake with their death penalty. But OU has been placed on probation more than any other school.

That's crooked.

And I'm talking more than just football. The entire athletic department.

So take off the blinders for a moment and let reality set in.

[olevetonahill]

This whole ****ing thread is about as dumb as they come. And it might just be the most idiotic thread I've ever read on this board.

Oklahoma is not first, or even second.


http://www.footballgeography.com/college-football-fbs-and-ncaa-probation/

Heh, Im thinkin someone **** the bed again.

[Wishboned]

Do yourself a favor and research NCAA infraction database.

OU is tied for the lead.

7 major infractions all which resulted in probation.

Yes SMU took the cake with their death penalty. But OU has been placed on probation more than any other school.

That's crooked.

And I'm talking more than just football. The entire athletic department.

So take off the blinders for a moment and let reality set in.


You need to take off the blinders and learn to read.

http://thesportdigest.com/2012/08/the-ncaa-probation-hall-of-shame/



Arizona State 9. SMU 8. OU tied with at least 7 other schools at 7. And we're talking the entire athletic department.

9 times. That's 2 more than 7. 8 times. That's one more than 7. Use your fingers if you need to do the math.

[Wishboned]

This is still the stupidest ****ing thread I've ever seen.

Last time I saw someone scream so loud that OU was the most crooked program they were wearing orange and chasing sheep.

**** like this belongs on orangepower.com

[olevetonahill]

This is still the stupidest ****ing thread I've ever seen.

Last time I saw someone scream so loud that OU was the most crooked program they were wearing orange and chasing sheep.

**** like this belongs on orangepower.com

My Momma was a 2 bit Ho, My sisters were sluts and My daughter makes Miley look Angelic. But I really dont want to talk about it.

[En_Fuego]

I want to see some mofo pulling up to the game wearing a mink coat hopping out of a luxury sedan or limo.

Oh wait...... That was the glorious 80's

[Wishboned]

My Momma was a 2 bit Ho, My sisters were sluts and My daughter makes Miley look Angelic. But I really dont want to talk about it.

And I'm sure you don't sit around saying, "You know I think it's time you got back to your old ways."

What's next? A thread hoping for injuries? Maybe one saying if we really put some effort into it we can win the Fulmer Cup!

[Jacie]

How many of OUr violations occurred after the lawsuit that went in favor of OU to wrest control of television rights away from the NCAA?

The bastids never forgave or forgot that one . . .

[OU_Sooners75]

How many of OUr violations occurred after the lawsuit that went in favor of OU to wrest control of television rights away from the NCAA?

The bastids never forgave or forgot that one . . .

Most of them unfortunately.

And wishbone...

I don't want to go back to the cheating

But if other schools are going to do it and get away with it. Then it will only put us further and further behind.

Sad fact, but it is what it is.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Can anybody remember the last time the NCAA resolved an investigation so quickly? I sure as hell can't.


How many years was the Reggie Bush investigation? He was a few years out of USC before that baby was done. He and Pete Carroll were outta there.

[sooner46]

OU is always going to take it on the chin form the NCAA, because they do not like us.

As long as Texas (If they still do) has a member on the infraction committee, all teams in Big 12 teams are in trouble.
I remember some time back that TAM had about 9 infractions and Texas had about 18 of the same type (They listed them in the paper). TAM got hammered; Texas got a slap on the hand.

But to make a statement “apparently it is time to start cheating again” is just crazy. No, my head is not buried in the sand I remember those days. But like Olevetonahill has been saying, I cannot believe it is being talk about in the detail that it is.

Someone needs to lock this thread. Just my opinion.

[Curly Bill]

The problem that Sumlin has is that the idiot Chancellor of the aTm system is clearly in Bieber's family's corner. So he's probably more afraid of losing his job or being sued by Bieber's parents.

Fair point. Whatever it is Sumlin looks very weak.

[bluedogok]

It's Rice, Sumlin just needs to sit him out the whole game.

[Curly Bill]

It's Rice, Sumlin just needs to sit him out the whole game.

It appears Sumlin either doesn't have the power to do that, or he doesn't have the balls to do that.

[SoonerKnight]

Long story short Texas sucks always has and always will. One would hope that the **** that JF has pulled will catch up to him because he will think he got away with something and probably open his mouth the closer he gets to leaving. He may not feel the ramifications but his team and school will.

He is too cocky to not make a big mistake. As for the NCAA they are always going to hate OU. Remember we sued their sorry asses and won!

[aurorasooner]

That JFF fark thread over at Tiger Droppings is really funny. That train wreck gif by Rattlehead is classic as is that Money Badger/NCAA GIF. I guess that a$m posted a billboard in Gainesville similar to the one they posted in Austin but the one in Gainesville said "Howdy Gainesville, You've Been Annexed by the Aggie Nation, Best Academics and Cleanest Program in the SEC. Whoop. Real Football and Real Tradition. LMAO.

[Sooner in the Bluegrass]

It's Rice, Sumlin just needs to sit him out the whole game.

But then he wouldn't be able to shake the rust off with some "real" game PT before the big rematch with Bama.

Maybe it's just me, but I think there's some big-time collusion here, either of the overt variety or by implication. Maybe someone at the NCAA even recommended a few more games as punishment at first. But either someone there who was more in tune with the needs of the folks who keep the NCAA funded to the extent that they are-- or someone from CBS just straight up provided them with a friendly "reminder"-- probably made it clear that if Golden Boy couldn't play in game 2, it might hurt the ratings for that game to an unacceptable degree. To say nothing of ABC-ESPN-- I'm sure GameDay will be there for that game and the hype machine will be cranked up to 11 for the rematch. All of which would fall flat if everyone involved had scruples and/or a backbone, and he had to sit out any real amount of (entire) games.

But they couldn't just do nothing, given the amount of press the story has gotten, so (for me) that's why we have this weak-sauce embarrassment of a "punishment." YMMV.

[Curly Bill]

Even the talking heads at ESPN, often seen as a shill for the NCAA and maybe the SEC in particular, don't believe Little Johnny wasn't paid, and are saying how the NCAA should be embarrassed. Kinda refreshing to hear them saying something that doesn't follow their party line.

[Piware]

I think the day of self imposed penalties for schools is done. The NCAA can never find "evidence" even if it is right in front of them.

I think the boys over in Stoolwater stumbled across this post. Since they have never had an original thought in the history of the school, they took you seriously. Now the smell of scorched sheep and hair gel is permeating the air.