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[SanJoaquinSooner]

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[SicEmBaylor]

The GOP is going through a major soul-searching right now and a major shift in ideology is taking place. The statist neoconservative wing is starting to give way a bit to the libertarian-leaning wing. However, the fight could still go either way and I'm not real optimistic. Even if the libertarian-wing wins out within the party, I doubt it'll go as far as it should (i.e. over-throwing the current House and Senate leadership).

If things turn out that statist/neoconservative wing regains favor then I hope the Republican Party just flat out dies. If it were a horse, I'd take it out to pasture and put a .45 round in it.

[SicEmBaylor]

HOWEVER, I need to say that I have some big issues with the libertarian-wing of the GOP as well. The difference, however, between they and the statist/neoconservative wing is that given the choice between the two, I will always err on the side of liberty and small/limited government.

I'm actually a paleoconservative, but we paleoconservatives are so few and far between that we'll never gain control of the party. The best we can do is side in with the RLC-types which is something I don't mind doing because at least they're committed to reducing the size and role of government....unlike the statist/neocon wing.

But like I said, I tend to disagree with RLC types on a handful of issues...namely immigration and free-trade.

[diverdog]

Okay I will ask again. Show me one country with a population over 50,000,000 people that works with a libertarian or a paleoconservative government.

[yermom]

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[badger]

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NP and I just watched this on Netflix this weekend :)

[yermom]

i was pretty sure this was referring to Bob Dole, he just can't post an image ;)

i haven't seen anyone else mention this, i'm guessing the crowd here will lump him in with the MSM/Obama crowd

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/05/26/bob_dole_republican_party_should_put_a_sign_up_tha t_says_closed_for_repairs.html

[olevetonahill]

I just watched this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn-B_jIRS6c

[olevetonahill]

The Offishual Political Delete me thread.:applause:

[SoonerorLater]

Okay I will ask again. Show me one country with a population over 50,000,000 people that works with a libertarian or a paleoconservative government.

I can't think of one under 50,000,000 either because there are no true libertarian governments and there never will be. Libertarianism is a philosophy not an end-point destination. True libertarians have a Utopian mindset that's just not real-worldly in a pragmatic, nuts and bolts method of modern governance. What is extremely valuable is that Libertarians provide the idealism to be the lead point critics of an overreaching Federal Government.

[badger]

The Offishual Political Delete me thread.:applause:

Well in that case... post all your funniest images and links! STAT!

http://marriott67.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/kohfathersonandjc.jpg?w=655

[olevetonahill]

Well in that case... post all your funniest images and links! STAT!

http://marriott67.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/kohfathersonandjc.jpg?w=655

Yup, The more politically subtle the better. Kinda like juans blank OP

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[badger]

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[olevetonahill]

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[diverdog]

I can't think of one under 50,000,000 either because there are no true libertarian governments and there never will be. Libertarianism is a philosophy not an end-point destination. True libertarians have a Utopian mindset that's just not real-worldly in a pragmatic, nuts and bolts method of modern governance. What is extremely valuable is that Libertarians provide the idealism to be the lead point critics of an overreaching Federal Government.

I completely agree with you.

There are also no countries that I know of where states/provincial rights exceed those of a central national government. Eventually you end up with a Balkanization of states and eventually a war or two as experienced in the US if they are given more power than the central government.. That is not to say there should not be balance and a representative democracy nor should the government not be under the control of the electorate. While our form of government is less than perfect it is still the best planet.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Bob Dole: Republicans Need 'Closed for Repair' Sign Until 2014

Former Republican presidential nominee Bob Dole is telling Republicans to put a "closed for repair" sign on the door until 2014 so that the party can develop a "positive agenda."

In an interview that aired on Sunday, Dole told Fox News host Chris Wallace that "there was no doubt about it" that Republicans were abusing the filibuster because motions for cloture had increased from seven in 1969-1970 to 115 in last year's 112th Congress.

"There's some cases where it's probably justified," the war veteran explained. "But not many."

"I think they ought to put a sign on the national committee doors that says closed for repairs until New Year's Day next year," he added. "And spend that time going over ideas and positive agendas."

Dole said that he doubted that he and even former President Ronald Reagan could survive in today's Republican Party.

"Reagan couldn't have made it. Certainly, Nixon couldn't have made it because he had ideas," he pointed out. "I just consider myself a Republican, none of this hyphenated stuff. I was a mainstream conservative Republican."

The former presidential nominee also damned President Barack Obama with faint praise.

"What do you think of Barack Obama," Wallace wondered.

"Great golfer," Dole quipped. "Very articulate. I think, as a president, he lacks communications skills with his own party, let alone the Republican Party. And he's on the road too much."

[SoonerorLater]

Bob Dole: Republicans Need 'Closed for Repair' Sign Until 2014

Former Republican presidential nominee Bob Dole is telling Republicans to put a "closed for repair" sign on the door until 2014 so that the party can develop a "positive agenda."

In an interview that aired on Sunday, Dole told Fox News host Chris Wallace that "there was no doubt about it" that Republicans were abusing the filibuster because motions for cloture had increased from seven in 1969-1970 to 115 in last year's 112th Congress.

"There's some cases where it's probably justified," the war veteran explained. "But not many."

"I think they ought to put a sign on the national committee doors that says closed for repairs until New Year's Day next year," he added. "And spend that time going over ideas and positive agendas."

Dole said that he doubted that he and even former President Ronald Reagan could survive in today's Republican Party.

"Reagan couldn't have made it. Certainly, Nixon couldn't have made it because he had ideas," he pointed out. "I just consider myself a Republican, none of this hyphenated stuff. I was a mainstream conservative Republican."

The former presidential nominee also damned President Barack Obama with faint praise.

"What do you think of Barack Obama," Wallace wondered.

"Great golfer," Dole quipped. "Very articulate. I think, as a president, he lacks communications skills with his own party, let alone the Republican Party. And he's on the road too much."



I assume he must be talking at least in part about the "new guys" like Cruz, Rubio and Paul. The thing is, these guys were elected to change the political climate. There were not elected just to go along to get along. A lot of people, myself included feel Bob Dole and Republican senators of a similar mindset should have been retired a long time ago. when Bob Dole uses the term "mainstream" all I can think of is more of the same stuff that got us into the chasm of debt this country is in today.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

when Bob Dole uses the term "mainstream" all I can think of is more of the same stuff that got us into the chasm of debt this country is in today.Huh? Is that creating $85 Billion per month of new money, borrowing from everywhere, including the chicoms, not having a federal budget, creating Obamacare(the full effects of which haven't been realized yet) the presidential Sequester, and the Porkulus money grab, closing of auto dealerships that didn't donate to your party, etc. etc. etc.?

"Mainstream" could be going along with democrat ideas that have hamstrung the country for a long time? That is, not opposing nor fighting them.