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okie52
5/17/2013, 11:02 AM
Judge: Arizona Can Deny Driver's Licenses to Immigrants

Gov. Jan Brewer
Friday, 17 May 2013 07:41 AM

A U.S. federal judge refused on Thursday to block Arizona's Republican governor, who has long clashed with Washington over immigration reform, from denying driver's licenses to young immigrants granted temporary legal status by the federal government.
Civil rights groups had filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Phoenix in November against Governor Jan Brewer and two state transportation department officials on behalf of five Mexican immigrants who qualify for deferred deportation status under a program pushed by President Barack Obama.

The suit challenged the legality of an order issued by Brewer in August that denied the young migrants licenses, arguing that the federal deferred action program did not give them lawful status or entitle them to public benefits.

Judge David Campbell ruled that while the young immigrants appeared likely to prevail in their argument on constitutional equal-protection grounds, they had not proved they would suffer irreparable injury as the case proceeds.

"The court concludes that plaintiffs have not shown a likelihood of success on the merits of their Supremacy Clause claim," Campbell noted in a written ruling denying the motion for a preliminary injunction.

"Plaintiffs have shown a likelihood of success on the merits of their equal-protection claim, but the Court finds that they have not shown a likelihood of irreparable injury and have not otherwise met the high burden for a mandatory injunction," he added.

The ruling came as a bipartisan group of lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives declared on Thursday they had reached a tentative deal for passage of a major bill to revamp the nation's immigration policy.

The final sticking point in Washington, according to congressional sources, was over whether illegal immigrants now in the United States who gain legal status under the bill could participate in the new healthcare law known as "Obamacare," which Republicans want to repeal.

While the judge in the Arizona driver's license case said the immigrants' equal-protection claim was likely to succeed, he also tossed a separate argument that the Arizona policy was pre-empted by federal law in a move Brewer described as a victory.

"This portion of the ruling is not only a victory for the State of Arizona, it is a victory for states' rights, the rule of law and the bedrock principles that guide our nation's legislative process and the division of power between the federal government and states," Brewer said in a statement.

An attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union had argued for the plaintiffs at a hearing before Campbell in March. A call to the ACLU seeking comment was not immediately returned on Thursday.

Under Obama's program, immigrants who came to the United States as children and meet certain other criteria can apply for a work permit for a renewable period of two years. They also can obtain Social Security numbers.

An estimated 1.7 million youths are potentially eligible for the program, of whom about 80,000 live in Arizona. As of mid-February, about 200,000 applicants nationwide had been granted deferred action, according to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

Those immigrants are considered to be lawfully present in the United States during that period.

About 40 U.S. states and the District of Columbia have confirmed they were granting driver's licenses - or planned to do so - for youths who received a short-term deportation reprieve under the program in June.

While Republicans in some states have opposed drivers licenses for illegal immigrants, only Arizona and Nebraska said outright that young immigrants were not eligible.

Brewer maintains that the policy did not "confer upon them any lawful or authorized status and does not entitle them to any additional public benefits."

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As the judge stated its probably just a delay but hopefully Pancho will **** up by driving illegally and get sent home.

olevetonahill
5/17/2013, 11:07 AM
Heh
a Poem
My Name Is Pancho,
I work on a rancho
I make 5 peso a day
I go to see Lucy
to get me some P***y
She take my 5 peso away.

okie52
5/17/2013, 11:08 AM
LOL...

But Pancho is putting money back into the system and growing our economy!!!!

cleller
5/17/2013, 11:22 AM
What's funny is that this is kind of a surprise that a court would rule a state has the right to decide who can get a D/L these days.

One4OU
5/17/2013, 12:31 PM
States ought to be able to set their own immigration laws. If DC wants to dictate to states then all illegals should have to move to DC. That would change their mind. Its easy to pass laws and develop views on topics that you dont have to look out your window and deal with everyday. DC has perfected this process.

Midtowner
5/17/2013, 12:42 PM
States ought to be able to set their own immigration laws. If DC wants to dictate to states then all illegals should have to move to DC. That would change their mind. Its easy to pass laws and develop views on topics that you dont have to look out your window and deal with everyday. DC has perfected this process.

One of the defining qualities of a nation is the ability to regulate its own immigration policy. It's an inherent federal power.

This of course is not immigration policy, but driver licensing and it's going to have some ugly unintended consequences.

Now, every illegal on the road is going to be there illegally and uninsured. If you live in AZ, I'd update your insurance policy to make sure you have UM.

okie52
5/17/2013, 12:59 PM
Supposedly we are a nation of laws.

That's not an unintended consequence as AZ is deliberately preventing illegals from legally driving on the road. Illegals can continue their lawbreaking activities by driving. Hopefully they have many accidents and are deported for their continued disregard of US law.

lubbocksooner
5/17/2013, 01:35 PM
One of the defining qualities of a nation is the ability to regulate its own immigration policy. It's an inherent federal power.

Too right, too bad they do such a bad job of it in my opinion.


This of course is not immigration policy, but driver licensing and it's going to have some ugly unintended consequences.

Now, every illegal on the road is going to be there illegally and uninsured. If you live in AZ, I'd update your insurance policy to make sure you have UM.

Really, I doubt that. So many uninsured right now (both legal and illegal persons) that I don't think it will make a statistical difference. I really don't think a bunch of illegals are going to run out and buy insurance and pay money when they have been getting along fine (in their minds) all along. They are currently willing to risk driving with no credentials right now so if they have a DL and don't have to worry about that ticket just having no insurance many will take the chance and just pay the ticket if caught. It will be cheaper in the end for them after all they have nothing to for accident victims to sure for so in the event of that happening the are really out nothing.

My my own feelings on this as long as states have vbter registration coupled with DL's such as "motor voter" laws no one who can't prove they are here legally should get a DL. Too much fraud liability.

Midtowner
5/17/2013, 01:59 PM
Supposedly we are a nation of laws.

That's not an unintended consequence as AZ is deliberately preventing illegals from legally driving on the road. Illegals can continue their lawbreaking activities by driving. Hopefully they have many accidents and are deported for their continued disregard of US law.

This does nothing to prevent them from driving. It prevents them from doing it legally.

It will definitely increase illegal driving and as a result of that, hit and runs, etc., are going to increase.

lubbocksooner
5/17/2013, 02:08 PM
This does nothing to prevent them from driving. It prevents them from doing it legally.

It will definitely increase illegal driving and as a result of that, hit and runs, etc., are going to increase.

Why is the rate of accidents going to increase? As it is right now illegals can't get DL's so I would think we would be at "saturation" so to speak on illegal aliens driving. Accidents might go down but they might not, when I visit my brother in law in El Paso the rule he gave me is to make sure I can clear ahead of other cars on intersections and stuff because the drivers coming across from Juarez don't pay any real attention to our law and will just drive on anyway after hitting you. And they are driving here legally because they come across for the day to shop or work or whatever and then go home. These trends would be very hard to reverse. My mother/father in law still refuse to use a bank for much of anything and they have been here legally since the '70's. Espicially my father in law, he talke all his social security check out the bank the day it gets there by electronic deposit. I am extrapolating this to driving customs/attitudes but it may not hold much water.

okie52
5/17/2013, 03:00 PM
This does nothing to prevent them from driving. It prevents them from doing it legally.

It will definitely increase illegal driving and as a result of that, hit and runs, etc., are going to increase.

Absolutely correct...any law does not prevent someone from breaking the law, it just renders consequences for those that do break the law.

It won't increase illegal driving as the illegals are already doing so in AZ but it will not excuse their illicit conduct by giving them a DL.

olevetonahill
5/17/2013, 03:05 PM
This does nothing to prevent them from driving. It prevents them from doing it legally.

It will definitely increase illegal driving and as a result of that, hit and runs, etc., are going to increase.

Same arguement can be made about the Gun control agenda. The Libs keep pushing.

Midtowner
5/17/2013, 03:05 PM
It's not deporting them, so the state's best interests would probably be served to go ahead and license these guys.

Of course, considering the state of technology, we ought to be doing a better job of policing uninsured motorists. We have the technology right now to install cameras on all police cruisers which could scan license plates and cross reference them with a database of insured drivers to pick out folks who are driving uninsured.

Midtowner
5/17/2013, 03:07 PM
Same arguement can be made about the Gun control agenda. The Libs keep pushing.

You make a valid point.

So why is what I'm saying wrong if it's the exact same argument you're in favor of when it comes to gun control.

I'll tell you I vacillate on gun control from being in favor of registration and licensing, etc., to total deregulation. Lots of good arguments either way.

XingTheRubicon
5/17/2013, 04:08 PM
well, at least they can still vote