Part-timers to lose pay amid health act's new math

[sappstuf]

Ah yes.. The unintended consequences of Obamacare.


Consider the city of Long Beach. It is limiting most of its 1,600 part-time employees to fewer than 27 hours a week, on average. City officials say that without cutting payroll hours, new health benefits would cost up to $2 million more next year, and that extra expense would trigger layoffs and cutbacks in city services.

Part-timer Tara Sievers, 43, understands why, but she still thinks it's wrong.

"I understand there are costs to healthcare reform, but it is surely not the intent of the law for employees to lose hours," said the outreach coordinator at the El Dorado Nature Center in Long Beach. "It's ridiculous the city is skirting the law."

What Ms Sievers, and most liberals, don't understand is that Long Beach isn't "skirting" anything. They are following the law exactly as written. Liberals always seem to think that laws are written in vacuums and nothing will change except what they want to change.

The result was predictable and predicted by many on the right. From the CATO institute in May of 2009:


Employers will therefore seek ways to offset the added costs by: raising prices (the most unlikely solution in a competitive market); lowering wages; reducing future wage increases; reducing other benefits (such as pensions); cutting back on hiring; laying off current workers;
shifting workers from full-time to parttime; or outsourcing.

And here I was told by people on the Left that the only reason to oppose Obama and Obamacare was racism.... Who would have guess there were many valid reaons to oppose it.. This is just one of them.

Obama and the Dems and only the Dems have created a perversive enviroment that will actively destroy the middle class.

Own it.

[Midtowner]

I just love stories with anonymous sources who don't come out and say that the 1,600 part timers were part time prior to the ACA's passage. Many of these workers will look elsewhere for employment. The market will straighten things out.

[sappstuf]

I just love stories with anonymous sources who don't come out and say that the 1,600 part timers were part time prior to the ACA's passage. Many of these workers will look elsewhere for employment. The market will straighten things out.

Oh it certainly will. With more people underemployed and working 2 jobs...

Own it.

[sappstuf]

And as far as your "anonymous sources" go...


Overall, an estimated 2.3 million workers nationwide, including 240,000 in California, are at risk of losing hours as employers adjust to the new math of workplace benefits, according to research by UC Berkeley.

[cleller]

Seems likely there will be fewer full time jobs as a result of this, also. That would mean less income, and still no health benefits.

[olevetonahill]

Oh it certainly will. With more people underemployed and working 2 jobs...

Own it.

Bro, Dont you realize that matlock knows everything? You should NEVER argue with or question the matlock.

[Curly Bill]

Matlock is a 2-bit shill for all things lib. He's not even worth arguing with anymore, but he is fun to laugh at!

[badger]

Some seem to think that there's money somewhere for employers to do this, that they were just previously withholding it in order to screw the little guy or something.

Perhaps in the case of the Walmarts, but in many cases, city, state and other public budgets are set by lawmakers from sales and property tax money. There's no money hidden in city or state coffers (especially during these harsh economic times) for added health care costs. Who do they pass the cost onto? Would the taxpayers vote themselves (or elected officials who would on their behalf) higher taxes to fund Obamacare? HahahahhahahahahaNO.

There's a Tulsa city councilor who loves to pitch pet projects here, reasoning that it's the right thing to do and that they need to find money for it. THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.

Obamacare is the right thing to do and money should be found by employers to fund it? THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.

THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.

[olevetonahill]

Matlock is a 2-bit shill for all things lib. He's not even worth arguing with anymore, but he is fun to laugh at!

yup.

[olevetonahill]

The major reason for Full time employees was the simple fact it COST less to pay benefits to them, Than it did to TRAIN new part timers. Now with the cost of a Full time employee going thru the roof, Its Cheaper to hire in more and work them less.
You betcha the Market place will work it out.

[cleller]

Obamacare is the right thing to do and money should be found by employers to fund it? THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.

THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.THERE AIN'T ANY MONEY.

Could this be what happens when someone gets too used to printing their own money?

Not everyone can do that, and when something threatens their survival, they are forced to find a way to deal with it.

[cleller]

The major reason for Full time employees was the simple fact it COST less to pay benefits to them, Than it did to TRAIN new part timers. Now with the cost of a Full time employee going thru the roof, Its Cheaper to hire in more and work them less.
You betcha the Market place will work it out.

Hmmm. This is sounding less and less like the work work of a country boy, and more like that of a disenchanted academic brain-lord on self imposed exile in the wilds of SE Oklahoma.

[olevetonahill]

Hmmm. This is sounding less and less like the work work of a country boy, and more like that of a disenchanted academic brain-lord on self imposed exile in the wilds of SE Oklahoma.

SHHHHHHH!

[cleller]

Another funny situation is that at some jobs, full-timers can now work scads of overtime, as employers don't want to add new positions. My brother is taking full advantage of this, and has been working insane amounts of OT for the last year or two, because he has two kids in college.

One man's pain is another's gain.

[olevetonahill]

Another funny situation is that at some jobs, full-timers can now work scads of overtime, as employers don't want to add new positions. My brother is taking full advantage of this, and has been working insane amounts of OT for the last year or two, because he has two kids in college.

One man's pain is another's gain.


There ya have it, The Skilled will be ok. its the Low skilled who will suffer.
which by the way is the very ones this crap is intended to HELP.

[pphilfran]

No ****ing way! No business or government entity would lower hours to avoid paying for healthcare...

[olevetonahill]

No ****ing way! No business or government entity would lower hours to avoid paying for healthcare...

Well F*** there went my theory all to hell.

[Curly Bill]

Another funny situation is that at some jobs, full-timers can now work scads of overtime, as employers don't want to add new positions. My brother is taking full advantage of this, and has been working insane amounts of OT for the last year or two, because he has two kids in college.

One man's pain is another's gain.


Yup, got a buddy that works for Peterbilt doing the same thing.

[badger]

I wish there was a solution that was beneficial to everyone. Here's some ideas I had:

1- Invest some time in seeing how much fat and calories all that fast food you eat really have (For example, you'll likely consume more calories at Subway than McDonald's)

2- Exercise. You don't have to take up jogging, but walk the dogs occasionally. Go fishing in a boat you have to row instead of motor around. Play with your kids/grandkids.

3- Sleep at night or at least minimize daytime stress.

4- Avoid unhealthy habits, like tobacco, alcohol and of course, METH!

I know that personal responsibility is not something that everyone likes to hear, but often times, health issues can be avoided by doing things that are good for yourself, rather than wonder why the government and your employer won't provide for your next burger bypass

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Most of the police and firefighters in California have a base salary of something like 70K, but they make over 100k through overtime.

Paying overtime doesn't increase health care costs or fixed costs like hiring more employees does.

[pphilfran]

There ya have it, The Skilled will be ok. its the Low skilled who will suffer.
which by the way is the very ones this crap is intended to HELP.

The market is flooded with non skilled workers and skilled workers looking for any non skill job..

[sappstuf]

The market is flooded with non skilled workers and skilled workers looking for any non skill job..

Yep... Why do you think people are posting threads thanking the oilies??? ;)

[badger]

The market is flooded with non skilled workers and skilled workers looking for any non skill job..

I hope you can see why it is necessary for amnesty for illegal immigrants! :P

[olevetonahill]

I hope you can see why it is necessary for amnesty for illegal immigrants! :P

Well yea we have to have some one fill these Nonskill jobs. Oh wait.

[pphilfran]

I hope you can see why it is necessary for amnesty for illegal immigrants! :P

Amnesty keeps things as is...

[Midtowner]

Oh it certainly will. With more people underemployed and working 2 jobs...

Own it.

We'll see whether folks are willing to accept that or just go on the dole, maybe go get social security disability for being something like a "slow learner." If employers want to really do this, we might see some changes in the health care law coming up. If things get really bad with employers abusing the system, maybe that'll be enough to spur the Dems on to big pickups in 2014. Maybe it was designed to do that all along.

[sappstuf]

We'll see whether folks are willing to accept that or just go on the dole, maybe go get social security disability for being something like a "slow learner." If employers want to really do this, we might see some changes in the health care law coming up. If things get really bad with employers abusing the system, maybe that'll be enough to spur the Dems on to big pickups in 2014. Maybe it was designed to do that all along.

The system is 100% what the Dems wrote and passed. That system is being followed, not abused. Remember "We have to pass the bill to findout what is in it."?

This is exactly what is in it.

[Midtowner]

Then they're playing chess while the pubs are playing checkers.

[olevetonahill]

Then they're playing chess while the pubs are playing checkers.

WTF?

[badger]

Then they're playing chess while the pubs are playing checkers.

As an ex-avid chess and checkers player, I can tell you that there are definite advantages to being able to jump over your opponent's pieces, which all but one chess piece cannot do. Plus, half the chess pieces mostly move one square at a time and are pinned if there's a piece in front of them.

Thus, I give the advantage to checkers.

And, if you disagree, then by all means, continue playing your racist game of "white moves first" :P

[Midtowner]

WTF?

The way the ACA is written, it sets the Dems up nicely for electoral success. The more these businesses screw people to avoid paying decent benefits, the more folks will want to vote to close those loopholes. The ACA practically gift wraps what will be very popular issues which the Dems will come out on top in. In the states, especially the close states, the govs who turned down the federal expansion of Medicaid cash are going to find themselves on the wrong side of this issue with a lot of voters.

And in the long run, we'll probably end up with single payer or a Canadian or Swiss style system because it's not a hard sale to the majority of the voters that this dysfunctional system can be improved.

[sappstuf]

Then they're playing chess while the pubs are playing checkers.

What a sec... Let us join this post with your previous one.


We'll see whether folks are willing to accept that or just go on the dole, maybe go get social security disability for being something like a "slow learner." If employers want to really do this, we might see some changes in the health care law coming up. If things get really bad with employers abusing the system, maybe that'll be enough to spur the Dems on to big pickups in 2014. Maybe it was designed to do that all along.

So you are serious proposing that the Dems pass Obamacare so that they would lose the House in historic fashion in 2010... So they would NOT gain much in the House or Senate in 2012.. All for the big payoff of the 2014 elections...

*** *** ****** ***** ** *** *******.

[sappstuf]

The way the ACA is written, it sets the Dems up nicely for electoral success. The more these businesses screw people to avoid paying decent benefits, the more folks will want to vote to close those loopholes. The ACA practically gift wraps what will be very popular issues which the Dems will come out on top in. In the states, especially the close states, the govs who turned down the federal expansion of Medicaid cash are going to find themselves on the wrong side of this issue with a lot of voters.

And in the long run, we'll probably end up with single payer or a Canadian or Swiss style system because it's not a hard sale to the majority of the voters that this dysfunctional system can be improved.

When the taxes start in 2014 and people start losing the insurance they were promised they could keep by Obama himself, prices that have already started to skyrocket.... That sets up the Dems for electoral success?

You sir are a ******* *****.

[sappstuf]

Here is Chuck Schumer admitting that insurance is going up partially because of Obamacare....

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Here is Obama's promises of lowering premiums by $2500 a year.

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All part of the master plan to win EVERYTHING in 2014!

[olevetonahill]

Here is Chuck Schumer admitting that insurance is going up partially because of Obamacare....

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Here is Obama's promises of lowering premiums by $2500 a year.

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All part of the master plan to win EVERYTHING in 2014!

Ya got to watch them Libs they be sneaky sombitches

[sappstuf]

Here is a Dem expressing serious concern about Obamacare:


"There is reason to be very concerned about what's going to happen with young people. If their (insurance) premiums shoot up, I can tell you, that is going to wash into the United States Senate in a hurry," said Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat.

The only correction that needs to be made is not "if" their insurance premiums shoot up, but "when".

Skyrocketing insurance rates during an election year??

All part of the master plan by the Dems to retake the House in 2014....

[cleller]

If things get really bad with employers abusing the system, maybe that'll be enough to spur the Dems on to big pickups in 2014. Maybe it was designed to do that all along.

So the Dems made the stupid law to wreck peoples lives all on purpose as a tactic. Ah, the Pee Wee Herman excuse. clever.

[badger]

Ah, the Pee Wee Herman excuse. clever.

If Dems love Obamacare so much why don't they marry it? :P

[BermudaSooner]

If things get really bad with employers abusing the system, maybe that'll be enough to spur the Dems on to big pickups in 2014. Maybe it was designed to do that all along.

Translate to: If those mean businesses would just stop acting in a rational manner and just exist so that they can pay wages, we wouldn't have to impose new rules on them to act differently than their own best interests.

[Soonerjeepman]

I just love stories with anonymous sources who don't come out and say that the 1,600 part timers were part time prior to the ACA's passage. Many of these workers will look elsewhere for employment. The market will straighten things out.

kind of like the NEW JOB GROWTH...lol

restaurants, bars, temp work...lol...they forget to add that yes 167K new jobs were added, BUT employers are now cutting employees hours then adding employees..therefor it really isn't working.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

We need to pass the bill to understand what's in the bill...

[badger]

We need to pass the bill to understand what's in the bill...

Many have already passed on it and still don't understand it!

ALTERNATE ENDING:

We already passed the damn bill! What else is there to understand?!

[OU_Sooners75]

I just love stories with anonymous sources who don't come out and say that the 1,600 part timers were part time prior to the ACA's passage. Many of these workers will look elsewhere for employment. The market will straighten things out.

I know you feel you are smart...but jeez, you are not the brightest bulb in the box!

All employers that have a substantial payroll (that number escapes me at this moment) must provide healthcare (in this case Obamacare) to all employees that work an average of 29+ hours per week.

This means, that most part time employees will have to be covered.

So one way to do away from the steep costs is to cut hours of part time employees to less than 29 hours.

This will do more harm than good.

Less hours worked means less money for the employees. Less pay means more of a struggle to live. Which means more people going to more welfare to offset the reduced hours.

Only the feeble minded would agree with how the ACA is written!