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BermudaSooner
4/24/2013, 09:00 AM
When will these clowns learn that smart business people build companies...not the gub'mt.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324874204578440640183079794.html?m od=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

Barring a last-minute rescue, Fisker is poised to become another DeLorean Motor Co. or Tucker Corp., a symbol of the difficulties of creating entirely new car companies. Unlike those others, it also represents one of the most prominent failures of the government's use of public funds to wean American industry from fossil fuels—and of how that government interest pushed Fisker to reach too far.

Originally, Fisker wanted to start small. But, says investor David Anderson, the U.S. asked it to think big. '"We can't loan you money to make a low volume car [in Finland],'" he said the U.S. argued. '"But if you wanted to bring forward in time your idea of the small car to be produced here in the U.S.,' then, they'd say 'OK,'" Mr. Anderson said.

A spokesperson for the Department of Energy declined to comment.

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Its biggest single investor was the U.S. In 2009, the Obama administration's interest in cultivating electric cars got the untested Fisker loans totalling $529 million, more than the company had initially requested, and an amount that encouraged private backers to chip in more funds. At one point, backers valued the company at $1.8 billion

The company had applied in 2009 for a $169 million loan from a $25 billion program set up in the wake of the financial crisis to boost alternative-energy vehicles. Energy Department officials recommended that if Fisker was willing to build in the U.S., the agency would fund the development of the Karma and the company's proposed second, less expensive model, according to people familiar with the matter

Whet
4/25/2013, 01:48 PM
They can make a nice pair of scissors, though.

cleller
4/25/2013, 05:23 PM
If you didn't like the US investing in GM and Chrysler, this must be even harder to swallow.

diverdog
4/25/2013, 07:11 PM
I have friends who have been on the financing side of this deal and it is really screwy. Wish I could say more.

pphilfran
4/26/2013, 08:13 AM
If you didn't like the US investing in GM and Chrysler, this must be even harder to swallow.**** Italian owned Chrysler

sappstuf
4/26/2013, 08:27 AM
**** Italian owned Chrysler

Obama wanted them to bring over the Fiat 500 as a condition of the deal. How is that working out?


Here’s how Chrysler fared in the first quarter of the year:

Total unit sales for the first quarter of 2013: 428,352
Total unit sales for the first quarter of 2012: 398,051
Percentage change: up 7.6 percent.

March 2013 total sales: 171,606
March 2012 total sales: 163,381
Year-over-year increase: 8,225, or 5 percent.

BEST SELLERS: Ram Pickup (33,831), Chrysler 200 (16,593) and Jeep Wrangler (12,901)
WORST SELLERS*: Jeep Liberty (1,408), Fiat 500 (3,807) and Jeep Compass (5,111)

Not well for them which should make you happy.. It is almost like Obama is out of touch with what Americans want.

pphilfran
4/26/2013, 08:38 AM
Obama wanted them to bring over the Fiat 500 as a condition of the deal. How is that working out?



Not well for them which should make you happy.. It is almost like Obama is out of touch with what Americans want.

Part of the deal for Chrysler was to put out a car that got 40 mpg highway...when they achieved that goal they would have an opportunity to up their stake in the company...too bad that the Fiat 500 did not initially achieve the 40 mpg so they brought out the Dart with it's 40 mpg....and then Fiat was allowed to up their stake in the company...

pphilfran
4/26/2013, 08:39 AM
Obama wanted them to bring over the Fiat 500 as a condition of the deal. How is that working out?



Not well for them which should make you happy.. It is almost like Obama is out of touch with what Americans want.

Almost like Obama is out of touch with what Americans want? He doesn't have a clue...

sappstuf
4/27/2013, 08:40 AM
Almost like Obama is out of touch with what Americans want? He doesn't have a clue...

The private sector is doing fine...

TheHumanAlphabet
4/27/2013, 11:59 AM
I hate The Socialist and his money abusing policies.

bluedogok
4/27/2013, 12:13 PM
The Fiat boutique format with a very limited number of stores is never going to lead to huge sale numbers. Fiat and Alfa Romeo are meant to be a niche market and they have actually done pretty well considering how they are marketed in this country. I did part time work at the Lotus dealership in OKC in the 80's, in 1984 they led the nation in Lotus sales with something like 14 cars. Niche marketers view things differently, the fact that Chrysler is the mass market arm of Fiat helps their prospects of staying in the country unlike the last time for both Fiat and Alfa when they were alone in the country. Now they have a base from which to work from to spread the costs out with, the Fiat dealer in Austin is also a Chrysler dealership and all of the service/parts is handled out of the Chrysler dealership, sales is handled out of the Fiat storefront at The Domain.

I like the Fisker cars but at 100K they are just not a mass market car, I see more of the Lotus based Tesla cars around town than I do a Fisker (haven't seen as many of the Tesla Model S sedans). The dealer here in Denver (also has Cadillac and Volvo) has three of them in the showroom.

pphilfran
4/27/2013, 12:52 PM
The Fiat boutique format with a very limited number of stores is never going to lead to huge sale numbers. Fiat and Alfa Romeo are meant to be a niche market and they have actually done pretty well considering how they are marketed in this country. I did part time work at the Lotus dealership in OKC in the 80's, in 1984 they led the nation in Lotus sales with something like 14 cars. Niche marketers view things differently, the fact that Chrysler is the mass market arm of Fiat helps their prospects of staying in the country unlike the last time for both Fiat and Alfa when they were alone in the country. Now they have a base from which to work from to spread the costs out with, the Fiat dealer in Austin is also a Chrysler dealership and all of the service/parts is handled out of the Chrysler dealership, sales is handled out of the Fiat storefront at The Domain.

I like the Fisker cars but at 100K they are just not a mass market car, I see more of the Lotus based Tesla cars around town than I do a Fisker (haven't seen as many of the Tesla Model S sedans). The dealer here in Denver (also has Cadillac and Volvo) has three of them in the showroom.

Fiat got a woody at the thought of a ready made dealer network for their cars...