CISPA

[SicEmBaylor]

CISPA just passed the House 288-127. Only 29 Republicans voted 'nay'. And some of you still wonder why I say Republicans are no better than Democrats....I guess Big Brother is okay so long as Republicans approve of it. :eyeroll:

[Bourbon St Sooner]

CISPA? A scooter made in Colombia?

[SicEmBaylor]

Not quite.

The sad thing is that legislation like CISPA represent a greater threat to our liberty than big-ticket legislation like the gun bill because legislation like CISPA goes relatively unnoticed. And, yet, CISPA and legislation just like it is like death by a 1,000 cuts.

The NDAA is another great example of this.

[StoopTroup]

Caymen Island Society of Professional Accountants? :D

[olevetonahill]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_Protection_Act

[rock on sooner]

Vet comes through once more!

[rock on sooner]

Not quite.

The sad thing is that legislation like CISPA represent a greater threat to our liberty than big-ticket legislation like the gun bill because legislation like CISPA goes relatively unnoticed. And, yet, CISPA and legislation just like it is like death by a 1,000 cuts.

The NDAA is another great example of this.

Are you advocating no oversight? While I agree that the gov't
sticks its nose in a lot of places it shouldn't, seems to me that
some oversight would be prudent.

[StoopTroup]

He's like the Alternate Universes Matlock.

[SicEmBaylor]

Are you advocating no oversight? While I agree that the gov't
sticks its nose in a lot of places it shouldn't, seems to me that
some oversight would be prudent.
I advocate no oversight on virtually every issue especially this one.

[rock on sooner]

He's like the Alternate Universes Matlock.

It's really part of a master plan...see ima gonna plug each of you
into a particular cubby hole...then once I got y'all there then ima
releasin rabid white mice, genetically altered to understand and
attack, fatally, rightwingers. Once done, well, you get my drift?:biggrin:

I caint whup ya so ima feedin and creatin a monster so freakin big
it'll scare you pups back ta yo mama's...:sneakiness:

[olevetonahill]

It's really part of a master plan...see ima gonna plug each of you
into a particular cubby hole...then once I got y'all there then ima
releasin rabid white mice, genetically altered to understand and
attack, fatally, rightwingers. Once done, well, you get my drift?:biggrin:

I caint whup ya so ima feedin and creatin a monster so freakin big
it'll scare you pups back ta yo mama's...:sneakiness:

I aint Skeered
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThcmQ4WhbWp-7XOVgFoOk_r50i8NN7nWli7N2AtGhwNnTdyYOgDA

[rock on sooner]

I aint Skeered
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThcmQ4WhbWp-7XOVgFoOk_r50i8NN7nWli7N2AtGhwNnTdyYOgDA

That aint no white mouse...see, where youre standing that mouse
can reach....:devilish:

[Midtowner]

He's like the Alternate Universes Matlock.

I agree with Sic'Em. The 4th Amendment is basically irrelevant--moreso since we're moving towards cloud computing.

[yermom]

anything the ACLU is behind is probably socialism

[Midtowner]

When myself, Sic'Em and the ACLU agree on something, it's probably a bad idea.

[yermom]

what are you hiding?

[SicEmBaylor]

When myself, Sic'Em and the ACLU agree on something, it's probably a bad idea.
Word.

what are you hiding?
Sadly, I used to actually believe that like of reasoning in cases like this.

[MR2-Sooner86]

Republicans never met a police state law they didn't like.

[Midtowner]

Republicans never met a police state law they didn't like.

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[yermom]

Republicans never met a police state law they didn't like.

finally some bipartisan cooperation!

[SoonerBBall]

I'm glad that everyone with half a brain realizes this is a terrible law, on par with the Patriot Act in its terribleness.

[TAFBSooner]

what are you hiding?

That makes two private citizens that think that way - you and Mark Zuckerberg. I want to keep my private life private, thank you very much.

[yermom]

That makes two private citizens that think that way - you and Mark Zuckerberg. I want to keep my private life private, thank you very much.

or all the dumbasses on this board that had no problem with the Patriot Act under W

[TAFBSooner]

or all the dumbasses on this board that had no problem with the Patriot Act under W

Sort of the mirror images of the Democrats who did rant against Bush the Lesser growing the imperial presidency, and now cheer on Obama for expanding it some (is there a strike-out format?) a lot more.

[yermom]

they are all in it for themselves in Washington. this is what the 2 party system gives us.

[jkjsooner]

Just curious, do you guys think this is a constitutional issue or just a liberterian issue?

Does this compel the technology companies to provide information without a warrant or just allow them to do so? From what I read it sounds like the latter.

I don't want Google monitoring my data and sharing it with the government but some libertarians may argue that forbidding them from doing so is invading on their rights to their own data. Afterall, nobody is forcing you to use Google and you're free to choose a search provider who promises not to share information without a warrant..

This isn't my opinion but I've heard libertarians argue corporate rights over individual rights before (see civil rights laws) so one could take this argument in that direction here.

[SicEmBaylor]

Just curious, do you guys think this is a constitutional issue or just a liberterian issue?

Does this compel the technology companies to provide information without a warrant or just allow them to do so? From what I read it sounds like the latter.

I don't want Google monitoring my data and sharing it with the government but some libertarians may argue that forbidding them from doing so is invading on their rights to their own data. Afterall, nobody is forcing you to use Google and you're free to choose a search provider who promises not to share information without a warrant..

This isn't my opinion but I've heard libertarians argue corporate rights over individual rights before (see civil rights laws) so one could take this argument in that direction here.

This is a fair question. I believe it's a constitutional issue (which in turn makes it a libertarian issue, imo). The bill allows data companies to give information to Federal agencies without a warrant. While I agree that data companies should have the right to share the information with other companies so long as it is clearly stated in their TOS, I do not believe they should have the right to share that data anytime they want with government agencies unless there is a warrant.

[SicEmBaylor]

Republicans never met a police state law they didn't like.

Correct. The Republican Party doesn't give a flying **** about personal privacy rights or curtailing the police state. They've grown the police state in ways that would make even hardcore fascists smile with pride.

[FaninAma]

what are you hiding?
I've actually found myself in agreement with them more and more recently. They have seemed to have changed course away from persecuting small local entities for petty crap and seem to be focusing more and more on the big stuff the federal gvernment is doing.

[FaninAma]

Correct. The Republican Party doesn't give a flying **** about personal privacy rights or curtailing the police state. They've grown the police state in ways that would make even hardcore fascists smile with pride.
It started with the original Republican.

[Midtowner]

Sort of the mirror images of the Democrats who did rant against Bush the Lesser growing the imperial presidency, and now cheer on Obama for expanding it some (is there a strike-out format?) a lot more.

I'm not cheering. This is unconscionable. It is essentially a statement that at least where the internet is concerned, there will be no privacy rights. I can't imagine the founders being okay with this.

[rock on sooner]

I'm not cheering. This is unconscionable. It is essentially a statement that at least where the internet is concerned, there will be no privacy rights. I can't imagine the founders being okay with this.

I'm guessing that the ACLU is forming a war room now. I agree, Mid,
founders and a lot of other people...not sure of the reasoning unless
the same mentality that W used somehow wormed its way in....

[TAFBSooner]

I'm guessing that the ACLU is forming a war room now. I agree, Mid,
founders and a lot of other people...not sure of the reasoning unless
the same mentality that W used somehow BOUGHT its way in....

FIFY

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-20/jpmorgan-employees-join-goldman-sachs-among-top-obama-donors.html

[KantoSooner]

I'm not sure the act itself is such a big deal. It seems like laziness more than anything else as it essentially just legally covers the companies to share what's in their databases....rather than obliging the NSA and others to simply steal it. It just makes domestic intelligence gathering easier rather than enabling it in the first place.
So NSA will have to go back to breaching and copying the old fashioned way rather than asking and receiving.
At least if they do, what they're looking for will remain less well known.

[TAFBSooner]

I'm not sure the act itself is such a big deal. It seems like laziness more than anything else as it essentially just legally covers the companies to share what's in their databases....rather than obliging the NSA and others to simply steal it. It just makes domestic intelligence gathering easier rather than enabling it in the first place.
So NSA will have to go back to breaching and copying the old fashioned way rather than asking and receiving.
At least if they do, what they're looking for will remain less well known.

Incrementalism is the go-to play of the Authoritarian/Imperial playbook, or something like that.

[Midtowner]

I'm not sure the act itself is such a big deal. It seems like laziness more than anything else as it essentially just legally covers the companies to share what's in their databases....rather than obliging the NSA and others to simply steal it. It just makes domestic intelligence gathering easier rather than enabling it in the first place.

It is a big deal because it says that even an agreement between a private person and a company that records would be confidential would be null and void and that the government could perform warrantless searches of that material without even reasonable suspicion. No doubt, our intelligence and law enforcement folks see this as closing a loop hole in the Patriot Act.

This is one reason I use a POP3 Account for all attorney-client communications.