Texas as a blue state? Let's discuss

[badger]

Here's an ABC news story as background (http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/democrats-texas-future-blue-state/story?id=18599462#.UW2Kt2fnfTo). This idea made its rounds yesterday (and linked on drudge of course) as it seems like a good Democratic strategy moving forward. Texas is a big state with an expanding population whose diversity suggests that its politics could be swayed to the left with time, resources and money.

What I would like to discuss with you all (especially those in Texas or those who spend, or have spent, a lot of time in Texas) is:

1- Rick Perry is a moron that is a disservice to Republicans everywhere.

Would Texans unelect him, even if the alternative was a *gasp* Democrat?

2- Hispanic Texans are currently both Republicans and Democrats.

What steps must Republicans and Democats take to ensure that Texas' expanding Hispanic population is not the opposite party's stronghold, or at least as divided and up for grabs as white voters?

3- Blue states in the South are not really blue states.

Oklahoma had a Democratic governor and Lt. Gov. till 2012. Oklahoma had Democratic majorities in the House and Senate until the early aughts. But, nobody ever accused them of being blue states. Why is that? Would Texas as a blue state ever support a national candidate like Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton... ?

[achiro]

I haven't read the article but if the Californians keep moving to Texas they could turn into another CO pretty easily down the road.

[rock on sooner]

Unless and until they can get a handle on gerrymandering, Texas will stay red.
If the state would adopt redistricting like Iowa has, then the influx/growth of
Hispanics and out of state Libs like those from Cali could make a difference.
Now, the sanity of the Texas voters is a whole 'nother country! Bushes and
Perrys in Austin, Cruz in the U.S. Senate now, with the history of Phil Gramm,
Charlie Armey and the guy that's in prison now (name escapes me) for influence
peddling makes for a tough row to hoe for Dems.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

We are already electorally phukced. If tx goes legit blue, that will further solidify socialism and statism in America.

[SicEmBaylor]

Texas becoming a blue state is what happens when you let immigrants cross our borders, legal or otherwise.

[Soonerjeepman]

dems USE to be farmers and the workers....good hard working, God "fearing", conservative people....

not so much now. Crazy...

I would venture to say the dems policy is to get all the poor uneducated minorities out to vote their ticket...as obama proved this past election it worked. As the percentage of those who do not work but rely TOTALLY (we all get some help - milk for one) on the government us folks that do work are phucked.

[FaninAma]

Rick Perry is not a moron. I assume you consider Obama a genius because he comes off as a person capable of speaking glibbly while reading off a teleprompter. Perry is a genius. He is insuring that Texas will not be overran by lazy people of all races by planni g social legislation that makes it tough to subsist on welfare handouts alone. If your goal is to be a leach on society then go to NY, California or some other deep blue state.

Texas is not going blue any time soon. That is a liberal wet dream. The hispanics in Texas are a different breed than those in California and elsewhere. They are more socially conservative and believe in hard work. My entire office staff in Amarillo was hispanic and they despised the illegal immigrants who come here to hook into the social welfare system.

[FaninAma]

Unless and until they can get a handle on gerrymandering, Texas will stay red.
If the state would adopt redistricting like Iowa has, then the influx/growth of
Hispanics and out of state Libs like those from Cali could make a difference.
Now, the sanity of the Texas voters is a whole 'nother country! Bushes and
Perrys in Austin, Cruz in the U.S. Senate now, with the history of Phil Gramm,
Charlie Armey and the guy that's in prison now (name escapes me) for influence
peddling makes for a tough row to hoe for Dems.

I suppose you prefer the ****ed up economies the liberal politicians in NY, California, and Illinois and have managed to produce. God, sometimes your ignorance suprises even me.

[rock on sooner]

Texas becoming a blue state is what happens when you let immigrants cross our borders, legal or otherwise.

Sicem, I understand where you're coming from. Since we are ALL immigrants
and are safely here, let's close all the borders so we can keep our bloodlines
pure.:biggrin:

Reminds me of the early to mid '80's when I was living in Colorado, just before
the West Coast (Cali, mostly) started to invade the Rockies. There was more
than casual talk about restricting out of state movement, especially those idjits
in and around Boulder. Talk in the bars and parties was, we're here and happy!
Let's keep all the others out!!:triumphant:

[FaninAma]

Sicem, I understand where you're coming from. Since we are ALL immigrants
and are safely here, let's close all the borders so we can keep our bloodlines
pure.:biggrin:

Reminds me of the early to mid '80's when I was living in Colorado, just before
the West Coast (Cali, mostly) started to invade the Rockies. There was more
than casual talk about restricting out of state movement, especially those idjits
in and around Boulder. Talk in the bars and parties was, we're here and happy!
Let's keep all the others out!!:triumphant:
Dumbass, try just walking into any other country, including Mexico, and attempting to stay there without proper authorization and documentation and see what happens to your stupid ***. Damn but you are being extra stupid today.

[Soonerjeepman]

Sicem, I understand where you're coming from. Since we are ALL immigrants
and are safely here, let's close all the borders so we can keep our bloodlines
pure.:biggrin:

Reminds me of the early to mid '80's when I was living in Colorado, just before
the West Coast (Cali, mostly) started to invade the Rockies. There was more
than casual talk about restricting out of state movement, especially those idjits
in and around Boulder. Talk in the bars and parties was, we're here and happy!
Let's keep all the others out!!:triumphant:

interesting...comparing moving from state to state within a country BY IT'S LEGAL citizens to illegals...ummm...ok.

[KantoSooner]

Fanin, I am not disagreeing with or even addressing your points, but when you say that Rick Perry is a genius, well, then you've gone a step too far. My God! The man only ocassionally says things that are grammatically organized in ways generally accepted as 'standard' in the English language. More ocaissionally, he does so when pronouncing the individual words in a comprehensible manner. And, in a very rare event, the ideas represented by those grammatically organized words actually make sense.

The rest of the time you could do better by trying to dicipher the vocalizations of an orangutan being taunted with a banana held just out of reach.

That he was elected in Texas is a cogent argument for denying the vote to Texans in perpetuity.

[Soonerjeepman]

The man only ocassionally says things that are grammatically organized in ways generally accepted as 'standard' in the English language. .

sounds like my principal...lol. I'm HORRIBLE at grammar and I EVEN notice when she screws up, which quite a bit of the time.

*never have listened much to Perry so I have no dog in this fight

[badger]

Rick Perry is not a moron. I assume you consider Obama a genius because he comes off as a person capable of speaking glibbly while reading off a teleprompter. Perry is a genius.

No, Perry is a moron. He went from Republican frontrunner to moron in only one state (caucus, not even an actual primary). Plus, he's an Aggie Yell Leader. I don't care much for Pander Bear Obama, but I can't look at or listen to Perry without thinking "What a moron." If you like him, more power to you. Texas keeps electing him, so more power to him as well.


Reminds me of the early to mid '80's when I was living in Colorado, just before
the West Coast (Cali, mostly) started to invade the Rockies. There was more
than casual talk about restricting out of state movement, especially those idjits
in and around Boulder. Talk in the bars and parties was, we're here and happy!
Let's keep all the others out!!
Fair is fair --- didn't California try to keep Dust Bowlers out so that they'd have all the jobs, sunshine and shoreline to themselves at one point?

[rock on sooner]

No, Perry is a moron. He went from Republican frontrunner to moron in only one state (caucus, not even an actual primary). Plus, he's an Aggie Yell Leader. I don't care much for Pander Bear Obama, but I can't look at or listen to Perry without thinking "What a moron." If you like him, more power to you. Texas keeps electing him, so more power to him as well.


Fair is fair --- didn't California try to keep Dust Bowlers out so that they'd have all the jobs, sunshine and shoreline to themselves at one point?

Those in Cali back then were responsible for the term "Okie"
being considered an insult.

[rock on sooner]

interesting...comparing moving from state to state within a country BY IT'S LEGAL citizens to illegals...ummm...ok.

Jeep, I'm certain that you've been around partiers who get carried away
with alcohol talk. I can remember the smirks and head shaking that went
on when the Boulderites started running off at the mouth....

[FaninAma]

Fanin, I am not disagreeing with or even addressing your points, but when you say that Rick Perry is a genius, well, then you've gone a step too far. My God! The man only ocassionally says things that are grammatically organized in ways generally accepted as 'standard' in the English language. More ocaissionally, he does so when pronouncing the individual words in a comprehensible manner. And, in a very rare event, the ideas represented by those grammatically organized words actually make sense.

The rest of the time you could do better by trying to dicipher the vocalizations of an orangutan being taunted with a banana held just out of reach.

That he was elected in Texas is a cogent argument for denying the vote to Texans in perpetuity.

I don't judge him by how he talks. I judge him by the actions he takes. His decision not to accept the bribe from the feds to sign onto the medicaid expansion was pure genius. Under his direction the Texas legislature underfunds social programs to the extent the feds allow them to. There are no additional perks for giveaways in Texas. If you are an illegal immigrant looking for all the handouts you can get then just keep on heading north(or west).

He has the overwhelming support of the physicians and business communities in Texas and he is hated by attorneys so I figure the man is doing something right. Additionally I hate political correctness and he is the most politically incorrect politician out there. And there is no love loss between Perry and the Bush family which is another huge plus in his favor.

[FaninAma]

No, Perry is a moron. He went from Republican frontrunner to moron in only one state (caucus, not even an actual primary). Plus, he's an Aggie Yell Leader. I don't care much for Pander Bear Obama, but I can't look at or listen to Perry without thinking "What a moron." If you like him, more power to you. Texas keeps electing him, so more power to him as well.


Fair is fair --- didn't California try to keep Dust Bowlers out so that they'd have all the jobs, sunshine and shoreline to themselves at one point?
Then keep supporting the same two-face politicians superficial types like you tend to support. Don't take the time to look beneath the surface of their polished fabricated public facade. ThT's why we are in the mess we are in today....style over substance.

[badger]

His decision not to accept the bribe from the feds to sign onto the medicaid expansion was pure genius.

Not to derail my own thread, and I'm not fond of Obamacare either, but the law states that if states don't setup their own exchange that the feds will do it for them. So, I'm not sure what, besides political grandstanding, is accomplished by not just getting it over with.


the same two-face politicians superficial types like you tend to support

While I admit that I voted for Romney, you don't have to keep rubbing it in! He seemed like a nice guy and a good family man and seemed to have a good track record of working with Republicans and Democrats!

[Soonerjeepman]

Jeep, I'm certain that you've been around partiers who get carried away
with alcohol talk. I can remember the smirks and head shaking that went
on when the Boulderites started running off at the mouth....

yes...thought your point was keeping our own country's citizens out of a fellow state vs illegals coming into the country..yes?

sure most Boulderites were stoned at the time~ it is a pretty town, brother just moved there.

[okie52]

Those in Cali back then were responsible for the term "Okie"
being considered an insult.

It still hurts.

[okie52]

Fair is fair --- didn't California try to keep Dust Bowlers out so that they'd have all the jobs, sunshine and shoreline to themselves at one point?

True, but they love those from south of the border.

[KantoSooner]

I don't judge him by how he talks. I judge him by the actions he takes. His decision not to accept the bribe from the feds to sign onto the medicaid expansion was pure genius. Under his direction the Texas legislature underfunds social programs to the extent the feds allow them to. There are no additional perks for giveaways in Texas. If you are an illegal immigrant looking for all the handouts you can get then just keep on heading north(or west).

He has the overwhelming support of the physicians and business communities in Texas and he is hated by attorneys so I figure the man is doing something right. Additionally I hate plotical correctness and he is the most politically uncorrect politician out there. And there is no love loss between Perry and the Bush family which is another huge plus in his favor.

I judge him by, among other things, his appearances in nationally televised debates. I presume that he took them seriously since he was running for president at the time; but maybe participating without really trying was a politically incorrect way to criticize the entire process? If so, then performing like a bored half-bright frat boy was a stroke of guerilla theatre genius. Show your contempt by showing up and acting like you'd never once conttemplated any of the questions put to you.

That the man got into, and more shockingly out of, Aggie-ville is a tribute to something; but not something very inspiring.

Quite seriously, listen to him opine on serious topics sometime. The few things he says that are evenly vaguely intelligent are so obviously accidental that even his face lights up like the village idiot when he hears them, with shock and surpirse, himself.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

...never have listened much to Perry so I have no dog in this fightHe believes in the ability of the Private Sector to produce economic results, and follows the constitution better than any libs. That's genius enough to make things work well enough.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I don't judge him by how he talks. I judge him by the actions he takes. His decision not to accept the bribe from the feds to sign onto the medicaid expansion was pure genius. Under his direction the Texas legislature underfunds social programs to the extent the feds allow them to. There are no additional perks for giveaways in Texas. If you are an illegal immigrant looking for all the handouts you can get then just keep on heading north(or west).

He has the overwhelming support of the physicians and business communities in Texas and he is hated by attorneys so I figure the man is doing something right. Additionally I hate plotical correctness and he is the most politically uncorrect politician out there. And there is no love loss between Perry and the Bush family which is another huge plus in his favor.These are not hard to see, understand or appreciate. Would that one single democrat be as good a governor as Perry.

[okie52]

Sicem, I understand where you're coming from. Since we are ALL immigrants
and are safely here, let's close all the borders so we can keep our bloodlines
pure.:biggrin:

Reminds me of the early to mid '80's when I was living in Colorado, just before
the West Coast (Cali, mostly) started to invade the Rockies. There was more
than casual talk about restricting out of state movement, especially those idjits
in and around Boulder. Talk in the bars and parties was, we're here and happy!
Let's keep all the others out!!:triumphant:

Are you an immigrant Rock on?

[rock on sooner]

yes...thought your point was keeping our own country's citizens out of a fellow state vs illegals coming into the country..yes?

sure most Boulderites were stoned at the time~ it is a pretty town, brother just moved there.

Actually the point was just a weak attempt at humor, 'cept about the
Boulderites...they did run their mouths..incessantly, but that was a
long time ago, maybe things are different now.

[FaninAma]

Texas produces a significant number of the new jobs created in this country. Texas has a budget surplus. Texas has one of the best state economies in the nation. There is a big influx of businesses into the state of Texas. Perry has been governor of Texas for over 6 years. I guess he deserves no credit for the success the state is having right now.

I guess your definition of what constitues a moron and mine are different.

[rock on sooner]

Are you an immigrant Rock on?

Well, I was born in OK but have traced my family heritage back to
Scottish royalty in the 1400's. I'm pretty sure that every poster
here has family that immigrated here so that's my point about
all of us being immigrants.

[FaninAma]

The most business savy person I have ever met and the richest man in the community I currently live in sounds like a freaking hillbilly when you talk to him. You would never guess he is a business genius. Again, judge people by their actions not their ability to turn a slick phrase and dazzle you with bull****.

[okie52]

Well, I was born in OK but have traced my family heritage back to
Scottish royalty in the 1400's. I'm pretty sure that every poster
here has family that immigrated here so that's my point about
all of us being immigrants.

That doesn't make us immigrants...it makes our ancestors immigrants. Hell, even the Native Americans immigrated from somewhere....probably a land bridge to Asia. Just about every country is a nation of immigrants.

We are granting over 1,000,000 people citizenship every year....hardly closing our borders.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Texas produces a significant number of the new jobs created in this country. Texas has a budget surplus. Texas has one of the best state economies in the nation. There is a big influx of businesses into the state of Texas. Perry has been governor of Texas for over 6 years. I guess he deserves no credit for the success the state is having right now.

I guess your definition of what constitutes a moron and mine are different.There are too many folks that prize slickness and stage presence, even in the presence of a friendly and compliant Media, above economic philosophy and even economic results. Yeah, I can't understand why that is, either.

[Soonerjeepman]

Well, I was born in OK but have traced my family heritage back to
Scottish royalty in the 1400's. I'm pretty sure that every poster
here has family that immigrated here so that's my point about
all of us being immigrants.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that probably 99.9% of us on this forum ancestors did it LEGALLY...big diff. USA is NOT CLOSING the borders...we just want folks doing it the RIGHT, LEGAL way. (maybe that needs to be adjusted but just granting 13 million isn't right...yes there are hoops to jump through but bottom line they are getting in)

[badger]

:( i have successfully derailed my own thread into whether or not perry is a moron.

Sooo... back on track pretty please? Texas a once and future blue state, or is their Democrat-ness behind them?

[rock on sooner]

That doesn't make us immigrants...it makes our ancestors immigrants. Hell, even the Native Americans immigrated from somewhere....probably a land bridge to Asia. Just about every country is a nation of immigrants.

We are granting over 1,000,000 people citizenship every year....hardly closing our borders.

I heard on TV that we deport something like 1400 a day, not sure if that's
correct or not.

[okie52]

I heard on TV that we deport something like 1400 a day, not sure if that's
correct or not.

That would be 511,000 a year. Obama at his peak was getting over 400,000 until 3 years ago when he cut it back. Now he only deports criminals so it would be hard for us to have anywhere close to that number.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I heard on TV that we deport something like 1400 a day, not sure if that's
correct or not.
So, you believe the govt. is acting in good faith to uphold the Constitution, and do its best to provide a framework for economic betterment here in the USA, and to perform its duty as defender and protectors of America(US military)? Suuuuuure ya do...

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Texas isn't going blue anytime soon. The culture in Texas is completely different from California and New York. The people moving there from California aren't the libs, save for a few moving to the Austin area. The people moving there are moving there to work not looking for a handout.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Texas isn't going blue anytime soon. The culture in Texas is completely different from California and New York. The people moving there from California aren't the libs, save for a few moving to the Austin area. The people moving there are moving there to work not looking for a handout.Good news! I hope you're correct!

[rock on sooner]

I agree that Texas will stay red for years to come. As I said earlier in this thread,
and much to Fanima's chagrin, if the redistricting approach changes and accurately
reflects the 2020 census, then it COULD happen.

[SicEmBaylor]

Sicem, I understand where you're coming from. Since we are ALL immigrants
and are safely here, let's close all the borders so we can keep our bloodlines
pure.:biggrin:

Reminds me of the early to mid '80's when I was living in Colorado, just before
the West Coast (Cali, mostly) started to invade the Rockies. There was more
than casual talk about restricting out of state movement, especially those idjits
in and around Boulder. Talk in the bars and parties was, we're here and happy!
Let's keep all the others out!!:triumphant:

No. We're not all immigrants. We're colonists -- there is a difference.
To quote Matt Damon in 'The Good Shepherd', "My people are Americans -- the res tof you are just visiting."

There is a big big difference between the influx of European immigrants in the late 19th/early 20th century and modern day Hispanics crossing the Rio Grande. They're poor unskilled labor who are bringing their 3rd world ideas, beliefs, and customs to a thriving modern 1st world state that could easily be its own vibrant and successful nation. They are going to slowly turn Texas into a third world country and immigrants in general are gradually diluting traditional American customs and beliefs.

Having said that about Hispanics, I oppose immigrants from EVERY nation. I don't care if they're Anglo-Saxon, French, Indian, Vietnamese, or Mexican.

[rock on sooner]

No. We're not all immigrants. We're colonists -- there is a difference.
To quote Matt Damon in 'The Good Shepherd', "My people are Americans -- the res tof you are just visiting."

There is a big big difference between the influx of European immigrants in the late 19th/early 20th century and modern day Hispanics crossing the Rio Grande. They're poor unskilled labor who are bringing their 3rd world ideas, beliefs, and customs to a thriving modern 1st world state that could easily be its own vibrant and successful nation. They are going to slowly turn Texas into a third world country and immigrants in general are gradually diluting traditional American customs and beliefs.

Having said that about Hispanics, I oppose immigrants from EVERY nation. I don't care if they're Anglo-Saxon, French, Indian, Vietnamese, or Mexican.

Welp, I disagree with most of what you said 'cept the part about Texas becoming
a third world country...we can only hope!:devilish:

[bluedogok]

Texas isn't going blue anytime soon. The culture in Texas is completely different from California and New York. The people moving there from California aren't the libs, save for a few moving to the Austin area. The people moving there are moving there to work not looking for a handout.
Texas could "go blue" because the urban areas are where the growth is, just look at a county by county red/blue map. The major metro areas (Dallas/Tarrant, Harris, Travis, Bexar Counties) vote blue along with the Valley, that is where most of the population growth is occurring much faster than the suburban/rural areas. Many of those new residents are coming from "more liberal" places like California and back east because of the economy in Texas but they tend to forget why the economies in the states they moved from are faltering when they used to be THE economic engines of the country. What the last two elections have shown is the red/blue divide is not between states, it's between the urban areas and the suburban/rural areas and it is just going to get worse as the cities grow. That is what swung a traditionally conservative state in Colorado from red to blue. The urban voters overwhelmed the suburban/rural voters. The Republican primary process is killing Republican chances in national elections, you have to be far right to win many of the primaries and by the time you get to the general election you are branded too far right for the middle to vote your way.

Texas has almost always been a Democrat state having only had 5 Republican Governors since 1847 (Elisha M. Pease was Governor under the Unionist party/1853-1857, later as a Republican/1867-1869). There have also been 1 Independent and 1 Military party governor, all the rest (37 out of 47) have been Democrat. From 1874 until Bill Clements was took office in 1979 they were all Democrat.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

a) ...What the last two elections have shown is the red/blue divide is not between states, it's between the urban areas and the suburban/rural areas and it is just going to get worse as the cities grow. That is what swung a traditionally conservative state in Colorado from red to blue. The urban voters overwhelmed the suburban/rural voters.

b)The Republican primary process is killing Republican chances in national elections, you have to be far right to win many of the primaries and by the time you get to the general election you are branded too far right for the middle to vote your way...
a)agreed the cities are where the entitlement mentality thrives the most.

b)the Media in conjunction with the democrats' machine are the big culprit in this. For example, look at what the MSM did to Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, and even the centrist Romney.

As long as the illegals are allowed to stay, and vote of course, we are prolly doomed to authoritarianism socialism.

[olevetonahill]

If and when Saxet goes Blue This country will have ceased to exist as we know it.

[cleller]

Texas will be the first blue state where everyone has a gun, and headless corpses are dumped in the street. What a trend.

[Midtowner]

b)the Media in conjunction with the democrats' machine are the big culprit in this. For example, look at what the MSM did to Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, and even the centrist Romney.


Cain was a serial sexual assaulter, and this:

KAGGpK7bSWc

Santorum was a faarrrr right wing kook and was less viable than Romney.

Bachmann is a total and complete moron.

The right man won the primary. Trouble is, he had to be etch-a-sketch to get through it and made unfortunate remarks about the 47%.

[olevetonahill]

Cain was a serial sexual assaulter, and this:

KAGGpK7bSWc

Santorum was a faarrrr right wing kook and was less viable than Romney.

Bachmann is a total and complete moron.

The right man won the primary. Trouble is, he had to be etch-a-sketch to get through it and made unfortunate remarks about the 47%.

Oh boy, Did you forget how many states yer boy obammy campaigned in?
They all make mistakes when they are going that hard in a campaign.

[SicEmBaylor]

Cain was a serial sexual assaulter, and this:

KAGGpK7bSWc

Santorum was a faarrrr right wing kook and was less viable than Romney.

Bachmann is a total and complete moron.

The right man won the primary. Trouble is, he had to be etch-a-sketch to get through it and made unfortunate remarks about the 47%.

Santorum is a lunatic and always has been.

[Midtowner]

Oh boy, Did you forget how many states yer boy obammy campaigned in?
They all make mistakes when they are going that hard in a campaign.

A simple gaffe is one thing. Obama knows we have 50 states. Sexual assault is another thing. So is Moonbattery. So is trash talking a group of voters you depend on to win.

[olevetonahill]

A simple gaffe is one thing. Obama knows we have 50 states. Sexual assault is another thing. So is Moonbattery. So is trash talking a group of voters you depend on to win.

What ever you say Einstein. I say they all make a slip and you just wanta slam the ones you dont agree with. You go girl.

[badger]

What ever you say Einstein. I say they all make a slip and you just wanta slam the ones you dont agree with. You go girl.

I agree that everyone slips. Therefore, I apologize for calling Rick Perry a moron, realizing that it may have upset those of you like him. I'm not taking back what I said, but I apologize for typing it out loud.

Now... on this topic of red states turning blue, what will cause a political shift back to Republicans nationally, and will it make a difference in urban areas nationwide (Texas and otherwise) as well? Or, are staunch Democrats just as stubborn as staunch Republicans :D

[Soonerjeepman]

the reality of aca and other obama things really start hitting it MIGHT change. I'm sure the dem political media machine will blame the pubs for it all and make sure the ignorant voters know this. (Not you libs, but the ones that voted for obama because he is half black).

The district sent out an email about insurance and how aca is going to have changes, coverage may be different, etc. Course not slamming it just saying expect changes.

[KantoSooner]

Santorum is a lunatic and always has been.

Truer words are unlikely to ever be spoken.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Now... on this topic of red states turning blue, what will cause a political shift back to Republicans nationally, and will it make a difference in urban areas nationwide (Texas and otherwise) as well? Or, are staunch Democrats just as stubborn as staunch Republicans :DThe Left is determined and they have government, the Media, the Entertainment industry and the Public Schools.

The bottom line in tx and everywhere is how many are relying on government checks for their living. 51% of the voters means likelihood of national economic doom.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Truer words are unlikely to ever be spoken.Are you still a fan of socialized medicine?

[KantoSooner]

Yes. It would have solved the Santorum problem. Instead of running for national office, he would have been committed as a late teen and never heard from again.

Slightly less flippant answer: it may be part or the totality of the solution to our present craptastic medical care 'system'. Read Brill's brilliant (I couldn't ressist) Time article (2/26 edition). We don't have a 'free market' in medical care, so purely free market solutions (which, you might be surprised to learn, I favor) are not likely to do anything other than produce the same bs we see today.

[SoonerAtKU]

There is a big big difference between the influx of European immigrants in the late 17th to early 19th century and modern day Irish crossing the ocean. They're poor unskilled labor who are bringing their 3rd world ideas, beliefs, and customs to a thriving modern 1st world state that could easily be its own vibrant and successful nation. They are going to slowly turn America into a third world country and immigrants in general are gradually diluting traditional American customs and beliefs.

Updated for historical context


Having said that about Hispanics, I oppose immigrants from EVERY nation. I don't care if they're Anglo-Saxon, French, Indian, Vietnamese, or Mexican.

The hell you don't.

I will give you this, every person who moves somewhere great thinks they should be the last person to move there. That's true of Colorado, California, America in general, or anywhere else you can think of worth moving.

[Midtowner]

Slightly less flippant answer: it may be part or the totality of the solution to our present craptastic medical care 'system'. Read Brill's brilliant (I couldn't ressist) Time article (2/26 edition). We don't have a 'free market' in medical care, so purely free market solutions (which, you might be surprised to learn, I favor) are not likely to do anything other than produce the same bs we see today.

Right. We didn't have a free market to begin with. Medicare and Medicaid dictate the price for some products while private insurance gets taken to the cleaners often enough. At the same time, consumers are faced with a situation where they must make huge purchases without any opportunity to compare costs between providers.

Free market, my ***.

[Midtowner]

Updated for historical context

The hell you don't.

I will give you this, every person who moves somewhere great thinks they should be the last person to move there. That's true of Colorado, California, America in general, or anywhere else you can think of worth moving.

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[FaninAma]

The cities of Texas are not where the population growth is taking place...it is the suburbs like Flower Mound, Allen, etc. do a demographics search on these areas and check out what their demographics are. Texas will not turn blue for the next 3 decades. I doubt our country as we know it lasts that long.

[FaninAma]

I agree that Texas will stay red for years to come. As I said earlier in this thread,
and much to Fanima's chagrin, if the redistricting approach changes and accurately
reflects the 2020 census, then it COULD happen.
No it won't. The suburbs are where the growth is taking place. Texas voters went more red in 2012 in every state wide election than they did in 2008. Talking out of your *** is no substitute for actual facts.

[C&CDean]

No it won't. The suburbs are where the growth is taking place. Texas voters went more red in 2012 in every state wide election than they did in 2008. Talking out of your *** is no substitute for actual facts.

Steve, he's a garden-variety liberal. Talking out of their asses is what they do best.

[rock on sooner]

No it won't. The suburbs are where the growth is taking place. Texas voters went more red in 2012 in every state wide election than they did in 2008. Talking out of your *** is no substitute for actual facts.

I bow to the smart *** know it all...you folks on the right know everything
and, if no one believes it, just ask and you'll let us know.

[rock on sooner]

Dean, I have spent a lot of time thinking about whether or not to respond to
you, the administrator, openly. I have decided to point out how childish and small
minded you are. A few days ago, I peemed you and asked if you always busted
somebody's chops. Your response was, "Yeah, pretty much." All of a sudden my
"reputation" turned from green to red. 382000+ points green to the same number
red. Several month ago, I pointed out to you openly about how you slammed some-
thing MamaMia said. She peemed me, thanking me for support and went on to say
that you have always been mean spirited and "that" way.

Mean spirited is a good description Using your being an administrator as a tool to
affect a board poster that disagrees with you is just being a bully.

Good chance this post will be deleted or blocked and I'll get banned, since you are
an administrator. So be it. I'll get my Sooner info elsewhere. Boomer Sooner.

[olevetonahill]

I bow to the smart *** know it all...you folks on the right know everything
and, if no one believes it, just ask and you'll let us know.

Bout Dayum time.:tongue:

[badger]

Dean, I have spent a lot of time thinking about whether or not to respond to
you, the administrator, openly. I have decided to point out how childish and small
minded you are. A few days ago, I peemed you and asked if you always busted
somebody's chops. Your response was, "Yeah, pretty much." All of a sudden my
"reputation" turned from green to red. 382000+ points green to the same number
red. Several month ago, I pointed out to you openly about how you slammed some-
thing MamaMia said. She peemed me, thanking me for support and went on to say
that you have always been mean spirited and "that" way.

Don't be bothered by spek. At least it isn't orange anymore. Now it's just crimson. Boomer Sooner, amirite? :)

Also, don't be bothered by those who disagree or insult you on the Internet. It's not worth getting worked up over. I'd say the same thing about politics in general (they are not worth getting worked up over) because people are always going to disagree with you in politics. People are going to insult you if they disagree with you in politics. And yes, "mean spirited" comes to mind in politics as it does with the Internet.

Chin up, message boarder. It's just the Internet/politics. Get over it, move on, and lighten up. If you're one for three on that last sentence, that's good enough.

[rock on sooner]

I used to try to laugh and move on but the disagreements turned to insults
and absolute refusal to have intelligent discussions, so the fun and humor
left the scene.

[olevetonahill]

I used to try to laugh and move on but the disagreements turned to insults
and absolute refusal to have intelligent discussions, so the fun and humor
left the scene.

i still make fun of you.

[rock on sooner]

i still make fun of you.

You do it in a way that makes it hard not to laugh. It's a gift!

[olevetonahill]

You do it in a way that makes it hard not to laugh. It's a gift!

Ya might Orta tell ole matlock about that HUMOR thing. :excitement:

[C&CDean]

Dean, I have spent a lot of time thinking about whether or not to respond to
you, the administrator, openly. I have decided to point out how childish and small
minded you are. A few days ago, I peemed you and asked if you always busted
somebody's chops. Your response was, "Yeah, pretty much." All of a sudden my
"reputation" turned from green to red. 382000+ points green to the same number
red. Several month ago, I pointed out to you openly about how you slammed some-
thing MamaMia said. She peemed me, thanking me for support and went on to say
that you have always been mean spirited and "that" way.

Mean spirited is a good description Using your being an administrator as a tool to
affect a board poster that disagrees with you is just being a bully.

Good chance this post will be deleted or blocked and I'll get banned, since you are
an administrator. So be it. I'll get my Sooner info elsewhere. Boomer Sooner.

Spare me the drama.

FWIW, I think pretty much all liberals are ****ing retarded morons. I just can't begin to fathom what ****ed up thing in their brain makes them think/act/speak the ridiculous horse**** they do. Especially liberals who are over say...40? By 40 you oughta be smart enough to realize the liberal mindset is nothing short of mental retardation.

As for spek, well I pretty much never spek folks either way - unless there's something profoundly amusing/intelligent/stupid going on. If your spek went south that one's on you.

Me and mamamia had an understanding. Lots of history you know nothing about. You bringing up something like that about her/me is pretty lame. She is somewhat correct in the mean-spirited thing. I prefer to just say I'm crass and opinionated and if you don't like it then eff the eff off.

Finally, I don't ban people for the most part. You've really gotta be a ****tard for me to give you the boot. Whining about me being a meany/bully ain't enough. Besides, those who know me know that I'm just a big teddy bear. A curmudgeonly, crusty, critical, hard teddy bear, but a teddy bear none the less.

[badger]

I used to try to laugh and move on but the disagreements turned to insults
and absolute refusal to have intelligent discussions, so the fun and humor
left the scene.

I promise if you insult me, I won't take offense to it. I'll even spell it "offence" to make myself look like a foreign intellectual :P

I'm the perfect target: Female Republican! Who sometimes votes Democrat! Who's never fired a gun! Who originated from a northern state, so probably really isn't a Republican (except in the way she usually votes)! I'm such a poser fake wannabe nothing that doesn't conform to any ****ing stereotype! There's so much to work with there!

But sadly, I just insulted myself, so it's no longer hipster-cool, just copycat-cool, which isn't really that cool at all.

And if Texas turns blue, it won't be because of MORONMORONMORON Rick Perry, but rather, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that prevents them from rigging the districts like states without racist histories do all the time, based of political majorities :P

[KantoSooner]

"Crusty Teddy Bear" is an awesome concept.

Hell, it might even be the name for a new punk band. I'm thinking a hard edged, yet cutesy Taiwanese all girl punk band. They'd wear pink crinoline skirts, pink leather bustiers, have pink dyed hair that would stick out at unnatural angles and as a highlight of their show would vomit on each other and KEEP ON PLAYING.

Thanks, Dean, you made my day!

[rock on sooner]

Spare me the drama.

FWIW, I think pretty much all liberals are ****ing retarded morons. I just can't begin to fathom what ****ed up thing in their brain makes them think/act/speak the ridiculous horse**** they do. Especially liberals who are over say...40? By 40 you oughta be smart enough to realize the liberal mindset is nothing short of mental retardation.

As for spek, well I pretty much never spek folks either way - unless there's something profoundly amusing/intelligent/stupid going on. If your spek went south that one's on you.

Me and mamamia had an understanding. Lots of history you know nothing about. You bringing up something like that about her/me is pretty lame. She is somewhat correct in the mean-spirited thing. I prefer to just say I'm crass and opinionated and if you don't like it then eff the eff off.

Finally, I don't ban people for the most part. You've really gotta be a ****tard for me to give you the boot. Whining about me being a meany/bully ain't enough. Besides, those who know me know that I'm just a big teddy bear. A curmudgeonly, crusty, critical, hard teddy bear, but a teddy bear none the less.

It is no drama, it is FACT!
FWIW, you just proved my point about small minded...your belief of
anyone over 40, good job of self description! My spek going south
on me? we both know better.
Nothing lame at all about MamaMia. That, too, is fact!
Finally, I don't whine. And, what I know about you comes from the
sparkling intellect you exhibit on this board. And, I will make your day,
though, we're...you & I...are done.

[TAFBSooner]

Don't be bothered by spek. At least it isn't orange anymore. Now it's just crimson. Boomer Sooner, amirite? :)

Also, don't be bothered by those who disagree or insult you on the Internet. It's not worth getting worked up over. I'd say the same thing about politics in general (they are not worth getting worked up over) because people are always going to disagree with you in politics. People are going to insult you if they disagree with you in politics. And yes, "mean spirited" comes to mind in politics as it does with the Internet.

Chin up, message boarder. It's just the Internet/politics. Get over it, move on, and lighten up. If you're one for three on that last sentence, that's good enough.

About Internet chatter, you're right. Politics OTOH matter a great deal.

Talking politics on the Internet seems to fall under "Internet chatter."

[bluedogok]

Now... on this topic of red states turning blue, what will cause a political shift back to Republicans nationally, and will it make a difference in urban areas nationwide (Texas and otherwise) as well? Or, are staunch Democrats just as stubborn as staunch Republicans :D
Yes...yes they are if not worse. Neither extreme thinks for themselves and eats up whatever is fed to them by their masters.

Have you ever heard of a "Yellow Dog Democrat", they would vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for a Republican. In the past Southern Oklahoma's Little Dixie Democrats were yellow dog democrats.