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sappstuf
4/10/2013, 05:42 AM
First the good news... At least if you thought the Kyoto would save the world.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/kyoto_met_1997-2012.png

We have lowered our emissions by 5.2%, that is the amount that first world countries were supposed to cut. Although we never ratified the treaty, we are the first country to actually meet the target.

Here you can see the dramatic effect on the world CO2 levels that our cuts have led to.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/webdata/ccgg/trends/co2_data_mlo.png

Errr.. Not so much. But I digress.

Here is the 12 month moving average of number of total vehicle miles.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/us_miles.png

Miles have clearly flatlined for awhile. We have been through recessions before on this chart but nothing is as dramatic as the past 4 years of the Obama recession.

Here is a chart of gasoline sales. As you can see there was a regular "heartbeat" of sales as summer started, but then it all drops off dramatically.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/us_gasoline_sales.png

Many Dems on the left say that usage is down because of fuel efficiency and higher mileage standards. But we have been improving those for years and years and you don't see anything that has those dramatic drops.

Now let us add in a couple of events to the same chart.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/us_gasoline_sales_econ.png

I don't remember any world changing fuel efficiency events happening at the same time as our credit rating was downgraded.

Thoughts from Zerohedge:


…but the biggest question we have is just how did the biggest boost in energy and engine efficiency occurred at two key junctions: Just after the Lehman Failure, and just after the US downgrade and the first debt ceiling crisis, when the total sales of gasoline by US retailers literally went off the charts, and which data series is now languishing at levels not seen since the 1970s (unfortunately we can only estimate: not even the EIA’s data set goes back that far).

Perhaps, just perhaps, Occam’s razor applies in this situation as well, and the collapse in energy demand in the US has little to do with MPG efficiency, higher productivity, and throughput mysteriously achieved just when the entire economy was imploding in the months after the Lehman failure, and despite the re-emerging proliferation of cheap Fed debt funded SUVs and small trucks, and everything to do with the US consumer being slowly but surely tapped out?

Of course, if that is the case, than the US economy is far, far weaker than even we could have surmised, although it certainly would explain the desperation with which the Fed is doing everything in its power to preserve the levitation of the S&P, i.e., the confidence that all is well despite all signs to the contrary. Because should the market finally be allowed to reflect the underlying economy – not the administration represented economy, but the real one – then everything that has transpired in the past five years will be child’s play compared to what’s coming.

diverdog
4/10/2013, 06:15 AM
Throw in the decline of the purchases of SUVs and you will have your answer. Higher gas prices over a sustained period of time has caused us to shift to smaller cars.

sappstuf
4/10/2013, 08:59 AM
Throw in the decline of the purchases of SUVs and you will have your answer. Higher gas prices over a sustained period of time has caused us to shift to smaller cars.

Ah yes, the decline of SUV sales, I, uh... oops..


SUVs lead U.S. auto sales growth despite efforts to improve fuel efficiency (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/29/AR2010122904445.html)

Leading the growth were sales of midsize sport-utility vehicles, which jumped 41 percent through the first 11 months of the year, led by vehicles such as the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Honda Pilot, each of which get about 18 miles per gallon.

Sales of small cars, by contrast, remained flat despite otherwise surging demand for automobiles.

That story is from 2010 so your theory is not backed up by the evidence of when gas usage was plummeting.

Or something for recent:


In the highest-volume month since August 2007, automakers broadly advanced to sell 1.45 million light vehicles in March.
That's only 3 percent higher than strong year-earlier results

Car sales up 3%. From the same story:


Full-sized pickups outperformed the U.S. auto industry in March, with volume soaring 14 percent to 166,076 units in a sign contractors are buying as the housing market revives.

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130402/RETAIL01/130409970/u-s-sales-climb-again-reach-volume-last-seen-in-07#axzz2Q4I5UCk2

Full size pickups up 14%.... This all seems counter to your point and you haven't even address the miles traveled chart which has nothing to do with the type of vehicle.

pphilfran
4/10/2013, 02:36 PM
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/pphilfran/Dommarch_zps141a5e35.gif

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/pphilfran/importmarch_zps6149f1c3.gif

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/pphilfran/totalautoMarch_zps97c901d8.gif

sappstuf
4/10/2013, 03:01 PM
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/pphilfran/Dommarch_zps141a5e35.gif

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/pphilfran/importmarch_zps6149f1c3.gif

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/pphilfran/totalautoMarch_zps97c901d8.gif

I knew I could draw you out with some charts... ;)

pphilfran
4/10/2013, 03:21 PM
I am usually lurking...most of the time I read and shake my head...

Hard to believe the BP spill was 3 years ago the 20th of this month...how much media attention?

pphilfran
4/10/2013, 03:25 PM
I have also been quiet because you pizzzzzzzzzed me off...not one little sentence...not a word...or a peep on my B17 flight thread... :}

diverdog
4/10/2013, 08:29 PM
I am usually lurking...most of the time I read and shake my head...

Hard to believe the BP spill was 3 years ago the 20th of this month...how much media attention?

Phil can you take the charts back to 2006?

pphilfran
4/11/2013, 01:24 PM
Phil can you take the charts back to 2006?
Not through my normal site...gotta pay to get old data...I will see what I can dig up...

pphilfran
4/11/2013, 04:50 PM
While researching I found these two tidbits...

Jan 3 2008 "2007 U.S. Auto Sales Dimmest Since 1998"

Then this gem....there is a silver lining in every cloud....

Apr 2, 2013 "March US auto sales may be highest since 2007"

pphilfran
4/11/2013, 04:59 PM
The short line on the left before the break is 2005 and 2006

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/pphilfran/Dommarch_zpsee4aac0f.gif (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pphilfran/media/Dommarch_zpsee4aac0f.gif.html)

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/pphilfran/importmarch_zps0795c3c3.gif (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pphilfran/media/importmarch_zps0795c3c3.gif.html)

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/pphilfran/totalautoMarch_zpsf2e767ba.gif (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pphilfran/media/totalautoMarch_zpsf2e767ba.gif.html)

radio
4/13/2013, 09:45 PM
Oh no a 50ppm CO2. Scary sh*t. So plants are gonna be greener.

Maybe it will start boiling the fing Pacific Ocean. It might rain here in God's Country if so.

I would like to add a little fact that the media does not explain. One Part Per Million is the equivalent of 1'' in 16 MILES.

Keep that in mind about these new fuel standards. It is splittin' hairs now.

sappstuf
4/14/2013, 01:50 AM
I have also been quiet because you pizzzzzzzzzed me off...not one little sentence...not a word...or a peep on my B17 flight thread... :}

<------- (Hanging head in shame) Apparently, I don't get off the political board enough....

cleller
4/14/2013, 07:27 AM
I have also been quiet because you pizzzzzzzzzed me off...not one little sentence...not a word...or a peep on my B17 flight thread... :}


Oop. I may not have commented, but after reading it, I went off on a tangent reading up some on the US bomber production during an after WWII. Lots of interesting stuff, and lots of planes built to get where we are now. Neil Armstrong test flew several after the Korean War.

I feel much smarter for having been prompted.