60 minutes and Newtown parents

[Soonerjeepman]

just saw the promo...

let me guess...more gun regulations...

It was horrible...but maybe, just maybe if a teacher had CC or if the kid had the mental help he needed it might not have happened as well. I'll assume as well (just like more reg will eliminate these tragedies) that even if the gun was outlawed he would have killed somehow.

The media is pulling out all the stops.

[XingTheRubicon]

You have to admit it's pretty amusing watching these idiots spit into the wind. Anything beyond a limited background check bill has about .01% chance of getting through the house.

[Soonerjeepman]

McCain was on some meet the press thing this AM...with some dem guy...course mccain ripped the pubs for the philabuster talk. Course mccain is an a$$.

[diverdog]

You have to admit it's pretty amusing watching these idiots spit into the wind. Anything beyond a limited background check bill has about .01% chance of getting through the house.

Who are you calling idiots. The parents?

[SicEmBaylor]

McCain was on some meet the press thing this AM...with some dem guy...course mccain ripped the pubs for the philabuster talk. Course mccain is an a$$.

I tried desperately to tell people this during the 2000 primary. I tried even harder during the 2008 primary and general election. I continue to try to tell people this. I think people are finally trying to catch on. Sure as hell I didn't vote for that tool.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Who are you calling idiots. The parents?Are we to pretend yours is a serious question?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I tried desperately to tell people this during the 2000 primary. I tried even harder during the 2008 primary and general election. I continue to try to tell people this. I think people are finally trying to catch on. Sure as hell I didn't vote for that tool.yawn

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

McCain was on some meet the press thing this AM...with some dem guy...course mccain ripped the pubs for the philabuster talk. Course mccain is an a$$.We should all know by now he is oftentimes RINO, but sometimes says and does good things. Of course, by not voting for him if he gets a candidacy, you're casting 1/2 vote for the complete and always guaranteed socialist(democrat running against McCain)and no, that doesn't make sense.

Unfortunately, we had our chance to remove the democrats from US govt. back in Nov. '12. (probably last time for a while, and even when their removal occurs again, things could be so screwed up we won't be able to see much improvement)

[SicEmBaylor]

yawn

I was very much on board with Bush in the 2000 primary very early back when he was flirting with the notion of running. Someone really ought to write a book on how Bush quietly built up his base of support while raising an enormous amount of cash. By the time Bush announced, there was really nobody that could overcome his advantage with support from the base and his monetary advantage.

McCain never seriously came close, but I've always thought he was a lunatic.

[sappstuf]

It has now come out in court documents that the Aurora Colorado shooter was reported by a psychiatrist to the police for being homicidal and a danger a month before the shooting. The police never followed up on the report and the rest is history.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50144253n

This makes the case much more about mental health policy than gun control.... Not exactly where gun control advocates want it to be. After all, if the police don't have time to follow-up a report from a trained medical professional about a homicidal person, do we really think that police will have time to go around and check to see if you have 7 bullets in your magazine versus 8 in New York?

[okie52]

McCain is an embarrassment.

[KantoSooner]

I wrote on this board last January that nothing was going to be done in response to Newtown. And for a very simple reason: we, as a country, don't really care. They weren't our kids, it wasn't our town. Once the news cycle shifts, we have a coupla pizzas and get back into our sitcoms, the memory fades. LaPierre and the NRA know they only need to play for time and the impulse to do much of anything will pass. Within a year or two it'll be 'That place in New England where the kids got shot' instead of 'Newtown'. And then the memory will be gone completely.

[diverdog]

I wrote on this board last January that nothing was going to be done in response to Newtown. And for a very simple reason: we, as a country, don't really care. They weren't our kids, it wasn't our town. Once the news cycle shifts, we have a coupla pizzas and get back into our sitcoms, the memory fades. LaPierre and the NRA know they only need to play for time and the impulse to do much of anything will pass. Within a year or two it'll be 'That place in New England where the kids got shot' instead of 'Newtown'. And then the memory will be gone completely.

I have come to believe that there is no catastrophic event large enough to change gun laws.

The problem I have with the NRA is that they are in the hip pockets of the gun industry and that is why they won't even allow laws that would shut down gun shops that are engaged in virtual gun running like the place in Baltimore that was on the news the other day. There are a small fraction of gun dealers who are very bad actors and need to be shut down.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

It has now come out in court documents that the Aurora Colorado shooter was reported by a psychiatrist to the police for being homicidal and a danger a month before the shooting. The police never followed up on the report and the rest is history.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50144253n

This makes the case much more about mental health policy than gun control.... Not exactly where gun control advocates want it to be. After all, if the police don't have time to follow-up a report from a trained medical professional about a homicidal person, do we really think that police will have time to go around and check to see if you have 7 bullets in your magazine versus 8 in New York?


But, but, but...background checks will solve the world's problems and make the world safer for Kum-ba-ya....

Bull effing ****!

If the police would have followed up on the report as per law, this would never have happened. I would be suing the **** out the PD.

McCain is useless.

[Soonerjeepman]

I have come to believe that there is no catastrophic event large enough to change gun laws.

The problem I have with the NRA is that they are in the hip pockets of the gun industry and that is why they won't even allow laws that would shut down gun shops that are engaged in virtual gun running like the place in Baltimore that was on the news the other day. There are a small fraction of gun dealers who are very bad actors and need to be shut down.


then AGAIN, USE THE LAWS we have and bust them....

[Soonerjeepman]

We should all know by now he is oftentimes RINO, but sometimes says and does good things. Of course, by not voting for him if he gets a candidacy, you're casting 1/2 vote for the complete and always guaranteed socialist(democrat running against McCain)and no, that doesn't make sense.

Unfortunately, we had our chance to remove the democrats from US govt. back in Nov. '12. (probably last time for a while, and even when their removal occurs again, things could be so screwed up we won't be able to see much improvement)

I actually did vote for him, AGAINST obama...

[sappstuf]

I have come to believe that there is no catastrophic event large enough to change gun laws.

The problem I have with the NRA is that they are in the hip pockets of the gun industry and that is why they won't even allow laws that would shut down gun shops that are engaged in virtual gun running like the place in Baltimore that was on the news the other day. There are a small fraction of gun dealers who are very bad actors and need to be shut down.

What specific gun law would have kept a person from killing and then stealing guns from a person and then killing others?

[sooner_born_1960]

If only it were illegal to shoot children.

[Soonerjeepman]

The 2nd Amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting or sports...it has to do with the Right to bear Arms against a gov that is trying to control the people...even our own gov.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

McCain never seriously came close, but I've always thought he was a lunatic.I never saw any tendency for him to take any liberal stances early on in his political life. However, for many years now, he has been back and forth, good on some things and goofy liberal on others. Unfortunately, his opponents(democrats) have always been full-blown, socialist liberals on just about, if not completely everything. I always have voted against McCain in republican primaries, but for him in the generals.

Nowadays, lots of libs have registered as republicans, so they can vote for the most liberal republicans in the primary. Sadly, simple math insures that a perceived conservative 3rd party candidate will split the conservative vote, and get the democrat elected...again and again. More difficult economic times loom large.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I actually did vote for him, AGAINST obama...Only thing sensible to do, IMO. Not enough people thought it important enough to oust the democrats, and their horrible political control.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

If only it were illegal to shoot children.Genius. As good as it can be done.

[Soonerjeepman]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2286893462001/newtown-parent-more-gun-control-is-not-the-answer/?playlist_id=1621774019001

at least one has a level headed idea

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2286893462001/newtown-parent-more-gun-control-is-not-the-answer/?playlist_id=1621774019001

at least one has a level headed ideaAnyone know when we can expect CBS or any other non-FNC station have have this guy on, to give his opinion? haha

[SicEmBaylor]

I never saw any tendency for him to take any liberal stances early on in his political life. However, for many years now, he has been back and forth, good on some things and goofy liberal on others. Unfortunately, his opponents(democrats) have always been full-blown, socialist liberals on just about, if not completely everything. I always have voted against McCain in republican primaries, but for him in the generals.

Nowadays, lots of libs have registered as republicans, so they can vote for the most liberal republicans in the primary. Sadly, simple math insures that a perceived conservative 3rd party candidate will split the conservative vote, and get the democrat elected...again and again. More difficult economic times loom large.

He holds the same positions he always has. If you didn't see it then you're either not paying very close attention or you're blind by party loyalty.

[SicEmBaylor]

I actually did vote for him, AGAINST obama...

Then you're part of the problem.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

He holds the same positions he always has. If you didn't see it then you're either not paying very close attention or you're blind by party loyalty.I didn't study his every vote or statement early as a senator, but he has Shirley made some goofy decisions going back a long while now. He's still always better than the thoroughly socialist democrat who runs against him(or any other democrat I've witnessed in politics, at least since Zell Miller)I see you're trying to make a case for 3rd party again, as always, but we know what third party candidates do, in reality, don't we? I know it apparently makes little or no difference to you if another democrat(full-blown socialist) gets elected.

[Soonerjeepman]

Then you're part of the problem.

nope...and ya know..quit with the rep comments, say it here or don't say it.

[SicEmBaylor]

nope...and ya know..quit with the rep comments, say it here or don't say it.

I said the same thing here that I said there, and I will do as I please. There are circumstances when a somewhat more private 1-1 message is appropriate. This is not difficult to understand.

[SicEmBaylor]

I didn't study his every vote or statement early as a senator, but he has Shirley made some goofy decisions going back a long while now. He's still always better than the thoroughly socialist democrat who runs against him(or any other democrat I've witnessed in politics, at least since Zell Miller)I see you're trying to make a case for 3rd party again, as always, but we know what third party candidates do, in reality, don't we? I know it apparently makes little or no difference to you if another democrat(full-blown socialist) gets elected.

It makes no difference to me if I'm forced to eat a full **** sandwich or 3/4 of a **** sandwich....I'm still being forced to eat ****. If you keep willing eating **** then that's all you'll ever be fed.

[Soonerjeepman]

lol...whatever, listen sic, I don't know you nor you me from jack****. That's not hard to understand...I know I'm not nor are you going to change anyone's opinion about politics nor religion on here.

I don't see a need for any private messaging, really at all, unless we're negotiating a purchase of something and we don't want the price out there or private info.

I think the PM is ridiculous...but say what ya want.

[sappstuf]

I can't tell if the look on Obama's face at the end is a realization that he is trampling all over dead kids or that the telepromter let him down and he misspoke.

_3-cTiQfH5A

[diverdog]

I can't tell if the look on Obama's face at the end is a realization that he is trampling all over dead kids or that the telepromter let him down and he misspoke.

_3-cTiQfH5A

Nahh. He caught Bidenitis. Not his fault. That bastard will infect you sooner or later if you are around him long enough. :)

[diverdog]

What specific gun law would have kept a person from killing and then stealing guns from a person and then killing others?

In the case of Newtown not any. In the case of many other murders it would help a lot.

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=4942752

[sappstuf]

In the case of Newtown not any. In the case of many other murders it would help a lot.

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=4942752


ATF issued a notice of revocation of Trader Sports’ federal firearms license in 2004, citing it for “thousands of violations” of federal law.

Sounds like we just need to enforce the rules on the books.

[sappstuf]

Nahh. He caught Bidenitis. Not his fault. That basard will infect you sooner or later if you are around him long enough. :)

You might be right.. I doubt he feels any remorse for trampling on the graves of those kids.

What about when he said this?


Now, over the next couple of months, we’ve got a couple of issues: gun control. (Applause.) I just came from Denver, where the issue of gun violence is something that has haunted families for way too long, and it is possible for us to create common-sense gun safety measures that respect the traditions of gun ownership in this country and hunters and sportsmen, but also make sure that we don’t have another 20 children in a classroom gunned down by a semiautomatic weapon -- by a fully automatic weapon in that case, sadly.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/04/04/remarks-president-dccc-event-san-francisco-ca

I had no idea that a fully automatic weapon was used at Newtown... Did you? The transcript clearly shows the president corrected himself on the matter to say fully automatic weapon, so it must be true...

Do you believe the president actually cares about those kids or just talks out of his a$$ to score political points?

[okie52]

You might be right.. I doubt he feels any remorse for trampling on the graves of those kids.

What about when he said this?



http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/04/04/remarks-president-dccc-event-san-francisco-ca

I had no idea that a fully automatic weapon was used at Newtown... Did you? The transcript clearly shows the president corrected himself on the matter to say fully automatic weapon, so it must be true...

Do you believe the president actually cares about those kids or just talks out of his a$$ to score political points?

Oh come on now...did you forget Obama teared up when he gave a speech about them?

[sappstuf]

Oh come on now...did you forget Obama teared up when he gave a speech about them?

Oh he cares about the children...


And I do believe that there are well-meaning Republicans out there who care about their kids just as passionately as we do.

I doubt he was talking about you and me Okie.. Republicans from Oklahoma hate their children.. It's science.

He weeps for our children...

[okie52]

Oh he cares about the children...



I doubt he was talking about you and me Okie.. Republicans from Oklahoma hate their children.. It's science.

He weeps for our children...

As long as he said "well meaning"....

[sappstuf]

As long as he said "well meaning"....

You're right.. Out of all Repubs, you have a find the "well meaning" ones.. Then of those, you must find one that cares about their children as much as Dems do.

I'm sure that person, if he really exists, is drinking brews with the abominable snowman with his feet resting on the Ark of the Covenant...

[diverdog]

Sounds like we just need to enforce the rules on the books.

Thats the problem. The NRA is trying to weaken those rules . For instance they want it to be made unlawful to name gun stores and owners names. They have also fought extremely hard to stop the limits or tracking of gun sales that allow for gun running. Again it is only a very small percentage of bad actors out there that we are talking about but they sell tons of guns.

[okie52]

You're right.. Out of all Repubs, you have a find the "well meaning" ones.. Then of those, you must find one that cares about their children as much as Dems do.

I'm sure that person, if he really exists, is drinking brews with the abominable snowman with his feet resting on the Ark of the Covenant...

Surely there is a pub out there that is worthy enough.....

It gives me hope for our kind....

[sappstuf]

Thats the problem. The NRA is trying to weaken those rules . For instance they want it to be made unlawful to name gun stores and owners names. They have also fought extremely hard to stop the limits or tracking of gun sales that allow for gun running. Again it is only a very small percentage of bad actors out there that we are talking about but they sell tons of guns.

But they weren't weakened... Just unenforced. What the NRA is trying to do has no bearing on the government's responsibility to enforce the law.

[KantoSooner]

I am all for enforcing what we've got already and seeing how it works. Too often the response to anything is 'pass a law' regardless of whether we've got unenforced stuff already fully enacted.

The recent recession is ample proof of that: our SEC and DA's were standing around looking for cameras to yak into instead of doing their jobs. And while that was not perhaps the entire story, it was a significant part of it.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I am all for enforcing what we've got already and seeing how it works. Too often the response to anything is 'pass a law' regardless of whether we've got unenforced stuff already fully enacted.

The recent recession is ample proof of that: our SEC and DA's were standing around looking for cameras to yak into instead of doing their jobs. And while that was not perhaps the entire story, it was a significant part of it.The politicians never seem to want to take that route, do they?

[OU68]

Thats the problem. The NRA is trying to weaken those rules . For instance they want it to be made unlawful to name gun stores and owners names. They have also fought extremely hard to stop the limits or tracking of gun sales that allow for gun running. Again it is only a very small percentage of bad actors out there that we are talking about but they sell tons of guns.

Uh, that was the BATFE, ala Eric Holder.

[diverdog]

Uh, that was the BATFE, ala Eric Holder.

No it was the NRA:


How Tiahrt Harms Law EnforcementWhile some components of the Tiahrt Amendments were improved in 2007 and 2009, several damaging provisions continue to tie the hands of law enforcement.


NICS background check records are still destroyed within 24 hours:
The Tiahrt Amendments require the Justice Department to destroy the record of a buyer whose NICS background check was approved within 24 hours. This makes it harder to catch law-breaking gun dealers who falsify their records, and it makes it more difficult to identify and track straw purchasers who buy guns on behalf of criminals who wouldn't be able to pass a background check.
ATF still does not have the power to require dealer inventory checks to detect lost and stolen guns:
While dealers must notify ATF if they discover that guns from their inventories have been lost or stolen, the Tiahrt Amendments prevent ATF from requiring gun dealers to conduct annual physical inventory checks to detect losses and thefts. ATF reported that in 2007 it found 30,000 guns missing from dealer inventories based on its inspection of just 9.3% of gun dealers.
State and local authorities are still restricted from using trace data to fully investigate corrupt gun dealers and traffickers:
While the FY 2010 appropriations language restores full access to crime gun trace data for state and local law enforcement, the Tiahrt Amendments continue to restrict what state and local law enforcement can do with trace data they have gathered. For example, state and local law enforcement are still prohibited from using trace data in civil proceedings to suspend or revoke the license of a gun dealer who was caught breaking the law.



and

This is an example of an attempt at weakening current laws:


The NRA has made several attempts to usher through Congress an "ATF reform bill" that would make it harder– some say virtually impossible – to revoke the gun-selling licenses of crooked dealers. If the bill passed – and the NRA is expected to try again soon – the ATF would have to prove the dealer's state of mind, in terms of his or her premeditated intention to break the law.

[MR2-Sooner86]

When the ACLU says background checks are bad you know you're on the wrong side of the argument. (http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/04/exclusive-aclu-says-reids-gun-legislation-could-threaten-privacy-rights-civil-liberties/)

[olevetonahill]

I Dont much care for the ACLU but In honesty they are usually on the RIGHT side of things.

[diverdog]

When the ACLU says background checks are bad you know you're on the wrong side of the argument. (http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/04/exclusive-aclu-says-reids-gun-legislation-could-threaten-privacy-rights-civil-liberties/)

Did you read the article? They did not say background checks are bad but that they needed to be done in an effectively and that records should be destroyed.

[champions77]

McCain is an embarrassment.

He comes across as a foolish old man whose positions are closer linked to liberalism than conservatisim. Should have retired years ago.

McCain and Romney are proof positive that the notion that the GOP needs to move to the left in order to recapture the WH is a bunch of bunk. The GOP did move to the left with those two, and you can see where it got us. If you act like Democratic Lite, people will just vote for the Dems. My gosh give the people someone that differentiates the GOP from the leftist in the WH today. And this goes back a ways, I hope no one out there thinks that "W" was a conservative.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

McCain and Romney are proof positive that the notion that the GOP needs to move to the left in order to recapture the WH is a bunch of bunk. The GOP did move to the left with those two, and you can see where it got us. If you act like Democratic Lite, people will just vote for the Dems. My gosh give the people someone that differentiates the GOP from the leftist in the WH today. And this goes back a ways, I hope no one out there thinks that "W" was a conservative.Unfortunately for all of us, too many folks didn't apparently care that the Democrats who beat both those guys are much farther left than either of them. They sat on their hands and didn't vote, or voted 3rd party, allowing the dems in again, for another round of socialist transformation of America.

Don't misconstrue, please. I agree with your premise that neither of them is conservative enough. However, especially in Romney's case, he demonstrated to anyone who wanted to look, that he had been a successful businessman, and valued the need for a healthy private sector. Under Romney, we would now be in the process of hashing out the problems we now are stuck with, (most likely), rather than adding to them. Even McCain would not have gone for the Affordable Care Boondoggle, I don't believe.

Granted, we might RIGHT NOW be forced to deal with our problems, which would be difficult, challenging, and very likely disruptive, if either of those guys had won the presidency. Instead we are punting them further down the field, and compounding them at the same time. The day will come, and holy moly it won't be fun.

[OU68]

"The NRA has made several attempts to usher through Congress an "ATF reform bill" that would make it harder– some say virtually impossible – to revoke the gun-selling licenses of crooked dealers. If the bill passed – and the NRA is expected to try again soon – the ATF would have to prove the dealer's state of mind, in terms of his or her premeditated intention to break the law."

You mean those crooked gun dealers that asked the ATF agents WTF, and were told to shut-up, they had it covered? Brian Terry is still dead.

[MR2-Sooner86]

Did you read the article? They did not say background checks are bad but that they needed to be done in an effectively and that records should be destroyed.

First point in the link you posted:
NICS background check records are still destroyed within 24 hours

This is a good thing. Not a bad thing.

[champions77]

This clip of a former Secret Service Agent is going viral. It is worth your time.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/R8WLXhahw_A?feature=player_detailpage

[champions77]

Watching the Sixty Minute piece, I felt really bad for those parents losing their kids at the hands of a lunatic. Unfortunately their receipe for addressing this problem will have very little affect on those that would commit such a heinous act. The gun laws they propose, the background checks, the magazines with less capacities, and even the assault rifle ban will do more to infringe on the Constitutional rights of law abiding people than it will to affect those those types of tragedies in the future.

The Sandy Hook killer would not have been subject to a background check, because he used his Mom's firearms. With 200 million firearms in this country today, it will be very easy to circumvent the laws to purchase almost any firearm and amunition that you desire. Criminals or insane people that are inclined to commit murder will not be affected by any of the laws either on the books or that are being proposed. Black market purchases or buying from criminals will not be affected by the gun laws. Crinimals do not obey laws, right?

The only thing that will work is arming someone in the schools, and that idea has been rejected by most school Administrators and government officials. No surprise here, I mean these are the same folks that now refuse to use red ink pens when grading papers. Why? the red ink might hurt their feelings and affect their fragile little self esteems, and give out "participation trophies" to the losers, so there is really no chance that these same people would agree to having a firearm on school grounds.

[OU68]

"you don't fight back by creating more sheep" I likey!!!

[C&CDean]

"You do not fight wolves by creating more sheep..."

Classic.

[C&CDean]

Heh. Great minds and all.

[OU68]

Heh. Great minds and all.

I'd give you a bump, but you don't need it :encouragement:

[MR2-Sooner86]

Watching the Sixty Minute piece, I felt really bad for those parents losing their kids at the hands of a luntic. Unfortunately their receipe for addressing this problem will have very little affect on those that would commit such a heinous act. The gun laws they propose, the background checks, the magazines with less capacities, and even the assault rifle ban will do more to infringe on the Constitutional rights of law abiding people than it will to affect those those types of tragedies in the future.

The Sandy Hook killer would not have been subject to a background check, because he used his Mom's firearms. With 200 million firearms in this country today, it will be very easy to circumvent the laws to purchase almost any firearm and amunition that you desire. Criminals or insane people that are inclined to commit murder will not be affected by any of the laws either on the books or that are being proposed. Black market purchases or buying from criminals will not be affected by the gun laws. Crinimals do not obey laws, right?

The only thing that will work is arming someone in the schools, and that idea has been rejected by most school Administrators and government officials. No surprise here, I mean these are the same folks that now refuse to use red ink pens when grading papers. Why? the red ink might hurt their feelings and affect their fragile little self esteems, and give out "participation trophies" to the losers, so there is really no chance that these same people would agree to having a firearm on school grounds.

It's all they got.

I've debated gun control advocates for years. Never lost. Why? I unzip my pants, pull out the facts and give them a mushroom stamp of logic to the forehead. I'm right, they're wrong and that's all there is to it.

Now that there's this tragedy they're dancing on the graves of kids because this is their only shot, appealing to emotion while ignoring logic, to get their agenda through.

[KantoSooner]

Well, one could be Mr. Clever Trevor and intone, "More guns in schools is like putting out a fire with gasoline," and he'd be equally witty and well spoken.
What I haven't seen in our national discussion is much that addresses how to stop nut jobs from shooting up schools.
I don't think mounting .50 cal M60's with fields of fire down every corridor is the answer. (Mind you, it would be highly effective if you got an open shot on an Adam Lanza. Take the fruit loop apart like Gallagher deals with a garden vegetable. Probably instill in the six year old witnesses a proper respect for authority figures, as well. But those are aside the point.) Nor would banning all weapons have any particular impact for years to come.
So, what are we going to do that is reasonable, cost effective and doesn't mean we have to join a police state? about all I can see is a pretty rigorous continuing mental health screening and treatment/isolation of those deemed to be dangerous. There's lots of constitutional horror down that road, as well; but I wonder if it's not outweighed by the reality of periodic massacres of little children.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

nm

[jkjsooner]

He comes across as a foolish old man whose positions are closer linked to liberalism than conservatisim. Should have retired years ago.

McCain and Romney are proof positive that the notion that the GOP needs to move to the left in order to recapture the WH is a bunch of bunk. The GOP did move to the left with those two, and you can see where it got us. If you act like Democratic Lite, people will just vote for the Dems. My gosh give the people someone that differentiates the GOP from the leftist in the WH today. And this goes back a ways, I hope no one out there thinks that "W" was a conservative.

If you honestly believe that then please explain why the more conservative republicans couldn't make it out of the primaries?

[jkjsooner]

The only thing that will work is arming someone in the schools, and that idea has been rejected by most school Administrators and government officials. No surprise here, I mean these are the same folks that now refuse to use red ink pens when grading papers. Why? the red ink might hurt their feelings and affect their fragile little self esteems, and give out "participation trophies" to the losers, so there is really no chance that these same people would agree to having a firearm on school grounds.

I have a son who is in preschool? Are we going to arm someone at the preschool as well? The next Lanza will just move onto the preschool. Why shoot up 6 year olds when you can shoot up 3 year olds?

[champions77]

If you honestly believe that then please explain why the more conservative republicans couldn't make it out of the primaries?

Yes I do believe it. Just because someone is a conservative, that in itself does not guaranteee victory. They must have a solid campaign organization from top to bottom. Not have goofball campaign managers like Romney had that mentioned the "Etch a sketch" to a reporter. The point I am making is don't move farther to the left in order to possibly appeal to more voters, there are plenty of conservative voters out there that just need someone to energize them to get out and vote. Not a whole lot of energy in McCain and Romney. I believe fewer republicans voted for Romney than even McCain. Don't let the media and the dems paint the GOP as "extremists" when it is the democratic party that has moved far to the left. Mainstream ideas are still found in the GOP, moreso than in the Democratic Party.

[champions77]

I have a son who is in preschool? Are we going to arm someone at the preschool as well? The next Lanza will just move onto the preschool. Why shoot up 6 year olds when you can shoot up 3 year olds?

You are if you want the school to be safe. I had a guy in the office the other day and he was carrying a gun on his belt. I told him "thanks, you just made my office the safest place on this street". Absent having someone in the school that can handle a firearm in the event of another nutcase coming into the school, you tell me what else safeguards those children better? It is cerntainly not some law that prohibits a lunatic from having a large capacity magazine. Those kind of "feel good" laws will not protect anyone. Criminals and nutcases don't pay attention to what is the law, as a matter of fact, advertise on your buisiness that "NO Firearms Allowed". Congrats, you just made your place more attractive to any would be criminal.
We need to get past this notion that "ohhh it's a grade school, we can't have any weapons here" When the criminals know that there is a firearm there, they will be less likely to go there.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Yes I do believe it. Just because someone is a conservative, that in itself does not guaranteee victory. They must have a solid campaign organization from top to bottom. Not have goofball campaign managers like Romney had that mentioned the "Etch a sketch" to a reporter. The point I am making is don't move farther to the left in order to possibly appeal to more voters, there are plenty of conservative voters out there that just need someone to energize them to get out and vote. Not a whole lot of energy in McCain and Romney. I believe fewer republicans voted for Romney than even McCain. Don't let the media and the dems paint the GOP as "extremists" when it is the democratic party that has moved far to the left. Mainstream ideas are still found in the GOP, moreso than in the Democratic Party.other factors include the power of the MSM and the Entertainment Industry, to do everything they can to demonize conservatives, and poison them in the voters' minds, and the fear many otherwise good people have of the treatment they will get when running for office. Of course, there's always the voter fraud by the Left. We don't really know how much there is.
Further, there are lots of liberals who vote as republican in the republican primary election, to try to secure the most liberal candidate they can for the republicans.

An example of the difficulty in running as a conservative nowadays is the Senate race in '10. McCain raised $21 million to attack and defeat JD Hayworth in the primary. I believe some republicans voted for McCain in the primary because they believed Hayworth would be attacked and slandered so badly by the democrat machine, that he had no chance in the general election. In Arizona there are lots more people who are libz than there used to be, and the democrat would have a chance of winning even without the Media and democrat money. So, McCain got the primary win. And, as bad as he is, Im glad he's there instead of the total socialist the democrats ran. McCain IS a goofball, but he's good on some stuff, and not as thoroughly bad as his democrat challenger was/is. The future looks pretty bleak.

[sappstuf]

Teachers as Armed Guards in Michigan (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/341627/teachers-armed-guards-michigan-jillian-kay-melchior?pg=1)

During his 33-year-career in law enforcement, Victor Pierce has seen the bodies of murdered children, and he’s struggled to reckon with it. After Sandy Hook, he felt compelled to do something, he says. So he decided to invite teachers and school administrators to participate in the reserve-officer-training program. After they’d completed the class, Pierce would swear them in as volunteer reserve officers, and if the school district gave its blessing, they could carry concealed weapons on campus.

The entire story is well worth the read.

[Soonerjeepman]

kansas is voting on CC at schools...or it's up for debate

[KABOOKIE]

The law has passed and will go in effect this summer and it will allow schools to select certain teachers who already have a CCH license to carry their handgun at work.

Kansas is one of only two states that allow CCH on school property and in the buildings as long as those buildings do not have a “No-Weapons” sign posted. If the school building is posted you can get a criminal violation and lose your license. The new law will remove the criminal violation of carrying a gun into a school as a valid CCH’er. Meaning that if even if a school is posted as “No-guns-allowed” all the school can do now is ask me to leave. This is assuming they even saw my “concealed” weapon.