The Johnny Football party doesnt stop

[Mazeppa]

This kid is going to end up on the wrong end of something bad.


http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/02/10/13/The-Johnny-Football-party-doesnt-stop/msn_landing.html?blockID=862013&feedID=3742

[cleller]

Lets hope its soon. If I have to see his goofy face any more, I'd rather it be for something we can all laugh at.

[picasso]

This kid is going to end up on the wrong end of something bad.


http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/02/10/13/The-Johnny-Football-party-doesnt-stop/msn_landing.html?blockID=862013&feedID=3742
He's already at aTm isn't he?

[8timechamps]

I guess I don't see the big deal.

So, he was hanging out in New Orleans. Good for him.

I don't care for this kid, but this isn't exactly incriminating.

[BigTip]

I guess I don't see the big deal.

So, he was hanging out in New Orleans. Good for him.

I don't care for this kid, but this isn't exactly incriminating.

Seriously. We make fun of Tebow for being a goody two shoe religious guy, but now we are on this kid for knowing how to have a good time?

[Sooner in Tampa]

Merge this with the WGAS thread

[Curly Bill]

I'm ready for the little bastage to crash and burn.

[goingoneight]

He's only got two or three more years to be the ESPN love child. There's no way this hype machine could exceed Tebowmania. Need I remind everyone that Tebow is STILL being talked about as his career is crashing and burning.

[badger]

He's only got two or three more years to be the ESPN love child. There's no way this hype machine could exceed Tebowmania. Need I remind everyone that Tebow is STILL being talked about as his career is crashing and burning.

Tebow was likeable, someone you wouldn't mind your daughter dating. Everything about Johnny screams d00shebag, someone you would threaten with Lorena Bobbit-ness if they did anything bad to your daughter.

EDIT: And we're not bitter. We lost to both Tebow and Johnny in bowls, so we can say this without bias: His nickname should be Johnny A$$hole

[Ruf/Nek7]

He already got in trouble and nothing happened hence this and all of the other crap popping up.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

It looks like he attends class about as often as any other sec player.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

What's wrong with celebrating Mardi Gras? I didn't go to Mardi Gras, but I did have more than my share of fun during my freshman year of college.

[badger]

What's wrong with celebrating Mardi Gras? I didn't go to Mardi Gras, but I did have more than my share of fun during my freshman year of college.

REDSHIRT freshman. Gaaaah, they make it sound like he jump hopped onto the college thing from HS and instantly dominated. NO, he was a REDSHIRT freshman.

The SEC defenses are going to make Johnny Dipsh!t their beyonce this fall.

[Soonerjeepman]

REDSHIRT freshman. Gaaaah, they make it sound like he jump hopped onto the college thing from HS and instantly dominated. NO, he was a REDSHIRT freshman.

The SEC defenses are going to make Johnny Dipsh!t their beyonce this fall.

exactly...he was a REDSHIRT freshman with a dominant line. Yes we did get our a$$ handed to us...but doesn't mean he isn't an ahole

my other question...they already on spring break? why is he over there during the week? if he was....ya would think he had classes...

[TheHumanAlphabet]

The crash and burn could get very ugly...

[TheHumanAlphabet]

What's wrong with celebrating Mardi Gras? I didn't go to Mardi Gras, but I did have more than my share of fun during my freshman year of college.


The difference is you were not likely representing your University. He represents his at every public venue. You may not agree, but he has "lost" his private life with the publicity of being a marquee player.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

my other question...they already on spring break? why is he over there during the week? if he was....ya would think he had classes...

Fat Tuesday... most people stop for FT or Mardi Gras. Southern LA comes to a stand still... Even here in Houston, Galveston is a big deal. I am sure he has excused absenses from class...

[badger]

I am sure he has excused absenses from class...

When Johnny barks, it means Johnny is bored so class is dismissed on the spot. It's an A&M tradition, dammit

[TheHumanAlphabet]

When Johnny barks, it means Johnny is bored so class is dismissed on the spot. It's an A&M tradition, dammit


A NEW TRADITION is born!!!

The Lassie bark tradition and the Johnny bark tradition...

[EatLeadCommie]

I bet he got to see a lot of boobies down in Nawlins.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I bet he got to see a lot of boobies down in Nawlins.Don't just give me trinkets, Johnny Hymen, DO ME sec sec sec!

[Fraggle145]

I like how he's 20, but has a bracelet certifying him as old enough to drink.

[Soonerjeepman]

Fat Tuesday... most people stop for FT or Mardi Gras. Southern LA comes to a stand still... Even here in Houston, Galveston is a big deal. I am sure he has excused absenses from class...

I know...bro lived in Hattiesburg for awhile...guess I never much looked where college station is...lol. close to La?

[Mazeppa]

http://network.yardbarker.com/college_football/article_external/johnny_manziels_off_season_was_better_than_yours/12915838?linksrc=foxrg_college_football

[sooneredaco]

OUr boys got their a$$e$ handed to them by this kid. So it goes without sayin that we're gonna hate on the little $hit. With that said, he's your typical college kid. I don't have kids so I am not in the group that says "I'd love my daughter to date a doo$h like Tebow". From a college football fan standpoint, I'd take this kid over St. Tebow everyday of the week.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

OUr boys got their a$$e$ handed to them by this kid. So it goes without sayin that we're gonna hate on the little $hit. With that said, he's your typical college kid. I don't have kids so I am not in the group that says "I'd love my daughter to date a doo$h like Tebow". From a college football fan standpoint, I'd take this kid over St. Tebow everyday of the week.Opposite for me, FWIW. Tebow is much more likeable, but Johnnyhymen is a better football player, although I don't think he will stand up physically for very long.

[8timechamps]

Opposite for me, FWIW. Tebow is much more likeable, but Johnnyhymen is a better football player, although I don't think he will stand up physically for very long.

I'd take Tebow as my college QB over Hyman 10 times out of 10. I know what he did last year, but Tebow did it longer and I think Tebow had a grit that Hyman couldn't even touch. Honestly though, I'd love to have either one play for OU.

[Midtowner]

The only issue I see with all of those talented kids at the same event is the potential that they are being treated by NFL agents...

[sooneron]

Just a typical bro.

[olevetonahill]

No wonder he has so much time to travel and Party, He aint got any classes he has to attend.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/johnny-manziel-taking-only-online-courses-only-campus-233900102--ncaaf.html

[badger]

No wonder he has so much time to travel and Party, He aint got any classes he has to attend.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/johnny-manziel-taking-only-online-courses-only-campus-233900102--ncaaf.html

Meh, I think we all knew people that would only attend class on the first day, exam days and turn-in-paper day.

If online classes are the wave of the future, perhaps tuition and fees can finally come down.

Yes, I typed that with a straight face :D

[OU68]

I like how he's 20, but has a bracelet certifying him as old enough to drink.

My summer jobs during college were in Lusianna - if you can get money on the bar, you can buy a drink.

[badger]

I decided that the Internet wasn't batsh!t crazy enough, so I ventured over to texags to see if there was anything to make us all laugh, and there was but of course:

A 33-year-old Yell Leader candidate nominated by the Corps:
http://static.wix.com/media/139fde_89883dc748e56b9e634ac82d692d34f4.jpg_srz_22 0_240_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz
Unlike most of the Corps, he is actually a real solider vet, not a play-army dude.
Also unlike most of the Corps and most of A&M, they nominated a minority:
http://static.wix.com/media/139fde_4f71c1e2eb933f40a5ab47cff1c11b70.png_srz_22 0_240_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_png_srz
They are also b!tching about their new stadium design. (http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=2271807&forum_id=5).. probably because it doesn't look enough like a fish tackle box

[Flying Scotsman]

[QUOTE=badger;3589870]I decided that the Internet wasn't batsh!t crazy enough, so I ventured over to texags to see if there was anything to make us all laugh, and there was but of course:

A 33-year-old Yell Leader candidate nominated by the Corps:
http://static.wix.com/media/139fde_89883dc748e56b9e634ac82d692d34f4.jpg_srz_22 0_240_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz
^^^^^
^^^^^
^^^^^
IS THIS RICK PERRY?

[Jason White's Third Knee]

He's only got two or three more years to be the ESPN love child. There's no way this hype machine could exceed Tebowmania. Need I remind everyone that Tebow is STILL being talked about as his career is crashing and burning.

Tebow was likeable, someone you wouldn't mind your daughter dating. Everything about Johnny screams d00shebag, someone you would threaten with Lorena Bobbit-ness if they did anything bad to your daughter.

EDIT: And we're not bitter. We lost to both Tebow and Johnny in bowls, so we can say this without bias: His nickname should be Johnny A$$hole

I wouldn't let either one of them date my daughter. Johnny Mediahype? Hell no. Tebow? He is a weirdo. Sam Bradford on the other hand...

[swardboy]

I hate him even more....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/forget-katherine-webb-johnny-manziel-girlfriend-sarah-savage-174639556--ncaaf.html

[Mazeppa]

The house that johnny built

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/house-johnny-built-texas-m-stadium-renovations-renderings-225044586--ncaaf.html

[Mazeppa]

The house that johnny blew up

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/02/20/13/Texas-AM-evacuates-stadium-after-bomb-th/msn_landing.html?blockID=867169&feedID=3742

[Fraggle145]

My summer jobs during college were in Lusianna - if you can get money on the bar, you can buy a drink.

Oh I know it, I'm just saying if your 20 I wouldnt be advertising it in pictures.

[Flagstaffsooner]

The house that johnny blew up

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/02/20/13/Texas-AM-evacuates-stadium-after-bomb-th/msn_landing.html?blockID=867169&feedID=3742


"Code Maroon"

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/bugs-bunny-maroon-305x320.jpg

[OU_Sooners75]

What leaves me scratching my head about Johnny Manziel is that he doesnt have to go to class.

He takes all his classes online. So, who is really taking those courses?

I don't care he is living it up. Good for him. But how is he making his grades? He spent a month in Louisiana. All while school was in session.

[bluedogok]

The only issue I see with all of those talented kids at the same event is the potential that they are being treated by NFL agents...
In Manziel's case his family doesn't mind him spending their money and they probably have more than the agents do.

[tycat947]

Stay classy Johnny Football (oops! Can I say that???)

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/02/johnny-manziel-suing-t-shirt-seller-of-use-of-johnny-football-nickname-can-keep-the-money-if-he-wins.html/

Johnny Manziel suing T-shirt seller for use of ‘Johnny Football’ nickname; can keep money if he wins
By SportsDayDFW sports
[email protected]
11:41 pm on February 22, 2013

If Johnny Manziel can’t capitalize monetarily off his ‘Johnny Football’ nickname, he’s making sure no one else can either.

According to ESPN’s Darren Rovell, Manziel’s corporation, JMAN2 enterprises, is suing a man named Eric Vaughan, claiming copyright infringement over t-shirts Vaughan was selling that said ‘”Keep Calm and Johnny Football.”

Manziel’s corporation that was set up in December can’t capitalize off the nickname or the quarterback until he is out of the clutches of the NCAA, but if Manziel wins the suit, he can keep whatever money he is awarded.

Rovell said the Texas A&M compliance office was told by the NCAA that a student-athlete can keep financial earnings as a result of legal action.

[Mazeppa]

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/fox-sports-networks/story/Manziel-with-tequila-bottle-on-spring-br?blockID=879317&feedID=3742

[Sabanball]

Kid's a player, he's proven that, but he won't sneak up on anybody this yr and you can damn sure bet he and Sumlin won't get Saban twice in a row.

[Mazeppa]

Kid's a player, he's proven that, but he won't sneak up on anybody this yr and you can damn sure bet he and Sumlin won't get Saban twice in a row.

This kid may "play" himself out before the season starts.

[Blue]

Kid's a player, he's proven that, but he won't sneak up on anybody this yr and you can damn sure bet he and Sumlin won't get Saban twice in a row.

Bama gets taken behind the woodshed in Aggieland. Take it to the bank.

[Curly Bill]

Bama gets taken behind the woodshed in Aggieland. Take it to the bank.

I don't see it!

[cleller]

I don't see it!

Me either. Not unless Sumlin is able to call down some angels to battle The Dark One.


I wonder if Vegas is carrying odds on whether Manziel will make it to the bowl season healthy?

[zeke]

I wonder if Vegas is carrying odds on whether Manziel will make it to the bowl season healthy?

Good question.

[Sabanball]

Bama gets taken behind the woodshed in Aggieland. Take it to the bank.

And you base that projection on what?

[Blue]

And you base that projection on what?

What makes you think you are going to beat them after you got smoked at home? Seems your projection needs more explanation than mine.

[Ground_Attack]

smoked? They lost by 5...

[Blue]

They got smoked in the first half. They didn't know what hit them.

[CincySooner]

They got smoked in the first half. They didn't know what hit them.

Sounds like they made some good halftime adjustments.

[thecrimsoncrusader]

ATM will win again, but they won't "smoke" Alabama.

[wishbonesooner]

Difference being Tebow actually won a couple of championships.

[TUSooner]

Kid's a player, he's proven that, but he won't sneak up on anybody this yr and you can damn sure bet he and Sumlin won't get Saban twice in a row.

I sure hope you're wrong; that was the best thing Johnny did all last year!!

[TUSooner]

The kid does seem to be headed toward a bad end, though.

[badger]

Tee hee (http://blog.chron.com/aggies/2013/03/manziels-competitive-fire-burns-even-in-spring-drills/)

[tycat947]

Tee hee (http://blog.chron.com/aggies/2013/03/manziels-competitive-fire-burns-even-in-spring-drills/)

Train wreck waiting to happen!

[cleller]

I want him to crash and burn so bad they make a Lifetime Network movie about him.

In any kind of recent memory he is the most obnoxious Heisman winner I can ever remember. Yeah, we may have been tired of Weinke and Tebow, but they weren't the gigantic tricycle riding clown Manziel is.

[tycat947]

More JM info:

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/03/add-it-to-the-list-texas-ams-johnny-manziel-gets-a-picture-with-rapper-2-chainz-hours-after-first-scrimmage.html/

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Train wreck waiting to happen!

Thanks for posting the original link Badg... Today this blogger is blaming it on the Giddy GA and saying the shove was no big deal. Sumlin is also saying NBD... This guy is full of himself and the wreck will not be pretty...Sumlin better reign him in or he will have a bigger, badder monster.

[cleller]

Sumlin's handling of him last year was smart, keeping the ****** muzzled and off-limits until December.

[BajaOklahoma]

No more twitter for johnny football. Whatever will we do for entertainment.
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/03/texas-ams-johnny-manziel-self-imposes-a-twitter-ban.html/

[Mazeppa]

Who didn't see this coming? I didn't think it would take this long.

Manziel not done with Twitter after all

After saying he was quitting Twitter last month, Johnny Manziel tweeted 49 times within the span of just a couple hours on Thursday. (Thomas Campbell-USA TODAY Sports)
*
April 12, 2013, 11:25am
It was March 27 when Johnny Manziel said he was quitting Twitter. He'd had enough of the drama and the distractions and it was time for the Heisman winner to take care of himself.
Well, Manziel fell off the wagon Thursday night. And he fell hard, uncorking 49 tweets within the span of just a couple hours. Most of them were replies to other people. One accused him of being drunk, to which he replied "false." Another said it was "bout time" he returned to Twitter, to which he responded, "I'm back for good."
You'll recall the event that prompted Manziel to step away was a Twitter hack. Somebody tweeted some insulting remarks about Ohio State point guard Aaron Craft through Manziel's account, and of course Manziel caught the fallout. The guy who did it even wrote a blog post congratulating himself for proving some kind of point about social media. So that was it. Manziel was done.

For 16 days.

[cleller]

I promise you Manziel has estrogen issues raging inside him.

[birddog]

Sooooo, Johnny likes himself. It does seem strange that someone that small can light it up but I just don't see how he can be THAT much craftier than his foes. No way is he an NFL prospect, at any position, so he better get those t-shirt profits while he can.

[badger]

For any Aggie lurkers lurking, we know that JFF et al beat us in the Cotton Bowl, so please don't confuse any of this banter with us being jealous of you and your 1 (excuse me, you claim 3 now) national championship(s) and 1 (or 2... oh wait, you clarified that it was a South Division co-championship, tee hee) Big 12 title(s...ish), and now, 2 Heismans (unless you'd like to revise that to a larger number on your stadium). No really, congrats on winning the Cotton Bowl and Heisman.

Texas A&M spring game attendance: 45,212.

That's it??? Well, looks like most of your fans realize that you must actually win a championship of some sort before it's worthwhile to show up. Better luck next conference!

PS: Your Johnny is still a moron (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/04/johnny_manziel_gives_record_45.html)

[nativesooner]

The Twitter ban is a good idea... He should probably relay that to some of his idiot teammates... lol!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/nativesooner/justin-manning-money-twitter_zps746f425e.jpg

And why on earth would the Heisman winner have to attend class!? lol!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/nativesooner/JM_zpsac2dfa8e.jpg

[PrideMom]

Please make this thread GO AWAY! Last year was a surprise, this year he will be lucky someone doesn't break his leg......

[badger]

I have no intention of this thread going away (unless A&M and Johnny have a year better than last year. then this thread can go to hell)

[Soonerjeepman]

dude has one big a$$ nose...never noticed it...wow.

[Scott D]

dude has one big a$$ nose...never noticed it...wow.

I'm surprised some smartass hasn't given it, it's own twitter account.

[Mazeppa]

This s**t just keeps getting funnier by the day.


http://bustedcoverage.com/2013/04/12/johnny-manziel-kissing-some-chick-last-night-at-the-bar/

[Mazeppa]

dude has one big a$$ nose...never noticed it...wow.

http://i48.tinypic.com/1zfmz5u.jpg

[Mazeppa]

I was really worried about this kid and his schooling. I feel better about him and his education after reading this. :P

Johnny Manziel will be taking classes on campus in the summer, fall

By Graham Watson
Alert campus security and brace for the paparazzi because Johnny Manziel is coming back to the Texas A&M campus.
Manziel, the Aggies Heisman Trophy winning quarterback, chose to take online-only classes this semester after determining that his newfound Heisman fame made it difficult for him to be on campus. But after a semester away, Manziel told media while in New Orleans to accept the Manning Award that he plans to return to campus this summer and in the fall.
“It was just one semester — something that I needed and wanted to do,” he said.
Well, if Cam Newton can win a Heisman and be a top NFL draft pick, and still attend classes like a normal student, there’s no reason Manziel can’t handle a couple extra folks wanting to shake his hand and take his picture.
Manziel said he’s had to learn a lot he past five months or so to adjust to life as the face of the Heisman Trophy. He claims criticism regarding his off-field activities — NBA games, bars, girls, girls, girls — won’t change how he approaches the game or even how he approaches his private life.
He said he just needs to be more careful whom he lets into his inner circle.
“I continue to slip up every now and then with people that you think you can trust and you really can’t,” Manziel said. “So I’m continuing to learn things every day.”

[thecrimsoncrusader]

Yeah, I am sure Cam Newton really attended classes and also did his own coursework. Just as I am sure 'lil Johnny is as well.

[Mazeppa]

If you have the kind of money that johnnys daddy does you can buy just about anything.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

If you have the kind of money that johnnys daddy does you can buy just about anything.how did Johnny Hyman's dad make all that money?

[Mazeppa]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2012/12/21/3791138/johnny-manziel-courtside-mavs-heat-ncaa

[Mazeppa]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/johnny-manziel-now-music-video-course-video-210334165.html

[zeke]

Gawd I hope some of the teams that play them take note of this hot dog's BS and turn his helmet sideways

[BudSooner]

Heh.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/johnny-manziel-tweets-t-wait-leave-college-station-154306191.html

[Mazeppa]

Don't drink and tweet. :)



http://i40.tinypic.com/2niuxc7.jpg

[Harris County Sooner]

I wanna see his facemask stuffed with sod.

[BudSooner]

Well considering what school he is going to, he might end up with a facemask full of ****.

[badger]

Sooo... who's up for some TexAgs batsh!t crazy threads related to Johnny's drunk tweet?

Linky (http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=2321013&forum_id=5)

So, in other words, they might just be as sick of Johnny as the rest of us. :rcmad:

[olevetonahill]

He He cant wait to Leave Colly Station? When was he there?

[badger]

He He cant wait to Leave Colly Station? When was he there?

When he was getting beat by LSU and Florida :rcmad:

[cleller]

Sooo... who's up for some TexAgs batsh!t crazy threads related to Johnny's drunk tweet?

Linky (http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=2321013&forum_id=5)

So, in other words, they might just be as sick of Johnny as the rest of us. :rcmad:


Interesting. I skimmed the first two pages, and it seemed that probably 75% of the posts were negative.

Can you imagine a returning Heisman winner at OU (or any school, really) getting slammed by his own fans like that? What a jerk. He's just a few tweets away from some O-lineman getting tired of enough of his bluster to allow some of that hot air to get knocked out of him.

[EatLeadCommie]

This reminds me of the child star gone bad stories. In 5 years, he'll be out of football (injury), out of rehab (brought on due to collapse of career), and posing in Playgirl.

[olevetonahill]

This reminds me of the child star gone bad stories. In 5 years, he'll be out of football (injury), out of rehab (brought on due to collapse of career),
and posing in Playgirl.

He aint No TeaBlow. Why would any girl wanta see him?

[tycat947]

The Lindsay Lohan of college football???

[Scott D]

The Amanda Bynes of college football???

fixed ;)

[Mazeppa]

http://i43.tinypic.com/hsml52.jpg

[Boomer Mooner]

Man, I really feel sorry for the guy. Can you imagine not being able to even leave the house without people watching your every move? I mean, he's only 20 for crying out loud, give the kid a break!

Not really. That kid is a first class dooshbag and I'm looking forward to watching him implode this season.

[8timechamps]

There's a reason a freshman had never won the Heisman. Should have remained that way.

[olevetonahill]

There's a reason a freshman had never won the Heisman. Should have remained that way.

Ditto .

[badger]

There's a reason a freshman had never won the Heisman. Should have remained that way.

Redshirt freshman.

Also, isn't this kind of funny to watch? What should have been a dream scenario for Texas A&M is very meh on paper. No national, conference or even divisional title. A Heisman that embarrasses your program and school and you're still the weirdest batsh!t craziest fanbase in the country who worships a collie, squeezes your balls on defense and designates every grassy space on campus as a war memorial that should not be walked on. Oh yeah, and you have to remove your hat for just about everything.

[Mac94]

Also, isn't this kind of funny to watch? What should have been a dream scenario for Texas A&M is very meh on paper. No national, conference or even divisional title.

Perspective ... it was an 11-2 season with a top 5 finish in a year when everyone in the country back in august was wondering if we'd even be bowl eligible. It was a very good season for us. Now ... Johnny has become a loose cannon ... great on the field ... a wild card off of it, and a rather polarizing guy, esp right now. It would be nice to have some context to his tweet ... but so far nothing. Was thinking about this and remembered back in the 80's when Brian Bosworth ruffled some feathers when he compared Norman to Moscow, Russia. Wonder what a college aged Boz would have been like in the age of social media?

[badger]

Perspective ... it was an 11-2 season with a top 5 finish in a year when everyone in the country back in august was wondering if we'd even be bowl eligible. It was a very good season for us.

Ladies and gentlemen, the only reasonable Aggie on the Internet :)

Now, let me not get into a hate-on-Aggie session again, but this is what you all signed up for when you took the SEC plunge --- you'll all be forever "above average," "overachievers," "winners" and "special" and all the other words that your parents and teachers used to make you feel better when you were younger, but you'll never be the best. That designation is reserved for the Alabamas, Floridas, and (I really wish it weren't so) the LSUs.

But hey, see what Arkansas did with their top 5 finish a few years ago? They built on it! They've had two coaching changes, a non-bowl season AND their expectations are lower than ever heading into this season! THAT could be you! :P

[Mac94]

Now, let me not get into a hate-on-Aggie session again, but this is what you all signed up for when you took the SEC plunge --- you'll all be forever "above average," "overachievers," "winners" and "special" and all the other words that your parents and teachers used to make you feel better when you were younger, but you'll never be the best. That designation is reserved for the Alabamas, Floridas, and (I really wish it weren't so) the LSUs.

But hey, see what Arkansas did with their top 5 finish a few years ago? They built on it! They've had two coaching changes, a non-bowl season AND their expectations are lower than ever heading into this season! THAT could be you!

And we were what in the SWC and Big-12 again? So if we maintain status quo in a higher rent disctrict oh well ... but maybe the gamble will pay off and we will build something. At one time Florida State was nothing more than a joke program that produced Burt Reynolds ... then Bowden showed up and the rest is history. You mentioned Florida ... but I don;t think historically they are a blue blood along the lines of USC, Texas, OU, Bama, Ohio St, ND, Michigan, etc. Other than Gatoraid I don;t think they were overly prominent until the visor showed up. Programs can and do rise ... it ain't easy ... but it can happen. Will it for A&M? Who knows ... but at least year one showed we can, under certain conditions, compete in a league everyone said we'd get steamrolled in.

[SoonerStormchaser]

There's a reason a freshman had never won the Heisman. Should have remained that way.

AD deserved it over that mother****er Lionfart!

[badger]

maybe the gamble will pay off and we will build something.

Oh yes, you are building something -- an expanded football stadium, right? And maybe someday Tennessee will fill their 100K capacity stadium again... probably around the same time that Texas A&M discovers that they can't fill theirs :rcmad:

Dammit, I said I wasn't going on a hate-Aggie rant. STOP DEFENDING YOUR SCHOOL!

[sooneron]

Good read...
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2013-06-18/johnny-manziel-twitter-attention-heisman-celebrity-texas-am-college-station

I like "Johnny Look At Me", it certainly fits.

[sooneron]

WTF Badger? Mac is defending his program in the most cool headed way that I have seen an opponent poster do... You're almost coming off .... aggie...

[Mac94]

WTF Badger? Mac is defending his program in the most cool headed way that I have seen an opponent poster do... You're almost coming off .... aggie...

It's all good ... all in fun. Enquiring minds though must ask ... is that Texas "aggie" or Oklahoma "aggie?" ;) We can;t be totally the same because they think, for whatever reason, that orange looks good.

[badger]

Mac's right. It's all in offseason fun. We all know that their stadium expansion isn't that big. Otherwise, it might intrude on their Reveille graveyard :P

PS: You're Aggie, Poke is "Aggy"

[Mac94]

Ok ... got it ... in that case I must welcome you to the dark side "aggie" ;) We do sing, "when they've boosted all the rest, they will come and join the best, we are the Aggies, the Aggies are we ..." Now what size denim overalls do you wear? ;)

[badger]

I haven't worn overalls since middle school, but I do remember them running a billion sizes too big... so size 2, I guess? Or is everything even bigger in Texas?

I'll just douse an OU crimson shirt in water --- that should make it maroon. I hear you have a fish pond for that.

Now I just need to work on my Aggie losing excuses: We got outscored. We ran out of time. We didn't fire Brent Vulnerables... sh!t, that's a Sooner excuse.

I guess I'll never be an Aggie :(

[Mac94]

Say ... yer getting pretty good at this ... your inner Aggieness is coming through! I'm wearing you down! ;)

[thecrimsoncrusader]

Sumlin is going to change the SEC just the way Stoops did the Big 12...assuming he sticks around.

[8timechamps]

AD deserved it over that mother****er Lionfart!

No question. Which is why I was so against a freshman winning last year. If AD couldn't win (and all of the conjecture was that he wouldn't because he was a freshman), then there is no way in hell Manziel should have.

[8timechamps]

Perspective ... it was an 11-2 season with a top 5 finish in a year when everyone in the country back in august was wondering if we'd even be bowl eligible. It was a very good season for us. Now ... Johnny has become a loose cannon ... great on the field ... a wild card off of it, and a rather polarizing guy, esp right now. It would be nice to have some context to his tweet ... but so far nothing. Was thinking about this and remembered back in the 80's when Brian Bosworth ruffled some feathers when he compared Norman to Moscow, Russia. Wonder what a college aged Boz would have been like in the age of social media?

Can you imagine Boz's Twitter account back in the 80's?! I can only guess he would have been banned from Twitter in a heartbeat.

[tycat947]

Perspective ... it was an 11-2 season with a top 5 finish in a year when everyone in the country back in august was wondering if we'd even be bowl eligible. It was a very good season for us. Now ... Johnny has become a loose cannon ... great on the field ... a wild card off of it, and a rather polarizing guy, esp right now. It would be nice to have some context to his tweet ... but so far nothing. Was thinking about this and remembered back in the 80's when Brian Bosworth ruffled some feathers when he compared Norman to Moscow, Russia. Wonder what a college aged Boz would have been like in the age of social media?

Pretty sure he was comparing NCAA to Communists and had nothing to do with Norman.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Pretty sure he was comparing NCAA to Communists and had nothing to do with Norman.wasn't it National Communists Athletic Association or Against America? Something like that. Easily googleable

The mac94 aggy got it wrong on porpoise, i would hope.(not even aggy is that far off base, are they?)

[Mac94]

The NCAA (National Communists Against Athletes) was a tshirt he wore to the Orange bowl against Arkansas ... in same game they interviewed a Sooner Pride member and asked her about Boz's comments about comparing Norman to Moscow. Have the DVD in that greatest games five pack they sell. As an aside whoever did that DVD pack needs to do another one ... no games in Norman ... plus would love to have the 20-17 comeback win over Nebraska in Lincoln. the set has the 17-7 game in 87.

So the shirt and his comments were two seperate things from the same season.

[VA Sooner]

Turns out the tweet from Johnny Football was about a parking ticket...

Oh the drama....

[olevetonahill]

Turns out the tweet from Johnny Football was about a parking ticket...

Oh the drama....

Thr boy is a Problem child. Hell I read where he was gonna transfer before the season last year if he dint get reinstated , Seems he got arrested and then suspended from the team for the year

[Scott D]

I haven't decided who is the more annoying problem child. Johnny Manziel or Justine Bieber.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I haven't decided who is the more annoying problem child. Johnny Manziel or Justine Bieber.too bad Bieber wasn't Lassie quarterback last january.

[Mazeppa]

Thr boy is a Problem child. Hell I read where he was gonna transfer before the season last year if he dint get reinstated , Seems he got arrested and then suspended from the team for the year


Here's that story from yahoo sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/johnny-manziel-reportedly-almost-transferred-texas-m-2012-135718696.html

[S.PadreIsl.Sooner]

He's a ****** bag.

[Mazeppa]

Sumlin wrote a letter that helped Manziel get reinstated.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/22522900/report-sumlin-letter-helped-manziel-beat-suspension

[thecrimsoncrusader]

Sumlin wrote a letter that helped Manziel get reinstated.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/22522900/report-sumlin-letter-helped-manziel-beat-suspension

So Sumlin pulled an "SEC".

[badger]

So Sumlin pulled an "SEC".

Remember when he suspended players for the first game, then when their first game got postponed due to weather, he made their suspension not be the next game (home at Florida) but whoever their cupcake non-conf opponent was?

Once you go SEC, you can't go back

[Mazeppa]

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/johnny-manziel-report-allegedly-partying-new-orleans-bourbon-street-lied-to-mom-archie-manning-passing-academy-072013

What? This ain't true. :)

[Scott D]

shocking....just shocking I tell you.

[badger]

Report: Manziel kicked out of UT frat party (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9515908/johnny-manziel-texas-aggies-kicked-university-texas-fraternity-party-report-says)

Best part: there's this photo:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCI1RUmCEAAi9pU.jpg

and this video (NSFW - an audible F-bomb):
PNDfGoFTA8c

[SoonerNomad]

Why do I get the feeling this thread is never going to end? I thought his SEC media days "apology" made it clear that he doesn't plan to stop the tomfoolery. He is a "20 year old college student" and he is going to act like one, even if his coach and his teammate have to be tired of having to defend him.

I bet Texas A&M fans want football to start more than we do, so their star QB can make headlines on the field.

[8timechamps]

Why do I get the feeling this thread is never going to end? I thought his SEC media days "apology" made it clear that he doesn't plan to stop the tomfoolery. He is a "20 year old college student" and he is going to act like one, even if his coach and his teammate have to be tired of having to defend him.

I bet Texas A&M fans want football to start more than we do, so their star QB can make headlines on the field.

Or get knocked out and never heard from again. I think there's a fair amount of A&M fans that wouldn't mind the latter.

[badger]

I think there's a fair amount of A&M fans that wouldn't mind the latter.

Meh, they're batsh!t crazy down there. They're probably writing this off as a business expense of a winning football program

[sooneron]

Yeah, ATM is relevant for the first time in what must feel like, forever... They'll take what they can get before Johnny ****** and Sumlin leave.

[Scott D]

Eh, it'd be nice if nobody updated this thread until he was in jail or dead in a ditch.

[thecrimsoncrusader]

Yeah, ATM is relevant for the first time in what must feel like, forever... They'll take what they can get before Johnny ****** and Sumlin leave.

It was their best team ever last season and they still lost two games. And what I mean by their best team ever is that team would beat every prior ATM team 10 times out of 10 times. Congrats to them on beating OU in a single game, but they're still a joke with male cheerleaders and THERE IS something wrong with that.

[badger]

Why do I get the feeling this thread is never going to end?


The Johnny Football party doesnt stop
doesnt stop
doesnt stop
doesnt stop

:rcmad:

[Lott's Bandana]

White, privileged, arrogant Terrell Owens.

Boz was bat shlt clever, even befriended Vinny, but would never have pulled this act of FU to his own fans.

[sooneron]

Boz didn't get into trouble with 5-0, to my best recollection. And I was at OU backinnaday.

[badger]

White, privileged, arrogant Terrell Owens.

Funny you say that (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9521439/heisman-winner-johnny-manziel-celebrity-derail-texas-aggies-season-espn-magazine)

I have just started reading it and already...


under the wheels of his black Mercedes-Benz, the one he wanted so badly that his dad finally bought it for him

wanted to play golf with his dad, so they unloaded their bags in the sun-baked parking lot of Hollytree Country Club

he's broken multiple phones in anger

[Fiatil]

I just saw the highlights of that on ESPN. Part of me loves that ESPN the magazine managed to get those sort of details, but most of me questions parents who are using ESPN the freaking magazine to air their dirty laundry. It sounds like they're trying to use the magazine to parent him and are incapable of doing it themselves; I can't wait to see how he reacts to this. They just told the world that they're afraid of his anger and think he may be on the verge of a public, alcoholic breakdown!

[S.PadreIsl.Sooner]

hope so!

[8timechamps]

If you haven't read the article, go to ESPN and check it out.

After reading it, I've come to the conclusion that his dad is nuts. Not the same kind of nuts that helicopter parents are, but the kind of nut that is more of a friend than a parent. At one point in the article, the author talks about JFF throwing his golf club in anger (while playing a round with his dad), and his dad doesn't say a word to him. Later, his dad says that he doesn't enjoy playing golf with him because his temper comes out. What?! If my kid did that, it'd be the last time he'd do it (I don't care how old he is).

Later in the article, it becomes apparent that both JFF and his parents have driven a wedge between them and the school. Everything is the school's fault. It's becoming clear why the kid is a walking train wreck.

[olevetonahill]

If you haven't read the article, go to ESPN and check it out.

After reading it, I've come to the conclusion that his dad is nuts. Not the same kind of nuts that helicopter parents are, but the kind of nut that is more of a friend than a parent. At one point in the article, the author talks about JFF throwing his golf club in anger (while playing a round with his dad), and his dad doesn't say a word to him. Later, his dad says that he doesn't enjoy playing golf with him because his temper comes out. What?! If my kid did that, it'd be the last time he'd do it (I don't care how old he is).

Later in the article, it becomes apparent that both JFF and his parents have driven a wedge between them and the school. Everything is the school's fault. It's becoming clear why the kid is a walking train wreck.

So kinder like Brat Bomars dad?

[JLEW1818]

He ran all over OUr faces. He can do what he wants. I think it's actually funny and starting to like him.

[8timechamps]

So kinder like Brat Bomars dad?

Very similar.

Even his dad knows he is a ticking time bomb.

What got my attention was how much of a split lies between the Manziel's and A&M.

[bluedogok]

Boz didn't get into trouble with 5-0, to my best recollection. And I was at OU backinnaday.
Nope, Brian didn't get into trouble anywhere off the field, he was a real mellow guy off the field. The Boz could get into some on the field.

Mike Reilly was the one who couldn't stay out of trouble, so much so that Switzer booted him off the team....twice.

Manziel is gone after this season, if he doesn't quit the antics Sumlin might have a "mutual parting of ways" with him at seasons end since he would be eligible for the draft. The school may request that happen as well. He is a spoiled rich kid who has never been told no and he is acting like a privileged college kid (which he is) but most of them don't the sports world attention so they can act as badly as they want without most knowing about it.

[S.PadreIsl.Sooner]

We need a vBookie opportunity to bet on this clown! How many new ignorant antics. Gets kicked off team. That kinda stuff.

[cleller]

The story was pretty much confirmation of what I already surmised. Spoiled rich kid who grew up with too much indulgence, and too few consequences. Seems like his dad was exactly the same. The whole family, seems that way. What kind of kid tells an aunt to "shut the hell up", or tickles his grandma and plays with her green beans? None of them have the backbone to discipline their young-ins. Too afraid they won't be liked.

As they mentioned on The Animal the other day, somehow the Sam Bradfords and Barry Sanders of the world manage similar things without being total losers.

[FirstandGoal]

One of the things that makes me cringe and wince visibly is when I hear any parent anywhere vocalize that their child is their "best friend"

Whenever I hear this, I realize that this individual has missed several key points when it comes to parenting and that their child will almost always be a royal pain in the *** and have absolutely zero discipline.

[swardboy]

On Mike and Mike this morning Golic tried to say that this is normal college kid behavior. His differing between Manziel and RgIII was that RG was preparing to go directly to the NFL after winning his Heisman, whereas JF is still in school. and of course Tebow was above all temptation so he doesn't count.

Excellent point clellar: Sam Bradford was still in school when winning his Heisman, and we didn't hear/see a hint of impropriety in his life. JF is the product of his environment, and that apparently means he was largely undisciplined...and deep underneath that translates to a kid that he's unloved. Who would tell their aunt "shut the hell up"? Dysfunctional family. Unearned wealth is one of the worst things that can happen to a family. Plenty of lottery stories to back that up.

[Lott's Bandana]

"I'm worried he is using alcohol to cope with the stress."
"Want another beer?"
"Yes, please."

[badger]

We need a vBookie opportunity to bet on this clown! How many new ignorant antics. Gets kicked off team. That kinda stuff.

Sure, why not... we can make it an SEC free for all :)

[badger]

So kinder like Brat Bomars dad?

That's the name that's coming up on TexAgs right about now (as you can imagine, they're going berserk between the ESPN stuff and the UT frat crap).

Probably the most hilarious part of the story is how A&M tried to keep Johnny's copy of the Heisman so they could milk their donors for more money.

[tycat947]

If you haven't read the article, go to ESPN and check it out.

After reading it, I've come to the conclusion that his dad is nuts. Not the same kind of nuts that helicopter parents are, but the kind of nut that is more of a friend than a parent. At one point in the article, the author talks about JFF throwing his golf club in anger (while playing a round with his dad), and his dad doesn't say a word to him. Later, his dad says that he doesn't enjoy playing golf with him because his temper comes out. What?! If my kid did that, it'd be the last time he'd do it (I don't care how old he is).

Later in the article, it becomes apparent that both JFF and his parents have driven a wedge between them and the school. Everything is the school's fault. It's becoming clear why the kid is a walking train wreck.

This totally explains JM's problem...his parents! They've never tried to reign him in as a child and this is what they got! And the parents are just as selfish and spoiled as the rotten kid. It's not rocket science! Sounds like he got the explosive temper from his Dad. Still throwing temper tantrums at 19-20 years old. This is going to end up bad! And stupid Dad acts like once he gets out from Aggieville everything will be ok. Well, it won't! He hasn't seen pressure like he will see if he makes an NFL team.

[Scott D]

On Mike and Mike this morning Golic tried to say that this is normal college kid behavior. His differing between Manziel and RgIII was that RG was preparing to go directly to the NFL after winning his Heisman, whereas JF is still in school. and of course Tebow was above all temptation so he doesn't count.

Excellent point clellar: Sam Bradford was still in school when winning his Heisman, and we didn't hear/see a hint of impropriety in his life. JF is the product of his environment, and that apparently means he was largely undisciplined...and deep underneath that translates to a kid that he's unloved. Who would tell their aunt "shut the hell up"? Dysfunctional family. Unearned wealth is one of the worst things that can happen to a family. Plenty of lottery stories to back that up.

Last week Greenberg got on my nerves when he was ranting about the beginning of backlash against Manziel. Apparently it never occurred to him that there is a groundswell of backlash because people are pretty sick of hearing at least one new story about the kid damn near every day.

[badger]

Are you guys ready for more?! :rcmad:

SI gave him the cover and the cover story. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130731/johnny-manziel-andy-staples-sports-illustrated/?mobile=no)

I haven't read it yet, so here's the cover at least:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.element/img/4.0/global/swapper/201307/130731.02.jpg

EDIT: Link only goes to reporter's perspective. It looks like SI has wised up to giving away its content for free online

[8timechamps]

This totally explains JM's problem...his parents! They've never tried to reign him in as a child and this is what they got! And the parents are just as selfish and spoiled as the rotten kid. It's not rocket science! Sounds like he got the explosive temper from his Dad. Still throwing temper tantrums at 19-20 years old. This is going to end up bad! And stupid Dad acts like once he gets out from Aggieville everything will be ok. Well, it won't! He hasn't seen pressure like he will see if he makes an NFL team.

I almost never criticize other parents method of parenting, but in this case it's pretty clear to me why he (JFF) is this way. From the article, it's sounds like his dad has some serious issues of his own, stemming from his own dad not being in his life. It seems like he took a complete 180 when raising his own kids, and wants to be friends more than parents.

[8timechamps]

One of the things that makes me cringe and wince visibly is when I hear any parent anywhere vocalize that their child is their "best friend"

Whenever I hear this, I realize that this individual has missed several key points when it comes to parenting and that their child will almost always be a royal pain in the *** and have absolutely zero discipline.

Yep. If you get a chance (and are interested at all), go check out the article.

[olevetonahill]

Yep. If you get a chance (and are interested at all), go check out the article.

Link?

Never mind I dont really care. this is just More News/Sports media creatin Hype so they have somepun to report.
Screw the dweeb I dont care what he does this year he will always be a dweeb INHO.

[tycat947]

I almost never criticize other parents method of parenting, but in this case it's pretty clear to me why he (JFF) is this way. From the article, it's sounds like his dad has some serious issues of his own, stemming from his own dad not being in his life. It seems like he took a complete 180 when raising his own kids, and wants to be friends more than parents.

Pretty obvious in my book. I agree about criticizing other parents but when you listen to Mom and Dad's reactions, it's pretty clear. I've never heard of a collegiate player, much less a Heisman winner, going from place to place, almost daily, creating havoc and attention wherever he goes. The media, of course, follows him around constantly but he seems to thrive on giving them anything they can use and they wouldn't continue to follow him so closely if he didn't provide some sort of a story.

[8timechamps]

Link?

Never mind I dont really care. this is just More News/Sports media creatin Hype so they have somepun to report.
Screw the dweeb I dont care what he does this year he will always be a dweeb INHO.

Here ya go: LINK (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9521439/heisman-winner-johnny-manziel-celebrity-derail-texas-aggies-season-espn-magazine)

It's a long one, but interesting.

[8timechamps]

Pretty obvious in my book. I agree about criticizing other parents but when you listen to Mom and Dad's reactions, it's pretty clear. I've never heard of a collegiate player, much less a Heisman winner, going from place to place, almost daily, creating havoc and attention wherever he goes. The media, of course, follows him around constantly but he seems to thrive on giving them anything they can use and they wouldn't continue to follow him so closely if he didn't provide some sort of a story.

I'll put a little of his behavior on the constant media following, as I'm sure that has an effect on a 20 year old. The majority of it though is on him. After reading the article, I honestly believe he would have been down the same road even if had had remained a back up and anonymous.

[ashley]

I'll put a little of his behavior on the constant media following, as I'm sure that has an effect on a 20 year old. The majority of it though is on him. After reading the article, I honestly believe he would have been down the same road even if had had remained a back up and anonymous.

You are correct. He was just like this as a high school junior. All this is nothing new.

[Scott D]

I'll put a little of his behavior on the constant media following, as I'm sure that has an effect on a 20 year old. The majority of it though is on him. After reading the article, I honestly believe he would have been down the same road even if had had remained a back up and anonymous.

except that as a backup we know he would have quit aTm and transferred somewhere else to get in trouble.

[Lott's Bandana]

He goes on a road trip and forgets his clothes. (not the first time)

Off to the mall they go!

He reminds me of an insufferable, entitled teenage GIRL.

[Pricetag]

It's a long one, but interesting.

http://www.destinationhollywood.com/movies/topgun/images/topgun_slider.jpg
Yeah, so's my Johnson.

[Pricetag]

He reminds me of an insufferable, entitled teenage GIRL.
What about his dad with the whole "Never mind. Don't really care. Sorry to bother you." text back to the A&M guy when he didn't get a reply immediately?

[Soonerfan88]

A year ago, Manziel was so anonymous that he could pretend to be someone else. As Johnny's fame grew, A&M head coach Kevin Sumlin stuck to his policy of banning freshmen from doing interviews, a move designed to protect Johnny but which accidentally turned him into an empty vessel for people to fill as they saw fit: a folk hero, a cartoon character, a savior. That's where the problem began. Texas A&M wouldn't let anyone know Johnathan Manziel, so they all fell in love with Johnny Football.

This is such BS. Now Daddy is putting the blame on Sumlin limiting his media contact? Yes, I would probably want to strike out at media if I was followed everywhere also but most of this is on JFF and his family. The media, especially Twitter, didn't get crazy until little Johnny started telling the world about his wild parties with every celebrity he could find. JFF is headed for a very hard fall and he'll be lucky to survive it.

[8timechamps]

http://www.destinationhollywood.com/movies/topgun/images/topgun_slider.jpg
Yeah, so's my Johnson.

Is that a "slider" quote?! Takin' it back old school!

[Piware]

Is this kid another Reggie Bush in the making? He just can't seem to do anything positive.

[Scott D]

Is this kid another Reggie Bush in the making? He just can't seem to do anything positive.

ok this post I don't get. As much as Manziel flaps his gums you'd think he was a player at "The U" in the 80s

[agoo758]

.

[SCOUT]

JFF is on a short train to destruction, but I honestly hope he avoids it. His ascension in football lore is pretty cool. It is a shame that he appears to be the shooting star form of athlete.

[S.PadreIsl.Sooner]

Agoo nailed it!

[opksooner]

"Ain't a horse can't be rode. Ain't a cowboy can't be throwed!"

Johnny Hangover's day is comin'. Book it.

And it will probably be self-inflicted.

[En_Fuego]

I can only imagine what some of the Gomer's are thinking. What if Bell took a trip to an Austin bar and was doing the hook-em finger f*ck ? ....... JFF is a prick.... Without a doubt

[bluedogok]

Last week Greenberg got on my nerves when he was ranting about the beginning of backlash against Manziel. Apparently it never occurred to him that there is a groundswell of backlash because people are pretty sick of hearing at least one new story about the kid damn near every day.
They have never understood the Tebow backlash in college or the pros as well. That is because they think they actually create and tear down who they want and everyone just falls into line with it. When they are tired of someone they don't realizing the bulk of the population tired of them long before the media twits have.

[JLEW1818]

@SportsCenter: BREAKING: NCAA investigating Johnny Manziel for allegedly profiting from autographs. (via Outside The Lines)

[Salt City Sooner]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9537999/otl-ncaa-investigating-johnny-manziel-profiting-autographs

[8timechamps]

@SportsCenter: BREAKING: NCAA investigating Johnny Manziel for allegedly profiting from autographs. (via Outside The Lines)

What a dumbass.

[Mazeppa]

I wonder if this is how he financed all those trips and partys?

[8timechamps]

I wonder if this is how he financed all those trips and partys?

Nah, his family is loaded. This was probably just to buy hookers.

[I Am Right]

Johnny Full of Himself

[yukonsooner]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9537999/otl-ncaa-investigating-johnny-manziel-profiting-autographs

I particularly like the comment from his father........................


Manziel also acknowledged that he was concerned about his son's drinking and how he is dealing with celebrity.

"Yeah, it could all come unraveled," Johnny's father told The Magazine. "And when it does, it's gonna be bad. Real bad.

[CatfishSooner]

couldn't have happened to a better guy...

[olevetonahill]

Nah, his family is loaded. This was probably just to buy hookers.

And Blow.

[colleyvillesooner]

Holy Texags meltdown Batman...

http://texags.com/main/forum.topic.asp?forum_id=5

[Curly Bill]

I wonder if this'll just bring more of the: he's just 20, doing what college kids do, blah, blah, blah....

He may be 20, and a college kid, blah, blah, blah...but he's also one of the biggest pieces of trash to hit it big since the Jersey Shore freaks, the Kardashians or Anna Nicole Smith. I'll be glad when we can say good riddance to him.

[bluedogok]

I wonder if this is how he financed all those trips and partys?

Nah, his family is loaded. This was probably just to buy hookers.
That is what makes it even more ridiculous, it isn't like he is a player from a poor family trying to get some extra money, he and his family don't need the money between the family oil and car dealership holdings.

He may be gone before the season starts.

[8timechamps]

Holy Texags meltdown Batman...

http://texags.com/main/forum.topic.asp?forum_id=5

The level of denial on that board is amazing.

Talk about a tin-foil hat populace.

[8timechamps]

That is what makes it even more ridiculous, it isn't like he is a player from a poor family trying to get some extra money, he and his family don't need the money between the family oil and car dealership holdings.

He may be gone before the season starts.

Just tells me what kind of kid he is (after reading the ESPN piece, I think his dad is the same way).

I can see him just saying "**** it", and leaving school.

[Sabanball]

I just remembered how the offshore line in Bama-A&M suddenly lept from Bama - 6.5 to Bama - 9.5 in a matter of hours last weekend. Someone obviously knew about the investigation.

[bluedogok]

Just tells me what kind of kid he is (after reading the ESPN piece, I think his dad is the same way).

I can see him just saying "**** it", and leaving school.
From that one article you could definitely say the apple didn't fall far from the tree. It isn't that just JFF has issues, the whole family has issues.

[Mazeppa]

Nah, his family is loaded. This was probably just to buy hookers.


Male hookers?

[Mazeppa]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/23015877/johnny-football-has-spit-on-all-the-help-texas-am-offered-him

[Sabanball]

According to @DannySheridan1, Alabama-Texas A&M has been taken off the board at the Las Vegas Hilton. Lol.....So much for it being the game of the year in college football.

[8timechamps]

Male hookers?

Is there any other kind? Oh, wait...

[sooneron]

Lady -boys!

[sooneron]

The level of denial on that board is amazing.

Talk about a tin-foil hat populace.

I was thinking the same thing. The gomers are foaming at the mouth about how UTerus is behind all of this.

[Zbird]

Ain't Karma a bitch Johnnie?

[colleyvillesooner]

Doyel from CBS; Go to Canada

http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/23016669/if-report-is-true-johnny-football-should-pack-it-up-and-head-to-canada

[rock on sooner]

He's in deep stuff now. Report says he took five figure payment for
autograph stuff during 2013 BCS Championships...some guy named
Drew Tieman...supposedly two witnesses saw him sign stuff but no
money changing hands...this from ESPN's Outside the Lines.....

[thecrimsoncrusader]

The big question is when does Johnny Keystone go full gangsta' and break into an apartment only to steal a non-functional 27" CRT?

[Mac94]

For some reason I feel like my Ags have become a reality TV version of the movie "The Program."

At least I was able to see actual live football last night ... albeit crappy NFL preseason variety football. At least the season is getting closer.

[Landthief 1972]

Some of the Aggies in the comment section must be triple-jointed as far backwards they are bending to make excuses for the little *********. This kid and his dad make the Bomars look like Ward and Beaver Cleaver.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9537999/otl-ncaa-investigating-johnny-manziel-profiting-autographs

[Jacie]

This kid and his dad make the Bomars look like Ward and Beaver Cleaver.

Thanks, now I have THAT image stuck in my head.

[SoonerorLater]

Think the Heisman Committee would like to take this one back?

[olevetonahill]

Think the Heisman Committee would like to take this one back?

Since ESPN has taken over the Hype machine the Heisman dont mean what it used to.

[SoonerKnight]

If he did get paid he would have to report it to the IRS. LOL! You know what happens when you don't and they find out!

[olevetonahill]

If he did get paid he would have to report it to the IRS. LOL! You know what happens when you don't and they find out!

Unfortunately it happened THIS Jan, so he's good on that point . Dayum it .

[TheHumanAlphabet]

According to @DannySheridan1, Alabama-Texas A&M has been taken off the board at the Las Vegas Hilton. Lol.....So much for it being the game of the year in college football.

All of TAMU games have been taking off the board according to the Houston Chronicle...

[SoonerKnight]

Unfortunately it happened THIS Jan, so he's good on that point . Dayum it .


Yes, but if he reports it as income even after he leaves and he plays this year! Then the school will be a deep crapola!!

[Herr Scholz]

I was thinking the same thing. The gomers are foaming at the mouth about how UTerus is behind all of this.

That's what they do.

[SoonerKnight]

Aggies will be Aggies!!! LOL!!

[rock on sooner]

All of TAMU games have been taking off the board according to the Houston Chronicle...

What happens to those who have already bet on the game? Refunds? SOL?
Or, will the bet still be honored? Not really a gambler so I don't know....

[8timechamps]

JFF seems like the kind of guy that has no loyalty to the university, and has the "If I'm going down, every one that's ever done anything wrong in my presence is going down with me!" attitude. attitude.

[olevetonahill]

What happens to those who have already bet on the game? Refunds? SOL?
Or, will the bet still be honored? Not really a gambler so I don't know....

If the bets been placed The Thugs will honor it.

[olevetonahill]

Yes, but if he reports it as income even after he leaves and he plays this year! Then the school will be a deep crapola!!

He can just report it as Miscellaneous income and be good.
Dayum it . Course I aint a Tax dude so Im just making **** up.

[virginiasooner]

Excuse me, but what 20 year old college football has a PERSONAL ASSISTANT? He lost me at that.

[swardboy]

Excuse me, but what 20 year old college football has a PERSONAL ASSISTANT? He lost me at that.

It's common. the university provides one or more to high-profile players. One of our former posters here had a son who was the assistant to Tim Tebow.

[Scott D]

It's common. the university provides one or more to high-profile players. One of our former posters here had a son who was the assistant to Tim Tebow.

that's only meaningful if he had to hold the snips in the circumcisions.

[olevetonahill]

that's only meaningful if he had to hold the snips in the circumcisions.

Heh,

[colleyvillesooner]

Another good one:


Nate supposedly told the broker JFF wouldn't do another autograph session for free, he would have to pay. Maybe he was basically telling him (because of the way he approached JFF) that he wasn't going to get one until JFF went pro.

[8timechamps]

Excuse me, but what 20 year old college football has a PERSONAL ASSISTANT? He lost me at that.

From reading the ESPN article, it sounds like his "Personal Assistant" is his high school buddy that dropped out of school to "manage" Manziel. In other words, his buddy was the first one to jump on the money train.

Can't really blame the kid (his assistant). If I would have had a buddy win the Heisman, I would have tried to ride his coattails too! :)

The problem is that the kid probably has no idea what he's doing.

[Soonerjeepman]

just heard DS might have taken $$ for autographs...or maybe that's on the previous pages...didn't look.

oops....sorry, day late to the party...

[Sabanball]

Sorry, but unless someone has a video of a stack of bills trading hands or a paper trail showing payments, I'm beginning to think that, in the end, nothing comes of this. The 'Cam Newton' firewall method would appear to be the line of defense being used here.

[8timechamps]

Sorry, but unless someone has a video of a stack of bills trading hands or a paper trail showing payments, I'm beginning to think that, in the end, nothing comes of this, as the aggies seem to be fully employing the 'Cam Newton' defense.

Here is the relevant topic of debate, it seems: Based on (possibly existent) photos showing Manziel autographing a lot of memorabilia in a private apartment, can the NCAA then justify a suspension by inferring that something like that wouldn't happen without a quid pro quo transfer of money, even if they cannot prove said transfer of money? There actually is lots of precedent that shows the NCAA enforciement staff COULD do this.

Is that something that could feasibly happen? We'll see. Kind of as always with the NCAA, it really just depends on how vindictive they want to be and how much of a taste for blood they have at the given moment.

The biggest problem with the "Cam Newton" defense is that the NCAA closed the "family/friend/agent" loophole. However, the NCAA still has to find hard evidence that money was taken in exchange for the autographs.

There are a lot of people talking, and even more that aren't. Seeing that the NCAA has been investigating this for a while now, I don't think there is going to be resolution soon. Which puts A&M in a tough spot.

[Curly Bill]

The biggest problem with the "Cam Newton" defense is that the NCAA closed the "family/friend/agent" loophole. However, the NCAA still has to find hard evidence that money was taken in exchange for the autographs.

There are a lot of people talking, and even more that aren't. Seeing that the NCAA has been investigating this for a while now, I don't think there is going to be resolution soon. Which puts A&M in a tough spot.

Awwwwww, that's a shame!

[8timechamps]

Awwwwww, that's a shame!

Just breaks your heart, doesn't it?!

[olevetonahill]

Whats funny is the folks at texags all have that Crystal on their shelf already and think they wouldnt lose it if he played and then was found ineligible

[Lott's Bandana]

From reading the ESPN article, it sounds like his "Personal Assistant" is his high school buddy that dropped out of school to "manage" Manziel. In other words, his buddy was the first one to jump on the money train.

Can't really blame the kid (his assistant). If I would have had a buddy win the Heisman, I would have tried to ride his coattails too! :)

The problem is that the kid probably has no idea what he's doing.


Sammy B reportedly has a group of advisors and managers working with him, all signed after his contract with the Rams. Most of them are his friends, but something tells me that will work out okay with a guy with a Biz degree.

[jkjsooner]

Sorry, but unless someone has a video of a stack of bills trading hands or a paper trail showing payments, I'm beginning to think that, in the end, nothing comes of this. The 'Cam Newton' firewall method would appear to be the line of defense being used here.

This is wrong on two accounts.

First, the NCAA is not a court of law and the evidence they require does not have to meet the standards in a court of law. If one of these brokers told the NCAA that they paid Manziel that would most likely be enough to declare Manziel ineligible. This becomes more relevant when you add in the circumstantial evidence.

Second, even if Manziel was not paid, he very likely technically broke NCAA rules. Here's the relevant part:


Title:12.5.2.1 - Advertisements and Promotions After Becoming a Student-Athlete.
After becoming a student-athlete, an individual shall not be eligible for participation in intercollegiate athletics if the individual:

(a) Accepts any remuneration for or permits the use of his or her name or picture to advertise, recommend or promote directly the sale or use of a commercial product or service of any kind; or

(b) Receives remuneration for endorsing a commercial product or service through the individual's use of such product or service.

Note that part (a) does not require that Manziel be compensated. If he knowingly signed these autograph pictures with the intent that they will be sold by the broker, that could be interpreted as an NCAA violation.

When a couple of guys from the UNLV team (maybe Larry Johnson and Stacey Augmon) appeared on an advertisement they were briefly declared ineligible. This was after it was assumed that they were not paid for doing so. Only after they made a convincing argument that they didn't know that their images were used for commercial reasons were they reinstated. The NCAA rules do mention that a player will not be held accountable if they did not realize that their image was to be used in such a manner but the player and school must take proactive steps to have the advertisements removed.

Manziel will have to make an argument that not only did he not get paid but that he had no idea these autographs were to be used in a commercial endeavor. That second part seems implausible unless he can argue that he really thought they were for charity.

The NCAA could declare Manziel ineligible knowing that he probably took money but not citing this as the reason (for legal purposes).



All that being said, I think 10 years ago Manziel would have been declared ineligible. It seems the NCAA has lost most of its will to go after these cases so I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens.

[jkjsooner]

Here's a question. Let's assume that it is ultimately determined that Manziel did take money.

Assuming that all transactions happened after the Cotton Bowl, as of right now has there been any punishable offense other than declaring Manziel ineligible? He hasn't played in a game.

Let's say the NCAA and A&M allows Manziel to play. They could have to forfeit those games. Could there be any further punishment against A&M for minor violations?

[SoonerKnight]

I'm not sure the Aggies have the same clout as some other schools!! LOL!!

[soonerinabilene]

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=9544137

$7500 reportedly for this signing, which is not the one that took place in Miami. The dude is screwed.

[Fiatil]

The level of denial on Texags is now reaching fantastic proportions.

[Scott D]

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=9544137

$7500 reportedly for this signing, which is not the one that took place in Miami. The dude is screwed.

The problem right now is that these brokers are willing to talk to the media, but not to the NCAA. This seems stupid to me, because they'd essentially be telling the NCAA the exact same thing they're telling the media.

[swardboy]

"...for new rims." Bwahahaha. That Mercedes has been nothing but trouble for Johnny.

[EatLeadCommie]

This is wrong on two accounts.

First, the NCAA is not a court of law and the evidence they require does not have to meet the standards in a court of law. If one of these brokers told the NCAA that they paid Manziel that would most likely be enough to declare Manziel ineligible. This becomes more relevant when you add in the circumstantial evidence.

Second, even if Manziel was not paid, he very likely technically broke NCAA rules. Here's the relevant part:

Note that part (a) does not require that Manziel be compensated. If he knowingly signed these autograph pictures with the intent that they will be sold by the broker, that could be interpreted as an NCAA violation.

When a couple of guys from the UNLV team (maybe Larry Johnson and Stacey Augmon) appeared on an advertisement they were briefly declared ineligible. This was after it was assumed that they were not paid for doing so. Only after they made a convincing argument that they didn't know that their images were used for commercial reasons were they reinstated. The NCAA rules do mention that a player will not be held accountable if they did not realize that their image was to be used in such a manner but the player and school must take proactive steps to have the advertisements removed.

Even if he wasn't compensated, I fail to see how he is advertising a product. They're going to have to show he was paid.

[SoonerorLater]

Manziel is just one narcissistic SOB. For $7500.00 he just threw away what would have been in all likelyhood the biggest calling card for the rest of his life. This entitled SOB thinking of nobody but himself, has just defacated on the highest award in college football because he just can't bring himself to think he needs to play by same rules as everybody else. On the plus side I bet he got some really nice rims.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Just read that in the Chronicle. Throw away your college career for $7500.00. Sheesh... CFL here you come...

[8timechamps]

Here's a question. Let's assume that it is ultimately determined that Manziel did take money.

Assuming that all transactions happened after the Cotton Bowl, as of right now has there been any punishable offense other than declaring Manziel ineligible? He hasn't played in a game.

Let's say the NCAA and A&M allows Manziel to play. They could have to forfeit those games. Could there be any further punishment against A&M for minor violations?

From what I can tell, A & M hasn't done anything wrong. So far, this is all on Manziel.

That's why I said earlier that this puts A&M in a tough spot. If they play Manziel, and he's later found guilty, that would leave A&M to forfeit the games he played in. So, sometime in the next three weeks, A&M has to decide what's in their best interest.

Given the information that's already been made public, I really don't think Manziel see's the field this year for A&M (or maybe ever).

[FtwTxSooner]

Not only the forfeits, but A&M would likey get docked a scholarship for playing Manziel and then him getting ruled ineligible by the NCAA after the fact.

[jkjsooner]

Even if he wasn't compensated, I fail to see how he is advertising a product. They're going to have to show he was paid.

That would be an odd technicality if allowing your image to advertise a product is a violation whereas facilitating others to use your image as the product is not a violation.

But, anyway, when the product is a signed picture of Manziel and it is posted on EBay then the product is its own advertisement. If Manziel knew this was going to be the case and facilitated this (by signing them and making them more valuable) then it's not hard to make the argument that he knowingly made himself available to advertise for the product.

A skeptic might say that the intent of this rule is for schools and the NCAA to have full control over a player's image. I'm less skeptical and I believe the NCAA thinks that allowing others to advertise for products increases the probability that money will be passed under the table so they want to avoid this potential.

[jkjsooner]

From what I can tell, A & M hasn't done anything wrong. So far, this is all on Manziel.

I wouldn't say A&M hasn't done anything wrong. It didn't matter that Stoops or Castiglione didn't know that Bomar was not working. We still got put on probation because it is our responsibility to know that. The punishment is fairly minor when the NCAA feels the university did not know of the wrongdoings but the universities are still held accountable (for more than just forfeited games).

The technicality here is that one could consider Manziel as being outside of the A&M program. After all, we don't hold a school accountable when a player who has finished three years hires an agent and signs endorsements - even if they're still attending classes under scholarship. That's just considered normal business.

This technicality may not apply since Manziel has taken part in practices since the violations occurred.

In either case, if A&M plays Manziel I think they could risk more than just forfeited games. They could risk probation just as we did in the Bomar fiasco.

[8timechamps]

I wouldn't say A&M hasn't done anything wrong. It didn't matter that Stoops or Castiglione didn't know that Bomar was not working. We still got put on probation because it is our responsibility to know that. The punishment is fairly minor when the NCAA feels the university did not know of the wrongdoings but the universities are still held accountable (for more than just forfeited games).

The technicality here is that one could consider Manziel as being outside of the A&M program. After all, we don't hold a school accountable when a player who has finished three years hires an agent and signs endorsements - even if they're still attending classes under scholarship. That's just considered normal business.

This technicality may not apply since Manziel has taken part in practices since the violations occurred.

In either case, if A&M plays Manziel I think they could risk more than just forfeited games. They could risk probation just as we did in the Bomar fiasco.

True, but as for A&M not "doing anything wrong", I suppose I was thinking more along the lines of big time violations. Even though OU was on probation after the Bomar incident, did anyone really notice. Tennessee was recently (and may still be for all I know) on probation, but does anyone really notice?

We're on the same page though.

[colleyvillesooner]

Saw this in LT. Cowherd rips Aggies:

http://youtu.be/oCwq7EQkV3Q

[8timechamps]

Peaked over on TexAgs, and it's kind of amazing how their tune has changed. From what I saw (and I didn't read a lot of comments), a lot of folks want him gone.