View Full Version : In 2016, what would make you switch your presidential vote?
If you voted for Obama in 2012, what would make you want to vote for the Republican candidate?
If you voted for Romney, what would make you want to vote for the Democratic candidate?
I ask, because reading stuff like the payroll tax hike impact (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/business/restored-payroll-tax-pinches-those-with-the-smallest-checks.html?hp&_r=1&) makes me think that even that wouldn't make Obama voters consider the Republican. On the other side of the spectrum, I don't think Wall Street's record high (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/wall-street-closes-record-high-220007640.html) would make Romney voters consider the Democrat.
Please, answer this seriously first, THEN have fun when the thread devolves into a political fight like always.
the payroll tax change wasn't a hike. Obama dropped it temporarily in the first place. everyone still hated him, so what's the point?
Nobody except economists thought of it as anything but a hike, yourmother. Like at the end of Nat'l Lampoon Xmas when the dad is explaining why a Christmas Bonus is considered part of your income, not an actual "bonus." People had come to expect lower payroll taxes and then suddenly, that was yanked away without much warning (yes, we knew it was going to expire, but most didn't think it would happen... they were likely conned into thinking only the rich would see tax increases). So, it's like a hike so it might as well be one.
FaninAma
2/8/2013, 12:23 PM
Nobody except economists thought of it as anything but a hike, yourmother. Like at the end of Nat'l Lampoon Xmas when the dad is explaining why a Christmas Bonus is considered part of your income, not an actual "bonus." People had come to expect lower payroll taxes and then suddenly, that was yanked away without much warning (yes, we knew it was going to expire, but most didn't think it would happen... they were likely conned into thinking only the rich would see tax increases). So, it's like a hike so it might as well be one.
I like that explanation. I think a lot of people were blindsided and had bought into the hype that Obama would only raise taxes on the evil rich.
Actually, I would be happy to vote for neither a Republican or a Democrat if their is a viable 3rd party candidate. My vote in the last election was an anti-Obama vote and I suspect that was the case for a lot of other voters who supported Romney....and probably the real reason he lost. When your best tactic is to say that you're not the other guy and you don't give the voters any motivation to vote for you because they like you or your positions you are probably going to lose.
i said that about Romney from day one. you could never really pin down who he really was anyway.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/8/2013, 01:29 PM
I like that explanation. I think a lot of people were blindsided and had bought into the hype that Obama would only raise taxes on the evil rich.
Actually, I would be happy to vote for neither a Republican or a Democrat if their is a viable 3rd party candidate. My vote in the last election was an anti-Obama vote and I suspect that was the case for a lot of other voters who supported Romney....and probably the real reason he lost. When your best tactic is to say that you're not the other guy and you don't give the voters any motivation to vote for you because they like you or your positions you are probably going to lose.As long as there is a democrat party, and they believe in a post-America authoritarian nannystate, any fracturing of the opposition to that party/candidate will only serve to get the d elected, or reelected in this case. It's simple math, unfortunately for us.
rock on sooner
2/8/2013, 01:40 PM
It would depend who the Dem candidate is but I could be persuaded if
Colin Powell would run.
It would depend who the Dem candidate is but I could be persuaded if
Colin Powell would run.
Heh...if he were running I might vote for the dem.
MsProudSooner
2/8/2013, 01:42 PM
If the Republicans nominated someone who was more interested in regulating Wall Street than regulating women's reproductive rights, I might vote for a Republican.
If the Republicans nominated someone who was more interested in regulating Wall Street than regulating women's reproductive rights, I might vote for a Republican.
Has Wall Street been regulated in the last 4 years?
SoonerorLater
2/8/2013, 01:54 PM
If you voted for Obama in 2012, what would make you want to vote for the Republican candidate?
If you voted for Romney, what would make you want to vote for the Democratic candidate?
I ask, because reading stuff like the payroll tax hike impact (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/business/restored-payroll-tax-pinches-those-with-the-smallest-checks.html?hp&_r=1&) makes me think that even that wouldn't make Obama voters consider the Republican. On the other side of the spectrum, I don't think Wall Street's record high (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/wall-street-closes-record-high-220007640.html) would make Romney voters consider the Democrat.
Please, answer this seriously first, THEN have fun when the thread devolves into a political fight like always.
Absolutley nothing. Every Republican vote I have made ove the last 20 years or so has been an anti-democrat vote. So as long as there are democrats to vote against I will be doing so.
Curly Bill
2/8/2013, 01:56 PM
IT'S ALL OBAMA'S FAULT!
I thought it was all Bush's fault???
I thought it was all Bush's fault???
Maybe the tide is turning.:applause:
Curly Bill
2/8/2013, 02:03 PM
Maybe the tide is turning.:applause:
5 years into his presidency you'd hope Obammy would have to start taking ownership.
5 years into his presidency you'd hope Obammy would have to start taking ownership.
Only if the economy ever turns around.
sappstuf
2/8/2013, 03:11 PM
Only if the economy ever turns around.
He probably won't be in office then, but I guess he can always pull a John Blake...
TheHumanAlphabet
2/8/2013, 04:06 PM
Badg... My answer to you truthfully would be a cold day in hell. That is what it would take for me to vote opposition.
Has Wall Street been regulated in the last 4 years?
the point is that instead of picking issues to harp on that brought in voters, they were alienating a large chunk of them
Midtowner
2/8/2013, 04:08 PM
If you voted for Obama in 2012, what would make you want to vote for the Republican candidate?
If he or she acknowledged global climate change, that evolution is a real thing, that revenue and cuts and growth are the only way to fix the fiscal crisis, that a woman's right to choose is a constitutional right.... you know, basically if this guy ran for office:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/George_H._W._Bush,_President_of_the_United_States, _1989_official_portrait.jpg/220px-George_H._W._Bush,_President_of_the_United_States, _1989_official_portrait.jpg
olevetonahill
2/8/2013, 04:11 PM
IT'S ALL OBAMA'S FAULT!
I thought it was all Bush's fault???
I get so confused.
Harry Beanbag
2/8/2013, 04:16 PM
I will most likely vote for neither for the third presidential election in a row. Maybe some day more voters will wake up and realize the R's and D's both are using the Constitution to wipe their *** with on a daily basis. Kill the elephant and the donkey, vote for Liberty.
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I agree. Acknowledging that the Earth is more than 6000 years old is a plus too. That is always a good barometer for me. Not to sidetrack the conversation with sports, but I had a friend in Chicago that was livid when the Cubs signed Milton Bradley. It was not because of his play on the field but that he doesn't believe dinosaurs existed. He said he could not stand to have a right fielder who didn't believe in dinosaurs. I feel the same way about politicians. They need to have a grasp of objective reality. It's a strong indicator that they will be capable of representing all of their constituents.
"I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forgo their use." -Galileo Galilei
BermudaSooner
2/8/2013, 04:32 PM
If he or she acknowledged global climate change,
man made climate change, or just climate change that has been happening since the Earth was formed?
FaninAma
2/8/2013, 04:41 PM
If he or she acknowledged global climate change, that evolution is a real thing, that revenue and cuts and growth are the only way to fix the fiscal crisis, that a woman's right to choose is a constitutional right.... you know, basically if this guy ran for office:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/George_H._W._Bush,_President_of_the_United_States, _1989_official_portrait.jpg/220px-George_H._W._Bush,_President_of_the_United_States, _1989_official_portrait.jpg
You cannot get enough real growth to pay off the government debt by government spending and taxing. The super rich get richer, the poor get poorer and the govenment goes further and further into debt.
Bush I actually wasn't a bad President but his biggest fault was he sired Bush II.
Ton Loc
2/8/2013, 04:48 PM
I left it blank last time for two reasons - I live in Oklahoma and having to choose between those two was a loss/loss anyway. I'll vote when there's a candidate worth voting for or if I move. One of those things will never happen.
Midtowner
2/8/2013, 04:52 PM
man made climate change, or just climate change that has been happening since the Earth was formed?
Both.
He probably won't be in office then, but I guess he can always pull a John Blake...
Heh...
If he or she acknowledged global climate change, that evolution is a real thing, that revenue and cuts and growth are the only way to fix the fiscal crisis, that a woman's right to choose is a constitutional right.... you know, basically if this guy ran for office:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/George_H._W._Bush,_President_of_the_United_States, _1989_official_portrait.jpg/220px-George_H._W._Bush,_President_of_the_United_States, _1989_official_portrait.jpg
Read my lips...
SanJoaquinSooner
2/8/2013, 05:09 PM
I voted for Libertarian Gary Johnson in the last election.
I'd more likely vote pub is they would give the middle finger to the cultural conservatives and champion the free-market conservatives.
I'd more likely vote donk if the nominee comes for the Democratic Leadership Council wing of the party.
pphilfran
2/8/2013, 05:15 PM
I will probably still vote against all incumbents...
I voted for Libertarian Gary Johnson in the last election.
I'd more likely vote pub is they would give the middle finger to the cultural conservatives and champion the free-market conservatives.
I'd more likely vote donk if the nominee comes for the Democratic Leadership Council wing of the party.
This Gary Johnson?
http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af24/okie54/illigal-immigration.jpg
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/8/2013, 05:26 PM
I thought it was all Bush's fault???Just the new faultfinding, cuz some young folks don't know or remember Reagan
I will probably still vote against all incumbents...
Hard to do for president in 2016.
For those of you that are adamant that you are never going to vote for a Democrat/Republican, remember that even Strom was once a Democrat.
As such, for those of you that are being firm, I want you consider extreme scenarios!
XingTheRubicon
2/8/2013, 05:39 PM
To vote democrat: need a time machine so I can go back 20 years when I knew everything...
To vote R: Probably Rubio, we'll see
To vote I: maybe
also, I'd vote for that cop that's going around murdering people all over California before voting for Hillary.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/8/2013, 05:57 PM
For those of you that are adamant that you are never going to vote for a Democrat/Republican, remember that even Strom was once a Democrat.
As such, for those of you that are being firm, I want you consider extreme scenarios!name some d who is for limited govt., providing for nat. defense, positions prescribed by law, and state and local money for police and fire, and is for Right to Work, and is against welfare except for the truly needy, unable to work folks. I'm not saying there aren't ANY, but I've yet to see or hear of one, at least since Zell Miller.
pphilfran
2/8/2013, 06:08 PM
Hard to do for president in 2016.
I then default to non incumbent party...
I'll always vote Republican because I'm so scared of who a Democrat Prez is likely to nominate for the Supreme Court.
The only way I'd vote Dem in 2016 was if the GOP was running an openly homosexual person.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/9/2013, 01:54 AM
I'll always vote Republican because I'm so scared of who a Democrat Prez is likely to nominate for the Supreme Court.
The only way I'd vote Dem in 2016 was if the GOP was running an openly homosexual person.An openly homosexual person would scare you more than an authoritarian socialist?
diverdog
2/9/2013, 03:10 AM
name some d who is for limited govt., providing for nat. defense, positions prescribed by law, and state and local money for police and fire, and is for Right to Work, and is against welfare except for the truly needy, unable to work folks. I'm not saying there aren't ANY, but I've yet to see or hear of one, at least since Zell Miller.
Name one Republican President who reduced the size and scope of the Federal Government by the end of their term. I can't think of one.
SoonerProphet
2/9/2013, 09:27 AM
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/randrecord-400/
, that a woman's right to choose s dog is a constitutional right....
FIFY
FaninAma
2/11/2013, 10:25 AM
Name one Republican President who reduced the size and scope of the Federal Government by the end of their term. I can't think of one.
Neither has a Democratic President. It all goes back to that famous quote by Alexander deTocqueville.
LakeRat
2/11/2013, 03:18 PM
Name one Republican President who reduced the size and scope of the Federal Government by the end of their term. I can't think of one.
Name one Democratic President who reduced the size and scope of the Federal Government by the end of their term. I can't think of one.
As to answer to the OP. I would vote for a JFK with his speech about ask not what your country can do for you speech.
I just don't see a Dem who has that kind of attitude. Maybe Diver can help me answer these questions.
badger
2/11/2013, 03:41 PM
name some d who is for limited govt., providing for nat. defense, positions prescribed by law, and state and local money for police and fire, and is for Right to Work, and is against welfare except for the truly needy, unable to work folks. I'm not saying there aren't ANY, but I've yet to see or hear of one, at least since Zell Miller.
I think you'd find the Democrats you are looking for in conservative states such as Oklahoma, where you have to be a bit more moderate in order to be accepted by red state voters.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/11/2013, 03:49 PM
I think you'd find the Democrats you are looking for in conservative states such as Oklahoma, where you have to be a bit more moderate in order to be accepted by red state voters.name a couple or 3 or one. Boren's son professes to be for some conservative things, and I saw one account where he said he has to go along with them if he wants to stay in office. whoopie!
Midtowner
2/11/2013, 03:55 PM
Name one Democratic President who reduced the size and scope of the Federal Government by the end of their term.
It's grown at about the same rate since 1980, except that under Obama, it's growing a little slower than any of his predecessors in that era.
badger
2/11/2013, 03:55 PM
name a couple or 3 or one. Boren's son professes to be for some conservative things, and I saw one account where he said he has to go along with them if he wants to stay in office. whoopie!
I don't accept the burden of proof in this because I really don't care and I'm not arguing with anyone on this, I was just speculating that you'd find some in red states. But if there aren't, I don't really care either.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/11/2013, 04:22 PM
I don't accept the burden of proof in this because I really don't care and I'm not arguing with anyone on this, I was just speculating that you'd find some in red states. But if there aren't, I don't really care either.Don't miss The Who perform Quadrophenia and More in Tulsa on Feb 14. It's Phantastic!
I think for myself. I take each election as a choice between 2 (or 3) options. I judge each one seperately.
Keep in mind, there is no enemy here, we are all on the same side. I don't know why people have such a pre-disposition to taking sides (even within the same group) and making the other side the enemy.
LakeRat
2/12/2013, 02:26 PM
name a couple or 3 or one. Boren's son professes to be for some conservative things, and I saw one account where he said he has to go along with them if he wants to stay in office. whoopie!
He was really bad about voting for something extremely left if the dems needed his vote. It was when eyes were on he would be "concervative".
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