obama, white house attacking fox news...your opinion?

[Soonerjeepman]

Fox news is the conservative news side, opposite of msnbc...so what's your take on obama basically saying they are not a news station therefor not allowed in on certain calls/info..

control of the press? I think the media is pretty biased liberally anyways, but chris matthews can't get enough obama but yet he is considered legitimate?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/29/obama-vs-fox-news-behind-white-house-strategy-to-delegitimize-news-organization/

might add, that Hannity just had a special about the corrupt washington dc, including the pubs..so maybe not sooo one-sided

[SicEmBaylor]

Fox News isn't conservative -- it's right-wing.

[Midtowner]

Fox News isn't conservative -- it's right-wing.

Yep.

[Midtowner]

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[XingTheRubicon]

Fox News isn't conservative -- it's right-wing.

ignorance. Watch the lead anchor...do you even know who that is?


oh, btw...nothing is = to MSNBC as far as bias

[Soonerjeepman]

lol...2 of the 3 showed up. At least admit the msnbc is as bad...doubt that will happen.

[FaninAma]

Fox News isn't conservative -- it's right-wing.

I do fault Fox for being so openly pro-Republican but I do see more willingness on their part to hold the GOP accountable for their trangressions of being wimpy on sticking with their principles. The Democrats, OTOH, have no one holding them accountable. Conservative voters tend to stay engaged on the issues 24/7. Most Democratic voters stop Face Booking and watching Oprah long enough to vote every 4 years. That's why the Dems do relatively better during the Presidential election cycles and Fox news consistently crushes the liberal cable networks in ratings.

[Midtowner]

Fox does a pretty good job keeping folks engaged with fear. Fear sells.

[FaninAma]

Fox does a pretty good job keeping folks engaged with fear. Fear sells.

If I wanted to be frightened I would tune into MSNBC and listen to the hosts on that network work themselves up into a frenzy over what they think it would take to reach liberal nirvana in this country. Me, myself and I have decided what issues are most important to me. The deficit tops that list. Fox talks about what needs to be done. MSNBC and the other maonstream networks rarely talk about it unless it is in the context of demonizing Obama's opposition on the issue. "Damn Teapartiers. "

[Midtowner]

Fox says "cut spending." Sorry, not a viable solution unless you want to head into another depression.

[SicEmBaylor]

ignorance. Watch the lead anchor...do you even know who that is?


oh, btw...nothing is = to MSNBC as far as bias
lol, yes, I'm aware of the lead anchor.

Fox News leans and its commentary is right-wing; it is not conservative.

[SicEmBaylor]

I do fault Fox for being so openly pro-Republican but I do see more willingness on their part to hold the GOP accountable for their trangressions of being wimpy on sticking with their principles. The Democrats, OTOH, have no one holding them accountable. Conservative voters tend to stay engaged on the issues 24/7. Most Democratic voters stop Face Booking and watching Oprah long enough to vote every 4 years. That's why the Dems do relatively better during the Presidential election cycles and Fox news consistently crushes the liberal cable networks in ratings.
This is true to a slight degree. Nonetheless, the commentary and analysis from their opinion shows is decidedly 'right-wing' and not necessarily 'conservative.'

[8timechamps]

There is no unbiased news sources (I'm not sure there ever was), but it's gotten to the point that it seems most of the news channels don't even try to hide it anymore. CNN is just as bad as Fox in that regard. MSNBC is the worst offender IMO.

[FaninAma]

Fox says "cut spending." Sorry, not a viable solution unless you want to head into another depression.

Then we are toast. I don't mean to turn this into another deficit reduction thread but here's the short version of what happens if we delay spending cuts:

Fed has to keep buying our debt because other nations and individuals aren't at these interest rate levels. If the Fed tries to dis-engage interest rates spike which shoots our debt up even faster. It is a vicious cycle. Real growth of the economy will not occur as long as the government debt black hole is sucking so much of the money supply into it.

Too much of our expenditures are going toward paying people on entitlements a subsistence level of support. That's not going to grow the economy.

Despite pphil's optimism there is no way we get out of this without some serious economic pain.

The stock market is the only place right now showing any growth but it is not growth on fundamentals like earnings it is an increase in the PPS because everything else is paying a negative rate of return because the real inflation rate is over 5% a year whereas Treasury and money markets rates are...well you know where they are.

Here is what is going to happen. The Fed will at some point panic and start raising interest rates. The bond market will collapse followed shortly by the stock markets. There has to be a day of reckoning with the amount of debt the world has accumulated. Creating more debt will not help us get out of debt. It just cannot be done.

[XingTheRubicon]

what will our debt servicing amount be per year in say 5 years if we are at 21T (which is almost best case with 1.1T annual deficits)

[Midtowner]

Then we are toast. I don't mean to turn this into another deficit reduction thread but here's the short version of what happens if we delay spending cuts:

Fed has to keep buying our debt because other nations and individuals aren't at these interest rate levels. If the Fed tries to dis-engage interest rates spike which shoots our debt up even faster. It is a vicious cycle. Real growth of the economy will not occur as long as the government debt black hole is sucking so much of the money supply into it.

You have two choices: Stop spending and have a recession for sure; or spend away, maybe spend smarter and grow your way out of the debt. I'll take the choice which doesn't include a 100% for certain recession/depression.


Too much of our expenditures are going toward paying people on entitlements a subsistence level of support. That's not going to grow the economy.

Actually yes, some of that spending grows the economy more than almost anything else. Those folks don't save that money, they spend it. Immediately. It has a huge economic impact.


Here is what is going to happen. The Fed will at some point panic and start raising interest rates. The bond market will collapse followed shortly by the stock markets. There has to be a day of reckoning with the amount of debt the world has accumulated. Creating more debt will not help us get out of debt. It just cannot be done.

That scenario would result in some pretty huge inflation, which interestingly enough, in the long term helps revenue.

[KantoSooner]

There is no unbiased news sources (I'm not sure there ever was), but it's gotten to the point that it seems most of the news channels don't even try to hide it anymore. CNN is just as bad as Fox in that regard. MSNBC is the worst offender IMO.

ding ding ding: WINNAH!

They've all (including NBC, CBS and ABC) tried to carve out little niches. Fox panders to the grumpy white demographic. MSNBC to the firey fixers of all societies ills....with someone else's money....because they're smarter. CNN to confused middle class people with college educations and blue collar jobs who want 'THEM' to be 'KEPT HONEST'. ....and so forth.

German TV has good news programs, as you'd expect. The BBC is generally reliable.

[Soonerjeepman]

grumpy white demographic. .

good grief...there ya go again. I know a lot of folks that listen to Fox...or are rep that are NOT grumpy...

just because we are frustrated with the libs/media and hear that WE have to change our ideals we are grumpy...whatever.

[Turd_Ferguson]

good grief...there ya go again. I know a lot of folks that listen to Fox...or are rep that are NOT grumpy...

just because we are frustrated with the libs/media and hear that WE have to change our ideals we are grumpy...whatever.

Haven't you heard? You need to be Red, Yellow, Brown or Black...White is so faux paux...

[FaninAma]

I'm not grumpy, just cynical.

[REDREX]

Fox says "cut spending." Sorry, not a viable solution unless you want to head into another depression.---Cutting spending will not cause a depression-----Now who is selling fear?

[Midtowner]

---Cutting spending will not cause a depression-----Now who is selling fear?

Massive cuts will.

Take a trillion dollars out of the economy. See how that goes.

[REDREX]

Massive cuts will.

Take a trillion dollars out of the economy. See how that goes.----Gov't spending consumes wealth it does not create it----You are to young to remember what inflation will do to the country----But we are headed down that path

[StoopTroup]

Get the Middle Class to avoid fear of losing a job and losing a Home and they will spend money again. The Economy will improve, taxes will be collected and the debt will go down. It's really a simple process. Now....if you are middle class or in that $500,000 per year range or above and you are living beyond your means...you might have a rough 4-5 years ahead of you but that's your fault for taking such risks. Once you pay that debt down, things will get better. Quit blaming other people for the risks you took that blew up in your face. Quit being mad that some got bailed out but you didn't. Forcing everybody to take it in the shorts and pay down the National Debt isn't going to help our Country. Have faith that "In Time" things will get better and admit that it sucks that you might be one of the last to see things get better and quit crying about why you didn't get protected. It was the GOP that changed the laws for bankruptcy. Just start paying off your debt, learn to live a bit differently. Pay cash instead of borrowing and taking huge risks.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

The Socialist is a ****ing **** sucker

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Fox does a pretty good job keeping folks engaged with fear. Fear sells.
Bull ****in ****...

[Midtowner]

Bull ****in ****...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-january-22-2009/fox-news-fear-imbalance

[XingTheRubicon]

Get the Middle Class to avoid fear of losing a job and losing a Home and they will spend money again. The Economy will improve, taxes will be collected and the debt will go down. It's really a simple process. Now....if you are middle class or in that $500,000 per year range or above and you are living beyond your means...you might have a rough 4-5 years ahead of you but that's your fault for taking such risks. Once you pay that debt down, things will get better. Quit blaming other people for the risks you took that blew up in your face. Quit being mad that some got bailed out but you didn't. Forcing everybody to take it in the shorts and pay down the National Debt isn't going to help our Country. Have faith that "In Time" things will get better and admit that it sucks that you might be one of the last to see things get better and quit crying about why you didn't get protected. It was the GOP that changed the laws for bankruptcy. Just start paying off your debt, learn to live a bit differently. Pay cash instead of borrowing and taking huge risks.

First of all, are you even employed?

and second, you do realize that if we had a booming economy (similar to the internet bubble) that we would still be 300 to 500 billion shy of our spending at current levels?

More simply put, a 40 year old guy that's never made more than 60K/year in his life...is gonna have to consistently make 200K/yr for 10 straight years just pay down 1/3rd of his debt. Good luck...or you could just quit spending so ****ing much.

[KantoSooner]

so sorry if I offended any Fox viewer by characterizing them as 'grumpy'. Would 'discontented' make you happier? How about dyspepsic? 'unsettled'? 'irked'? 'in a state of inchoate rage'? 'generally angry'? 'hacked off'? 'pissy'?
What is it about 'grumpy' that you dislike? I think 'grumpy' is a fine word. Nice middle English lilt to it. Very expressive. Gets the message across with evocative consonants and yet has a charmingly childlike note that makes it clear that the messenger is friendly. I dunno. 'Grumpy' just seems to get a bad rap these days...

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Anybody that watches prime-time cable news is angry or looking to get angry about something. That's what those shows are selling.

[KantoSooner]

It would be hilarious to have an evening news program entitled something like 'You Be The Judge' hosted by two aging white guys who'd read undisputed facts and then ask each other, 'what's THAT mean?' and the other could answer, "I have no idea". You could make a point to provide a culturally relativist response to any event of the day.
The sign off woudl be the two hosts swivelling to eye the camera and then shrugging.

[KABOOKIE]

I have to say you're a fool if you actually believe our economy is going to grow enough to outpace our spending. That being said I say spend until it does crash. It's the only way people will learn.

[Midtowner]

Fox sells fear, MSNBC sells making fun of stupid conservatives, CNN sells.... yeah, that's why their ratings are in the crapper.

[olevetonahill]

Fox sells fear, MSNBC sells making fun of stupid conservatives, CNN sells.... yeah, that's why their ratings are in the crapper.

This post of yours= Prime example of your attitude.

[TitoMorelli]

Pushing granny off the cliff? I don't recall hearing that Fox was pushing that idea.

Forcing women to go to back-alley butchers for abortions? Don't think I recall reading or hearing about such claims made on Fox, unless it was by some of the token liberal idiot spokespersons the network asked to appear.

Bringing back slavery? Gee, I didn't realize that Al Sharpton (or Joe Biden, for that matter) have their own Fox shows now.

[Midtowner]

This post of yours= Prime example of your attitude.

You complaining about someone else's attitude is funny stuff.

[Turd_Ferguson]

You complaining about someone else's attitude is funny stuff.

How's your dog **** stick?

[olevetonahill]

You complaining about someone else's attitude is funny stuff.

Aint complainin Just stating facts, About how you try so hard to come across as a Superior being. I think I have a very down to earth attitude. Im not better nor any worse than anyone else here. But you keep on there Tinker bell .

[Soonerjeepman]

Fox news during the day is news...Fox OPINION, yeah it's conservative, just like msnbc is liberal...should the president be saying what he is? no.

[TitoMorelli]

Pretty much sums up this administration's attitude:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BB5ujk_CcAAgKLW.jpg

[StoopTroup]

First of all, are you even employed? Good luck...or you could just quit spending so ****ing much.

Yes and also I think quitting spending and paying down your debt is exactly what I said for you to do. If you keep trying to keep up with the Jones you are just playing into a Bear Market when everything says we are in a Bull Market. Now...the hard part is to make sure you don't have to borrow when you suddenly see a small shift that will reap quick profits with little or no risk that doesn't require you to be in a long term risk. Quick profits and avoiding being to greedy or thinking you are going to find the deal that will set you up for an early retirement. Don't get me wrong either, there is some situations out there from time to time that might set you right but there just isn't as many as there used to be.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

(re FOXNEWS)... the commentary and analysis from their opinion shows is decidedly 'right-wing' and not necessarily 'conservative.'This means the neo-con military view to you, correct?