Another DT commit!

[Ruf/Nek7]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/oklahoma/football/recruiting/player-Matthew-Romar-128343

Matthew Romar 3* DT out of Port Arthur, TX has committed to OU and will forego his official to TCU next weekend.

Now, is this a move that we made in fear of Huggins' eligibilty issues? Either way, glad to hear it.

BOOMER

[Tulsa_Fireman]

I bet his brother Brett is pissed.

[stoopified]

I bet his brother Brett is pissed. :)

[VA Sooner]

Good pick up. Need to shore up the middle of the line.

[Boomer.....]

Good deal! Now need to work on the o-line.

[sooneron]

For a DT, he's very undersized. I doubt he'll see the field in '13. Needs AT LEAST 20-25 lbs.

[prrriiide]

For a DT, he's very undersized. I doubt he'll see the field in '13. Needs AT LEAST 20-25 lbs.

But he's just a couple of cheeseburgers shy of OG size.

[sooneron]

But he's just a couple of cheeseburgers shy of OG size.

Original Gangster!?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5R2arYenU-4/TmFJ-OsVpcI/AAAAAAAABLI/UaEZjNm54D0/s1600/Ice-T-O.G.-Original-Gangster.jpg

[lexsooner]

For a DT, he's very undersized. I doubt he'll see the field in '13. Needs AT LEAST 20-25 lbs.

6-3" 268 lbs. means he is really around six feet and 245. But he is an OU commitment, so Rivals should give him another star.

[Soonerjeepman]

6-3" 268 lbs. means he is really around six feet and 245. But he is an OU commitment, so Rivals should give him another star.

no doubt...you would think colleges would be like the pros. Just give the TRUE size, who cares. It's funny how these guys shrink during their pro-day check.

[OkieThunderLion]

no doubt...you would think colleges would be like the pros. Just give the TRUE size, who cares. It's funny how these guys shrink during their pro-day check.

I know a lot of schools fudge, but OU's roster has been dead-on for several years now.

Landry listed 6' 4", 218. Measured 6' 3 5/8", 221
Lane listed 6' 7", 303. Measured 6' 6 1/4", 302.

[badger]

no doubt...you would think colleges would be like the pros. Just give the TRUE size, who cares. It's funny how these guys shrink during their pro-day check.

Colt McCoy lost at least half a foot, which we all figured out when Sammie was standing next to him (http://24.media.tumblr.com/uJUfUnYKvqcrf2apMFQZKRIdo1_500.png).

[sooneron]

6-3" 268 lbs. means he is really around six feet and 245. But he is an OU commitment, so Rivals should give him another star.

Maybe it's the average. In the email that I got, the site had him at 6'2 and 255. WTF??

http://oklahoma.scout.com/a.z?s=146&p=8&c=1&nid=6746265

[8timechamps]

THIS IS NOT CONFIRMED.

His high school coach was asked about this (this morning), and said he knows nothing about Romar committing. When/if it becomes official, I'll post it on the recruiting board.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Not very impressive. We beat out who for this kid? Tulsa, Utah, Texas Tech, North Texas, Mizzou, Kansas, Iowa State, Houston, Baylor...sounds like this kid should be in the C-USA, MAC, or Sun Belt.

If this is who we're down to fighting over DTs with, it's a problem.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Ditto on Charles Walker. His offer list: Colorado State, Houston, Iowa State, Louisiana Lafayette, New Mexico, New Mexico State, North Texas, and Texas State.

Kerrick Huggins: Colorado State, SMU, Texas A&M, Texas Tech

Quincy Russell: Baylor, Houston, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech.

How is it that we don't compete with Top 10 programs anymore for DT recruits?

[badger]

Not very impressive. We beat out who for this kid? Tulsa, Utah, Texas Tech, North Texas, Mizzou, Kansas, Iowa State, Houston, Baylor...sounds like this kid should be in the C-USA, MAC, or Sun Belt.

If this is who we're down to fighting over DTs with, it's a problem.
Mizzou is an SEC program now, on the caliber of Alabama. ;)

[OkieThunderLion]

Not very impressive. We beat out who for this kid? Tulsa, Utah, Texas Tech, North Texas, Mizzou, Kansas, Iowa State, Houston, Baylor...sounds like this kid should be in the C-USA, MAC, or Sun Belt.

If this is who we're down to fighting over DTs with, it's a problem.

OU beat out Duke and Tulsa for Dan Cody.

[Ruf/Nek7]

I know this doesn't make it much better but Walker was/is an injury risk and lost out on a lot of offers. Huggins is an academic concern and thus effects his offer list. You never know what these young men turn into in the end so i hope you are eating crow come 4 years from now.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Alright TDTW..Name off all the top rated High School DTs we have signed since 99..

[OkieThunderLion]

Alright TDTW..Name off all the top rated High School DTs we have signed since 99..

'00 J. Brown
'01 T. Harris
'05 D. Granger
'06 G. McCoy
'08 J. McFarland

J. Phillips and S. McGee are probably on the fringe of being included.

[lexsooner]

Maybe it's the average. In the email that I got, the site had him at 6'2 and 255. WTF??

http://oklahoma.scout.com/a.z?s=146&p=8&c=1&nid=6746265

Or maybe high school measurements and info on recruiting sites are all FOS. I swear the most accurate way to tell his general size is to try and compare him to the other players in those short video clips on Scout or Rivals.

[sooneron]

'00 J. Brown
'01 T. Harris
'05 D. Granger
'06 G. McCoy
'08 J. McFarland

J. Phillips and S. McGee are probably on the fringe of being included.

Let's see here...

'00 Moved to OT (which turned out to be a good thing for everyone)
'01 Great College DT
'05 Good, but not great career. Biggest noteworthy accomplishment was stealing a jacket
'06 Great DT
'07 Disappointment

Yep, maybe jkm is correct.

TDTW, I really hope that kids don't come to this site and read the crap that you're saying about them before they even set foot on the field!

[Tear Down This Wall]

Let's see here...

'00 Moved to OT (which turned out to be a good thing for everyone)
'01 Great College DT
'05 Good, but not great career. Biggest noteworthy accomplishment was stealing a jacket
'06 Great DT
'07 Disappointment

Yep, maybe jkm is correct.

TDTW, I really hope that kids don't come to this site and read the crap that you're saying about them before they even set foot on the field!

With offers from Louisiana Lafayette and North Texas, I just hope they can read at all.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Look, I can see taking a flyer on one guy who would be the **** of the walk in Lafayette or Denton...but, four?

[stoops the eternal pimp]

And I'm saying look at the list of DTs who were highly rated coming out of high school and look at the rest...Who do you think we were going against when ou was recruiting those 2-3 star DTs/DEs the last 13 years?

Thankfully we went ahead and recruited those guys despite the other schools in the running.

[sooneron]

I think it has also been mentioned that this is not a heavily loaded DT year. On scout, there are a whopping 5 5*s.

[sooneron]

Look, I can see taking a flyer on one guy who would be the **** of the walk in Lafayette or Denton...but, four?

Four? Huggins was a pretty solid ATM guy until we got him. Russell is a juco that had offers from Neb & TCU (good defensive minded schools. I think Bo and Carl know something about DTs) not to mention, a lot of schools don't go after jucos. We took him as a need to come in and compete right away. That leaves two guys that are 3 *s.

[Tear Down This Wall]

After watching Big Ten teams running roughshod over Nebraska, I'm not sure what Pelini's defensive line coach knows about the defensive line.

Pelini coached DBs and LBs before becoming a defensive coordinator. I'm sure the Nebraska fans who watched Ohio State and Wisconsin roll them for 63 and 70 points respectively were not confusing Pelini's defensive line offerings with those of Osborn and Solich.

And, TCU? Seriously? We saw what they are now that they have better competition than New Mexico and Wyoming.

Also, show what these 3-star recruits we are so wisely recruiting now are doing. You've told me the 5-star recruits aren't worth having. So, what about the 3-star? Torrea Peterson, Eric Humphrey, Daniel Noble, Damon Williams? They are lighting it up any better than Jamarkus McFarland?

When do we admit that we are lost when it comes to recruiting and developing DTs? Or, do we just pretend that we're not lost because we can beat Texas most of the time and win non-BCS bowl games?

[budbarrybob]

TDTW quit using reason and logic in your arguments.
Thank you. That is all.

[OkieThunderLion]

And, TCU? Seriously? We saw what they are now that they have better competition than New Mexico and Wyoming.


The best defense in the Big 12? :-(

[stoops the eternal pimp]

The best defense in the Big 12? :-(

Yeah..pretty sure they beat that wisconsin team in the rose bowl a year ago using those 2-3 star DTs.

[OkieThunderLion]

Also, show what these 3-star recruits we are so wisely recruiting now are doing. You've told me the 5-star recruits aren't worth having. So, what about the 3-star? Torrea Peterson, Eric Humphrey, Daniel Noble, Damon Williams? They are lighting it up any better than Jamarkus McFarland?


I think all of those guys, but Williams, were actually 4-stars.

[LakeRat]

After watching Big Ten teams running roughshod over Nebraska, I'm not sure what Pelini's defensive line coach knows about the defensive line.

Pelini coached DBs and LBs before becoming a defensive coordinator. I'm sure the Nebraska fans who watched Ohio State and Wisconsin roll them for 63 and 70 points respectively were not confusing Pelini's defensive line offerings with those of Osborn and Solich.

And, TCU? Seriously? We saw what they are now that they have better competition than New Mexico and Wyoming.

Also, show what these 3-star recruits we are so wisely recruiting now are doing. You've told me the 5-star recruits aren't worth having. So, what about the 3-star? Torrea Peterson, Eric Humphrey, Daniel Noble, Damon Williams? They are lighting it up any better than Jamarkus McFarland?

When do we admit that we are lost when it comes to recruiting and developing DTs? Or, do we just pretend that we're not lost because we can beat Texas most of the time and win non-BCS bowl games?

Not disagreeing with your argument. But, Noble was tearing it up till he had to quit due to concussions.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

The development side? I definitely see that side of the argument..Just thinking we are recruiting wrong because of # of stars? Silly.

NFL draft

Bjoern Werner-top 4 player, probably 1st DE taken- 3 star
Demontre Moore-top 5 player, probably 2nd DE taken- 3 star
Star Lotulelei- top 5 player, probably 1st DT taken- 3 star

Jonathan Hankins, Kawann Short, Ansah- 1st round probables at 3 star..

[Mjcpr]

The development side? I definitely see that side of the argument..Just thinking we are recruiting wrong because of # of stars? Silly.

NFL draft

Bjoern Werner-top 4 player, probably 1st DE taken- 3 star
Demontre Moore-top 5 player, probably 2nd DE taken- 3 star
Star Lotulelei- top 5 player, probably 1st DT taken- 3 star

Jonathan Hankins, Kawann Short, Ansah- 1st round probables at 3 star..

Per the Rivals database for this year.....

3 star players: 1,292
5 star players: 34

[stoops the eternal pimp]

So, technically, we could be giving all of our schollies to 5 stars..Why shop elsewhere?

[Mjcpr]

So, technically, we could be giving all of our schollies to 5 stars..Why shop elsewhere?

Because they don't seem to want it?

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Why wouldn't a 5 star DT want to play in here or anywhere in the big 12?

[Mjcpr]

Why wouldn't a 5 star DT want to play in here or anywhere in the big 12?

They wouldn't, obviously.

You ask a lot of questions, sir.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Are you imposing a question limit?

Does this one count?

[Mjcpr]

Are you imposing a question limit?

Does this one count?

I have pondered it. In fact, I am still pondering.

Yes.

[sooneron]

Pat, I'm going to ask that you no longer post in this thread.

[sooneron]

The development side? I definitely see that side of the argument..Just thinking we are recruiting wrong because of # of stars? Silly.



THIS

[sooneron]

And if you're going to be concerned about any recruiting this year, it should be skewed more towards LBs.

[8timechamps]

And if you're going to be concerned about any recruiting this year, it should be skewed more towards LBs.

Agreed.

I have no issues with this year's class, but if I was going to point anything out as a negative, it'd be the lack of LBs.

[sooner KB]

Agreed.

I have no issues with this year's class, but if I was going to point anything out as a negative, it'd be the lack of LBs.

Especially considering the fact that it looks like OU is going to 3-4 defense next year.

[8timechamps]

Especially considering the fact that it looks like OU is going to 3-4 defense next year.

I've heard that rumor. It blows my mind, because that will require 4 LBs on the field. If it's true, that's going to be interesting.

[Curly Bill]

I think all of those guys, but Williams, were actually 4-stars.

Nope

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Nope was a 5 star.

[sooneron]

He was a 5 star but was dropped to a 4 when he committed to OU.

[Curly Bill]

Nope was a 5 star.

And yet never played a down for us!

Ima blame Schmiddy!

...and BV!

[Mjcpr]

And yet never played a down for us!

Ima blame Schmiddy!

...and BV!

Well, he played down for one of us.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

He lined up at first at defensive end but converted to tight end until they had to rename his position since he wasn't a true tight end any more.

[soonercastor]

we're moving to a 3-4 D, so these guys must be beasts

[Mjcpr]

He lined up at first at defensive end but converted to tight end until they had to rename his position since he wasn't a true tight end any more.

I remember him being capable at many positions but truly excelled at wide receiver and, on occasion, center.

Nowadays he's on the medical staff as a groin cramp massage specialist.

[OkieThunderLion]

Nope
4 star
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=3745650

4 star
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=4683086

4 star
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=4179222

3 star
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=3224130

[Curly Bill]

4 star
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=3745650

4 star
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=4683086

4 star
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=4179222

3 star
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=3224130


Scout sucks - I don't pay any attention to it. They're almost as bad as ESPN.

[8timechamps]

I remember him being capable at many positions but truly excelled at wide receiver and, on occasion, center.

Nowadays he's on the medical staff as a groin cramp massage specialist.

Wow, you have a short memory. After he acquired his unprecedented 3rd medical redshirt year, he was moved to CB. Why do you guys always seem to forget that?!

[OkieThunderLion]

Scout sucks - I don't pay any attention to it. They're almost as bad as ESPN.

Used to agree with that, but now I think they've bypassed Rivals in recruiting. They threw huge resources into scouting and evidently has paid off.

[REDREX]

Is Quincy Russell in school yet?

[Ruf/Nek7]

Is Quincy Russell in school yet?

No, I believe he is still waiting for clearance.

[REDREX]

Does it look like he will make it? or is he going to be like the two last year

[8timechamps]

Does it look like he will make it? or is he going to be like the two last year

It's a waiting game for everyone (except Russell). The issue appears to be with an online math class that some schools accept (as transferable credits) and some do not. Right now, he is expected to be in Norman by the time incoming freshmen/JUCO players are supposed to report.

[HAMTTX]

It is still a numbers game. If what we hear about the likes of Saban oversigning to gain an advantage is true. You almost have to accept the fact that it is not that he is a better evaluator of talent then say a Bob or Mack. As it is running high numbers of potential players through YOUR program to see who can mature into a high quality player. What a kid did at 18 at his high school means very little. What coaches need to know is how a player competes against a known standard, which in this case is his own team. Then you toss out those that don't work out and bring in more. This is the wash, rinse repeat method that has a much higher success rate than using how many stars, or potential a player may have.

Until OU and Texas recruit the same way there is no hope of playing with them. So why sweat it.