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MR2-Sooner86

1/14/2013, 08:02 AM

Printable 30 round magazines.

http://youtu.be/q10Jz2qIog8

Printable AR lowers. (http://youtu.be/RFhIxey5AXM)

Soon anybody with a printer will be able to go to Pirate Bay, Silk Road, or any parts of the dark web to get any firearm they want, anywhere they want.

Freedom of information and of the people.

F*ck to the yes!

These guys are located here:http://defensedistributed.com/.

They're not the only ones though. There are many, many more doing the same thing but they're just not as open about it.

MR2-Sooner86

5/3/2013, 08:29 PM

This Is The World's First Entirely 3D-Printed Gun (http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/03/this-is-the-worlds-first-entirely-3d-printed-gun-photos/)

Soonerjeepman

5/4/2013, 08:52 AM

MR2-Sooner86

5/4/2013, 10:08 AM

you have a 3D printer? those are about $5K right? It is amazing what can be done. A buddy of mine that worked for IBM a few yrs ago talked to some students of mine about this..(not guns) but printing a computer piece or something. Talking about taking minutes/hours to deliver something overseas via 3D printing.

Of course the law makers are going bat $hit crazy...funny thing is AGAIN, do you think the real criminals are going to follow the rules? NOPE

I do not have a 3D printer but I've found this whole thing interesting.

There are now 3D printed clothes (http://m.ecouterre.com/ecouterre/#!/entry/which-3dprinted-dress-would-you-rather-wear,5137cd2ed7fc7b56705ae296). There are also folks trying to make open source, cheap, rebuildable 3D printers for the masses (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1738994529/kikori-open-source-cnc-gantry-router?ref=tag) to kick start what many are seeing as a second industrial revolution.

The fact that guns are now computer files means politicians will now have to censor and control the Internet. Even the young generation who is pro-government and pro-gun control have been very vocal in "keeping the hands out of the Internet" so it'll be interesting to see this all unfold.

MR2-Sooner86

5/4/2013, 05:24 PM

Staples will start selling 3D printers starting at $1299. (http://mashable.com/2013/05/03/staples-3d-printers/)

MR2-Sooner86

5/6/2013, 06:22 PM

Download today.

http://youtu.be/drPz6n6UXQY

jkjsooner

5/7/2013, 09:57 AM

I do not have a 3D printer but I've found this whole thing interesting.

There are now 3D printed clothes (http://m.ecouterre.com/ecouterre/#!/entry/which-3dprinted-dress-would-you-rather-wear,5137cd2ed7fc7b56705ae296). There are also folks trying to make open source, cheap, rebuildable 3D printers for the masses (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1738994529/kikori-open-source-cnc-gantry-router?ref=tag) to kick start what many are seeing as a second industrial revolution.

I was reading an article about how NASA could someday use this technology to build structures on the moon or mars. They could send one 3d printer which would replicate itself many times and then begin printing whatever it needed (using local materials as the raw materials) to build the structures. It makes sense since payload cost is tremendous.

Of course this is a long ways off. Right now they can use a 3d printer to print parts for another 3d printer but aren't close to actually making a 3d printer from an existing 3d printer. (Think of all the electronics/chips/wires involved. It's a lot more complex than building a mechanical device.) But, anyway, if we did get to that point then the technology could grow exponentially (literally since the rate of growth is proportional to the number that exist at any moment).

jkjsooner

5/7/2013, 10:10 AM

As far as the printable magazine, I'm guessing a magazine isn't incredibly hard for someone to make anyway. That would not render the law useless as it would still be illegal to possess one.

This is where you and I will disagree I'm sure. It's my impression that lots of bad guys are arrested on gun charges alone. Police put away a lot of gangbangers because of gun violations. (And, yes, I know that rifles with magazines aren't the preferred weapon of gangbangers.)

I'm not arguing whether that is justified or not but it is something that conveniently gets ignored.

TheHumanAlphabet

5/7/2013, 12:35 PM

jkj - your point is what most people have been making all along. We already have the laws on the books to arrest bad guys with guns. We DO NOT NEED to violate the Constitution and make law abiding gun owners criminals or restrict their right to a Constitutional Guaranteed Right.

KABOOKIE

5/7/2013, 10:06 PM

jkjsooner

5/8/2013, 09:00 AM

Exactly. The stupid laws are the ones on the book that make just possessing a gun a crime. Ala good citizen Joe, who pays taxes and has never had any criminal history is arrested in Penssylvania for caryying a long gun in his vehicle without a license. Stupid. Citizen Joe /= Criminal Jaquayquay.

What do you mean by "exactly"? What you're saying doesn't exactly agree with Alphabet's post unless Alphabet conveniently left out the fact that he doesn't like the existing laws either.

If I had a guess, I'd guess that you and Alphabet are in agreement. You both dislike the existing gun laws.

If true then my point is still valid. Our gun laws are used to get a lot of bad guys off the street. To say that the laws only impact law abiding citizens (I'll ignore the oxymoron for argument's sake) ignores the reality that we see in the inner cities.

TheHumanAlphabet

5/8/2013, 09:32 AM

Yes and gun deaths nationwide are down 40% since 1993. Inner cities are in no case likened to the subburbs or rural America. That is a red herring.

MR2-Sooner86

5/8/2013, 09:55 AM

That would not render the law useless as it would still be illegal to possess one.

Yeah, it'd be useless. People who grow and use marijuana, which is also illegal to possess, do so in their homes on their private property. They don't go around flashing. Well, some do but most don't. Same would be the case for printed guns.

This is where you and I will disagree I'm sure. It's my impression that lots of bad guys are arrested on gun charges alone. Police put away a lot of gangbangers because of gun violations. (And, yes, I know that rifles with magazines aren't the preferred weapon of gangbangers.)

I'm not arguing whether that is justified or not but it is something that conveniently gets ignored.

Except, they really don't.

Most people in prison are there for drugs.

They aren't arrested for the guns. They're arrested for selling or transporting narcotics. They're armed because that's the only protection in a black market. Oh they can get firearms charges but the gun laws had nothing to do with putting them in prison.

olevetonahill

5/10/2013, 05:07 AM

Well if ya dint get it downloaded yet yer outt a luck.
Seems the fed stepped in and claimed THEY control that Info. and shut em down for now
This is gonna get interesting

This message is posted in a red banner at the top of the DEFCAD website along with the sentence "Until further notice, the United States government claims control of the information."

http://news.yahoo.com/3d-printed-gun-designs-gone-dark-wiki-weapons-040011463.html

MR2-Sooner86

5/10/2013, 06:46 AM

Once on the Internet, forever on the Internet. Their whole catalog is on torrent sites like Pirate Bay and are even more popular now due to this.

Dumb@ss Feds.

olevetonahill

5/10/2013, 06:52 AM

Once on the Internet, forever on the Internet. Their whole catalog is on torrent sites like Pirate Bay and are even more popular now due to this.

Dumb@ss Feds.

Yea I figured if a person wants it they can find it.

olevetonahill

5/10/2013, 06:55 AM

MR2-Sooner86

5/10/2013, 07:10 AM

I wonder has any one figured the Cost of one of those?

Sounds good but looks like ya gotta buy the Printer. then what ever stuff it uses to print the thing with, Then put it together . Does it last more than ONE shot?
Hell fer a Lot cheaper I can make a Zip gun out of scrap.

The printer they use is around $9,000 but you can get printers as cheap as $1,500. They're not as good though. People are out there though trying to bring high quality printers to the masses for a cheap price. As with anything new, it takes time for the price to come down.

Obviously, it's cheaper to just go buy a pistol but it's more the idea behind this.

Pure unchecked, uncontrolled, unregulated and open liberty for all.

olevetonahill

5/10/2013, 07:14 AM

The printer they use is around $9,000 but you can get printers as cheap as $1,500. They're not as good though. People are out there though trying to bring high quality printers to the masses for a cheap price. As with anything new, it takes time for the price to come down.

Obviously, it's cheaper to just go buy a pistol but it's more the idea behind this.

Pure unchecked, uncontrolled, unregulated and open liberty for all.

Oh Im all for it. I just wonder when will the Cost become acceptable?
And How durable are thes things .
Like I said If a chep easy to make gun is all a person wants we made those Zip guns when I was in High school.

olevetonahill

5/10/2013, 07:22 AM

A quick search.

http://www.weaponscombat.com/zip-pipe-and-pen-guns

MR2-Sooner86

5/10/2013, 07:26 AM

Oh Im all for it. I just wonder when will the Cost become acceptable?
And How durable are thes things .
Like I said If a chep easy to make gun is all a person wants we made those Zip guns when I was in High school.

The Liberator (all 3D printed gun) lasted 11 rounds when they showed it to the media.

The AR lowers they printed last about 600 rounds.