Official Cotton Bowl Thread: OU vs Texas A&M (2012)

[KABOOKIE]

On fire I tell ya

[One4OU]

Will the band please STFU?

[MyT Oklahoma]

Not even the same kind of game....

Yeah I know. I was being sarcastic. We were beat at halftime in 2006. Tonight we lasted until the third quarter before disappearing. I guess we are improving. LOL

[olevetonahill]

Some of Yall should Bow down to Phil for shutting down the Bolivian Travel agency.:very_drunk:

[Socrefbek]

I think I'll go watch "Les Miserables" and cheer up ...

[PhiDeltBeers]

4th and 18. Lol!

[nBoSTP]

When did Bob Stoops turn into John Blake?

[StoopTroup]

Refs are going to allow 1-2 second muggings on our WRs from here on out.

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

This is really ****ing ridiculous.

[One4OU]

Changing the play with seconds left on the game clock and then getting a penalty sums up our coaching staff the last several years.

[SoonerMachine]

I agree. That is why I will allow M. stoops time to recruit better players. Venables left the LB cupboard bare.

Agreed

[MyT Oklahoma]

Anybody remember the 2001 BCS National Championship Bowl Game? Damn we had a great defense once upon a time.

[misplaced_sooner]

If you count the money you save on booze in 45 days you'll probably make money.


Ya, I know.

[PhiDeltBeers]

And here comes 41-13.

[olevetonahill]

Will the band please STFU?

Its Called "Mute the ****in TeeVee"

[OU68]

And the ****ty ACC refs are showing up.

block in back on eatmes last TD not called, hold which wasn't a hold on replay called on OU.

PI on 3rd and long not c.alled.
We need to win it on the field, not rely on the refs...

[SoonerKnight]

Somebody slap that smirk off his face.

[MamaMia]

This is hard to watch

[mcraney]

That Johnny Football...he's good

[soonerfan69]

Someone please knock this sumbich threw the turf

[EatLeadCommie]

And the ****ty ACC refs are showing up.

block in back on eatmes last TD not called, hold which wasn't a hold on replay called on OU.

PI on 3rd and long not c.alled.

We got pretty much every call early when the game was not in doubt.

[football1990]

Another prime time stinker for OU!!

[HolaKyle]

Refs are going to allow 1-2 second muggings on our WRs from here on out.

Muggings? That is just tough SEC defense! lol

[OU_Sooners75]

How do u catch a punt on the 12 and the ball gets spotted at the 13?
God knows OU is sucking it up big time this second half. But these refs have determined they would take over the game.

No hold on Sxaunders. No PI called. And no Block in the back, all in a span of 2 series that all aided A&M.

Oh well... as an Okie Lite fan would say, there is always nexst year.

[soonerdo]

Looks like a NFL game when a old beaten down team playing up and coming team.

[PhiDeltBeers]

Too bad that wasn't the end of the game.

[One4OU]

Someone please knock this sumbich threw the turf

We dont have anyone that is qualified for that role.

[HolaKyle]

Somebody slap that smirk off his face.

Please!

[soonervegas]

Are the usual peeps pumping the sunshine tonight?

[OU_Sooners75]

On fire I tell ya

You're right...you're on fire for being a ****ing tool!

[StoopTroup]

This is hard to watch

Especially with all the personal meltdowns from folks who only follow Teams who only win. I guess they can go buy some ND Jerseys now.

[MyT Oklahoma]

We need a hard core lineup. Us fans are the actives and the OU coaches are the pledges. Look at the candle maggots.

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

Fantastic game? Must be an aggy

[KABOOKIE]

It's just a bowl game folks.

[StoopTroup]

Are the usual peeps pumping the sunshine tonight?

Haven't seen any but I have seen quite a few over reactions.

[diverdog]

I thought we had A&M's defense on their heels in the second quarter. Shows how much I know about football.

[KABOOKIE]

You're right...you're on fire for being a ****ing tool!

Right and you want stoops run out of town and think we are in the Blake years. Johhny Toolbag.

[soonervegas]

Haven't seen any but I have seen quite a few over reactions.

I'll take that as a yes.

[FaninAma]

Why jump in the air. Just run through the GD QB. Take your shots at the kid.

[OU_Sooners75]

When did Bob Stoops turn into John Blake?

When he decided the best coaching hires where from his inner circle.

[MyT Oklahoma]

Especially with all the personal meltdowns from folks who only follow Teams who only win. I guess they can go buy some ND Jerseys now.

No offense to you or anyone else here tonight but I've been an OU since 1971 and when I see crap I don't like it. I don't critisize our players but our grossly overpaid coaches are fair game. And tonight they suck.

[Socrefbek]

Somebody slap that smirk off his face.

A good helmet-to-helmet hit or shot to the knee should do the trick

[goingoneight]

Hats off to Sumlin. They're doing this to us. Sad thing is we're letting it be worse than it should be, though.

[SoonerKnight]

D finally showed up.

[OU68]

Especially with all the personal meltdowns from folks who only follow Teams who only win. I guess they can go buy some ND Jerseys now.

No, I was here during Blake - we can't score inside the 20, we throw on 3rd & 1 - sorry, that is pathetic.

[OU_Sooners75]

We need to win it on the field, not rely on the refs...

That's what you got out of that?

Good god captain obvious!

[PhiDeltBeers]

No offense to you or anyone else here tonight but I've been an OU since 1971 and when I see crap I don't like it. I don't critisize our players b ut our grossly overpaid coaches are fair game. And tonight they suck.


This. Absolutely no adjustments.

[WA. Sooner]

To bad we return brown back to PSU with this game.

[Judge Smails]

Almost bought tickets to this POS. Glad I didn't. Actually, I wish I had, and then sold them.

[SoonerMachine]

When he decided the best coaching hires where from his inner circle.

agreed

[football1990]

A&M halftime adjustments worked & ours did not!!

[PhiDeltBeers]

Only need 3 TDs to tie guys....lets not give up now.

[goingoneight]

White flag playcalling

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

Sorry stoop loses to his to his former boss, and his former employee

[KABOOKIE]

Only need 3 TDs to tie guys....lets not give up now.

Landry can do it.

[misplaced_sooner]

A good helmet-to-helmet hit or shot to the knee should do the trick

Alittle much don't you think? If you were a 19 year freshman kicking the **** out of a storied program on national tv a month after winning the Heisman you'd be smiling too.

[soonercastor]

we're taking our sweet time between plays.

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

A&M halftime adjustments worked & ours did not!!

That's bc we didn't make any

[Sabanball]

Can we trade these guys back to the Big 12?

[soonercastor]

lol wtf are we doing

[OU_Sooners75]

Right and you want stoops run out of town and think we are in the Blake years. Johhny Toolbag.

Reading comprehension fails you again.

But what else is new coming from a dumbass?

[KABOOKIE]

Another Shaq style flat pass by LJ

[football1990]

Apparently This game hurts!!!

[OU68]

Landry can do it.

Long as it's outside the 20...

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

Perfect. 3rd and 3, we pass ot, and it's knocked down at the line

[soonervegas]

Raises all around....co Big 12 champs in the house!

[PhiDeltBeers]

Nice

[SoonerKnight]

We really suck.

[FaninAma]

That's the Landry we all know and love.

[tulsaoilerfan]

Thank god this is Landry's last game

[KABOOKIE]

Reading comprehension fails you again.

But what else is new coming from a dumbass?

Dude of all the idiots on this board you rank #****ing1 in retardation.

[SCOUT]

You could almost see Landry let a little pee go on that fourth down.

[fadada1]

i waited over a month to watch this ****?????? have a good evening folks. time for sleep.

[football1990]

And I am officially crying in my beer!!

[misplaced_sooner]

Game. Over.

Goodnight I'm going to a movie with my wife. Probably the notebook or some ****, but its better than watching a team I love get blown out again.

[KABOOKIE]

Long as it's outside the 20...

No no. Landry is great. I've heard it time and time again.

[nBoSTP]

It is quite obvious we need some new OL,DL,LB and a QB that isn't a sitting duck in the pocket. Other than that we are fine.

[JLEW1818]

Raises all around....co Big 12 champs in the house!

Yep, so pathetic how we claim that.

[zeke]

OU coaching staff look stupid. Hell, I believe they are

[MyT Oklahoma]

Almost bought tickets to this POS. Glad I didn't. Actually, I wish I had, and then sold them.

Good one. Thanks for the laugh. LOL

[PhiDeltBeers]

We REALLY suck.


FIFY

[FaninAma]

Looks like TAMU is thriving in the SEC. Meanwhile OU is morphing into a WAC team along with the rest of the conference.

[tulsaoilerfan]

Especially with all the personal meltdowns from folks who only follow Teams who only win. I guess they can go buy some ND Jerseys now.

Hey if you are okay with getting their asses handed to them on national tv then more power to you; OU has served up nothing but stinkers in the last decade of bowl games when they have played elite opponents; keep giving them your money suckers!!

[KABOOKIE]

Looks like TAMU is thriving in the SEC. Meanwhile OU is morphing into a WAC team along with the rest of the conference.

No way. We could have easily lost two games in the sec

[One4OU]

41-13 in 5...4... 3......

[FaninAma]

2 words Bobby.....Running QB.

[tulsaoilerfan]

Hopefully this will be Heupel's last game also; can someone hire him as a head coach? Anyone?

[MyT Oklahoma]

We really suck.

No, tonight we really and truly suck I think. Film at 11.

[KABOOKIE]

Hopefully this will be Heupel's last game also; can someone hire him as a head coach? Anyone?

I don't think East Popcorn State was interested.

[FaninAma]

You could almost see Landry let a little pee go on that fourth down.
He definitely dislikes contact.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

may need to leave to go see Mariachi Gringo.
This game is hard to take.



http://www.sjiff.com/sjiff2013/mariachi.html

[Sabanball]

Thank god this is Landry's last game

Can't blame this one on him. This kid deserved the heisman.

[Sooner02]

I'm so sick and tire of this bull**** year after year in bowl games.

[One4OU]

41-13 in 5...4... 3......


48-13 in......

[Judge Smails]

The only good thing: It won't be 77-0.

But it may be close.....

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Can't expect Landry to teach the D how to tackle.

[MyT Oklahoma]

41-13 in 5...4... 3......

Right you are.

[nBoSTP]

Bring back switzer God D@mn it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sabanball]

What I want to know is how in the heck did this team lose to UF and the corndogs?

[tulsaoilerfan]

Can't blame this one on him. This kid deserved the heisman.

Have you seen the offense in the second half? Landry has played like ****

[goingoneight]

I know we aren't missing much personnel-wise, but the arrests and stuff the last few weeks are showing in the attitude of the team tonight. They aren't good to begin with... but giving up 49-56 like this? Pathetic.

[tulsaoilerfan]

I'm so sick and tire of this bull**** year after year in bowl games.

No it's only in bowl games against good teams; we own the crappy ones lol

[FaninAma]

I assume the receiver can come back into the field of play if bumped by the DB. Why not just knock him all the way out. Ourguys are just so technically unsound.

[Sooner02]

This game is NOT an anomaly in bowls. We've seen this horror movie before, WAY too many times. Something has to change, I don't know what, I'm not getting paid to determine that, but something has to change.

[SoonerMachine]

When does Stoops contract end? I know, I know when HE says it does...

[soonerdo]

SEC owns OU plain and simple

[SoonerKnight]

Have you seen the D cuz I miss them. Tell them to come back I'm sorry.

[Sooner02]

This is a huge embarrassment. Fans should demand a lot better than this.

[soonercastor]

can't wait for the sec chants in a few minutes

[tulsaoilerfan]

This is a huge embarrassment. Fans should demand a lot better than this.

The coaches should demand a lot better than this

[One4OU]

I know we aren't missing much personnel-wise, but the arrests and stuff the last few weeks are showing in the attitude of the team tonight. They aren't good to begin with... but giving up 49-56 like this? Pathetic.

Looks like the same team I have been watching the last several years.

Nothing new...

[cjames317]

All I see is Landry blowing fake snow at the camera like in his Christmas photo with his missus. He doesn't even pretend to care anymore.

[FaninAma]

No way. We could have easily lost two games in the sec
That's not what I am saying. TAMU seems to have stepped it up, especially on defense. Meanwhile OU has gone backwards playing in a finesse conference.

[SoonerorLater]

Did we do any preparation for this game? Practice or anything?

[SCOUT]

This is a huge embarrassment. Fans should demand a lot better than this.

I demand better than this.

What is the score now? Did it work?

[soonerdo]

Not gonna get any better anytime soon.

[Edmond Sooner]

Sad stuff.

[MyT Oklahoma]

I'm so sick and tire of this bull**** year after year in bowl games.

^^ This. Bob, Mike, Josh, you name them, are f****** worthless.

Same thing for anyone pumping sunshine tonight. We all have our own opnions and I am glad that all of you are Sooners. But I am so damn sick and tired of Bob's shortcomings. He is not hungry any more and $4.5+ million is way more than he's worth.

[Sooner02]

Quit ranking us in the top 5 preseason, quit the hype during offseason. We suck and until we prove otherwise that is who we are.

[8timechamps]

If you want to put the blame on someone, point the finger at Baylor's offensive coordinator. He's the guy that discovered the gaping vagina in our defensive scheme. after which any team with a capable offense could fully penetrate.

[soonervegas]

SEC owns OU plain and simple

1-4 in bowls and that win was against a totally outmanned Arky team to the tune of 10-3

[FaninAma]

This is the most unphysical team ever in OU history.....including the Blake years.

[PMKMDJ]

Seriously, did people really expect to win? Did you guys watch our D against WVU and OSU? I love the Sooners and I couldn't even get my homer glasses on enough to see us winning. Hell, we should have lost to UTEP.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

I'm going to go watch Requium for a Dream to cheer myself up.

http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/top10/depressing-movies/10.jpg

[aurorasooner]

Cheeeet. I'm through with it tonight. I've got the highest respect for Heupel as a QB and as a QB coach. However as an OC and play caller, not so much. We knew we had to score a lot of points tonight and kept running that ridiculous up the middle running play from the one back set and throwing it east and west. Geeez. either throw the ball every down or get Millard in the game and run the ball downhill. Just pitful, pitiful 3rd quarter play calling on offense, which put our average defense in a terrible hole. Bad game management directly from the top. Fake a punt, run a double reverse, do something that's not so conventional and stale.

[StoopTroup]

When does Stoops contract end? I know, I know when HE says it does...

I'd say if there was a better time to leave for the Pros....this is it.

It surely seems like folks who have been OU Fans (?) are ready for him to leave. I'd bet the the NFL would snap him up pretty quick and evidently we are so ready that we would gladly payout a good portion of his Contract to get him to go.

[Sabanball]

This game is NOT an anomaly in bowls. We've seen this horror movie before, WAY too many times. Something has to change, I don't know what, I'm not getting paid to determine that, but something has to change.

Not that it would have made a difference tonight, but you guys need a D--like you had back in the early 2000's and that got you in the BCS CG 4 times, as others on here have said.

[Boomer Mooner]

Looks like TAMU is thriving in the SEC. Meanwhile OU is morphing into a WAC team along with the rest of the conference.

A&M is thriving with Manziel. Just like Auburn with Cam Newton. It will pass. We're weak this year in some spots and mediocre in others...even Switzer said we just don't have the horses this year. This isn't one of our great years but that will eventually change as well.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Compared to this game, Old Yeller had a happy ending.

[Sabanball]

I'd say if there was a better time to leave for the Pros....this is it.

It surely seems like folks who have been OU Fans (?) are ready for him to leave. I'd bet the the NFL would snap him up pretty quick and evidently we are so ready that we would gladly payout a good portion of his Contract to get him to go.

You're joking, right? This man has taken you to the big game 4 times. Do you know how hard that is to do?

[SoonerKnight]

We will be better next year. Even in down years we have good years.

[goingoneight]

Two dropped TD passes for all those hating on Landry. LJ is as responsible for this as Sam was for the WVU beat down in 2008. Literally. OU's defense is no better than UTEP's. Think about that for a moment.

[MyT Oklahoma]

Not that it would have made a difference tonight, but you guys need a D--like you had back in the early 2000's and that got you in the BCS CG 4 times, as others on here have said.

Really? LOL

Sorry but I need something to laugh about right now so I don't start crying. When I think about past OU bowl before Stoops the last 9 year's worth make me cry nearly every time with very few exceptions. OU has gone so downhill since 2003. No excuses either.

[JLEW1818]

Always a 2-4 loss team going forward.

[salth2o]

Compared to this game, Old Yeller had a happy ending.

YEP!

[Soonerjeepman]

finally had to turn the sound off....the slobbering on jm's nutts is sickening. The kid is quick and has a better pass than I thought. Our off is so predictable. Our D has NO anger...ah well, we have bball to look forward to... LOL.

[Boomer.....]

*sigh

[PMKMDJ]

You're joking, right? This man has taken you to the big game 4 times. Do you know how hard that is to do?

The last time when? The last time we've had a legit chance to win a title? Getting boat raced by USC is supposed to be a great thing? No one cares about the past, let's talk about the present state of things. We got rid of Wilson and Venables, still can't get it done. What hasn't changed?

[SanJoaquinSooner]

let bell in at this point.

[MyT Oklahoma]

Two dropped TD passes for all those hating on Landry. LJ is as responsible for this as Sam was for the WVU beat down in 2008. Literally. OU's defense is no better than UTEP's. Think about that for a moment.

Well I don't hate LJ. He is a class act who sometimes makes silly mistakes. But he is a good man, a good football player and he has a good heart. I wish him only the best.

Our coaches though are a different story. LOL

[Edmond Sooner]

You're joking, right? This man has taken you to the big game 4 times. Do you know how hard that is to do?

Swap?

[MyT Oklahoma]

Compared to this game, Old Yeller had a happy ending.

Good one and right when I needed a good laugh. Please keep it up. LOL

[FaninAma]

Lets see if Bob's former protege tries to run the score. Looks like it.

[Sooner98]

Wow, we are really getting plunger-raped tonight. Welcome to a long, sustained era of chronic mediocrity, Sooner fans.

[Judge Smails]

let bell in at this point.


This.

The Landry Jones era is now over. Let's start building on the Blake Bell era.

[nighttrain12]

let bell in at this point.

This is Landry's last game, let him finish it out. Bell's time is next season. I don't want his last play to be that weak sack he took.

[PMKMDJ]

Lets see if Bob's former protege tries to run the score. Looks like it.

How do we know if he's running it up...we can't stop anyone if they try or not.

[SanDiegoSoonerGal]

Mr Gal and I just figured out that we separately concluded that JM looks like Horshack. /random

[MyT Oklahoma]

This is Landry's last game, let him finish it out. Bell's time is next season. I don't want his last play to be that weak sack he took.

I agree.

P.S. Nice rack. Really nice rack.

[Sooner98]

Yet another 600 yard effort by our Swiss cheese defense. Remember when that never happened? Those were cool times.

[5noubus]

let bell in at this point.


This.

The Landry Jones era is now over. Let's start building on the Blake Bell era.

He's not helping his career at this point

[FaninAma]

We will be better next year. Even in down years we have good years.
I agree. We need to get a couple of good juco LBs if they are availabe.


Manziel would not have started at OU even next year.

[StoopTroup]

The last time when? The last time we've had a legit chance to win a title? Getting boat raced by USC is supposed to be a great thing? No one cares about the past, let's talk about the present state of things. We got rid of Wilson and Venables, still can't get it done. What hasn't changed?

I still have a problem with all of this "FIRE SOMEONE" attitude. You add that to Bob losing guys to HC jobs and he's rolling over Staff that I wish we could depend on loyalty to keep. In the case of Brent Venables. It's pretty hard to keep him as DC and then give your Brother 1.5 million to work underneath him. Bob made that call and Brent took a job offer that got him a raise. That's partly why it's become tough to keep Asst Coaches and guys underneath Assts as Assistants are now getting some serious money to leave and help HCs all over the Country.

Look at the effect it's having on keeping quality guys on a staff. I think Bob will turn it around if the Monster here doesn't lose their damn mind but from what I'm seeing tonight....logic and good sense seems to be taking a back seat to pride and worrying about what some aggie or other Teams Fan has to say to folks on Monday Morning.

[MyT Oklahoma]

How do we know if he's running it up...we can't stop anyone if they try or not.

Yeah I agree. But who really cares right now? If they can keep scoring on us it just goes to illustrate.. "What goes around comes around."

[PMKMDJ]

Yet another 600 yard effort by our Swiss cheese defense. Remember when that never happened? Those were cool times.

It's starting to become all I do remember

[Soonerjeepman]

How do we know if he's running it up...we can't stop anyone if they try or not.

no ****...and I HATE cocky players...and jm is one for sure but man if that is what it takes to win then maybe we need to go that route.

[Judge Smails]

This is Landry's last game, let him finish it out. Bell's time is next season. I don't want his last play to be that weak sack he took.


Yeah, I guess you are right....

[KABOOKIE]

Landry finishes his career in the same venue he started it and pretty much in the same fashion.

[FaninAma]

The funny thing about running QBs is that they do not thrive at the next level.

[MyT Oklahoma]

I still have a problem with all of this "FIRE SOMEONE" attitude. You add that to Bob losing guys to HC jobs and he's rolling over Staff that I wish we could depend on loyalty to keep. In the case of Brent Venables. It's pretty hard to keep him as DC and then give your Brother 1.5 million to work underneath him. Bob made that call and Brent took a job offer that got him a raise. That's partly why it's become tough to keep Asst Coaches and guys underneath Assts as Assistants are now getting some serious money to leave and help HCs all over the Country.

Look at the effect it's having on keeping quality guys on a staff. I think Bob will turn it around if the Monster here doesn't lose their damn mind but from what I'm seeing tonight....logic and good sense seems to be taking a back seat to pride and worrying about what some aggie or other Teams Fan has to say to folks on Monday Morning.

No, I am just pissed. LOL

[nBoSTP]

Great Job coaching tonight by Sumlin. OU coaching staff you suck D!ck

[SoonerKnight]

Johnnies best sport isn't football. **** them.

[SicEmBaylor]

The funny thing about running QBs is that they do not thrive at the next level.

This man says, 'hi'.
http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/game-on/2012/09/10/griffingx-wide-community.jpg

[Tulsa_Fireman]

The funny thing about running QBs is that they do not thrive at the next level.

RGIII and Randall Cunningham called.

[FaninAma]

How do we know if he's running it up...we can't stop anyone if they try or not.
Good point. And itdoes look like he called off the dogs.

[Judge Smails]

Erin Andrews voice = fingernails on a chalk board

[MyT Oklahoma]

Okay.. 41 to 13.. no second half points.. and we blew two red zone scoring chances in the first half. Goal to goal scoring chances no less. Sweet.

Good night John Boy, I am outta here.

[PMKMDJ]

I still have a problem with all of this "FIRE SOMEONE" attitude. You add that to Bob losing guys to HC jobs and he's rolling over Staff that I wish we could depend on loyalty to keep. In the case of Brent Venables. It's pretty hard to keep him as DC and then give your Brother 1.5 million to work underneath him. Bob made that call and Brent took a job offer that got him a raise. That's partly why it's become tough to keep Asst Coaches and guys underneath Assts as Assistants are now getting some serious money to leave and help HCs all over the Country.

Look at the effect it's having on keeping quality guys on a staff. I think Bob will turn it around if the Monster here doesn't lose their damn mind but from what I'm seeing tonight....logic and good sense seems to be taking a back seat to pride and worrying about what some aggie or other Teams Fan has to say to folks on Monday Morning.

I would love to be able to keep a staff together and don't begrudge anyone moving on. I take issue with hiring friends and family over more qualified people. Josh did a lot for OU, but was he the best guy we could hire at OC? Not even close...that's why we are where we are. We are trending towards Nebraska, hire untested or staff that we have ties to and aren't ready for the job. If people can honestly say Josh was the best choice at OC or Kittle was the best hire than you should be happy. I think we could and should have hired more qualified people. Bob makes those choices.

[Soonerjeepman]

The funny thing about running QBs is that they do not thrive at the next level.

agree...JM won't make the pros...but THIS is college football and I really could care less about what the Sooners do in the pros. Yes it's great to have that reputation, but I'd rather win college games.

I know you know this is college.

[Sabanball]

This man says, 'hi'.
http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/game-on/2012/09/10/griffingx-wide-community.jpg


Ouch!

[12]

Strange consolation prize.

The kid is what he is.

[FaninAma]

RGIII and Randall Cunningham called.
Randall Cunningham won what? RGiII has already been hurt and the greatest running QB of all time, Ron Mexico, was basically on the downside of his career due to injuries even before the dog fighting charges.

Running QBs just do not thrive in the NFL.

[Edmond Sooner]

Erin Andrews voice = fingernails on a chalk board

It's not her voice I'm paying attention to when Erin Andrews is on the screen.

[Soonerfan85]

The funny thing about running QBs is that they do not thrive at the next level.

seriously, who cares about what he might or might not do in the nfl. that kid is making us look stupid.

how about we go recruit a qb that can outrun and yugo with 4 flat tires

[Boomer Mooner]

I still have a problem with all of this "FIRE SOMEONE" attitude. You add that to Bob losing guys to HC jobs and he's rolling over Staff that I wish we could depend on loyalty to keep. In the case of Brent Venables. It's pretty hard to keep him as DC and then give your Brother 1.5 million to work underneath him. Bob made that call and Brent took a job offer that got him a raise. That's partly why it's become tough to keep Asst Coaches and guys underneath Assts as Assistants are now getting some serious money to leave and help HCs all over the Country.

Look at the effect it's having on keeping quality guys on a staff. I think Bob will turn it around if the Monster here doesn't lose their damn mind but from what I'm seeing tonight....logic and good sense seems to be taking a back seat to pride and worrying about what some aggie or other Teams Fan has to say to folks on Monday Morning.

Best post tonight. I'm wearing my Crimson and Cream tomorrow and looking forward to next year.

[FaninAma]

This man says, 'hi'.
http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/game-on/2012/09/10/griffingx-wide-community.jpg
You're smarter than that. Which running QB is now in the HoF? Fran Tarkington but that was a different era when you didn't have 250 LBs who ran 4.5 forty's.

you think RGIII is going to stand up to the type of punishment he got this year if he continues Shanahan continues to run him?

[Sabanball]

No shame in losing this one, guys. Johnny SEC--sorry, mean Manzie;)l-- is just THAT good and a rare talent. At least you don't have to play him the next 3 yrs like we do....

[PMKMDJ]

I can deal with losing, but being humiliated just plain sucks. Outside of the winner of Monday's game everyone failed, but damn watching people run all over you hurts.

[12]

Sumlin is awesome. Gotta like him.

[Edmond Sooner]

We just got humiliated by the Texas ******' Aggies - the worst Baja Oklahoma has to offer for all sorts of reasons unrelated to football. Not going to listen to sunshine pumping tonight.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Randall Cunningham won what? RGiII has already been hurt and the greatest running QB of all time, Ron Mexico, was basically on the downside of his career due to injuries even before the dog fighting charges.

Running QBs just do not thrive in the NFL.

Seriously? You just called Michael Vick the greatest running quarterback of all time?

Michael Vick is/was Johnny Manziel with an arm. Check, check, go. And to ****** on Randall Cunningham who spent what, 5000 years in the league when the point was, I believe "viability", now magically transitioning to "thrive-ability"?

Do you just make this **** up or are you feeling extra bold from the politic board?

[FaninAma]

seriously, who cares about what he might or might not do in the nfl. that kid is making us look stupid.

how about we go recruit a qb that can outrun and yugo with 4 flat tires

your statement has nothing to do with my statement. I was merely stating that JM is getting hyped like no other player before him yet he will most likely struggle at the next level at Qb. It was simply an observation. Hell, I am all OU playing a running QB. It is a prerequisite now in college ball. You have to have that extra dimension when the goal is to win every game.

[Edmond Sooner]

No shame in losing this one, guys. Johnny SEC--sorry, mean Manzie;)l-- is just THAT good and a rare talent. At least you don't have to play him the next 3 yrs like we do....

And I hope Bama beats them 77-0 for the next three years. Like we used to. Roll Tide!

[SCOUT]

Randall Cunningham won what? RGiII has already been hurt and the greatest running QB of all time, Ron Mexico, was basically on the downside of his career due to injuries even before the dog fighting charges.

Running QBs just do not thrive in the NFL.

Steve Young did OK

[Soonerfan85]

I still have a problem with all of this "FIRE SOMEONE" attitude. You add that to Bob losing guys to HC jobs and he's rolling over Staff that I wish we could depend on loyalty to keep. In the case of Brent Venables. It's pretty hard to keep him as DC and then give your Brother 1.5 million to work underneath him. Bob made that call and Brent took a job offer that got him a raise. That's partly why it's become tough to keep Asst Coaches and guys underneath Assts as Assistants are now getting some serious money to leave and help HCs all over the Country.

Look at the effect it's having on keeping quality guys on a staff. I think Bob will turn it around if the Monster here doesn't lose their damn mind but from what I'm seeing tonight....logic and good sense seems to be taking a back seat to pride and worrying about what some aggie or other Teams Fan has to say to folks on Monday Morning.

Unfortunately for all OU fans, you can probably copy that statement and use it again at the end of next year's bowl game thread. And the year after that and so forth.

Man it hurts to get your *** handed to you by a pimply faced freshman QB.

[OU68]

We just got humiliated by the Texas ******' Aggies - the worst Baja Oklahoma has to offer for all sorts of reasons unrelated to football. Not going to listen to sunshine pumping tonight.

^^^^^^ This - we owned the Aggies when they were B12, WTF has happened to the Sooners?

[FaninAma]

Seriously? You just called Michael Vick the greatest running quarterback of all time?

Michael Vick is/was Johnny Manziel with an arm. Check, check, go. And to ****** on Randall Cunningham who spent what, 5000 years in the league when the point was, I believe "viability", now magically transitioning to "thrive-ability"?

Do you just make this **** up or are you feeling extra bold from the politic board?

Answer my question.. Did Cunningham ever win anything of note? Is he in the Hof? BTW, Vick in his prime >>>>>>Cunningham in his prime. Vick owns the NFL record for rushing yards by a QB.

if you have a problem with my politics board posting then address it over there.

[SicEmBaylor]

You're smarter than that. Which running QB is now in the HoF? Fran Tarkington but that was a different era when you didn't have 250 LBs who ran 4.5 forty's.

you think RGIII is going to stand up to the type of punishment he got this year if he continues Shanahan continues to run him?

I have faith in the guy to continue to do what he does best. He's not a run-first QB but the running presents opportunities to grab that 1st down or make a TD when the opportunity might otherwise not be there.

So, yes, I think he can be one of the most successful QB's in NFL history. However, I only give him 10 years in the league. After that he needs to pursuit his old dream of going to law school.

I will never ever bet against RGIII....a guy who has been a winner at everything he's ever done.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

You being dead *** wrong and not admitting it when given a wonderful example of a running quarterback that thrived and survived in the NFL, countering with a point that isn't, wasn't, nor will be a qualifier for the situation you've established.

In fact, the fact that Randall Cunningham did survive in the league as long as he did on some pretty janky squads should tell you more than if he had a handful of Super Bowl rings.

But you're arguing not to be wrong, not having a discussion. Rock on, bro.

[StoopTroup]

No, I am just pissed. LOL

Me too...but what the hell can I do about it? I hope you don't stress to much. Hang in there Bro. I hate seeing landry go out that way and it does kind of bother me that some Sooners are peeing their pants about him finally losing his last game to make themselves feel vindicated or whatever the heck they are doing it for. That guy bleeds Crimson and Cream and so does his Wife. It's really hard for me to understand people that act like Bart Simpson towards him.

[SicEmBaylor]

Me too...but what the hell can I do about it? I hope you don't stress to much. Hang in there Bro. I hate seeing landry go out that way and it does kind of bother me that some Sooners are peeing their pants about him finally losing his last game to make themselves feel vindicated or whatever the heck they are doing it for. That guy bleeds Crimson and Cream and so does his Wife. It's really hard for me to understand people that act like Bart Simpson towards him.
You too? You're not pissed enough if you keep making excuses for those who are responsible for this debacle.

[FaninAma]

Steve Young did OK
Young came out of BYU and was known primarily as a passer. I don't think SF won all those games due to Young's running.

[PMKMDJ]

Young came out of BYU and was known primarily as a passer. I don't think SF won all those games due to Young's running.

You don't remember he played with that Jerry Rice guy, caught a couple passes but known for his run blocking.

[Judge Smails]

Simple Solution: We should not play any more games with the word "Bowl" in the title.

[Boomer.....]

Years ago we would end a players Heisman hopes. This year we gave them a boost.

[Soonerfan85]

your statement has nothing to do with my statement. I was merely stating that JM is getting hyped like no other player before him yet he will most likely struggle at the next level at Qb. It was simply an observation. Hell, I am all OU playing a running QB. It is a prerequisite now in college ball. You have to have that extra dimension when the goal is to win every game.

Sorry, my reading comprehension is somewhat clouded at the moment, and I stopped watching after the 3rd qtr. No surprise that Fox was pimping Johnny football, they got nothing else to talk about.

BTW, could Fox PLEASE spend a couple of bucks and put up a bigger on screen score and down and distance window!!!!!!

[SCOUT]

Young came out of BYU and was known primarily as a passer. I don't think SF won all those games due to Young's running.

Yet he was a dual threat quarterback.

[MamaMia]

...not good for recruiting. :(

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Young came out of BYU and was known primarily as a passer. I don't think SF won all those games due to Young's running.

500 yard rushing seasons and 6-7 yard averages per carry in the West Coast disagrees with you mightily.

[Wishboned]

No shame in losing this one, guys. Johnny SEC--sorry, mean Manzie;)l-- is just THAT good and a rare talent. At least you don't have to play him the next 3 yrs like we do....

Seriously guy, take that SEC **** and shove it up your ***.

[SCOUT]

500 yard rushing seasons and 6-7 yard averages per carry in the West Coast disagrees with you mightily.
Sure, he only rushed for 4,200+ yards as a QB.

[FaninAma]

You being dead *** wrong and not admitting it when given a wonderful example of a running quarterback that thrived and survived in the NFL, countering with a point that isn't, wasn't, nor will be a qualifier for the situation you've established.

In fact, the fact that Randall Cunningham did survive in the league as long as he did on some pretty janky squads should tell you more than if he had a handful of Super Bowl rings.

But you're arguing not to be wrong, not having a discussion. Rock on, bro.

I simply disagree. Cunningham had some decent years but no rings. He also played on some pretty talented teams in Philly and Minnesota. And if running QBs were the way to go at the next level the NFL would have a lot more of them. Even Cunningham was more of a pocket passer the last 4 years of his career. You just can't take the punishment as a running QB in the NFL. And Manziel is no Cunningham or Vick. He is much smaller than either of them.

Cunningham had a good career. The NFL has been around for 75+ years. Do you want to give me another example of a running QB who "thrived" at the next level? Maybe Tarkington but he was more of a scrambler avoiding the rush while staying in the pocket as opposed to a vertical runner.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Somebody beat me to it.

Steve Young.

If he doesn't count as a running quarterback then this discussion is absolutely a wasted effort.

[SCOUT]

I simply disagree. Cunningham had some decent years but no rings. He also played on some pretty talented teams in Philly and Minnesota. And if running QBs were the way to go at the next level the NFL would have a lot more of them. Even Cunningham was more of a pocket passer the last 4 years of his career. You just can't take the punishment as a running QB in the NFL. And Manziel is no Cunningham or Vick. He is much smaller than either of them.

Cunningham had a good career. The NFL has been around for 75+ years. Do you want to give me another example of a running QB who "thrived" at the next level? Maybe Tarkington but he was more of a scrambler avoiding the rush while staying in the pocket as opposed to a vertical runner.

Wait, I thought "Running QBs just do not thrive in the NFL" was the point. I agree that they aren't the norm. Then again, Johnny doesn't really seem to be the norm either.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

You know Scout, I'm pretty sure those guys that can run a 4.2-4.3 AAAAAAAND shake a guy out of his jock AAAAAAND put a 50 yard bomb on a dime are everywhere.

Everywhere.

How do you do the sarcastic eyeroll thingy again?

[FaninAma]

500 yard rushing seasons and 6-7 yard averages per carry in the West Coast disagrees with you mightily.
He was a decent runner but averaged under 300 yards a season(less than 20 yards a game).Any NFL team that calls even 10 designed runs for their QB is asking him to be injured. The game keep evolving and starting QBs are too valuable to risk them for an extra 20 to 30 yards a game.

[FaninAma]

You know Scout, I'm pretty sure those guys that can run a 4.2-4.3 AAAAAAAND shake a guy out of his jock AAAAAAND put a 50 yard bomb on a dime are everywhere.

Everywhere.

How do you do the sarcastic eyeroll thingy again?

Again, Manziel is very good at this level but he isn't a Vick or even a Cunningham. I guess we will just have to wait and see what he does in the NFL. I won't be suprised to see him play all 4 years at TAMU because of lack of interest in the NFL due to his lack of size and arm strength.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

He was a decent runner but averaged under 300 yards a season(less than 20 yards a game).Any NFL team that calls even 10 designed runs for their QB is asking him to be injured. The game keep evolving and starting QBs are too valuable to risk them for an extra 20 to 30 yards a game.

That's where the disconnect is.

Running quarterback = a quarterback that can and jags it in your *** on a regular basis.

NOT running quarterback = mouthbreathing goon that totes the pill 20-30 touches a game.

Tim Tebow = mouthbreathing goon that totes the pill 20-30 times a game. He's a runner, period.

RGIII is a running quarterback. Steve Young was a running quarterback. Randall Cunningham was a running quarterback. Michael Vick, yes, was/is a running quarterback. Hell, for all rights and purposes, Aaron Rodgers is a running quarterback. The fact that they can and do, not the fact that they smash B gap isos all day.

C'mon. Don't be dense.

[FaninAma]

Wait, I thought "Running QBs just do not thrive in the NFL" was the point. I agree that they aren't the norm. Then again, Johnny doesn't really seem to be the norm either.
I feel failrly comfortable in saying that Manziel will not be a great NFL QB. If that pisses you off then so be it.

BTW does anybody believe he is 6 foot 1? He looks about 5-10.....if that.

[SCOUT]

That's where the disconnect is.

Running quarterback = a quarterback that can and jags it in your *** on a regular basis.

NOT running quarterback = mouthbreathing goon that totes the pill 20-30 touches a game.

Tim Tebow = mouthbreathing goon that totes the pill 20-30 times a game. He's a runner, period.

RGIII is a running quarterback. Steve Young was a running quarterback. Randall Cunningham was a running quarterback. Michael Vick, yes, was/is a running quarterback. Hell, for all rights and purposes, Aaron Rodgers is a running quarterback. The fact that they can and do, not the fact that they smash B gap isos all day.

C'mon. Don't be dense.
Yeah, this sums it up for me.

A QB that passes 75% of the time but can run it, is a DUAL threat. I don't really know how else to state it.

[SCOUT]

I feel failrly comfortable in saying that Manziel will not be a great NFL QB. If that pisses you off then so be it.

I couldn't be more indifferent to his future. I just don't agree that dual threat QB's don't make it in the NFL.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Drew Bledsoe = NOT a running quarterback.

Troy Aikman = NOT a running quarterback.

Ice Chest = Faster than than the above

[FaninAma]

That's where the disconnect is.

Running quarterback = a quarterback that can and jags it in your *** on a regular basis.

NOT running quarterback = mouthbreathing goon that totes the pill 20-30 touches a game.

Tim Tebow = mouthbreathing goon that totes the pill 20-30 times a game. He's a runner, period.

RGIII is a running quarterback. Steve Young was a running quarterback. Randall Cunningham was a running quarterback. Michael Vick, yes, was/is a running quarterback. Hell, for all rights and purposes, Aaron Rodgers is a running quarterback. The fact that they can and do, not the fact that they smash B gap isos all day.

C'mon. Don't be dense.

Why are you getting so pissed. Cunningham and Vick were running QBs. Cunningham and Vick have no rings. Cunningham, who you hold out as the best running Qb of all time, was all-pro 4 times dspite playing on some excellent Philly and Viking teams. He was a good player yet you hold hum out as a shining example of your asserion that running QBs thrive in the NFL whereas I would counter that it supports my assertion that decent running QBs in the NFL are the exception especially over the course of more than a couple of years.

Steve Young was not a running Qb unless you call any QB who averaged 18 yards running a game a running QB. SF did not design a lot of plays that had their QB as the primary ball carrier. bill Walsh was not that stupid.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Do I sound pissed?

Apparently the NFL, football as a whole, the universe, and I agree with what a running quarterback is and you disagree with that definition.

That's cool. It shows a strong independent streak and a willingness to stand your ground on the principles you believe in.

Even though you're embarassingly wrong. Stay strong, brother. We're proud of you.

[FaninAma]

Yeah, this sums it up for me.

A QB that passes 75% of the time but can run it, is a DUAL threat. I don't really know how else to state it.

Name one NFL team that intentionally runs their QB 10+ times on designed QB runs in every game.

I've seen your list of all of the all time great running QBs in the NFL. Are there any more?

Manziel's ability at this level is impressive. But because of his size and arm strenght he will not excel at the next level. He isn't among the elite of those you hold out as examples of great running QBsin the NFL.

Dual threat QBs do well in college. Dual threat QBs do well in the NFL if they have good arm strength and stay healthy.....not because they are great runners.

[FaninAma]

Do I sound pissed?

Apparently the NFL, football as a whole, the universe, and I agree with what a running quarterback is and you disagree with that definition.

That's cool. It shows a strong independent streak and a willingness to stand your ground on the principles you believe in.

Even though you're embarassingly wrong. Stay strong, brother. We're proud of you.

Please share that definition with us. Apparently it includes any QB that has positive rushing yardage at the end of the year.

Can you name a running QB that has won the superbowl in the last 15 years?

[SCOUT]

Name one NFL team that intentionally runs their QB 10+ times on designed QB runs in every game.

I've seen your list of all of the all time great running QBs in the NFL. Are there any more?

Manziel's ability at this level is impressive. But because of his size and arm strenght he will not excel at the next level. He isn't among the elite of those you hold out as examples of great running QBsin the NFL.

Dual threat QBs do well in college. Dual threat QBs do well in the NFL if they have good arm strength and stay healthy.....not because they are great runners.
Right. JM killed us with his legs, but he can throw a little too. Don't forget that he is 20. Doug Flutie might be someone JM could turn into.

Look, I know you think he will be a total failure, but I just disagree. I think he is talented enough to play in the NFL when his time comes in two years. I even think he will be good.

Will it **** me off if he isn't? About as much as Mark Sanchez, Mark Brunell, or Gary Hogeboom not being successful.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Mark Brunell

Another GREAT example. Hell, Mark Brunell was a rattlesnake in Jacksonville. Forgot all about him.

Spent like, 5000 years in the league, too.

[SCOUT]

Please share that definition with us. Apparently it includes any QB that has positive rushing yardage at the end of the year.

Can you name a running QB that has won the superbowl in the last 15 years?

Wait, are we now talking about superbowl winners in the last 15 years? Dude you are wearing me out trying to keep up with your goal posts.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Not even the greatest running quarterback of all time, Michael Vick, is fast enough to keep up with the 4-flat speed of Faninama's changing metric.

[SCOUT]

Donovan McNabb was a dual threat QB

[SCOUT]

Fran Tarkington (sp?) was pretty freaking mobile.

Anyway...

[FaninAma]

Right. JM killed us with his legs, but he can throw a little too. Don't forget that he is 20. Doug Flutie might be someone JM could turn into.

Look, I know you think he will be a total failure, but I just disagree. I think he is talented enough to play in the NFL when his time comes in two years. I even think he will be good.

Will it **** me off if he isn't? About as much as Mark Sanchez, Mark Brunell, or Gary Hogeboom not being successful.

I don't think he will be a total failure but it is obvious what type of QB really thrives in the NFL. RGIII will be successful because he is a great passer and has a great arm. RGIII also had a serious injury in college while running the ball and I think you will see him running less and less in the NFL. Manziel does not have a great arm. Maybe he will shock me and be as successful as Joe Montana but then he will be successful because he shows great field presence.....not because he is a good runner.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Yeah, but does Fran Tarkington have 15 Super Bowl rings?

HUH!?

[I Am Right]

What a worthless effort.

[FaninAma]

Check this list and let me know which of these QBs were great dual threats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quarterbacks_with_multiple_Super_Bowl_star ts

[Tulsa_Fireman]

You are right.

It says so, right there.

[I Am Right]

GD announcers during game, I will never watch a fox sports broadcast again!!!!!!

[SCOUT]

Check this list and let me know which of these QBs were great dual threats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quarterbacks_with_multiple_Super_Bowl_star ts

Geez Fan.

Right off the top.
Terry Bradshaw
John Elway
Roger the Dodger

[I Am Right]

Who give a S**T about Johnny the idiot. We got out coached!

[FaninAma]

Geez Fan.

Right off the top.
Terry Bradshaw
John Elway
Roger the Dodger

Scrambling QBs do not eqaul running QBs..

See if you disagree with this list:


http://www.craveonline.com/sports/articles/176896-top-5-rushing-quarterbacks-of-all-time

again, successful RB's in the NFL are the rare exception......not the rule.

Running QBs are more prone to injury at all levels.

Manziel had a great year. He deserved the Heisman. Let's wait and see how the rest of his career pans out.

[I Am Right]

I for one am glad Landry is gone.

[SicEmBaylor]

I for one am glad Landry is gone.
Yep. Never thought Landry was outstanding. He was a serviceable QB but that's it.

The biggest problem I had with Landry is that he never seemed to have that little extra "umph" in his game that would allow him to pull OU over the top. He was so emotionless on the sidelines as well....always just kind of stood there without trying to really rally his unit and get them pumped up. I understand that just isn't everyone's personality but I was always yelling at the TV for him to just do SOMETHING...ANYTHING to pull the team over the edge...but nadda.

[Lott's Bandana]

Tonight, we got Testaverde'd.

Anyone else remember the game when we just could not get our hands on that guy? It was almost magic...black magic. Better team beaten by one guy. Not that we were the better team tonight.
Seems like I remember Vinnie throwing to Irvin that night

[SOONER44EVER]

I for one am glad Landry is gone. I want to hear you say that next year when all our QBs suck compared to LJ and we finish 4th or 5th in the Big 12.

[radio]

Why do we run on 2nd and goal

Cuz we run on EVERY 2nd & < 10 all f$$$$$$ year! I mean EVERY fing time. Smh

[olevetonahill]

Yep. Never thought Landry was outstanding. He was a serviceable QB but that's it.

The biggest problem I had with Landry is that he never seemed to have that little extra "umph" in his game that would allow him to pull OU over the top. He was so emotionless on the sidelines as well....always just kind of stood there without trying to really rally his unit and get them pumped up. I understand that just isn't everyone's personality but I was always yelling at the TV for him to just do SOMETHING...ANYTHING to pull the team over the edge...but nadda.


I blame YOU then, Ya shoulda yelled louder.

[JLEW1818]

Why do we run on 2nd and goal

Cuz we run on EVERY 2nd & < 10 all f$$$$$$ year! I mean EVERY fing time. Smh

Yep I noticed this too.

So assuming we get 2-3 yards on second and 10, we now are third and seven. Hmmmm, why not just put pressure on Landry and watch him scramble?

[I Am Right]

Not any better in the light of day !

[Angry Beaver]

Just what the doctor ordered......championship quality teams prove it by capitalizing on opposing team!
Make a statement!

Hey, you called it!

[FaninAma]

Why running QBs don't prosper at the next level.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=330106028

[KABOOKIE]

Yeah RG3's knee is rated at about 1.2 years.

[KABOOKIE]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822363/report-robert-griffin-iii-washington-redskins-partially-tore-acl-lcl