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pphilfran
1/4/2013, 04:37 PM
What are your thoughts?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/03/bank-trading-hidden_n_2403132.html?ref=topbar

If you think the big banks learned painful lessons about risk-taking during the financial crisis, think again: They're still taking the same risks, and we don't even know how big those risks are.

In the latest edition of The Atlantic, Frank Partnoy and Jesse Eisinger have a 9400-word opus on the untold horrors lurking on big-bank balance sheets. The elevator summary: Boy, banks sure do a lot of dodgy trading, and they hide their potential losses from investors.

This may not come as shocking news. But it's one of those things that we can't hear often enough, with the momentum for reform cooling every day we get further away from the crisis. Big banks still have the capacity to blow up the financial system, and our inability to trust them makes another disaster even more likely.

Particularly useful is Partnoy and Eisinger's deep dive into the latest annual report of a supposedly staid, conservative bank, Wells Fargo. The authors discover that the bank is not simply lending money and giving away toasters, like banks used to do. Based on the authors' accounting, it looks like nearly $20 billion of Wells Fargo's $81 billion in revenue in 2011 came from one kind of trading or another.

And the bank doesn't offer much, if any, detail about the potential risks of that trading. How much money could Wells Fargo lose on its trades, which include hard-to-trade and hard-to-value derivatives? In the worst case, could the losses threaten the $148 billion in capital reserves Wells Fargo claims to have? Nobody knows, because Wells Fargo doesn't tell us, and they're not required to.

Meanwhile, even more risk is being shoved under the carpet, into entities that don't show up on bank balance sheets, but for which the banks are nevertheless ultimately on the hook. These are the sorts of accounting tricks used by Enron and by the banks before the crisis, and they're still in use.

And this is just Wells Fargo, which is supposedly one of the less-risky banks. The story also mentions JPMorgan Chase, which until early last year was considered a bedrock of solid risk-management, until its chief investment office blew $6 billion (and counting) on risky derivatives bets.

Though JPMorgan's losses barely made a dent in the bank's profits and only temporarily hit its stock price, the debacle did longer-term damage to investor trust in the banks, which was already shaky anyway. That lack of trust makes it harder for the banks to raise capital and more likely that investors will turn on them during a crisis.

It's understandable that the banks want to take on risks. In a sluggish economy without much need for borrowing, and with regulators breathing down their necks to hold more capital, banks are having a harder time turning a profit. Spinning the roulette wheel or buying a bunch of credit default swaps can help deepen the bonus pool.

But not always. In fact, banks are helplessly terrible at trading, according to a recent study by economists Arnoud Boot at the University of Amsterdam and Lev Ratnovski at the International Monetary Fund. Their report declared that "crises associated with trading by banks are bound to recur" and called for restrictions on bank trading.

The Volcker Rule of the Dodd-Frank financial-reform law was supposed to accomplish that, but it has been lobbied into near-uselessness. Partnoy and Eisinger call for a clean restriction on bank trading, as well as clear requirements that banks disclose more of their risks, in ways we can all understand. These seem like reasonable goals. Unfortunately, they'll probably never happen. But at least we shouldn't be surprised when the next blowup occurs.

Bourbon St Sooner
1/4/2013, 04:44 PM
Glass-Stiegel needs to be reinstated, but Dodd-Frank did everything they could to protect their big banker buddies' bonuses. Instead we got expensive new bureaucracies to get in bed with banks and protect their risk-taking.

pphilfran
1/4/2013, 04:54 PM
I agree...banks shouldn't be investment firms and investment firms shouldn't be banks...the mindset and operation of each is completely different

SoonerorLater
1/4/2013, 04:57 PM
I think potential losses doesn't fairly describe the what the banks are hiding. If assets were marked to market they would be insolvent.

Midtowner
1/4/2013, 07:11 PM
Glass-Stiegel needs to be reinstated, but Dodd-Frank did everything they could to protect their big banker buddies' bonuses. Instead we got expensive new bureaucracies to get in bed with banks and protect their risk-taking.

Wow.

I agree.

Also, the SEC should be much better funded and bankers who break the rule need to go to prison.

diverdog
1/5/2013, 09:34 AM
Phil:

Here is an op-ed I think you will like to read:
Small Banks, Big Banks, Giant Differences: Robert G. Wilmers


By Robert G. Wilmers Jun 13, 2011 12:01 AM ET


There are reasons for bankers like me to view these as good times. Bank profits are up and failures have ebbed. Nonetheless, I remain troubled about the state of the financial-services industry.
Here’s why: community banks have given way to big banks and excessive industry concentration; profits are increasingly driven by risky trading; leverage is taking precedence over prudent lending; compensation is out of control. This toxic combination leads to continued taxpayer risk and threatens long- term U.S. prosperity.
To understand the change, first consider history. Banking once was a community-based (http://www.icba.org/)enterprise, relying on local knowledge to guide the process of gathering customer deposits and extending credit. Done well, this arrangement ensures that deposits are deployed into a diversified pool of investments, while providing depositors with liquidity and a return on their savings.
Over the past generation, however, the financial services industry changed dramatically. In 1990, the six largest financial institutions accounted for 9 percent of all U.S. domestic deposits. As of Dec. 31, 2010, the six biggest banks accounted for 36 percent of deposits.
Such concentration raises the concern that poor decisions at such outsized institutions can lead to systemic risk. But this risk is greatly magnified by the new way in which the major banks, those deemed too big to fail, are doing business today. The largest and most profitable bank holding companies have moved away from traditional lending and come to rely on speculative trading in all types of securities, derivatives, credit default swaps, mortgage-backed securities and other, even more complex and exotic financial instruments -- many of them associated with high leverage.
Engine of Income
Such trading now is the engine of income. In 2010, the six largest bank holding companies generated $56.1 billion in trading revenue (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/bank-of-america-reports-positive-trading-revenue-each-day-of-first-quarter.html), or 74 percent of their $75.7 billion in pretax income.
Trading revenue at these institutions distinguishes them from traditional commercial banks, which aren’t typically involved in such speculative endeavors. The Big Six institutions earned more than 93 percent of the trading revenue generated by all American banks during the past two years. To say these large institutions are the same species as traditional commercial banks is akin to describing dinosaurs as reptiles -- true but profoundly misleading.
To concentration and speculation one can add another dangerous element: outsized, bonus-based executive pay. This supersized compensation, like the trading itself, is something new under the sun for bankers -- and poses serious problems for the U.S. labor market and our most talented citizens.
Then Versus Now
Consider that in 1929 compensation for employees in the financial-services industry was just 1.5 times that of the average nonfarm U.S. worker. By 2009 employees in the securities and investments sector, which includes investment banks, securities brokerages and commodities dealers, earned 3.4 times as much as an average U.S. worker. The average 2009 investment banking compensation at four of the top banks was at least six times that of an average American worker -- while employees in the traditional commercial bank sector earned just 1.2 times the average nonfarm employee.
The chief executive officers at the top six bank holding companies were paid (http://blogs.hbr.org/hbr/how-to-fix-executive-pay/) an average of $26 million in 2007, or 516 times the U.S. median household income. Indeed, those bank CEOs are paid 2.3 times the average total CEO compensation of the top Fortune 50 nonbank companies. This raises important questions: Should the CEOs of big financial services firms earn more than those in the general economy they are supposed to serve? Shouldn’t managers of companies that put capital to good use, and thus provide greater value for the overall economy by producing goods and services, be paid more than the bankers assisting them?
At Taxpayer Expense
All Americans have reason to be concerned about this disparity. The major Wall Street banks operate under the taxpayer-backed umbrella of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (http://www.fdic.gov/) and, as we saw in 2008, the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve (http://www.federalreserve.gov/). To pay for the cost of such protection, legislators and regulators have forced thousands of Main Street banks like the one I run to absorb a larger, more expensive set of regulatory costs, including higher capital and liquidity requirements. This threatens to deny small-business owners, entrepreneurs and innovators the credit they need and on which the economy relies.
Such, I fear, are the bitter fruits of a financial services industry unmoored from its traditional role in the commercial economy and a regulatory regime that protects outsized compensation tied to trading. Regulators have failed to distinguish between trading activity and traditional banking, or to recognize that the activity of an institution, not its form, should be the proper focus of oversight.
New Rules Needed
Main Street banks are heavily regulated -- and have been for generations -- to ensure their safety, soundness and transparency. A new generation of regulation must now be applied to what has become a virtual casino. All the players must be included -- Wall Street banks, investment banks and hedge funds (http://topics.bloomberg.com/hedge-funds/). Complex derivatives and credit default swaps must be brought out of the shadows and into public clearinghouses, so that markets can know their magnitude and extent.
Those financial institutions that engage in trading should live and die by the pursuit of their fortunes, rather than impose a burden on the whole economy.
It’s time to disentangle the trading of big financial institutions from their more traditional commercial banking operations and put an end to this unsafe business model.

diverdog
1/5/2013, 09:45 AM
I think potential losses doesn't fairly describe the what the banks are hiding. If assets were marked to market they would be insolvent.

They are marked to market as far as I know. It is requirement of the law. I know the previous bank that I work for had to write down losses in investment portfolio of trust preferred securities that we had invested in and lost our ***.

FaninAma
1/5/2013, 09:45 AM
Nm....

SoonerorLater
1/5/2013, 02:58 PM
The are marked to market as far as I know. It is requirement of the law. I know the previous bank that I work for had to write down losses in investment portfolio of trust preferred securities that we had invested in and lost our ***.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/business/01place.html?ref=global&_r=0

I don't think we really know the extent of delinquent and non-performing loans that these guys have on their books.

diverdog
1/5/2013, 04:06 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/business/01place.html?ref=global&_r=0

I don't think we really know the extent of delinquent and non-performing loans that these guys have on their books.

Interesting. I do know that there was some unreasonableness in the way we had to mark to market. For instance, if we loaned money for a development and the developer filed bankruptcy we were forced to write the land down to farm values. The disparity was huge. The land may have been valued at $50,000/acre and now we are forced to write it down to $5000 an acre. The land is not developed but it is really not farm land either. I think a good argument could be made that the land maybe worth $20,000 and acre for instance.

I think the article is addressing trading losses in the account current area (gambling with clients money) if I am reading it correctly. Your article I believe is addressing things like REO and mortgages that are hard assets held on the books.

Midtowner
1/5/2013, 07:42 PM
If Congress and Obama were serious about stopping another 2008 they would have reinstituted Glass-Steagul. Its just a matter of time.

So we are in agreement that the housing crisis wasn't caused only by poor people?

Bourbon St Sooner
1/8/2013, 01:42 PM
Hey look. Here's bank regulators looking out for the best interest of the banks rather than taxpayers again

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-great-banking-swindle-of-2013-2013-01-08?dist=lcountdown

This is why I don't trust gov't regulation. The regulators always end up taking their marching orders from industry. Now CDS, the same derivatives that caused the 2008 meltdown can be used as "high quality" instruments to cover capital requirements.

Glass-Stiegal was a great piece of legislation because it was simple. If you take in deposits and loan out money, you are a bank, not an investment bank. It doesn't take many bureaucrats to enforce that.

yermom
1/8/2013, 02:10 PM
damn, we all agree that sounds like a bad idea?

amazing.

maybe that should be one of those petitions for the President, like the hate group and Death Star things

Bourbon St Sooner
1/8/2013, 02:12 PM
See you all have me pegged wrong. I'm an out and out Huey Long populist:)