John Stossel on OUR SECOND AMENDMENT

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2YC5cVxTcQ&feature=player_embedded

[Midtowner]

Murders with firearms (most recent) by country

Rank Countries Amount
# 1 South Africa: 31,918
# 2 Colombia: 21,898
# 3 Thailand: 20,032
# 4 United States: 9,369
# 5 Philippines: 7,708
# 6 Mexico: 2,606
# 7 Slovakia: 2,356
# 8 El Salvador: 1,441
# 9 Zimbabwe: 598
# 10 Peru: 442
# 11 Germany: 269
# 12 Czech Republic: 181
# 13 Ukraine: 173
# 14 Canada: 144
# 15 Albania: 135
# 16 Costa Rica: 131
# 17 Azerbaijan: 120
# 18 Poland: 111
# 19 Uruguay: 109
# 20 Spain: 97
# 21 Portugal: 90
# 22 Croatia: 76
# 23 Switzerland: 68
# 24 Bulgaria: 63
# 25 Australia: 59
# 26 Sweden: 58
# 27 Bolivia: 52
# 28 Japan: 47
# 29 Slovenia: 39
= 30 Belarus: 38
= 30 Hungary: 38
# 32 Latvia: 28
# 33 Burma: 27
# 34 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 26
# 35 Austria: 25
# 36 Estonia: 21
# 37 Moldova: 20
# 38 Lithuania: 16
= 39 United Kingdom: 14
= 39 Denmark: 14
# 41 Ireland: 12
# 42 New Zealand: 10
# 43 Chile: 9
# 44 Cyprus: 4
# 45 Morocco: 1
= 46 Oman: 0
= 46 Luxembourg: 0

= 46 Iceland: 0

We have more gun crime than Mexico (and more guns). We are only led by countries which are practically third-world. More guns does most certainly does not lead to less gun crime.

[XingTheRubicon]

More guns does most certainly does not lead to less gun crime.

More guns do certainly do not do lead to do not gun crime.


Canada has more guns per capita...

[Curly Bill]

310,000,000 people and 9,369 murders by firearms? Oh, the horror!

[Midtowner]

310,000,000 people and 9,369 murders by firearms? Oh, the horror!

Yes, actually, 9,369 deaths, many of which are preventable. Just look at the U.K. gun control worked great there. Same with Australia.

[Curly Bill]

Yes, actually, 9,369 deaths, many of which are preventable. Just look at the U.K. gun control worked great there. Same with Australia.

Yeah...no thanks! I like my 2nd Amendment and all that. You be my guest to go partake of the greatness that is the UK and Australia though.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

another great presentation by Stossel. We oughta send the link out to any low information acquaintances we have by email.

[soonercruiser]

Murders with firearms (most recent) by country

Rank Countries Amount
# 1 South Africa: 31,918
# 2 Colombia: 21,898
# 3 Thailand: 20,032
# 4 United States: 9,369
# 5 Philippines: 7,708
# 6 Mexico: 2,606
# 7 Slovakia: 2,356
# 8 El Salvador: 1,441
# 9 Zimbabwe: 598
# 10 Peru: 442
# 11 Germany: 269
# 12 Czech Republic: 181
# 13 Ukraine: 173
# 14 Canada: 144
# 15 Albania: 135
# 16 Costa Rica: 131
# 17 Azerbaijan: 120
# 18 Poland: 111
# 19 Uruguay: 109
# 20 Spain: 97
# 21 Portugal: 90
# 22 Croatia: 76
# 23 Switzerland: 68
# 24 Bulgaria: 63
# 25 Australia: 59
# 26 Sweden: 58
# 27 Bolivia: 52
# 28 Japan: 47
# 29 Slovenia: 39
= 30 Belarus: 38
= 30 Hungary: 38
# 32 Latvia: 28
# 33 Burma: 27
# 34 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 26
# 35 Austria: 25
# 36 Estonia: 21
# 37 Moldova: 20
# 38 Lithuania: 16
= 39 United Kingdom: 14
= 39 Denmark: 14
# 41 Ireland: 12
# 42 New Zealand: 10
# 43 Chile: 9
# 44 Cyprus: 4
# 45 Morocco: 1
= 46 Oman: 0
= 46 Luxembourg: 0

= 46 Iceland: 0

We have more gun crime than Mexico (and more guns). We are only led by countries which are practically third-world. More guns does most certainly does not lead to less gun crime.

Duh! I repeat again for you..
As I said before Mid (duma**), they do not throw out the statistics for suicide by gun!
Suicide by gun is the #2 killer of young adults!
Adjust the death figures by population, huh!

Like our soldier who is being held in jail in Mexico for declaring a registered (by border patrol) weapon, Mexico does not allow weapons!
So, guess who has most of the weapons in Mexico??
Duh! Compare apples and oranges much?

[soonercruiser]

More guns do certainly do not do lead to do not gun crime.


Canada has more guns per capita...

What?????
English, please!

[Midtowner]

Canada has more guns per capita...

United States 88.8 1
Serbia 58.2 2
Yemen 54.8 3
Switzerland 45.7 4
Cyprus 36.4 5
Saudi Arabia 35 6
Iraq 34.2 7
Finland 32 8
Uruguay 31.8 9
Sweden 31.6 10
Norway 31.3 11
France 31.2 12
Canada 30.8 13
Austria 30.4 14
Germany 30.3 15
Iceland 30.3 15
Oman 25.5 17
Bahrain 24.8 18
Kuwait 24.8 18
Macedonia 24.1 20
Montenegro 23.1 21

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Hiya Leonid. Maybe you should look at the little Stossel video. capiche?

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Gun sales soaring!!!!

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?play=1&video=3000136695#eyJ2aWQiOiIzMDAwMTM2Njk1IiwiZW5jV mlkIjoiSFZHak5Sb1lDQnpDc1hEdjhDUTJ4Zz09IiwidlRhYiI 6InRyYW5zY3JpcHQiLCJ2UGFnZSI6MSwiZ05hdiI6WyLCoExhd GVzdCBWaWRlbyJdLCJnU2VjdCI6IkFMTCIsImdQYWdlIjoiMSI sInN5bSI6IiIsInNlYXJjaCI6IiJ9

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Gun sales soaring!!!!

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?play=1&video=3000136695#eyJ2aWQiOiIzMDAwMTM2Njk1IiwiZW5jV mlkIjoiSFZHak5Sb1lDQnpDc1hEdjhDUTJ4Zz09IiwidlRhYiI 6InRyYW5zY3JpcHQiLCJ2UGFnZSI6MSwiZ05hdiI6WyLCoExhd GVzdCBWaWRlbyJdLCJnU2VjdCI6IkFMTCIsImdQYWdlIjoiMSI sInN5bSI6IiIsInNlYXJjaCI6IiJ9surprised?

[SicEmBaylor]

surprised?

I thought you were dismissive of Stossel on account of the fact that he is a libertarian.

[BigTip]

Old cliche but it is very true.

Freedom is not free. But it's worth it.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I thought you were dismissive of Stossel on account of the fact that he is a libertarian.I don't like the Isolation stuff and the ignoring of damaging drugs, but other than those 2 major issues, a conservative is a conservative, whether Libertarian, Republican or Independent. I suspect that you knew that already, anyway...and yes, National Defense is authorized in our laws. The interpretation of what that constitutes is the contention between Republican policy and Libertarian.

[XingTheRubicon]

United States 88.8 1
Serbia 58.2 2
Yemen 54.8 3
Switzerland 45.7 4
Cyprus 36.4 5
Saudi Arabia 35 6
Iraq 34.2 7
Finland 32 8
Uruguay 31.8 9
Sweden 31.6 10
Norway 31.3 11
France 31.2 12
Canada 30.8 13
Austria 30.4 14
Germany 30.3 15
Iceland 30.3 15
Oman 25.5 17
Bahrain 24.8 18
Kuwait 24.8 18
Macedonia 24.1 20
Montenegro 23.1 21

You're idiot liberal Michael Moore is the one that inferred that Canada had more per capita...



Either way, in America, it's ok...the majority of gun deaths (similar to abortions) are liberals.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Either way, in America, it's ok...the majority of gun deaths (similar to abortions) are liberals.The libz have no doubt noticed that, and to make up for lost voters, we have rampant illegal immigration, massive voter fraud of incalculable proportion, and effective brainwashing by the public schools, the MSM and the Entertainment industry.




America is in heap big trouble!

[SicEmBaylor]

I don't like the Isolation stuff and the ignoring of damaging drugs, but other than those 2 major issues, a conservative is a conservative, whether Libertarian, Republican or Independent. I suspect that you knew that already, anyway...and yes, National Defense is authorized in our laws. The interpretation of what that constitutes is the contention between Republican policy and Libertarian.
I've never actually heard of any American, ever, advocate isolationism. I'm not even sure I can recall a time when I've heard Stossel even speak on foreign affairs.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I just read the story about Walmart and dicks sporting Goods caving to PC pressure, linked on the mSN home page.

a short and to the point comment someone made was:
"When the bad guys and the government give up their guns I will too ! Until then mine are not for the taking"

[kevpks]

I just read the story about Walmart and dicks sporting Goods caving to PC pressure, linked on the mSN home page.

a short and to the point comment someone made was:
"When the bad guys and the government give up their guns I will too ! Until then mine are not for the taking"

I might be wrong but I though I read that Walmart pulled their ads but still sells the guns. I think Dick's did pull them though.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I've never actually heard of any American, ever, advocate isolationism. I'm not even sure I can recall a time when I've heard Stossel even speak on foreign affairs.So, I have always liked Stossel's shows and MOST of his ideas. Now that Beck got purged, Stossel's shows are the only politically oriented shows I enjoy watching on tv. OK?

As I said, I liked Beck when he was on too. I didn't/don't ALWAYS agree with him either. When we agree with someone, it doesn't mean we HAVE to agree with them on everything. I'll bet you have had similar experiences!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I might be wrong but I though I read that Walmart pulled their ads but still sells the guns. I think Dick's did pull them though.http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=842aeb0c-62d8-47f4-954c-e9d0a44478de

[SanJoaquinSooner]

surprised?

Not at all -- with the end of the world coming up in a couple of days, according to the Mayans, best to be prepared for crazy ****.

[okie52]

Ever listen to mad dog sports radio on XM?

I just heard the guy tonight on a huge rant for banning assault weapons. Stated he was a Pub but would never vote for them again if they don't get behind the measure.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Not at all -- with the end of the world coming up in a couple of days, according to the Mayans, best to be prepared for crazy ****.you think that's why gun sales are going through the roof?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Ever listen to mad dog sports radio on XM?

I just heard the guy tonight on a huge rant for banning assault weapons. Stated he was a Pub but would never vote for them again if they don't get behind the measure.and, a conservative would be persuaded by that claim?

[Midtowner]

You're idiot liberal Michael Moore is the one that inferred that Canada had more per capita...



Either way, in America, it's ok...the majority of gun deaths (similar to abortions) are liberals.

So you think political philosophy excuses murder?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

So you think political philosophy excuses murder?You think that's what he was saying?

[Midtowner]

You think that's what he was saying?

Either that or he was making some flippant stupid comment about murder.

30,000 dead and it's a joke to you people?

[olevetonahill]

Either that or he was making some flippant stupid comment about murder.

30,000 dead and it's a joke to you people?

Only if YOU are included .

[SanJoaquinSooner]

you think that's why gun sales are going through the roof?

20%

[cleller]

Wow, check out the gun murders per capita:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

El Salvador's rate is 5 times higher than us. Have no idea what their gun laws are, but I imagine their prosecution rates aren't great. At least we fall below Mexico in actual deaths/100,000.

[OU_Sooners75]

Yes, actually, 9,369 deaths, many of which are preventable. Just look at the U.K. gun control worked great there. Same with Australia.

You're truly an idiot.

England has the highest per capita violent crime rates. Along with crimes committed with guns.

You are looking at overall numbers. Now break that very list you so eagerly shared and break it down by ever 10K, 100K, etc.

There are no questions that there is too much violence in this nation. But per capita we are a lot safer here than other place, or at least one of the safer ones.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Only if YOU are included .LOL! heh

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

20%Maybe, from the Libz who think end of the world means to be armed!

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Maybe, from the Libz who think end of the world means to be armed!

The CNBC report said 20%, that's where I got the figure, but of course I wasn't serious. Every time there's a massacre, the ad's go out: "get your guns while you still can!!!! ,,,, before the libs outlaw them!!!" And the timing of this massacre, right before Christmas, is working out great for sales. "Not only will you want to buy one for yourself, you can get a Christmas gift for your nerdy, disturbed son to help teach him how to be responsible."

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The CNBC report said 20%, that's where I got the figure, but of course I wasn't serious. Every time there's a massacre, the ad's go out: "get your guns while you still can!!!! ,,,, before the libs outlaw them!!!" And the timing of this massacre, right before Christmas, is working out great for sales. "Not only will you want to buy one for yourself, you can get a Christmas gift for your nerdy, disturbed son to help teach him how to be responsible."yeah, that's it. haha





delusional is a possibility.

[Curly Bill]

Somehow I been missing all the ads? That mighta been a slight exageration on ol Juan's part?? Now as for people rushing out to get guns there's no denying that! In fact I'm pissed right now because I was gonna get some more hi-cap magazines for my evil black Sig-Sauer 516 assault rifle that I had the foresight to buy a month ago, and I can't find any of the damn things! Ima have to order some looks like, though they seem to be on backorder at the few places I've looked.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The re-election, the press conference saying "we" have to "do something". the constant challenge to the Second amendment. The enthusiastic glut of calls by the PC for a diminishing of the Second Amendment. These things are not difficult to notice as causes for an ever-growing run on guns and ammo.

[diverdog]

Somehow I been missing all the ads? That mighta been a slight exageration on ol Juan's part?? Now as for people rushing out to get guns there's no denying that! In fact I'm pissed right now because I was gonna get some more hi-cap magazines for my evil black Sig-Sauer 516 assault rifle that I had the foresight to buy a month ago, and I can't find any of the damn things! Ima have to order some looks like, though they seem to be on backorder at the few places I've looked.

i think high capacity mags is going to be the first thing to get banned. For me it is really not an issue. I only load about 8 anyway when I am shooting at any time.

[Curly Bill]

i think high capacity mags is going to be the first thing to get banned. For me it is really not an issue. I only load about 8 anyway when I am shooting at any time.

I don't really need them either, I just don't like politicians telling me I don't need them! At Midway USA I can backorder them. I'd rather do that than look here and there over time hoping to find a store where they've put some out and they haven't been snapped up yet.

[diverdog]

I don't really need them either, I just don't like politicians telling me I don't need them! At Midway USA I can backorder them. I'd rather do that than look here and there over time hoping to find a store where they've put some out and they haven't been snapped up yet.

i went shooting the other day and I was surprised how many of my magazines would only hold 8 rounds. All of them were on my newer pistols.

[cleller]

i think high capacity mags is going to be the first thing to get banned. For me it is really not an issue. I only load about 8 anyway when I am shooting at any time.

I actually bought a lever action rifle back on Nov 30 to help deal with my coyote problem. I had to go back to the store Monday to pick up something for it, and the place was a nightmare. Combination panic and Christmas buying. One guy was buying 50 30 round magazines, as he figured they'd be banned.

His story was like a doomsday prepper. Either he'll be ready when the mobs come after him, or he'll have these ready for barter. He said something about gold and silver will be worthless, but not his magazines.
Now, I wouldn't mind having a few of those magazine myself to hoard, but selling them would really be awkward. It would either be illegal, or gouging, neither of which I'd feel right doing.

Most of those type folks are actually going to just pass on a lot of stuff collecting dust to their heirs.

[sappstuf]

I actually bought a lever action rifle back on Nov 30 to help deal with my coyote problem. I had to go back to the store Monday to pick up something for it, and the place was a nightmare. Combination panic and Christmas buying. One guy was buying 50 30 round magazines, as he figured they'd be banned.

His story was like a doomsday prepper. Either he'll be ready when the mobs come after him, or he'll have these ready for barter. He said something about gold and silver will be worthless, but not his magazines.
Now, I wouldn't mind having a few of those magazine myself to hoard, but selling them would really be awkward. It would either be illegal, or gouging, neither of which I'd feel right doing.

Most of those type folks are actually going to just pass on a lot of stuff collecting dust to their heirs.

Actually in the 1994 ban, what was banned was the manufacturing of the magazines... Not selling or having them. So buy away and be prepared for the coming zombie apocalypse!

[salth2o]

What?????
English, please!

You have to press "1" for English.

[BigTip]

One guy was buying 50 30 round magazines, as he figured they'd be banned.

His story was like a doomsday prepper. Either he'll be ready when the mobs come after him, or he'll have these ready for barter. He said something about gold and silver will be worthless, but not his magazines.


This makes perfect sense to me. Not even saving them for an apocalypse, but just as an investment. I was thinking about getting a couple of rifles at the gun show for this reason. Supply and demand says that they will increase in value.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The Left's hysteria about guns, and the implication of even more governmental power have been wonderful for the guns and ammo industry. Investment situation just like gold, but with more ominous overtones.

[Curly Bill]

Bought a couple of 20-round mags for the Mini-14 in Academy today. Unfortunately they didn't have any ar-15 mags.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I actually bought a lever action rifle back on Nov 30 to help deal with my coyote problem.

Mrs. THA bought a Henry a while back, a very nice item!