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sappstuf
12/19/2012, 03:52 AM
The report from the Accountability Review Board was released....


The Board concluded that there was no protest prior to the attacks

I would really like to know what specific intelligence was so strong that caused the Obama administration to run with the protest story long after it was no longer plausible.


Systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels within two bureaus of the State Department (the “Department”) resulted in a Special Mission security posture that was inadequate for Benghazi

Hillary's political career should be done. But I honestly doubt she will ever be held accountable.


Overall, the number of Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) security staff in Benghazi on the day of the attack and in the months and weeks leading up to it was inadequate, despite repeated requests from Special Mission Benghazi and Embassy Tripoli for additional staffing.

They were begging for help... Didn't get it.


The insufficient Special Mission security platform was at variance with the appropriate Overseas Security Policy Board (OSPB) standards with respect to perimeter and interior security. Benghazi was also severely under-resourced with regard to certain needed security equipment

"at variance" is fancy term for it didn't meet our own requirements.


In the weeks and months leading up to the attacks, the response from post, Embassy Tripoli, and Washington to a deteriorating security situation was inadequate. At the same time, the SMC’s dependence on the armed but poorly skilled Libyan February 17 Martyrs’ Brigade (February 17) militia members and unarmed, locally contracted Blue Mountain Libya (BML) guards for security support was misplaced.

Hung them out to dry.


The Board found that Ambassador Stevens made the decision to travel to Benghazi independently of Washington, per standard practice.

Blame the dead guy.


The Board’s inquiry found little evidence that the armed February 17 guards offered any meaningful defense of the SMC, or succeeded in
summoning a February 17 militia presence to assist expeditiously.

There was no defense.


The Board recognizes that poor performance does not ordinarily constitute a breach of duty that would serve as a basis for disciplinary action but is instead addressed through the performance management system. However, the Board is of the view that findings of unsatisfactory leadership performance by senior officials in relation to the security incident under review should be a potential basis for discipline recommendations by future ARBs, and would recommend a revision of Department regulations or amendment to the relevant statute to this end.

No one will be held responsible.


However, 2012 saw an overall deterioration of the security environment in Benghazi, as highlighted by a series of security incidents
involving the Special Mission, international organizations, non-governmental organizations (NGOs), and third-country nationals and diplomats:

 March 18, 2012 – Armed robbery occurs at the British School in Benghazi.
 March 22, 2012 – Members of a militia searching for a suspect fire their weapons near the SMC and attempt to enter.
 April 2, 2012 – A UK armored diplomatic vehicle is attacked after driving into a local protest. The vehicle was damaged but occupants uninjured.
 April 6, 2012 – A gelatina bomb (traditional homemade explosive device used for fishing) is thrown over the SMC north wall.
 April 10, 2012 – An IED (gelatina or dynamite stick) is thrown at the motorcade of the UN Special Envoy to Libya in Benghazi.
 April 26, 2012 – Special Mission Benghazi principal officer is evacuated from International Medical University (IMU) after a fistfight escalated to
gunfire between Tripoli-based trade delegation security personnel and IMU security.
 April 27, 2012 – Two South African nationals in Libya as part of U.S.-funded weapons abatement, unexploded ordnance removal and demining
project are detained at gunpoint by militia, questioned and released.
 May 22, 2012 – Benghazi International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) building struck by rocket propelled grenades (RPGs).
 May 28, 2012 – A previously unknown organization, Omar Abdurrahman group, claims responsibility for the ICRC attack and issues a threat against the United States on social media sites.
 June 6, 2012 – IED attack on the SMC. The IED detonates with no injuries but blows a large hole in the compound’s exterior wall. Omar Abdurrahman
group makes an unsubstantiated claim of responsibility.
 June 8, 2012 – Two hand grenades target a parked UK diplomatic vehicle in Sabha (800 km south of Benghazi).
 June 11, 2012 – While in Benghazi, the British Ambassador’s convoy is attacked with an RPG and possible AK-47s. Two UK security officers are
injured; the UK closes its mission in Benghazi the following day.
 June 12, 2012 – An RPG attack is made on the ICRC compound in Misrata (400 km west of Benghazi).
 June 18, 2012 – Protestors storm the Tunisian consulate in Benghazi.
 July 29, 2012 – An IED is found on grounds of the Tibesti Hotel.
 July 30, 2012 – Sudanese Consul in Benghazi is carjacked and driver beaten.
 July 31, 2012 – Seven Iranian-citizen ICRC workers abducted in Benghazi.
 August 5, 2012 – ICRC Misrata office is attacked with RPGs. ICRC withdraws its representatives from Misrata and Benghazi.
 August 9, 2012 – A Spanish-American dual national NGO worker is abducted from the Islamic Cultural Center in Benghazi and released the
same day.
 August 20, 2012 – A small bomb is thrown at an Egyptian diplomat’s vehicle parked outside of the Egyptian consulate in Benghazi.

It is worth noting that the events above took place against a general backdrop of political violence, assassinations targeting former regime officials, lawlessness, and an overarching absence of central government authority in eastern Libya.

That is the back drop to which we had no security. Incredible.

Hillary's response?


She said that the State Department had already begun to address the lapses and that she accepts “every one” of the recommendations for improvement.

Wait... I thought she was suffering from a concussion? Does she have the mental capacity to accept "every one" of the recommendations? She is such a trooper.

cleller
12/19/2012, 07:56 AM
I'm sure the media will be unrelenting in trying to bring Barack and Hilary to their knees.

sappstuf
12/19/2012, 08:09 AM
That doesn't surprise me.

Here is the NYTimes' take on it and the Foxnews link is the actual report itself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/us/politics/inquiry-into-libya-attack-is-sharply-critical-of-state-department.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/12/18/accountability-review-board-report-on-benghazi-attack/

TheHumanAlphabet
12/19/2012, 10:38 AM
Hillary's political career should be done. But I honestly doubt she will ever be held accountable.

^^^This. Yet those effing libs will try to get her to run next time. She has shown she is a complete idiot and ineffectual. She should have her *** run out on rails. The Socialist should demand her resignation, yet he won't. And no one will be held accountable. At least the Brits fall on their swords from time to time... Our politicos have no decency.

JohnnyMack
12/19/2012, 11:23 AM
So if the argument is being made that it was "systemic failures" that caused Benghazi and that Hillary should have fallen on her sword over it, I suppose Condi Rice should have been incarcerated for 09/11.

yermom
12/19/2012, 11:29 AM
now post the classified one with the real story...

how much of a security detail would it have taken to protect them from the attack that was coming?

TheHumanAlphabet
12/19/2012, 11:40 AM
So if the argument is being made that it was "systemic failures" that caused Benghazi and that Hillary should have fallen on her sword over it, I suppose Condi Rice should have been incarcerated for 09/11.

What a stupid statement. Hillary was asked to improve security, several times. Rice had nothing to do regarding the perps.

sappstuf
12/19/2012, 12:29 PM
So if the argument is being made that it was "systemic failures" that caused Benghazi and that Hillary should have fallen on her sword over it, I suppose Condi Rice should have been incarcerated for 09/11.

Shhh. No one tell him how ignorant he looks since Condi didn't become SoS until 2005.

JohnnyMack
12/19/2012, 01:10 PM
Shhh. No one tell him how ignorant he looks since Condi didn't become SoS until 2005.

Oh. OK. Condi WASN'T the NSA to W when 09/11 happened? Sorry. My bad. And she wasn't warned by Richard Clarke either.

sappstuf
12/19/2012, 01:15 PM
Oh. OK. Condi WASN'T the NSA to W when 09/11 happened? Sorry. My bad. And she wasn't warned by Richard Clarke either.

Predictable. Unable to admit you were wrong, you try to spin it that for no reason at all, you just pulled Condi's name as the NSA out of a hat.

diverdog
12/19/2012, 01:22 PM
That doesn't surprise me.

Here is the NYTimes' take on it and the Foxnews link is the actual report itself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/us/politics/inquiry-into-libya-attack-is-sharply-critical-of-state-department.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/12/18/accountability-review-board-report-on-benghazi-attack/


Three senior staff members just resigned.

JohnnyMack
12/19/2012, 01:24 PM
Predictable. Unable to admit you were wrong, you try to spin it that for no reason at all, you just pulled Condi's name as the NSA out of a hat.

What was I wrong about? Did I ever say Condi was the SOS during 09/11? Sorry if I didn't lay it out in caveman language for you. See the SOS isn't responsible for National Security. That falls to....the National Security Advisor.

Soonerjeepman
12/19/2012, 02:24 PM
news in KC just mentioned the report...nothing more nothing less...

TheHumanAlphabet
12/19/2012, 03:04 PM
What was I wrong about? Did I ever say Condi was the SOS during 09/11? Sorry if I didn't lay it out in caveman language for you. See the SOS isn't responsible for National Security. That falls to....the National Security Advisor.


You implied it by responding with a quote describing the Secretary of Vajayjay.

SoonerProphet
12/19/2012, 03:09 PM
The report from the Accountability Review Board was released....

Blame the dead guy.

The Board found that Ambassador Stevens made the decision to travel to Benghazi independently of Washington, per standard practice. Timing for his trip was driven in part by commitments in Tripoli, as well as a staffing gap between principal officers in Benghazi. Plans for the Ambassador’s trip provided for minimal close protection security support and were not shared thoroughly with the Embassy’s country team, who were not fully aware of planned movements off compound. The Ambassador did not see a direct threat of an attack of this nature and scale on the U.S. Mission in the overall negative trendline of security incidents from spring to summer 2012. His status as the leading U.S. government advocate on Libya policy, and his expertise on Benghazi in particular, caused Washington to give unusual deference to his judgments.

TitoMorelli
12/19/2012, 03:16 PM
What was I wrong about? Did I ever say Condi was the SOS during 09/11? Sorry if I didn't lay it out in caveman language for you. See the SOS isn't responsible for National Security. That falls to....the National Security Advisor.

Geez, getting butt-hurt at others when you're the one who made a total *** of yourself?

JohnnyMack
12/19/2012, 03:23 PM
You implied it by responding with a quote describing the Secretary of Vajayjay.

I suppose it's not my fault someone is so politically oblivious to not know what it was I was initially referring to. Condi Rice and the Clarke memo is a pretty well known part of the history of 09/11.

TitoMorelli
12/19/2012, 03:25 PM
Keep digging, bro.

sappstuf
12/19/2012, 03:54 PM
What was I wrong about? Did I ever say Condi was the SOS during 09/11? Sorry if I didn't lay it out in caveman language for you. See the SOS isn't responsible for National Security. That falls to....the National Security Advisor.

Please lay it out for the cavemen... National Security Advisor

Advisor - one who gives advice.

You see in caveman world, the NSA doesn't have control of anything. That would be the President.. SecDef... SoS.

Nice try though.

TheHumanAlphabet
12/19/2012, 04:24 PM
JohnnyMack is the typical liberal...I am the smartest person in the room, bow to my intellect. Do as I say, not as I do...

JohnnyMack
12/19/2012, 05:25 PM
Please lay it out for the cavemen... National Security Advisor

Advisor - one who gives advice.

You see in caveman world, the NSA doesn't have control of anything. That would be the President.. SecDef... SoS.

Nice try though.

That's fine. The fact remains that the POTUS' NSA was presented the "Clarke Memo" in January of 2001: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/clarke%20memo.pdf and she chose not to do anything about it.

I suppose it's up to you to decide if you think she failed to do her job.

sappstuf
12/19/2012, 05:55 PM
SLADE GORTON, Commission member: Now, since my yellow light is on, at this point my final question will be this: Assuming that the recommendations that you made on January 25th of 2001, based on Delenda, based on Blue Sky, including aid to the Northern Alliance, which had been an agenda item at this point for two and a half years without any action, assuming that there had been more Predator reconnaissance missions, assuming that that had all been adopted say on January 26th, year 2001, is there the remotest chance that it would have prevented 9/11?

CLARKE: No.

You are trying to equate the 9/11 attacks that even the author of the memo says would in no way stopped 9/11 with what happened in Benghazi??

Good grief.

Try harder.

XingTheRubicon
12/19/2012, 05:58 PM
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JohnnyMack
12/19/2012, 06:29 PM
You are trying to equate the 9/11 attacks that even the author of the memo says would in no way stopped 9/11 with what happened in Benghazi??

Good grief.

Try harder.

I'm trying to point out that regardless of who's in charge, the idea of a systemic failure in a government as massive as ours is a real thing. You were ready to burn Hillary at the stake over systemic failures but were having a hard time admitting that situations such as these are real and they happen regardless of who's minding the store.

soonercruiser
12/19/2012, 09:44 PM
I'm sure the media will be unrelenting in trying to bring Barack and Hilary to their knees.

THIS^^^^
Page 11 of the Washington Post!

soonercruiser
12/19/2012, 09:49 PM
So if the argument is being made that it was "systemic failures" that caused Benghazi and that Hillary should have fallen on her sword over it, I suppose Condi Rice should have been incarcerated for 09/11.

Typical Alinskyian response!

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn212/SoonerCruiser_photos/Political/notfacism.jpg

Midtowner
12/19/2012, 10:36 PM
Typical Alinskyian response!

http://rjw57.github.com/notes/_images/montoya.jpg

8timechamps
12/19/2012, 11:37 PM
now post the classified one with the real story...

how much of a security detail would it have taken to protect them from the attack that was coming?

Typical MEGS consist of a few detachments. In a situation like Libya, I'm surprised there wasn't at least that many (25-30 Marines). That would have been more than enough to buy time until evac.

sappstuf
12/20/2012, 02:01 AM
Typical MEGS consist of a few detachments. In a situation like Libya, I'm surprised there wasn't at least that many (25-30 Marines). That would have been more than enough to buy time until evac.

I read an interesting story that said the attackers consisted of 3 12-man teams. 2 teams actually attacked the compound with the 3rd in reserve for attacking reinforcements that never came.

I say interesting because I read it as a sort of conspiracy theory. However, the author did make a claim about chemical weapons in Syria and about a week after the story was published, he was dead on.


One aspect of the weapons plan was to set up a false flag operation to make it appear that Assad used chemical weapons against his own people. Imagine the outcry from the civilized world to the news that Assad ‘gassed’ his own people. That would be an invitation to NATO and the West to openly intervene. Don’t forget about the timing of all of this. Two months before the elections, and time was running out. The job of taking out Assad was not yet complete. Such an event would quickly advance this agenda.

I don't know if it is true or not, but it does make for a good read.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51346

SoonerProphet
12/21/2012, 10:24 AM
Interesting read on the influx of cash headed towards the State Department. As always, throw money at the problem and bureaucratic inertia at its finest.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/12/benghazi-contractors/

8timechamps
12/21/2012, 05:19 PM
I read an interesting story that said the attackers consisted of 3 12-man teams. 2 teams actually attacked the compound with the 3rd in reserve for attacking reinforcements that never came.

I say interesting because I read it as a sort of conspiracy theory. However, the author did make a claim about chemical weapons in Syria and about a week after the story was published, he was dead on.



I don't know if it is true or not, but it does make for a good read.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51346

I usually scoff at the false flag claims, but sometimes I do wonder.

As for Benghazi, I do think it had to have been a sizable force the pulled off the attack. What's worse is that it was very probably done with weapons supplied/purchased by the US. What I cannot understand is that given how volatile the area was, why there wasn't more security detail. It doesn't meet the eye test. I think there is far more to the story than we'll probably ever know.

sappstuf
12/27/2012, 03:38 AM
Three senior staff members just resigned.

Apparently not...


The highest-ranking official caught up in the scandal, Assistant Secretary of State Eric Boswell, has not “resigned” from government service, as officials said last week. He is just switching desks. And the other three are simply on administrative leave and are expected back.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/benghazi_penalties_are_bogus_ncP7RZx5uTIgDPbTp5Wto N?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=International

diverdog
12/27/2012, 07:25 AM
Apparently not...

The ole Washington two step.

okie52
12/27/2012, 07:30 AM
Apparently not...

Yeah, but they felt bad enough to think about it.

StoopTroup
12/30/2012, 02:38 AM
I keep wondering how things would have worked out if Stephens and his detail had just gotten on a plane on 9-10-2012 and maybe spent a few days in Majorca Spain relaxing on the beach.

Arm chairing Benghazi can show how spending a little money at the right time on a few drinks, some food and lodging and maybe even some SPF 30 can be cheaper than a bunch of funerals and these Congressional Witch Hunts.

nutinbutdust
12/30/2012, 03:02 AM
Three senior staff members just resigned.

well sort of...LINKl (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/benghazi_penalties_are_bogus_ncP7RZx5uTIgDPbTp5Wto N?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=International)

The highest-ranking official caught up in the scandal, Assistant Secretary of State Eric Boswell, has not “resigned” from government service, as officials said last week. He is just switching desks. And the other three are simply on administrative leave and are expected back

Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton “has accepted Eric Boswell’s decision to resign as assistant secretary for diplomatic security, effective immediately.” What Nuland omitted was that Boswell gave up only the presidential appointment as assistant secretary, not his other portfolios.

The other officials — Deputy Assistant Secretaries Charlene Lamb and Raymond Maxwell, and a third who has not been identified — were found to have shown “performance inadequacies” but not “willful misconduct,” Pickering said, so they would not face discipline.

House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) told The Post this is “yet another ruse about the tragedy of Benghazi.”

“State Department officials proclaimed . . . that heads would roll . . . Now we see that the discipline is a lie and all that has happened is the shuffling of the deck chairs.”

soonercruiser
12/31/2012, 03:31 PM
So, what did we expect out of these LIARS???

StoopTroup
12/31/2012, 04:24 PM
I keep wondering how things would have worked out if Stephens and his detail had just gotten on a plane on 9-10-2012 and maybe spent a few days in Majorca Spain relaxing on the beach.

Arm chairing Benghazi can show how spending a little money at the right time on a few drinks, some food and lodging and maybe even some SPF 30 can be cheaper than a bunch of funerals and these Congressional Witch Hunts.

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