Pelosi's Lackey States Dem/Pelosi Proposal Was A "Ploy"

[FaninAma]

Apparently they are not interested in true negotiations. If Boehner keeps negotiating with himself he will not be the Speasker next year. He looks like an idiot.....even moreso than he already did.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/dec/18/house-dems-now-reject-gop-fiscal-cliff-offer-they-/

Is Boehner part French?

[badger]

Hi again FaninAma. Let's break down your linked content, shall we?


"A million and above," Mrs. Pelosi wrote. "Who can argue with that?"

Actually, Mrs. Pelosi can. Now that Mr. Boehner, Ohio Republican, has embraced the proposal in the "fiscal cliff" negotiations with President Obama, Mrs. Pelosi, California Democrat, and her team are urging their party's lawmakers to vote against it.


From my understanding, Senate Dems don't like to be told by House Dems what to do (especially since Senators think themselves above lowly two-year reps who are among hundreds of reps, while elite six-year senators are 100 strong), so does it matter if the House Dems, in the minority of the House, vote against this proposal? The House is also not the one to worry about filibusters, so there's really nothing House Dems, including Nancy Pelosi, can do except howl (much like Michigan Dems when battling right to work, heh).


Mr. Hoyer said the Republicans' proposal isn't a serious effort to cut the deficit.

"The math doesn't work," Mr. Hoyer told reporters.


I don't think anyone can argue this point. Taxes on millionaires/billionaires is not going to make a serious dent in the deficit like spending cuts would... or raised taxes on more people. Either/and/or.


"I think it's a political ploy to give his members some opportunity to respond to the public that thinks all the Republicans are doing is protecting the wealthy. We're going to urge our members to vote 'no.' The leader [Mrs. Pelosi] and I both agree, we're not for this."

Mr. Hoyer said it was a political ploy when Democrats proposed the same idea seven months ago.

"Very frankly, I think that Leader Pelosi floated that, again, as a political ploy," Mr. Hoyer said. "I think if you asked her, it was a political ploy. She wanted to show that Republicans wouldn't even vote for a million [tax increase]."

Like you said, Boehner's at risk of losing his leadership position if the negotiations don't lead to a trip away from the fiscal cliff. Pelosi has to be at risk of losing her minority leadership position to, because if nothing else, the majority gained in 2006 was lost under her leadership.

[Soonerjeepman]

The dems just want the rep to keep lowering their side to fit the the dems side. The dems won't agree to anything unless it's everything the dems want. We shall see. Like I said before, the polls now are more on the rep side to not give in all the way (we need BOTH an increase AND MAJOR cuts).

[FaninAma]

badger,

Your response doesn't disprove or rebut the original premise of my post. The GOP controls 1/3 of the process in this debate. They cannot control anything Harry "Mr. Senility" Reid does in the Senate. Boehner, against the wishes of his fiscal conservative base, has tried to meet the Democrats on the tax issue and agreed to a proposal by his counterpart in the minority party. Now we find out that was just political posturing. Boehner now has egg on his face and looks like a weak fool. I wonder how he is going to react?

Secondly, I know that raising taxes on people over $1 million in earnings doesn't help the defcit but neither does raising the tax rate on families making over $250,000 so they were both just political actions.

The Democrats have one goal....to drive a wedge between the GOP politicians and their base. And the sad thing is that the media willnot call them on it.

[rock on sooner]

Personally, I'd like to see all four leaders in the House and Senate
be replaced. The two Pubs are STILL afraid of the TPers, even though
the TPers lost a lot of their clout, both in the election and in general
reputation amongst the public. I've never liked Reid and Pelosi was only
right for the job for the first two years she had it....need all new faces.

[badger]

is anyone else reminded of the NBA lockout when hearing about the fiscal cliff negotiations?

[soonercruiser]

The House of Representatives controls the Pocket Book of the fed government!
That's a mighty big 1/3!

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Pelosi = vajayjay

[FaninAma]

I fully expect Boehner to toughen his stance because he allowed Pelosi and Obama to make him look like an idiot.

If you are serious about negotiating you avoid at all costs making your opposition look like idiots because that is hugely counterproductive and if the person you are negotiating with is just an elected representative of a group it weakens that person and increases the chances he or she will be replaced.

The Democrats are not serious. They want the reconciliation measure to go into effect. They want higher taxes on everybody and they want the military budget to be slashed.

The ironic thing is that I favor this too if there isn't going to be any other serious spending cut proposals but nobody should pretend that the Democrats ever tried seriously to avoid the financial cliff.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Fan, I am afraid that the sequestration is the only way we will see CUTS in anything on the budget. I'd almost like to see deep cuts everywhere and claw spending back up if required. The effing Dims don't want a deal and it is obvious. Boehner is done IMO. But if I were him, I would place Plan B (sounds like Plan 9 from outer space...) up for a vote and stop all negotations. I would pass Plan B send it to the Senate and adjourn.

[badger]

I kind of expect our dear elected officials to just go on Christmas break shortly, even with impending Mayan and fiscal doom.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I kind of expect our dear elected officials to just go on Christmas break shortly, even with impending Mayan and fiscal doom.Punting is the most popular option, esp. when the inmates control the asylum.

[badger]

Punting is the most popular option, esp. when the inmates control the asylum.
football analogy, eh?

is punting popular when the team is down two touchdowns late in the fourth quarter and you're outta timeouts?

or, to use a situation from the packers/bears game on sunday, is letting the clock run out to end the first half popular when you're down a touchdown to your in-conference rival?

the spectators will boo mercilessly if legislators go home for the holidays rather than do what they were elected to do :(

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

the spectators will boo mercilessly if legislators go home for the holidays rather than do what they were elected to do :(meh! election worries are over a year away, and the MSM will get their backs, anyway. Happy Christmas partying, Elected Spenders.

[KantoSooner]

This whole mess kind of demonstrates the need for a leadership that cuts deals. Boehner could have had a better deal than what he's willing to offer now if he'd just taken it 9 months ago.
But no, he was sure the GOP would get big gains out of the election. So, now he gets much less than he wanted and than he could have gotten.

In my view, it shows the value of being a bit humble and offering your opponents a better deal than you have to if you need their agreement at all. Not because they are suddenly come to love you and vote with you forever; but because you really can't know for sure that you'll get anything better.

Now watch as the Dems overplay their hand and make things worse.

[Soonerjeepman]

meh! election worries are over a year away, and the MSM will get their backs, anyway. Happy Christmas partying, Elected Spenders.
2 years...and yes I'd venture to guess 90% of them (both parties) really don't GAS about us anyway....

[TheHumanAlphabet]

... But if I were him, I would place Plan B (sounds like Plan 9 from outer space...) up for a vote and stop all negotations. I would pass Plan B send it to the Senate and adjourn.

Boehner must read SF, he has taken my advise and dumped the hugest tax increase in history into The Socialist's lap. Up to him to get a deal, which we know he doesn't want one...