Im still of the Opinion that

[olevetonahill]

If we had More of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p09woi5xoQo

[olevetonahill]

And Less of THIS we would have a better world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8MFkSJMvTU

[yermom]

Vet, you shot real guns at real people, how did that affect you?

[Sooner in Tampa]

I am not sure how it affected vet...but it taught me the value of a human life. With the resposibility of having a weapon...comes with great responsibility. It's not a toy...it's not for fun...**** is real when you have a weapon and rounds...RESPECT IT!!!

[olevetonahill]

Vet, you shot real guns at real people, how did that affect you?

You've met me. You tell me. I know Ive pretty much withdrawn from society,

Reminds of when I was a Cop, I was having Coffee 2-3 in the Morning with another cop. He asked me How I felt when I put on the Badge and Weapon? I simply told him Very Humble because of the weight of the responsibilty.

He looked at me and said " Not ME, It makes me FEEL powerful"

I pushed my cup away and got up, as I was leaving I told him Its ***-holes Like YOU that scare me

[yermom]

some people snap.

some of them had military training. like Charles Whitman, Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh.

i'm pretty sure the first two didn't play video games

[olevetonahill]

some people snap.

some of them had military training. like Charles Whitman, Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh.

i'm pretty sure the first two didn't play video games

Come on Dave, I have never said that the Games WERE the cause , Only that they wre prolly a contributin factor. Ive never said to bain em, I have said that there needs to be Parental controls on how much and how often a kid can play that carp


Just like if a 100 kids get exposed to chicken Pox all 100 aint gonna get it just those susceptible

[badger]

Nothing but respect to our oldest of vets on the tallest of hills, but I have found that those that associate vidya games with violence are those that have not played vidya games, or think they still stick quarters in the slots at the local bar and try to eat the little dots before the monsters aren't blue anymore.

The association seemed to start around the time it was discovered that the Columbine shooters played a violent video game called "Doom." There were even rumors (not true) that one of the mods one of the shooters created resembled Columbine High School, so that the player was shooting students in school hallways.

The association has been furthered by politicians like Joseph Lieberman and Hillary Clinton, as well as nutcase disbarred lawyer Jack Thompson, who went so far as to call a game called "Bully" (a rated T for teen game that puts you in the role of a teenage prep school student trying to deal with the various cliques of the school in silly ways) a "Columbine simulator."

The association continues because people don't actually see what video games today are --- things that eat up time that allow the same anonymity of the Internet to act like silly d00shebags, even if you're 5 years old and would get grounded for life if your parents knew what you were saying.

The real reason I don't think hardcore video gamers are behind mass shootings like this is because they're too busy off playing these games, spending endless hours all night (and sleeping all day) playing... and when game companies try to introduce fake weapons to make it a more realistic simulation, gamers shun them in favor a little button mashing controller.

So anyways, gamers don't kill. They don't train you to kill, they don't encourage you to kill, they don't lead little Johnny and little Jane to think or act violently.

[Midtowner]

^And as I've pointed out at least a few times, vet still can't give us an explanation for the precipitous drop in gun violence being accompanied by skyrocketing sales of violent video games. Sure causation isn't proven, but the facts aren't present to justify his inference.

[KantoSooner]

Don't mean to go all Freud here, but do you think that someone who's been in real combat might find the whole concept of make believe combat as a game to be somewhat repugnant?
It seems like a real possibility to me.

[OU68]

Nothing but respect to our oldest of vets on the tallest of hills, but I have found that those that associate vidya games with violence are those that have not played vidya games, or think they still stick quarters in the slots at the local bar and try to eat the little dots before the monsters aren't blue anymore.

The association seemed to start around the time it was discovered that the Columbine shooters played a violent video game called "Doom." There were even rumors (not true) that one of the mods one of the shooters created resembled Columbine High School, so that the player was shooting students in school hallways.

The association has been furthered by politicians like Joseph Lieberman and Hillary Clinton, as well as nutcase disbarred lawyer Jack Thompson, who went so far as to call a game called "Bully" (a rated T for teen game that puts you in the role of a teenage prep school student trying to deal with the various cliques of the school in silly ways) a "Columbine simulator."

The association continues because people don't actually see what video games today are --- things that eat up time that allow the same anonymity of the Internet to act like silly d00shebags, even if you're 5 years old and would get grounded for life if your parents knew what you were saying.

The real reason I don't think hardcore video gamers are behind mass shootings like this is because they're too busy off playing these games, spending endless hours all night (and sleeping all day) playing... and when game companies try to introduce fake weapons to make it a more realistic simulation, gamers shun them in favor a little button mashing controller.

So anyways, gamers don't kill. They don't train you to kill, they don't encourage you to kill, they don't lead little Johnny and little Jane to think or act violently.

You're the frog in the pot of cool water on the stove...

[olevetonahill]

Don't mean to go all Freud here, but do you think that someone who's been in real combat might find the whole concept of make believe combat as a game to be somewhat repugnant?
It seems like a real possibility to me.

Thanks bro.

My whole premise is the simple fact that if ONE unbalanced kid gets hooked on those games he may not be able to understand reality

Matlock How in hell am I supposed to "Prove" a Personal Opinion? Like I said you just keep postin dumber and dumber shat.

Ima leave this alone now because even some of the Posters here that I consider sane are misunderstanding My view

[badger]

^And as I've pointed out at least a few times, vet still can't give us an explanation for the precipitous drop in gun violence being accompanied by skyrocketing sales of violent video games. Sure causation isn't proven, but the facts aren't present to justify his inference.
He gave his opinion and I gave mine. I don't think either of us need to prove anything about how we feelz. :)


Don't mean to go all Freud here, but do you think that someone who's been in real combat might find the whole concept of make believe combat as a game to be somewhat repugnant?
It seems like a real possibility to me.
Agree... although the troops really seem to love it when pro wrestling visits overseas. :D

You're the frog in the pot of cool water on the stove...
Aren't we all.

My whole premise is the simple fact that if ONE unbalanced kid gets hooked on those games he may not be able to understand reality
If a kid is unbalanced, video games wouldn't be the only thing that could potentially set them off, sadly.

[8timechamps]

Don't mean to go all Freud here, but do you think that someone who's been in real combat might find the whole concept of make believe combat as a game to be somewhat repugnant?
It seems like a real possibility to me.

I've been in real combat, and I've played Call of Duty. I didn't find it repugnant, because the two are nothing alike. I didn't particularly enjoy the game, but that had nothing to do with the subject matter. It was mostly because I sucked at the game. Just not my cup of tea.


As an aside, I think Vet's view is that kids left to play these games for hours and hours, without any parental interaction, are being exposed to influences that could be harmful. I don't disagree with that.

[badger]

As an aside, I think Vet's view is that kids left to play these games for hours and hours, without any parental interaction, are being exposed to influences that could be harmful. I don't disagree with that.

A kid in the OKC area (early teens) was recently convicted of murdering his 9-month-old sister. He reportedly shook her because her crying was interrupting his Call of Duty game. (http://newsok.com/jurors-convict-oklahoma-city-teen-of-killing-baby-sister/article/3726688)

So, I agree that if he wasn't so wrapped up in his violent video game that he wouldn't have done something that caused his baby sister to die. However, I'm not entirely convinced that an irresponsible teen wouldn't have done the exact same thing if he was wrapped up in something else, like watching TV, playing on the Internet, making out with his girlfriend, etc.

I would agree that video games, especially M for mature ones, are not something to leave children unattended for hours involved with. However, I'd say the same thing about cable TV, the Internet, etc.

[C&CDean]

A kid in the OKC area (early teens) was recently convicted of murdering his 9-month-old sister. He reportedly shook her because her crying was interrupting his Call of Duty game. (http://newsok.com/jurors-convict-oklahoma-city-teen-of-killing-baby-sister/article/3726688)

So, I agree that if he wasn't so wrapped up in his violent video game that he wouldn't have done something that caused his baby sister to die. However, I'm not entirely convinced that an irresponsible teen wouldn't have done the exact same thing if he was wrapped up in something else, like watching TV, playing on the Internet, making out with his girlfriend, etc.

I would agree that video games, especially M for mature ones, are not something to leave children unattended for hours involved with. However, I'd say the same thing about cable TV, the Internet, etc.

I don't know. Today's video games are downright addictive. Like crack. I've seen my own boys playing them at 3 o'clock in the morning...and they were playing them at 8 o'clock the night before. All ****ing night on some Call to Duty horse****? Really? Crack.

[8timechamps]

I don't know. Today's video games are downright addictive. Like crack. I've seen my own boys playing them at 3 o'clock in the morning...and they were playing them at 8 o'clock the night before. All ****ing night on some Call to Duty horse****? Really? Crack.

I get the fun of video games, but the Call of Duty is one I don't relate with. My kids are the same way, and I think it has more to do with their friends playing with them online (or Live) than the actual game.

Addictive indeed.

[SicEmBaylor]

I never had parental limits on what I watched or the sorts of games that I played. My parents bought me my first computer when I was 5, a Commodore 64, and I immediately started playing Rambo on it. I loved playing GI Joe as a kid, had "gun fights" with my friends, and watched violent movies.

As I got into middle school, I spent hours a day playing Doom and later Quake. I played it all. To this day, I'm a video game "nut" and play a hell of a lot of BF3 and COD (likely the same games this shooter played).

Now, never in my life have I ever ever wanted to physically harm another human being. The idea of bringing pain to an innocent human being absolutely churns my stomach. There is no way no how that anything I ever watched or played had a negative impact on my ability to empathize with others or cause me to become a violent person.

The difference here is that I am not an anti-social unempathetic lunatic that suffers from whatever personality disorder would lead him to shoot up a school of 1st graders. My point is, the video games have absolutely nothing to do it. I know you're saying they could have been a contributing factor, but I think anyone ****ed up enough to do what he did would have had something else trigger his lunacy regardless of whether or not he played video games.

Video games are no more responsible for his actions than the gun.

[yermom]

I don't know. Today's video games are downright addictive. Like crack. I've seen my own boys playing them at 3 o'clock in the morning...and they were playing them at 8 o'clock the night before. All ****ing night on some Call to Duty horse****? Really? Crack.

it's not like that **** is new. same applies to any game. i've played poker til the sun came up more than once. Age of Empires, NCAA Football, Gran Turismo...

[SicEmBaylor]

it's not like that **** is new. same applies to any game. i've played poker til the sun came up more than once. Age of Empires, NCAA Football, Gran Turismo...
We'll never hear from Dean again if they ever come out with a HP MMORPG.

[jk the sooner fan]

video games are like vegas and booze

some people can handle them

and some people can not

some people escape reality - and live in that fantasy world of the video game- playing them for hours and hours

the kids that vet are talking about are the exception - but they do exist

saying that video games dont have any impact on ANY body - is foolish

[8timechamps]

video games are like vegas and booze

some people can handle them

and some people can not

some people escape reality - and live in that fantasy world of the video game- playing them for hours and hours

the kids that vet are talking about are the exception - but they do exist

saying that video games dont have any impact on ANY body - is foolish

Agreed, but I am of the opinion that video games have no more impact than movies or television.

[C&CDean]

video games are like vegas and booze

some people can handle them

and some people can not

some people escape reality - and live in that fantasy world of the video game- playing them for hours and hours

the kids that vet are talking about are the exception - but they do exist

saying that video games dont have any impact on ANY body - is foolish

Well stated, but it'd be so much better with punctuation and ****.

[C&CDean]

it's not like that **** is new. same applies to any game. i've played poker til the sun came up more than once. Age of Empires, NCAA Football, Gran Turismo...

You know, it's making sense. We've got 2 gamers on here. One is a guy who drives a car straight out of some Japo crapo car crash video game, and the other drives **** like miatas, mopeds, and bugs, and still hasn't left home or graduated after a decade+ of college and crap. You see how bad video games can be peoples?

[SicEmBaylor]

saying that video games dont have any impact on ANY body - is foolish
I didn't say it doesn't have some impact on some people. I just said that video games aren't the cause of these acts and the types of people who would do such a thing would probably be "set off" by something regardless of whether they play games or not.

I think I have a real issue, and consider it somewhat dangerous, to scapegoat the guy's actions on some other factor whether it be games, movies, tv, or even the guns themselves. It absolves the lunatic of a certain degree of personal responsibility, and I think that's a very bad thing.

100% of the blame rests with the shooter.

[jk the sooner fan]

I didn't say it doesn't have some impact on some people. I just said that video games aren't the cause of these acts and the types of people who would do such a thing would probably be "set off" by something regardless of whether they play games or not.

I think I have a real issue, and consider it somewhat dangerous, to scapegoat the guy's actions on some other factor whether it be games, movies, tv, or even the guns themselves. It absolves the lunatic of a certain degree of personal responsibility, and I think that's a very bad thing.

100% of the blame rests with the shooter.

do you know what Ted Bundy attributes to his killing spree? pornography - now i don't mean this to be a rant on pornography - but what i AM saying is that every individual is......well, an individual. for you to say that a single person can't be motivated by a video game is to ignore the kids who jumped off buildings because they wanted to fly after watching superman

some people are stronger minded than others - but the super weak ones, the ones that dont fit in - the ones that can't cope with normal everyday life - are definitely motivated to behave by something simple as a video game

did it apply in this shooting? who knows, we can't interview the ******* because he's dead

are you saying that people who commit such evil just woke up one morning and decided "hey i'ma go shoot up the school today"

no, do a little research/study on the human brain, psychology, etc......these people are developed over time and there ARE attributing factors, environmental, people, etc etc

to dismiss what played a role in how they got from point A to point B is again......foolish


p.s., please feel free to insert punctuation where ever you'd like :D

[jk the sooner fan]

and re: Bundy - he made the porn comments during a series of interview just weeks before he went to the death chamber, he didnt use it as a crutch or an excuse -but an explanation for the role it played in the corruption of his brain....it was a fantasy place that turned into a reality for him

[yermom]

You know, it's making sense. We've got 2 gamers on here. One is a guy who drives a car straight out of some Japo crapo car crash video game, and the other drives **** like miatas, mopeds, and bugs, and still hasn't left home or graduated after a decade+ of college and crap. You see how bad video games can be peoples?

i am not really that much of a gamer, really. i was a productive member of society during most of the video game time mentioned. Gran Turismo did heavily influence my car choice though. heavily.

[jk the sooner fan]

here's a comment from an article that i thought was good - i bolded the part that resonated the most with me


But director Quentin Tarantino, who has built his career on depictions of graphic violence in films like “Inglourious Basterds” and “Kill Bill,” said he was tired of having to defend his movies, noting that “tragedies happen” and the blame should fall on those guilty of committing them.

“Quentin Tarantino seems to believe he is magically disconnected from the human race. Somehow everything he creates has no impact on us? He’s not the only director or movie producer who denies any negative effect from their work,” scoffed documentary producer Nicole Clark, who also educates young children on the effects of the media.“But ask any of these producers or directors if they think films can have a positive effect on society, and they will instantly say yes."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/12/17/discovery-hit-american-guns-canceled-as-hollywood-wrestles-with-links-to-gun/?intcmp=features#ixzz2FMYme5aS

[olevetonahill]

Even Jamie Foxx puts some of the Blame on Hollywood

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/jamie-foxx-connecticut-shooting_n_2310638.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

[Midtowner]

http://i.imgur.com/Xpyv6.jpg

[olevetonahill]

Yer just a One string ****in Banjo aint ya?

[Midtowner]

Yer just a One string ****in Banjo aint ya?

And no matter how little you know about the subject or how much evidence there is to suggest you're full of ****, you just keep on keeping on, right?

[rock on sooner]

Agreed, but I am of the opinion that video games have no more impact than movies or television.

8x, I'd agree if it was just watching a tv show once or twice or seeing a movie
once or twice. The issue, imo, with video games is that the game invites, no,
demands multiple viewings/playings to become "good" at the game. The eventual
disconnect from reality is that the gamer becomes immersed in the non reality
and, suddenly, desensitized to the violence and mayhem. Added to the obvious
mental issues, then a truly dangerous individual may emerge. Jus sayin'..

[olevetonahill]

And no matter how little you know about the subject or how much evidence there is to suggest you're full of ****, you just keep on keeping on, right?

What evidence ? Matlock you Post a graph that you could have easily made on your computer, You give No reference as to where it came from
Color me Unimpressed.
Plus I have stated repeatedly that its MY OWN ****IN OPINION what part of that do you not understand ya ****in idiot.

You have seized on this One issue and keep trying to get me to PROVE my Opinion. While you post all sorts of Graphs and charts that dont mean **** in an effort to convinvce me Im wrong in my O. Guess what I DGAS what YOU think .
Yer a Pathetic little Lib troll
Have a Nice day

[olevetonahill]

8x, I'd agree if it was just watching a tv show once or twice or seeing a movie
once or twice. The issue, imo, with video games is that the game invites, no,
demands multiple viewings/playings to become "good" at the game. The eventual
disconnect from reality is that the gamer becomes immersed in the non reality
and, suddenly, desensitized to the violence and mayhem. Added to the obvious
mental issues, then a truly dangerous individual may emerge. Jus sayin'..

Dayum Bro, Some Libs do have some Common sense dont they. :eagerness:

[FirstandGoal]

8x, I'd agree if it was just watching a tv show once or twice or seeing a movie
once or twice. The issue, imo, with video games is that the game invites, no,
demands multiple viewings/playings to become "good" at the game. The eventual
disconnect from reality is that the gamer becomes immersed in the non reality
and, suddenly, desensitized to the violence and mayhem. Added to the obvious
mental issues, then a truly dangerous individual may emerge. Jus sayin'..

I can agree with this. 8TC seems to be a good father and I'm sure his kids are well-adjusted normal members of society. This is true for the great majority of kids who play these games. My problem though is the incessant playing with no parental supervision. My son went through a phase like this for about a year when he was 15-16 and I had to start setting some firm boundaries on how much he could play. He didn't like it, and we got into a few tussles over it, but in the end I was the parent and he did as I told him to do no matter how much he resented me doing it.
Some kids could play these games 12 hours per day every day and not suffer a whit, but some can't. Sadly, these are also a lot of the same kids who have minimal parental supervision/role models for life and its just a bad scene waiting to happen.
Almost anything in moderation is okay, but on the flip side almost anything to extreme excess is very damaging.

[olevetonahill]

I can agree with this. 8TC seems to be a good father and I'm sure his kids are well-adjusted normal members of society. This is true for the great majority of kids who play these games. My problem though is the incessant playing with no parental supervision. My son went through a phase like this for about a year when he was 15-16 and I had to start setting some firm boundaries on how much he could play. He didn't like it, and we got into a few tussles over it, but in the end I was the parent and he did as I told him to do no matter how much he resented me doing it.
Some kids could play these games 12 hours per day every day and not suffer a whit, but some can't. Sadly, these are also a lot of the same kids who have minimal parental supervision/role models for life and its just a bad scene waiting to happen.
Almost anything in moderation is okay, but on the flip side almost anything to extreme excess is very damaging.

Look out F&G Matlock will be callin you Crazy next :D

[rock on sooner]

Dayum Bro, Some Libs do have some Common sense dont they. :eagerness:

Welp, sense, but I dunno how common it is, given the number
of times I been told otherwise....:biggrin:

[FirstandGoal]

Look out F&G Matlock will be callin you Crazy next :D


LOL, I have that dumas on iggy and I could give a rat's *** what he thinks of me.

[olevetonahill]

Welp, sense, but I dunno how common it is, given the number
of times I been told otherwise....:biggrin:

:star:


LOL, I have that dumas on iggy and I could give a rat's *** what he thinks of me.

IM still LMAO over how much effort over the last 3 er 4 days hes expended trying to disprove my OPINION.:tears_of_joy:

[rock on sooner]

:star:



IM still LMAO over how much effort over the last 3 er 4 days hes expended trying to disprove my OPINION.:tears_of_joy:

Prolly cause you think it's fact...:smug:

[olevetonahill]

Prolly cause you think it's fact...:smug:

I dont think its FACT I know its FACT , Matlock has been doing that :welcoming:

[olevetonahill]

HMMMMM, Guess Im not the Only one who thinks this.

http://news.yahoo.com/congressional-backing-grows-gun-control-debate-220341844--politics.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional gun rights supporters showed an increased willingness Tuesday to consider new legislation to control firearms in the aftermath of the Connecticut school shootings — provided it also addresses mental health issues and the impact of violent video games.

[rock on sooner]

HMMMMM, Guess Im not the Only one who thinks this.

http://news.yahoo.com/congressional-backing-grows-gun-control-debate-220341844--politics.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional gun rights supporters showed an increased willingness Tuesday to consider new legislation to control firearms in the aftermath of the Connecticut school shootings — provided it also addresses mental health issues and the impact of violent video games.

Well, Vet, it just proves that the inmates are STILL in control of the
nuthouse! Where's Nurse Kratchet when ya need her?

[olevetonahill]

Well, Vet, it just proves that the inmates are STILL in control of the
nuthouse! Where's Nurse Kratchet when ya need her?

Did ya read theres BOTH Repubs AND Dems backing that?

Point being If you dont think those affect some one then you aint all there again just MHO

Do they affect everyone who plays em? Hell no never said they did. Just like every one with a AR with a 30 rd Mag aint gonna go shoot up the world . As we;ve seen it only takes ONE.

Why not look at it instead os just saying Games aint the Prob. Yall bitch and moan when we say Guns aint the Prob

[SanJoaquinSooner]

I figure for the gun dealers, any publicity is good publicity.

[olevetonahill]

Seems those games may have had a part after all .

http://news.yahoo.com/week-school-massacre-details-emerge-221307184.html

Someone in the class brought in a video game called "Counter-Strike," a first-person shooting video game in which players compete against each other as either terrorists or counter-terrorists, Frost said.

Lanza "seemed pretty interested in the game," Frost recalled, and would play it with other students. He remembers the weapons Lanza chose: an M4 military-style assault rifle and a Glock handgun.

During the rampage at the school, Lanza used a military-style assault rifle and carried handguns, authorities said.

[8timechamps]

The problem is that the video game is a multi-billion dollar industry, on par with movies and television, so in the end, they'll treat video games just like they do movies and TV. That's to say they won't do anything.