Final Popular Vote Percentages

[FaninAma]

Romney 49%
Obama 51%

Yep, looks like a mandate to me and supports the progressives' assertion that the GOP needs to retool their message.

Obama won with the lowest popular vote percentage of any incumbent who has ever been re-elected. Only 3 incumbent Presidents have ever been defeated in their re-election bids one of whom had the headwinds of a 3rd party candidate(1992).

Nothing should be inferred from this election regarding Obama's mandate from the voters.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Oh, but its a tax increase and a gun control mandate....didn't you hear...

[TitoMorelli]

I read somewhere that he's also the only president in US history to be re-elected with fewer votes than he received four years before.

Had he not had such astronomically high favorable ratings at the outset of his first term, he probably wouldn't have had enough support to survive the election. Even then, he had to bribe little 20-somethings by letting them stay on mommy's insurance plan, kiss Hispanic asses with promises of immigration amnesty (reform my eye), and fellate the gay community by appearing to "evolve."

Is there any self-respecting segment of society he can still turn to with promises of favors and goodies? If rumors of impending widespread layoffs are true, if evidence should be made public that Benghazi was as big a clusterf*** as feared (with an orchestrated cover-up to boot), if any of a dozen detrimental things play out or come to light, he has no capital left to save him. Even Nancy Pelosi will treat him with about as much respect as she shows the undocumented workers that she stiffs out of a decent salary.

[Soonerjeepman]

don't forget the full effect of obamma care is postponed til 2014..we shall see...

[FaninAma]

don't forget the full effect of obamma care is postponed til 2014..we shall see...
We're already starting to see the effects. The administrators of the Medicaid program in Oklahoma(Soonercare) have already had meetings with physicians and hospital adminstrators telling them to expect cuts as much as 20% on fees to docotrs and hospitals as they start to expand the rolls of currently unisured patients that will be added to the Medicaid rolls. I work in one primary location and moonlight in 2 others. The primary location will continue to accept Medicaid but is looking at ways to reduce costs including cutting ancillary services. The other 2 are already planning to cut back on the number of Medicaid patients they see....one facility (private ER) is considering not accepting Medicaid at all.

[StoopTroup]

I heard Karl Rove is still adding things up.

[SoonerorLater]

May I recommend you all tune in for the new season of Doomsday Preppers.

[East Coast Bias]

May I recommend you all tune in for the new season of Doomsday Preppers.

LOL, I was thinking the same thing. I know all this whining is therapy,but I think we will all be better off when they quit going Jonestown over this defeat and move on....

[FaninAma]

LOL, I was thinking the same thing. I know all this whining is therapy,but I think we will all be better off when they quit going Jonestown over this defeat and move on....

Get back to me in about 6-9 months and lets see if you still think it is whining or if some of our concerns were legitimate ....especially in the health care field.

[East Coast Bias]

Get back to me in about 6-9 months and lets see if you still think it is whining or if some of our concerns were legitimate ....especially in the health care field.

I know your angry,I can feel your pain, i see all your posts. Maybe it will take a few more minutes, maybe a few more days, get it all out....

[FaninAma]

I know your angry,I can feel your pain, i see all your posts. Maybe it will take a few more minutes, maybe a few more days, get it all out....

Anger? No. Disappointment that my children have to suffer the consequences of the actions of short-sighted, ill-informed voters like you? Yep. Of course I don't expect you to understand why. I will wager that I and my family are a lot better prepared for the economic mess headed this way over the next 4 years than you are....especially financially. But go ahead and be a pr*ck. It will give me even greater pleasure when the economy is in shambles in a couple of years knowing it blindsided people like you.

Was that the response you had hoped for when you posted your juvenile dig?

[East Coast Bias]

Anger? No. Disappointment that my children have to suffer the consequences of the actions of short-sighted, ill-informed voters like you? Yep. Of course I don't expect you to understand why. I will wager that I and my family are a lot better prepared for the economic mess headed this way over the next 4 years than you are....especially financially. But go ahead and be a pr*ck. It will give me even greater pleasure when the economy is in shambles in a couple of years knowing it blindsided people like you.

I am being a prick? And are all people that don't agree with you short sighted and ill-informed? This is the internet, remember?You don't know me and certainly don't know anything about my finances. I am pretty sure you could stand on your wallet and I would still be taller than you.

[FaninAma]

I am being a prick? And are all people that don't agree with you short sighted and ill-informed? This is the internet, remember?You don't know me and certainly don't know anything about my finances. I am pretty sure you could stand on your wallet and I would still be taller than you.

Answer to the first question. Yes.

Answer to the 2nd question. If you can't see that this country can't continue to spend like it has on entitlement programs(as well as the military) and continue to be a viable economic power and don't care to research the issues....yes.

My response ce to your last statement: I have no freaking idea what your point is but I suspect that if you think the country is headed in the right direction economically then I have a pretty good idea you feel no need to make arrangements for an economic downturn caused by government overspending and devaluation of our currency.

As far as the tone of my reply to you? Normally I feel it is appropriate to try and be civil even when I disagree with the other person but when somebody goes out of their way to be a smart@$$ and attempts to find humor in my sincerely held belief then I feel much less compelled to be civil.

[MichiganSooner]

Campaign run on junk including the media calling Mitt a liar. Media did not dig into Obama on Benghazi attack; let him and his people call it a video demo. Mitt and Paul repeatedly discussed the fiscal cliff. Obama and Biden just talked about taxing the rich, blaming Bush, and needing 4 more years.
Guess what happens on January 1? All those democrats and the lying media get to tell America the Bush tax cuts are done. When all the Obama voters look at their return at their local H&R Block and hear they owe big time taxes, all crap will break lose. Of course, most will see withholding to cover an additional 2-4 grand taken out of their checks. But many still will not "get the refund" from H&R. What do you mean, no refund? Do you have health insurance and with what company? I have ObamaCare. No, I need your health insurance policy number. I don't have one, I have ObamaCare. I'm afraid you're getting docked on taxes for not having insurance. But I have ObamaCare and IT'S FREE!!

[Midtowner]

Get back to me in about 6-9 months and lets see if you still think it is whining or if some of our concerns were legitimate ....especially in the health care field.

Didn't I hear that about 6 months ago? And six months before that? And six months before that? The doom and gloom has not come to pass.

[Midtowner]

May I recommend you all tune in for the new season of Doomsday Preppers.

I listened to parts of the Glen Beck show driving between El Reno and OKC yesterday... lots of Gold Line commercials for the looming financial crash, some callers stating that Sandy was sent by God to punish us and wake us up... Crazy meltdown stuff. I'm guessing the "food insurance" folks are going to be doing major ad buys.

[East Coast Bias]

Answer to the first question. Yes.

Answer to the 2nd question. If you can't see that this country can't continue to spend like it has on entitlement programs(as well as the military) and continue to be a viable economic power and don't care to research the issues....yes.

My response ce to your last statement: I have no freaking idea what your point is but I suspect that if you think the country is headed in the right direction economically then I have a pretty good idea you feel no need to make arrangements for an economic downturn caused by government overspending and devaluation of our currency.

As far as the tone of my reply to you? Normally I feel it is appropriate to try and be civil even when I disagree with the other person but when somebody goes out of their way to be a smart@$$ and attempts to find humor in my sincerely held belief then I feel much less compelled to be civil.

I feel like I am exorcising all your demons in this exchange. I will admitt to finding humor in the whole chicken little routine, but isn't that what we do here? I don't disagree with your spending assessment , especially in terms of the military. I feel like what we need is compromise from both sides and the general public wants that as well. The Pubs need to compromise on the revenue side and the Dems need to compromise on the entitlement side. For myself I believe it will happen, and if not some more politicians will be out of work mid-term.

As far as your tone, I think you are a better person than this reflects and possibly are just angry about the election. But then again , I do not know you. I will make this claim about myself: In my meager 500 posts I have never called another poster a name, although have considered it many times.

If you want to debate health-care sometime i would be up for the challenge. I have written my own health-care plan, how many folks can say that?

[kevpks]

I listened to parts of the Glen Beck show driving between El Reno and OKC yesterday... lots of Gold Line commercials for the looming financial crash, some callers stating that Sandy was sent by God to punish us and wake us up... Crazy meltdown stuff. I'm guessing the "food insurance" folks are going to be doing major ad buys.

I heard that too. Plus calls to buy guns and farmlands and for people in the East to get out of there and move to a place with like-minded people. Brace yourself Oklahomans. Here they come!

[SanDiegoSoonerGal]

Romney 49%
Obama 51%

Yep, looks like a mandate to me and supports the progressives' assertion that the GOP needs to retool their message.

Obama won with the lowest popular vote percentage of any incumbent who has ever been re-elected. Only 3 incumbent Presidents have ever been defeated in their re-election bids one of whom had the headwinds of a 3rd party candidate(1992).

Nothing should be inferred from this election regarding Obama's mandate from the voters.

I'm the first to admit, I am horrible with math. Really awful.

But 51 percent to 49 percent is two percentage points, right? Surely I can get that much correct.

Results of popular vote from Bush vs. Kerry 2004: 50 percent to 48 percent. Isn't that two percentage points as well?

And back then we had this:

"President Bush ran forthrightly on a clear agenda for this nation's future, and the nation responded by giving him a mandate," said Mr. Cheney, who called the hard-fought, intensely personal and often vituperative campaign "a tremendously uplifting experience."

Good grief I'm horrible at math. Or something.

[Midtowner]

Campaign run on junk including the media calling Mitt a liar.

Mitt flipped on dang near every position he took in the primary. That makes him fair game for such charges.


Media did not dig into Obama on Benghazi attack; let him and his people call it a video demo.

As we have learned since, most of the Republican hulaballoo here was complete fiction. There never was a stand down order and all assets were mobilized as quickly as they could be. Yes, there was not enough security, but the President does not decide what sorts of security staffing we have at individual compounds. The media screened this out as a non-election issue.


Mitt and Paul repeatedly discussed the fiscal cliff. Obama and Biden just talked about taxing the rich, blaming Bush, and needing 4 more years.

Obama discussed it many times, especially in that he would veto anything which didn't raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans. As far as his campaign and electioneering goes, maybe Romney/Ryan are wishing they had mentioned it less and honed in on a message the average voter cared about?


Guess what happens on January 1? All those democrats and the lying media get to tell America the Bush tax cuts are done. When all the Obama voters look at their return at their local H&R Block and hear they owe big time taxes, all crap will break lose. Of course, most will see withholding to cover an additional 2-4 grand taken out of their checks.

You're talking about 2013. Myself and most job creators know how to adjust our withholdings, it's a PITA to refigure everyone's withholding, but it's not hard.


But many still will not "get the refund" from H&R. What do you mean, no refund? Do you have health insurance and with what company? I have ObamaCare. No, I need your health insurance policy number. I don't have one, I have ObamaCare. I'm afraid you're getting docked on taxes for not having insurance. But I have ObamaCare and IT'S FREE!!

That's not the way it works and you know it. Stop it with the silly season-in-the-Republican-facts-don't-matter-bubble sorts of remarks. Here on Earth, we know ObamaCare doesn't work like that, will actually help folks make better choices on healthcare, control rate increases and help the average American. It's not communism, it's not socialism.

[hawaii 5-0]

Let's see......

The Republicans predicted it would be an overwhelming electoral vote for Romney. Over 300.

Swing and a miss. Strike one.

Then they predicted that if Obama won, the Republicans would win the general population vote making the electoral process a farce.


Well, it didn't happen.

Swing and a miss. Strike two.

5-0

[SanDiegoSoonerGal]

Let's see......

The Republicans predicted it would be an overwhelming electoral vote for Romney. Over 300.

Swing and a miss. Strike one.

Then they predicted that if Obama won, the Republicans would win the general population vote making the electoral process a farce.


Well, it didn't happen.

Swing and a miss. Strike two.

5-0

There is no joy in Pubville
Mighty Mittens has struck out

Sorry, it leaped into my head.

[SanDiegoSoonerGal]

Mitt flipped on dang near every position he took in the primary. That makes him fair game for such charges.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUzEJiFpmsQ

[Soonerjeepman]

I never said it would be a landslide, in fact I figured dumba$$ would win, both popular and electoral.

The original thread was in ref to all you libs saying that the American voters don't want what the Repubs have to offer by a large majority...just pointing out that it wasn't the case.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

The popular vote is kinda irrelevant since presidents aren't elected that way. Just like they aren't elected by county. If so, the pubs would be knee-deep in good times and the donks would be soul-searching:

http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834515c5469e2017d3d6b6c95970c-500wi


What should be most troubling is the trend in the swing states. Mitt swung only 1 fer 7 against Jimmy Carter II. The only good news of the evening for him was North Carolina. Obama took everything else that mattered.

[hawaii 5-0]

I think Pakistan voted Romney by a margin of 9 to 1.


5-0

[okie52]

I think Pakistan voted Romney by a margin of 9 to 1.


5-0

I wonder how Libya voted?

[TUSooner]

Sounds like there's may be a impending shortage of Kleenex in God's favorite state! That said:
1. The (useless) electoral college makes the margin appear more decisive in almost every election.
2. The winners generally thinks they have a mandate and they overreach.
3. Barack Obama won the election fair and square, and he is the President of the United States.

[TUSooner]

Anger? No. Disappointment that my children have to suffer the consequences of the actions of short-sighted, ill-informed voters like you? Yep. Of course I don't expect you to understand why. I will wager that I and my family are a lot better prepared for the economic mess headed this way over the next 4 years than you are....especially financially. But go ahead and be a pr*ck. It will give me even greater pleasure when the economy is in shambles in a couple of years knowing it blindsided people like you.

Was that the response you had hoped for when you posted your juvenile dig?

You are hysterical, and I don't mean funny. I mean obsessive and paranoid. Your narrow vision is seriously distorted.by an overdose of right-wing doomsday propaganda. Seriously, get a grip for your own sake. It's ONE election; your guy lost; and really, Mitt was not going to turn the world upside down to your satisfaction anyway. Obama will definitely be gone and 4 years and a couple of months, try not to stroke out before then.

[stoopified]

I think Pakistan voted Romney by a margin of 9 to 1.


5-0yeah and Chavez endorsed Obama,your point?My point is one statement is fiction,the other fact.

[DrZaius]

This is interesting...I was surprised that Oklahoma has a fairly better percentage than I would have guessed...

http://tribuneofthepeople.com/2012/11/08/election-infographic-shows-most-educated-states-voted-for-obama-happy-place/

[Midtowner]

http://tribuneofthepeople.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/509bedacdc6e5.jpg?w=640&h=384

[Midtowner]

I don't think it mattered what Romney did at the end of the day. He sticks to his newfound conservative ideology, he loses in a landslide, he does an about face on damn-near-everything and a lot of would-be voters peel away because he looks extremely phony. The bottom line is that whatever political gymnastics Romney did, whatever HUGE sums of outside money was spent, he didn't have a chance because the electorate for the purposes of presidential politics is pretty solidly Democrat and will be for the foreseeable future. If Obama can win in the midst of noise about Benghazi (try as they might've, Republicans were unsuccessful making this a 'thing'), Sandy, the economy, etc., the choice to run a campaign against Obama and not for Romney was fatal. It was great to their base, many of whom think Sandy was a Soddom and Gommorah message from God to the NE to stop marrying gays and such, but fails at attracting moderates.

Christy, if he stays a moderate Republican, will have a decent shot in 2016. Aside from that, the Republican bench is not stacked with heavyweights.

heh... Christy..heavyweight..

[TUSooner]

http://tribuneofthepeople.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/509bedacdc6e5.jpg?w=640&h=384
Proof that college is bad.

[Tiptonsooner]

Education has nothing to do with being smart....

My dog has been to obedience class, but alas, he still licks his ***.....

[kevpks]

I don't think it mattered what Romney did at the end of the day. He sticks to his newfound conservative ideology, he loses in a landslide, he does an about face on damn-near-everything and a lot of would-be voters peel away because he looks extremely phony. The bottom line is that whatever political gymnastics Romney did, whatever HUGE sums of outside money was spent, he didn't have a chance because the electorate for the purposes of presidential politics is pretty solidly Democrat and will be for the foreseeable future. If Obama can win in the midst of noise about Benghazi (try as they might've, Republicans were unsuccessful making this a 'thing'), Sandy, the economy, etc., the choice to run a campaign against Obama and not for Romney was fatal. It was great to their base, many of whom think Sandy was a Soddom and Gommorah message from God to the NE to stop marrying gays and such, but fails at attracting moderates.

Christy, if he stays a moderate Republican, will have a decent shot in 2016. Aside from that, the Republican bench is not stacked with heavyweights.

heh... Christy..heavyweight..

I might throw Rubio and Jindal in there. I'm just hoping for the sake of the two party system that there is a better group in the primaries than the GOP threw out there this time, but I'm probably wrong. It will probably be Palin's big comeback.

[SoonerorLater]

LOL, I was thinking the same thing. I know all this whining is therapy,but I think we will all be better off when they quit going Jonestown over this defeat and move on....

I wrote that mainly in jest but I would say we have tough times ahead of us. At some point other countries will stop buying our Treasuries. The market will stop accepting the current monetization of our debt and LOTS of dollars will come home to roost. That is going to be a BIG problem. Obama doesn't have the answer. Neither did Mitt Romney. As a matter of fact nobody does since we no longer have a political problem. We have a math problem.

[hawaii 5-0]

http://tribuneofthepeople.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/509bedacdc6e5.jpg?w=640&h=384



Very interesting......

Those 'Worst Educated', 1-6, are also the ones with the highest welfare recipiants, ya know......the 47%ers.

It goes to show just how out of touch Romney was/is.

5-0

[badger]

Let's see......

The Republicans predicted it would be an overwhelming electoral vote for Romney. Over 300.

Swing and a miss. Strike one.

Then they predicted that if Obama won, the Republicans would win the general population vote making the electoral process a farce.


Well, it didn't happen.

Swing and a miss. Strike two.

5-0

Did they? As someone that follows politics a lot, 5-0, you surely don't think that what politicians say and what politicians believe are one and the same :)

It seems to me that your two Republican statements give insight into what Republicans actually believed... if they actually believed that Romney would win, why even give an "if Obama won" scenario?

I do not think that Republicans, at least on the national party-insider level, thought Romney would be an overwhelming victor in this election. The debates might have given some hope, but the gaffes (not just from Romney, but from the candidates elsewhere) were warning signs. The East Coast storm was a double whammy --- gave Obama a last-week chance to show leadership and disasters tend to favor incumbents.

So... Republicans then started to say "Well, if Obama wins, then it's a farce, because Romney will carry the popular vote and the electoral college is screwed up, boo hoo." That's like Mack Brown saying after his player gets flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct against Tech "Well, come on. Everyone else does horns down, so if he can't hoster the Tech guns after scoring, then others shouldn't be allowed to do the horns down!" Boo hoo. Loser talk! You KNOW it's unsportsmanlike and don't try to pin the blame on everyone who horns down! Hook em

So anyways 5-0, love your liberal political banter, but you can't believe that Republicans truly thought they had this election.

And besides... you can still hit a home run after strike two, can't you? Well, unless you're Casey at Bay :P

[StoopTroup]

I listened to parts of the Glen Beck show driving between El Reno and OKC yesterday... lots of Gold Line commercials for the looming financial crash, some callers stating that Sandy was sent by God to punish us and wake us up... Crazy meltdown stuff. I'm guessing the "food insurance" folks are going to be doing major ad buys.

Notice we don't see Fan in support of this BUY GOLD! stuff. I applaud his worrying about the economy. It is something we need to be concerned about. I have never really argued with him about facts. Where we differed was that it had to be Mitt Romney and it had to be the Republicans that would help ease our Economic woes and bring us back to the Days of Reagan.

Our Economy is nothing to laugh about. It does need our folks in DC to do what is needed to strengthen our Economy, continue to support Companies that hire new Employees and bring our Troops Home when we are sure that that Afghanistan won't return to a Taliban Controlled area and the Home of Terror. Also that Iran can't move into Afghanistan and use it as a road to help their people while continuing to build nuclear weapons. I like the slow cautious road our Country is on instead of this knee jerk reaction that took place four years ago. It doesn't mean I think Fan is full of hot air....it just means we differ on what we thought was going to change in this election.

What changed?

Not much. The House is still full of Tea Party Candidates that need a reality check, The Senate is still controlled by the Democrats and a very close Popular vote still had the current POTUS winning the hearts of people who still believe in Hope and Change and who aren't worried about their future but in turn are ready to be a part of the very long fight it obviously going to take to get America back on track.

It's time we all push our elected Officials to continue to work together to pay down this debt, get the rich to pay more and to quit trying to stymie the economy by just heading to the Club and waiting for another four years before they decide to find a way to help our Country instead of wait around for the next wave or Corporate Welfare.

I grew up in a Country that used to have business owners that used to feel a little pain when their employees hurt. They and their families cut back and took it harder than the employees until things got better. They didn't just layoff their workforce and then go have 3 of their yachts sunk for the insurance money or go sell off their Company to a Communist with a bunch of cash.

Americans have once again just told the 1% to go and stuff it. The 1% now needs to deprogram those of you that have remained in the Republican Bubble.

By the looks of things in this Forum....many of you will have passed on and instead of being a part of fixing things....you will fulfill the self fulfilling Prophecy that your Children will have to pay for this all. What I fully expect from the Children though is that they will read the History Books and see what a Country Divided will do to one of the World's most impressive Super Powers and they will save what we were to damn stubborn to save.

I have faith that many Parent's are teaching their kids to think for themselves and to realize that Facts and Arithmetic are more important to our recovery as a Nation than buying Gold and prepping for the Apocolypse and that Mitt Romney can still be a huge part of doing all the things he said that he could do to keep America the Greatest Nation on Earth! Hopefully he and the many others in his tax bracket won't move to Belize and live on Diamonds and Rare Dinosaur Eggs for breakfast.

NSFW

http://www.noob.us/humor/dave-chappelle-mtv-cribs-parody/