The Real Problem With This Country? Look In The Mirror

[FaninAma]

This quote was translated into English from an article appearing in the Czech Republic as published in the Prager Zeitung of 28 April 2011.

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president."

That sums it up perfectly.

[KantoSooner]

Yeah, okay, but the Czechs took their hard won freedom from the Soviets and placed it in the hands of.....a man who'd made his living as a poet and playwright. Vaclav Havel. I love the guy, but his resume hardly screams 'World Leader'.

Does the Prager Zeitung perhaps have its own political agenda?

[FaninAma]

Yeah, okay, but the Czechs took their hard won freedom from the Soviets and placed it in the hands of.....a man who'd made his living as a poet and playwright. Vaclav Havel. I love the guy, but his resume hardly screams 'World Leader'.

Does the Prager Zeitung perhaps have its own political agenda?

2 wrongs make a right? We all see what kind of shape Europe is in.

And are you really telling us you believe that Obama had the experience and background to hold the most powerful office in the world? Please go on, pray tell.

[BigTip]

Yeah, okay, but the Czechs took their hard won freedom from the Soviets and placed it in the hands of.....a man who'd made his living as a poet and playwright. Vaclav Havel. I love the guy, but his resume hardly screams 'World Leader'.

Does the Prager Zeitung perhaps have its own political agenda?

The opinion of a guy that has perhaps lived through a similar experience gives the piece more weight.

[cleller]

I have a different mirror.

[FaninAma]

I have a different mirror.

I'm talking in more general terms. We are all stuck in the same boat and whatever "we" the passengers collectively decide we all suffer the same consequences. I think the original quote was spot on. We need to quit blaming politicians and the government for our problems. We're the ones who put them into office.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

That's democracy for you.

In a local school board race, our newspaper had their endorsement between the two candidates for one seat. The candidates are so bad, it recommended, "flip a coin and hope it lands on its edge."

The best hope is to have at least two strong parties, so you'll have one that can offer a good candidates as an alternative.

That's the biggest problem with the pub party. They are struggling to unseat Jimmy Carter II! I suspect Romney is going to pull this out by the skin of his teeth.

[KantoSooner]

Fanin and Big,
My post was not meant to support Obama whose economic thinking is fatally flawed and whose foreign policy experience or lack thereof is only partially patched over by having a vicious Stalinist as his SecState. It was to poke fun at a stentorian editorial lambasting the American public for a folly far, far outweighed by a similar folly on the part of the Czech polity.
And to suggest that perhaps the Prager Zeitung might not be a top flight news org (they may be, I don't know, but every country has tabloids or papers owned by Moonies.)

[yermom]

the danger in America is having to choose between the giant d0uche and the turd sandwich

[BigTip]

the danger in America is having to choose between the giant d0uche and the turd sandwich

I said it on another thread, I am liking Romney's lies more than Obama's lies.

[BigTip]

Fanin and Big,
My post was not meant to support Obama whose economic thinking is fatally flawed and whose foreign policy experience or lack thereof is only partially patched over by having a vicious Stalinist as his SecState. It was to poke fun at a stentorian editorial lambasting the American public for a folly far, far outweighed by a similar folly on the part of the Czech polity.
And to suggest that perhaps the Prager Zeitung might not be a top flight news org (they may be, I don't know, but every country has tabloids or papers owned by Moonies.)

Thank you for the clarification. We'll let you back inside the clubhouse.

lol

[KantoSooner]

access to the punch and cookies, too?

[TitoMorelli]

Yeah, okay, but the Czechs took their hard won freedom from the Soviets and placed it in the hands of.....a man who'd made his living as a poet and playwright. Vaclav Havel. I love the guy, but his resume hardly screams 'World Leader'.

Does the Prager Zeitung perhaps have its own political agenda?

Seems that Havel was very active as a dissident during the Soviet occupation, resulting in his being imprisoned several times. Apparently a key figure in the anti-Soviet movement there.

If Lech Walesa or Nelson Mandela had churned out a couple of dramas, would that also disqualify them as leaders?

(you still get punch and cookies):chuncky:

[FaninAma]

the danger in America is having to choose between the giant d0uche and the turd sandwich

But that is our fault. We don't demand any better. We have too many voters who don't care to take the time to learn the issues and make a decision that will be the best for all. We have too many who are going to vote selfishly for those who promise them the most.

I know it is a pie-in-the-sky notion for the electorate to put forth more effort and thought into the process and to be less selfish but it doesn't change the fact that our political leaders reflect the majority of those who vote.

I guess therein lies both the strength and weakness of democracy.

[FaninAma]

To see a perfect example of the type of short-sighted, selfish society we have evolved into, one need look no further than the so called fiscal cliff saga. Special interests from all political sides are already screaming for Congress to not allow this modest cut in benefits and modest increase in taxes to take effect. Instead they are clamoring for the politicians to break the deal and kick the can down the road instead of taking responsibility for the debt WE ran up. They are only too glad to make future generations who had no say in how the money was spent deal with the consequences.

This type of attitude is immoral and a country cannot survive for long with such a weak and selfish citizenry calling the shots.

[BigTip]

What uproar would there be if there was a simple test for every citizen to take before they get a voter registration card?

I am SURE which party would have the loudest objections to such a plan.

[KantoSooner]

Seems that Havel was very active as a dissident during the Soviet occupation, resulting in his being imprisoned several times. Apparently a key figure in the anti-Soviet movement there.

If Lech Walesa or Nelson Mandela had churned out a couple of dramas, would that also disqualify them as leaders?

(you still get punch and cookies):chuncky:

No, it wouldn't have, but Havel was 'a figure' not a manager or leader of the movement. he gave a voice, but did not keep the choochoo on the tracks. Walesa at least had union organizing to his credit, and yet he was pretty much of a disaster as a national leader. Mandela, of the three, was the only one who actually led his country with any measure of noteworthy success. (His ability to get through the transition from apartheid to majority rule without massive bloodshed and total economic collapse puts him at the very forefront of 20th century leaders. Right up there with Churchill's rallying of the Brits during the Blitz. And this from a man who had every reason to give in to personal wrath. But I digress.)

But, to the original point: Our electoral process discourages production of fine national leaders...but so far, I've found no one else's system that I'd go rushing off to replace it with.

[StoopTroup]

This quote was translated into English from an article appearing in the Czech Republic as published in the Prager Zeitung of 28 April 2011.

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president."

That sums it up perfectly.

Pretty much a re-write of the 47% Speech Romney did.

[Soonerjeepman]

What uproar would there be if there was a simple test for every citizen to take before they get a voter registration card?

I am SURE which party would have the loudest objections to such a plan.

hell they are already bitch#n about PHOTO ID needed...can't imagine a test...lol

[Soonerjeepman]

[QUOTE=FaninAma;3535599 We're the ones who put them into office.[/QUOTE]

I didn't vote for that clown... ;-)

[TitoMorelli]

No, it wouldn't have, but Havel was 'a figure' not a manager or leader of the movement. he gave a voice, but did not keep the choochoo on the tracks. Walesa at least had union organizing to his credit, and yet he was pretty much of a disaster as a national leader. Mandela, of the three, was the only one who actually led his country with any measure of noteworthy success. (His ability to get through the transition from apartheid to majority rule without massive bloodshed and total economic collapse puts him at the very forefront of 20th century leaders. Right up there with Churchill's rallying of the Brits during the Blitz. And this from a man who had every reason to give in to personal wrath. But I digress.)

But, to the original point: Our electoral process discourages production of fine national leaders...but so far, I've found no one else's system that I'd go rushing off to replace it with.

Good post, and great final point.

[cleller]

If you look in the mirror and see anything resembling these guys, you've spotted the problem. If you can look at this as anything defining an American male, we are all going to be sitting around with a latte in one hand and the other palm out to the Chinese or Germans.

You also probably have some issues with your testosterone and maturity levels.

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[FaninAma]

Pretty much a re-write of the 47% Speech Romney did.

Within 2 years he will have to amend it to the "50%+ Speech".

[yermom]

What uproar would there be if there was a simple test for every citizen to take before they get a voter registration card?

I am SURE which party would have the loudest objections to such a plan.

is there a science portion on the test?

[LiveLaughLove]

I keep looking in the mirror and asking who is to blame for Obama. It keeps showing me ict, scsooner, soonerprophet, midtowner, yermom, rock on, DD, stooptroup, and other ilky ilk of that ilk.

pretty ilky if you ask me. ;)

[cleller]

is there a science portion on the test?

Bring it on. I'll concede there is global warming, and Al Gore's home was possibly on of the causes. I live in Oklahoma, its undeniable.

Still comfortable when it comes to gravity, conduction, convention, relativity, etc that I'd be happy with the voters that emerged.

[yermom]

I keep looking in the mirror and asking who is to blame for Obama. It keeps showing me ict, scsooner, soonerprophet, midtowner, yermom, rock on, DD, stooptroup, and other ilky ilk of that ilk.

pretty ilky if you ask me. ;)

i live in Oklahoma. you can't blame me for crap.

[Skysooner]

i live in Oklahoma. you can't blame me for crap.

They won't look in the mirror and realize that much of our problem in 2008-2009 can be laid at their feet.

[okie52]

is there a science portion on the test?

There ought to be...things like energy supply vs energy consumed..available resources vs fictional resources.