Bruce Springstein must be a commie...

[TheHumanAlphabet]

His song sounds like a communist song and it is even a really bad song...Forward! indeed...

[hawaii 5-0]

If Woody Guthrie was alive he would kick your azz.

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[TheHumanAlphabet]

I doubt it.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Springstein has said things I've read/heard tht indicate an interest in collectivism and anti-capitalism. Big wup. Most high profile entertainment people do that. It helps innoculate them against the media and any ire from their peers, whether they believe that shi* or not.

[hawaii 5-0]

Springsteen is a Socialist.

He distributes wealth at Halloween by giving out candy.

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[cleller]

If Woody Guthrie was alive he would kick your azz.

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He and Bruce both pretty durn left in their politics. Way to far for me.

Not my favorite Okie, for sure.

[hawaii 5-0]

He and Bruce both pretty durn left in their politics. Way to far for me.


Me too. (too far Left for me)

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[okie52]

He and Bruce both pretty durn left in their politics. Way to far for me.

Not my favorite Okie, for sure.

Well I hope not.:biggrin:

[hawaii 5-0]

What a crazy notion.......... This Land Was Made For You And Me.

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[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

What a crazy notion.......... This Land Was Made For You And Me.

5-0If interpreted to mean you and me = govt. ownership and control, then yes, crazy notion.

[cleller]

My outlook on Woody Guthrie began with what I heard from Oklahomans that had lived through the depression. They did not have a high opinion of him.
As I aged, and learned about his beliefs, and politics, I felt they were at odds with mine. Simple proposition.

Never cared for folk music, either. The old blues just has more zing, baby.

[mhackl]

Sorry, but it's not like the dude was ever very talented. I laugh when people think celebrities opinions matter. They wouldn't know their arses from a hole in the ground in the real world. They're professional attention seekers, and little more.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Sorry, but it's not like the dude was ever very talented. I laugh when people think celebrities opinions matter. They wouldn't know their arses from a hole in the ground in the real world. They're professional attention seekers, and little more.

I do agree with you on this...who GAS what some entertainer/celebrity says. Why politicians keep trotting them out is beyond me.

[hawaii 5-0]

Like Clint Eastwood, huh?

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[MamaMia]

I use to love Springsteen a lot, but knowing his political views, I cant even stomach listening to his music anymore. He ruined it for me.

[OU_Sooners75]

Hey, at least he was "Born in the USA!"

[Wishboned]

I try to seperate the artist from their political views but on some it's tough. I really like Springsteen's music, but can't stand his politices.

However, I refuse to watch anything with Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, or John Wayne.

[Curly Bill]

I've always thought his music sucked to start with - makes it easy for me to hate on the dude.

[KantoSooner]

Springstein essentially went around the bend with 'Nebraska' (not so ironically, most who've had contact with that place ultimately go insane from the experience). He seemed to channel the spirit of Woody Guthrie and meandered into a half-baked populism. At that point, his music, too began to drift toward folkier sounding stuff. And we all know that folk is only listened to by people who are trying to be PC or by school children being aurally assaulted by 'live music' arranged to fill assembly times and somehow enrich them, performed by the people their parents tell them to stay away from when seen outside of school grounds. It's odd, really.

His old stuff, though, back when he was a skinny, partying, working class loser from Jersey, was classic.

[TitoMorelli]

I try to seperate the artist from their political views but on some it's tough. I really like Springsteen's music, but can't stand his politices.

However, I refuse to watch anything with Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, or John Wayne.

Hold on there, Pilgrim. What's your beef with the Duke?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I use to love Springsteen a lot, but knowing his political views, I cant even stomach listening to his music anymore. He ruined it for me.After he did "ride with me Wendy on the streets tonight" it was all downhill( a short hill, at that). I can't fathom spending money to see him live, compounded even further by his goofy politics.

[Wishboned]

Hold on there, Pilgrim. What's your beef with the Duke?

His refusal to serve in WWII. He believed his career was more important.

[OU_Sooners75]

His refusal to serve in WWII. He believed his career was more important.

So because he didn't want to go to war makes him a weaker person?

I mean, wasn't he already over the draft age at the time? If so, can you blame him?

I take it you didn't like Muhammad Ali (casius clay), or Bill Clinton, or many other people that chose to stick with their career or school rather than go to war?

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Like Clint Eastwood, huh?

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Yes, wish they all would be silent, then I could enjoy entertainment. But I would listen to Clint over almost anyone as he has been there, done that including serving the country in uniform.

[Wishboned]

So because he didn't want to go to war makes him a weaker person?

I mean, wasn't he already over the draft age at the time? If so, can you blame him?

I take it you didn't like Muhammad Ali (casius clay), or Bill Clinton, or many other people that chose to stick with their career or school rather than go to war?

John Wayne was 34 at the time of Pearl Harbor. The draft age went to 45. Henry Fonda was 37 when he entered the service. Jimmy Stewart was 33 and actually saw a trainer to put on weight so he could pass the requirements.

A lot of people put their careers on hold for the war. And as a man who made his money off of playing the hero, to actively seek an exception to serving is unacceptable to me. It makes him a weaker person, and a coward in my eyes.

And yes, I feel the same way about Ali, and Clinton.

[hawaii 5-0]

Yes, wish they all would be silent, then I could enjoy entertainment. But I would listen to Clint over almost anyone as he has been there, done that including serving the country in uniform.


That's a trivia question but I forgot the answer. Wasn't he a driver?

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[Wishboned]

That's a trivia question but I forgot the answer. Wasn't he a driver?

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He was a swimming instructor. In 1951 the plane he was riding in crashed and he had to swim three miles to shore.

[hawaii 5-0]

He was a swimming instructor. In 1951 the plane he was riding in crashed and he had to swim three miles to shore.


That's it. Mahalo.

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[OU_Sooners75]

f
John Wayne was 34 at the time of Pearl Harbor. The draft age went to 45. Henry Fonda was 37 when he entered the service. Jimmy Stewart was 33 and actually saw a trainer to put on weight so he could pass the requirements.

A lot of people put their careers on hold for the war. And as a man who made his money off of playing the hero, to actively seek an exception to serving is unacceptable to me. It makes him a weaker person, and a coward in my eyes.

And yes, I feel the same way about Ali, and Clinton.


My grandfather served in the war. He then served in Korea. His favorite all time actor, John Wayne.

IMO, you are holding someone in contempt for deciding to take care of his life instead of trying to be a real hero.

Not everyone has the fortitude to go enlist or go to war. You as a Ranger should know that.

[okie52]

John Wayne was 34 at the time of Pearl Harbor. The draft age went to 45. Henry Fonda was 37 when he entered the service. Jimmy Stewart was 33 and actually saw a trainer to put on weight so he could pass the requirements.

A lot of people put their careers on hold for the war. And as a man who made his money off of playing the hero, to actively seek an exception to serving is unacceptable to me. It makes him a weaker person, and a coward in my eyes.

And yes, I feel the same way about Ali, and Clinton.

I share your feelings about Wayne. He put off enlisting when others volunteered. Strange for a guy that would devote much of his career to war movies.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

John Wayne was 34 at the time of Pearl Harbor. The draft age went to 45. Henry Fonda was 37 when he entered the service. Jimmy Stewart was 33 and actually saw a trainer to put on weight so he could pass the requirements.

A lot of people put their careers on hold for the war. And as a man who made his money off of playing the hero, to actively seek an exception to serving is unacceptable to me. It makes him a weaker person, and a coward in my eyes.

And yes, I feel the same way about Ali, and Clinton.I did not know that about John Wayne, but Ali and Clinton are legendary non-servers. Sorry to hear that about John. He would have been protected most likely, as are some entertainers who serve in the military. Same with Ali and Clinton.

[hawaii 5-0]

And Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rove.


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[rock on sooner]

Duke was aged 34 and eventually classified 3A (family exempt, he had four
kids). His bosses were more responsible for his not going into the service,
since he was a pretty big star. He tried to get in (after reclassified as 1A)
but the studio bosses kept him out, pulling a lot of strings. Yeah, he didn't
serve but made a lot of people proud of our military. Just so y'all know...

[Wishboned]

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My grandfather served in the war. He then served in Korea. His favorite all time actor, John Wayne.

IMO, you are holding someone in contempt for deciding to take care of his life instead of trying to be a real hero.

Not everyone has the fortitude to go enlist or go to war. You as a Ranger should know that.


I'm holding him in contempt for refusing to answer his nation's call. A nation that made him a wealthy man playing a role he refused to play in real life. A nation that needed every able bodied man to serve, he was not 4F, he was healthy. Other people had successful careers interrupted by the war. They made the sacrifice to serve. He sacrificed nothing, but gained everything.

A lot of people admire John Wayne. I'm not trying to sway your opinion of the man or anyone else's. These are just my feelings, and I realize I'm in the minority, but I will always be of the opinion that he was a selfish, cowardly man who felt it was better to serve his own needs instead of serving the needs of a country that gave him everything.

[okie52]

Duke was aged 34 and eventually classified 3A (family exempt, he had four
kids). His bosses were more responsible for his not going into the service,
since he was a pretty big star. He tried to get in (after reclassified as 1A)
but the studio bosses kept him out, pulling a lot of strings. Yeah, he didn't
serve but made a lot of people proud of our military. Just so y'all know...

From what I've read the duke kept himself out when he had the opportunities to enlist...always putting it off. I'd be glad if you proved me wrong but I don't think that was the case.

[rock on sooner]

And Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rove.


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Cheney had FIVE deferments (he was too busy doing things), Rumsfeld
served in the navy and Rove had student deferments to stay out.

[okie52]

Cheney had FIVE deferments (he was too busy doing things), Rumsfeld
served in the navy and Rove had student deferments to stay out.

Cheney should have been deferred as many didnt think he had a heart.

[rock on sooner]

From what I've read the duke kept himself out when he had the opportunities to enlist...always putting it off. I'd be glad if you proved me wrong but I don't think that was the case.

Okie, what I've read is that he filled out papers to go but his bosses "talked"
him out of it. What I've also read is that no one could really say why, for certain,
he didn't go in, so you may be right on with your points.

[TitoMorelli]

Cheney had FIVE deferments (he was too busy doing things), Rumsfeld
served in the navy and Rove had student deferments to stay out.

Give 5-0 credit. Two out of three is much better than his usual batting average on here.

(also much better than mine, for that matter) :)

[OU_Sooners75]

http://jwayne.com/2010/03/01/john-wayne-world-war-ii-and-the-draft/

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Springsteen looks constipated when he sings..I can relate

[rock on sooner]

Springsteen looks constipated when he sings..I can relate

Welp, ifn ya dont eat yer fruit and drink lotsa water that'll happen!
Been there and done that!!:smile:

[Wishboned]

http://jwayne.com/2010/03/01/john-wayne-world-war-ii-and-the-draft/

His own quote solidifies my opinion of him.


“I define manhood simply; men should be tough, fair, and courageous, never petty, never looking for a fight, but never backing down from one.”

[OU_Sooners75]

Yeah, never mind trying to learn the whole truth.


But hey, I digress. To each their own. I guess once you have your mind made up, its impossible to change.

[Wishboned]

Yeah, never mind trying to learn the whole truth.


But hey, I digress. To each their own. I guess once you have your mind made up, its impossible to change.

What is the whole truth? Your version, or mine?

I'm not trying to change your mind, why try to change mine? I haven't been snide or snarky with you, I've merely listed my reasons for my opinion. I respect your opinion even if I disagree. If you don't respect mine then that's fine.

[OU_Sooners75]

Actually I don't give a ****.

I just find it stupid to judge some one for knowing part of it, not all of it.

Either way, WGAS!

[Wishboned]

Actually I don't give a ****.

I just find it stupid to judge some one for knowing part of it, not all of it.

Either way, WGAS!

If you get that way over something you don't GAS about I'd hate to see how you get when you're really passionate about something.

And let me put this in terms you'll understand. I think it's ****in' idiotic to assume someone doesn't know the whole story.

[OU_Sooners75]

If you get that way over something you don't GAS about I'd hate to see how you get when you're really passionate about something.

Actually the part I don't give a **** about is yoir view on the guy.

I just find it stupid that u can judge someone you never knew or didn't know the entire issue.

That's what I'm saying.

I can count on one hand how many John Wayne movies I've watched in my adult life. I was only 3 when he died.

I don't find him good or bad. But I don't judge him or anyone wwithout knowing the entire situation.


But like I said, I digress...so please drop it.

[Wishboned]

Actually the part I don't give a **** about is yoir view on the guy.

I just find it stupid that u can judge someone you never knew or didn't know the entire issue.

That's what I'm saying.

I can count on one hand how many John Wayne movies I've watched in my adult life. I was only 3 when he died.

I don't find him good or bad. But I don't judge him or anyone wwithout knowing the entire situation.


But like I said, I digress...so please drop it.


You don't give a **** but you've been spending post after post trying to change it. You don't give a **** but you make snide comments about my opinion. Got it.

I tried to respect your opinion, but apparently you're an asshat who can't do the same.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

asshat/dooshrocket = ________/ _________ Name your choice, make a statement.

[hawaii 5-0]

It's pitiful that people look at a performer's political views and then decide if they like their music, acting. writing, art. etc.

Shallow.

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[Curly Bill]

It's pitiful that people look at a performer's political views and then decide if they like their music, acting. writing, art. etc.

Shallow.

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I must be deep, because I thought he sucked even before I knew he was a commie!

What I win?

[stoops the eternal pimp]

a membership to the Venables Fan Club.

[Curly Bill]

a membership to the Venables Fan Club.

Yeah, uh...could I have a turd sandwich instead?

[KantoSooner]

Does the bobble head doll come with the basic membership? Or is that only once you reach 'elite' status?

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Yeah, uh...could I have a turd sandwich instead?

Give me about 15 minutes.

[Wishboned]

It's pitiful that people look at a performer's political views and then decide if they like their music, acting. writing, art. etc.

Shallow.

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That's not the deciding factor if I like their talent, but it is the deciding factor over whether I will pay money or spend my valuable time to see or hear them perform.

[Curly Bill]

Anybody heard from the Dixie Chicks lately?

[Turd_Ferguson]

Springsteen looks constipated when he sings..I can relate

Tunnel of love?

[stoops the eternal pimp]

let me show you my secret garden.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

It's pitiful that people look at a performer's political views and then decide if they like their music, acting. writing, art. etc.

Shallow.

5-0If that's how you think it works, well, WRONG!

[KantoSooner]

There is, of course that well established tie between folk music and bubble brain populism. Pretty sure bet that whenever some 'man of the earth' starts adnoidaling away on his 12 string, his semi-washed woman will begin tormenting us with interpretive harvest dancing and the outrage against 'the big guys' will be along briskly.

So, I don't know if it's the politics first or folk music first and it doesn't really matter. it's just bad juju all 'round.

[hawaii 5-0]

If that's how you think it works, well, WRONG!


I know.

Some people are also judged on their ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, hair color, religion, political lean, whatever.

Must be some pamphlet telling folks which way to think.

"When I'm watchin' my T.V.
And that man comes on to tell me
How white my shirts can be
But he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke
The same cigarrettes as me." MJ.


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[Turd_Ferguson]

I know.

Some people are also judged on their ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, hair color, religion, political lean, whatever.

Must be some pamphlet telling folks which way to think.

"When I'm watchin' my T.V.
And that man comes on to tell me
How white my shirts can be
But he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke
The same cigarrettes as me." MJ.


5-0ST?

[hawaii 5-0]

ST?

BH.


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[Turd_Ferguson]

BH.


5-0FO.

[hawaii 5-0]

FO.

ETCOOMS.


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