I Thought You Guys Said Obama Wasn't a Socialist

[LiveLaughLove]

Time and time again on here, you guys ridicule and mock those of us that say Obama is a socialist, or at least an unfettered Obama would be a socialist or even a communist.

I mean, hey his Granddad was a communist, his dad was a communist, and his mentor growing up was a flaming bi-sexual communist. Doesn't mean he is though, right? Nah. He got nothing from those people.

Here's a guy that grew up in a communist country, and knows socialism/communism probably a little better than all of our poli-sci folks here know it.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/10/rich-worried-and-buying-ad-time/

He's putting his money where is mouth is to warn America where we are heading. You know, toward socialism.


"I grew up in a socialist country and I have seen what that does to people. There is no hope, no freedom, no pride in achievement," he says with a soft Hungarian accent in the ad. "The nation became poorer and poorer, and that's what I see happening here."

But I'm sure this guy doesn't have a stinking clue about what socialism is.

Here's another timely anecdotal story, happened last week.

I met a guy from Romania, now an American citizen. He worked as a auto mechanic of some kind during the communist years. He was sent to Cuba to repair a defect in Romanian cars that had been bought by the Castro government.

He saved up three months of pay, payed off people in Cuba, and made it Miami. Has never left.

I asked him about communism. He said look around you, you're heading there. He said Romania today has more freedom than we have here now. He said he voted for Obama, but he was appalled by Obamacare and how socialistic it is. He said we have no clue what all it entails, and he will never vote for a Democrat again.

But once again, I'm sure this man has no clue what a socialist is. Right?

Or is it that you folks either have no clue, or you purposefully are covering for your Dear Leader.

I think I go with both. You have no freaking clue, and you are covering for your guy.

Only 2 and half more months of him, then it's off to community agitator re-education school where he will compete with Sharpton and Jackson for face time at the next faux racial incident.

[FaninAma]

I asked him about communism. He said look around you, you're heading there. He said Romania today has more freedom than we have here now. He said he voted for Obama, but he was appalled by Obamacare and how socialistic it is. He said we have no clue what all it entails, and he will never vote for a Democrat again.

This is exactly right. I don't think very many people realize the ramifications of this law. Expanded Medicaid coverage coupled with funding shortfalls and significant physician losses. This is a disaster waiting to happen. I can only suspect that this is the intention....create a huge crisis in medical care so the government can step in and take it over completely.

[LiveLaughLove]

This is exactly right. I don't think very many people realize the ramifications of this law. Expandeed Medicaid coupled with funding shortfalls and significant physician losses. This is a disaster waiting to happen. I can only suspect that this is the intention....create a huge crisis in medical care so the government can step in and take it over completely.

It's been the goal from day one. And not day one of Obamacare, from day one of Hillarycare.

Hillary said you have to nibble away to get to the ultimate goal, nationalized healthcare.

If you try too hard to quickly, the American people will reject it.

The guy I met said much more about other topics than just Obamacare, but it was the thing that made him upset the most at where we are heading.

[Soonerjeepman]

ya mean good ol hillary who pushes the un's treaties dealing with children? nah not her...she's as scary or more than obama, people luv her.

the hippie generation is now in charge of the country...hmmm...yeah those are good people.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Lefty apologists... chirp, chirp, chirp...

[diverdog]

This is exactly right. I don't think very many people realize the ramifications of this law. Expanded Medicaid coverage coupled with funding shortfalls and significant physician losses. This is a disaster waiting to happen. I can only suspect that this is the intention....create a huge crisis in medical care so the government can step in and take it over completely.

Do you guys realize the average health premium went up 131% between 1999 and 2009? Before Obamacare premiums were expected to rise 166% over the next decade. You guys act like there was cost containment in the private sector. The reason we have Obamcare in the first place is due to the butt raping everyone has gotten from the health insurance companies. There was an out cry from the public and congress acted.

[C&CDean]

Lefty apologists... chirp, chirp, chirp...

Well Bush did it...blame the christians...it's a non-issue what are y'all getting all excited about...you birthers just won't leave him alone...

There, I think that kinda covered it for those guys. Meh.

[LiveLaughLove]

Do you guys realize the average health premium went up 131% between 1999 and 2009? Before Obamacare premiums were expected to rise 166% over the next decade. You guys act like there was cost containment in the private sector. The reason we have Obamcare in the first place is due to the butt raping everyone has gotten from the health insurance companies. There was an out cry from the public and congress acted.

Your changing the subject, but I'll play.

No one said what we had was good. It's not Obamacare or nothing. But going the socialist way to more government control was the exact opposite way to go. We already had too much government involvement.

You open it up to free enterprise. You let doctors compete on the open market. Post prices where they can. You get the government out of it as much as possible.

I know it has a role in it as watch dog of overseer, but it shouldn't be the dispenser. Minimal government, not more would have been the best approach for every one, rich and poor.

[FaninAma]

Do you guys realize the average health premium went up 131% between 1999 and 2009? Before Obamacare premiums were expected to rise 166% over the next decade. You guys act like there was cost containment in the private sector. The reason we have Obamcare in the first place is due to the butt raping everyone has gotten from the health insurance companies. There was an out cry from the public and congress acted.

I know exactly how they will eventually deal with health care costs. Access will be severly limited. Options will be limited. Senior citizens will learn that certain procedures and treatments are not available for them unless they have their own private insurance(if that is still allowed under the government controlled health care system).

When you have limited funds and unlimited demand their is but one economic option.

We will see the same thing happen in other entitlement programs. I will guarantee you that we will see the same protests here that Spain and Greece are seeing once it becomes inevitable that entitlements will have to be cut back.

[diverdog]

Your changing the subject, but I'll play.

No one said what we had was good. It's not Obamacare or nothing. But going the socialist way to more government control was the exact opposite way to go. We already had too much government involvement.

You open it up to free enterprise. You let doctors compete on the open market. Post prices where they can. You get the government out of it as much as possible.

I know it has a role in it as watch dog of overseer, but it shouldn't be the dispenser. Minimal government, not more would have been the best approach for every one, rich and poor.

Then explain to me why drugs that are produced in this country are cheaper in Canada than the US? Me thinks drug company lobbying has something to do with it.

[diverdog]

I know exactly how they will eventually deal with health care costs. Access will be severly limited. Options will be limited. Senior citizens will learn that certain procedures and treatments are not available for them unless they have their own private insurance(if that is still allowed under the government controlled health care system).

When you have limited funds and unlimited demand their is but one economic option.

We will see the same thing happen in other entitlement programs. I will guarantee you that we will see the same protests here that Spain and Greece are seeing once it becomes inevitable that entitlements will have to be cut back.

Care is already rationed here.

[Ton Loc]

Obamacare has the potential to suck monkey balls, but that doesn't equal socialism. That's just **** poor policy. Or good intentions executed poorly if you dress to the left.
Whatever happens, it won't be socialism.
Besides, one man, Obama, pulling off socialism in the US, all by himself in the next four years. Laughable.
He'd have a better chance of taking every county in OK in November. Damn, that would be a cold day in hell.

[FaninAma]

Care is already rationed here.
Not if you are on Medicaid. Those covered by private insurance may ration themselves according to their ability to pay co-pays or deductibles. Medicare patients may do the same thing if they have no co-insurance. Otherwise please cite examples of rationing in the health care system that is going on now.

I have taken care of thousands of Medicaid patients and I have never had a procedure or treatment option denied for one of my patients. The biggest issue with Medicaid is finding specialists who accept it but so far(knock on wood) I have always been able to find a specialist who did. I don't think that will be the case once 20 million new Medicaid patients are added to the rolls in 2014.

[LiveLaughLove]

Then explain to me why drugs that are produced in this country are cheaper in Canada than the US? Me thinks drug company lobbying has something to do with it.

Wait, so you mean lobbyists are lobbying "government" to keep prices high? Get outta here!

I think you made my point for me. The free enterprise system of competition would not allow an artificially high price overall.

You invent it, you get to have exclusivity for a short time, then competition, then price fights.

[Skysooner]

Do you guys realize the average health premium went up 131% between 1999 and 2009? Before Obamacare premiums were expected to rise 166% over the next decade. You guys act like there was cost containment in the private sector. The reason we have Obamcare in the first place is due to the butt raping everyone has gotten from the health insurance companies. There was an out cry from the public and congress acted.

Your changing the subject, but I'll play.

No one said what we had was good. It's not Obamacare or nothing. But going the socialist way to more government control was the exact opposite way to go. We already had too much government involvement.

You open it up to free enterprise. You let doctors compete on the open market. Post prices where they can. You get the government out of it as much as possible.

I know it has a role in it as watch dog of overseer, but it shouldn't be the dispenser. Minimal government, not more would have been the best approach for every one, rich and poor.

Government control is not government ownership which is what socialism is. Complain about too much regulation, but you continue to misuse the word.

[LiveLaughLove]

Obamacare has the potential to suck monkey balls, but that doesn't equal socialism. That's just **** poor policy. Or good intentions executed poorly if you dress to the left.
Whatever happens, it won't be socialism.
Besides, one man, Obama, pulling off socialism in the US, all by himself in the next four years. Laughable.
He'd have a better chance of taking every county in OK in November. Damn, that would be a cold day in hell.

At least two former communists disagree with your assessment, but I'm sure you know best.

I don't think the man is claiming in the ads that Obama by himself is pushing us to socialism. I think he means it is simply the general direction we are going, but I could be wrong.

I didn't get the feeling the guy I spoke with is singly blaming Obama either. But he strongly dislikes Obamacare and all of it's imputations.

Once again, you probably know best though, so, whew, I for one am relieved to know we aren't heading that way, because we have your assurances. Thanks for that.

[FaninAma]

Wait, so you mean lobbyists are lobbying "government" to keep prices high? Get outta here!

I think you made my point for me. The free enterprise system of competition would not allow an artificially high price overall.

You invent it, you get to have exclusivity for a short time, then competition, then price fights.

Actually it is the opposite. Drug companies must agree to price controls established by the Canadian government in order to do business in that country. They make up for it by raising the prices of these medications even higher in this country.

When you institute price controls and excessive government regulation you end up with shortages. The company that compounded the intrathecal steroid injection contaminated with fungus was able to do so because there was a demand that reulted from the fact that not enough reputable drug companies were willing to manufacture the drug due to low reimbursement and the high level of federal regulation imposed on large drug companies.

[LiveLaughLove]

Government control is not government ownership which is what socialism is. Complain about too much regulation, but you continue to misuse the word.

Yes thanks for that. I don't keep misusing the word. I do know what the word means. We are "heading" toward that goal and everyone that has eyes to see it, knows this to be the case.

Once again though, I'm sure you know better than people that have lived under the tyranny of socialism/communism, so, whew again, glad to know we have your assurances over these guys. It means so much. Thanks a million.

[Skysooner]

Government control is not government ownership which is what socialism is. Complain about too much regulation, but you continue to misuse the word.

Yes thanks for that. I don't keep misusing the word. I do know what the word means. We are "heading" toward that goal and everyone that has eyes to see it, knows this to be the case.

Once again though, I'm sure you know better than people that have lived under the tyranny of socialism/communism, so, whew again, glad to know we have your assurances over these guys. It means so much. Thanks a million.

You know in general I try to be nice and discuss things with you. Heading towards is not socialism. Intentions do not mean actions and frankly with control of the House you should be able to stop it. That is twice in the last two days you have gone off on me with virtually no provocation especially since I am voting for Romney.

I suppose you only like government intervention when it supports your agenda.

No, I have never lived under communism socialism. Neither have you. The only thing I see in this thread is you being self-righteous and telling us rather than proving your point. You act as if that anything taught to us in childhood is what we live our lives upon. If I were to live my life like I was taught I would be a drug and sex addict and divorced a few times. Instead I have the only stable marriage in my family. I don't do drugs and drink only on occasion. I have two wonderful kids that are going to be good citizens and one of them is special needs which brings its own issues. Stop talking to me like I am the enemy.

[SoonerProphet]

When I can't get a righteous selection of sausage at Central Marker, when I can trade some Levi 501's for a Czech made auto to tool around Prague, when farmers are forced on collectives, when lines for toilet paper appear at the walmarts, when I can't vote for two pandering jackasses and only one, then yeah, we are a socialist country. Until then, the Romanian, Hungarian, and yourself are full of sh!t.

[Ton Loc]

At least two former communists disagree with your assessment, but I'm sure you know best.

I don't think the man is claiming in the ads that Obama by himself is pushing us to socialism. I think he means it is simply the general direction we are going, but I could be wrong.

I didn't get the feeling the guy I spoke with is singly blaming Obama either. But he strongly dislikes Obamacare and all of it's imputations.

Once again, you probably know best though, so, whew, I for one am relieved to know we aren't heading that way, because we have your assurances. Thanks for that.

Usually, I'd never say I know best, but in this case I'm feeling pretty good about it. Besides, if we ever get to socialism, you'll be dead and gone. It's not an overnight process nor is it a four year process.

At what age did your open mind and intelligence switch off and go just into straight crazy idea mode? I just want to know how many years I have left.

[KABOOKIE]

When I can't get a righteous selection of sausage at Central Marker, when I can trade some Levi 501's for a Czech made auto to tool around Prague, when farmers are forced on collectives, when lines for toilet paper appear at the walmarts, when I can't vote for two pandering jackasses and only one, then yeah, we are a socialist country. Until then, the Romanian, Hungarian, and yourself are full of sh!t.


Most of us can see where this train is headed. I think that's the OPs whole point. If you want to wait that long then go ahead, comrade.

[SoonerProphet]

Most of us can see where this train is headed. I think that's the OPs whole point. If you want to wait that long then go ahead, comrade.

If you can't see the massive leap from Obamacare to Ceausescu's policy of a gyn. checking your monthly menstrual cycles, I'd say your argument has come of the rails.

[LiveLaughLove]

If you can't see the massive leap from Obamacare to Ceausescu's policy of a gyn. checking your monthly menstrual cycles, I'd say your argument has come of the rails.

If you can't see the direction we are heading than I'd say you were never on the rails.

[LiveLaughLove]

You know in general I try to be nice and discuss things with you. Heading towards is not socialism. Intentions do not mean actions and frankly with control of the House you should be able to stop it. That is twice in the last two days you have gone off on me with virtually no provocation especially since I am voting for Romney.

I suppose you only like government intervention when it supports your agenda.

No, I have never lived under communism socialism. Neither have you. The only thing I see in this thread is you being self-righteous and telling us rather than proving your point. You act as if that anything taught to us in childhood is what we live our lives upon. If I were to live my life like I was taught I would be a drug and sex addict and divorced a few times. Instead I have the only stable marriage in my family. I don't do drugs and drink only on occasion. I have two wonderful kids that are going to be good citizens and one of them is special needs which brings its own issues. Stop talking to me like I am the enemy.

I try to be nice also. But I don't abide people trying to lecture or talk down to me like I'm some school kid that doesn't understand the English language. That's how many of your posts come across to me. If that is unintended, then I sincerely apologize. I know what socialism is without needing to be told by you or anybody. I know what these gentlemen said about it and I believe they are accurate.

Are we there yet? No, but we have to stop it here and now. Obama was this countries jumping the shark.

As for your personal stuff, I have no doubts you are a good person, husband, and father. Glad to hear it. I'm sure we have more in common than not in common.

[LiveLaughLove]

When I can't get a righteous selection of sausage at Central Marker, when I can trade some Levi 501's for a Czech made auto to tool around Prague, when farmers are forced on collectives, when lines for toilet paper appear at the walmarts, when I can't vote for two pandering jackasses and only one, then yeah, we are a socialist country. Until then, the Romanian, Hungarian, and yourself are full of sh!t.
I'm glad to know that you know more about it than they do. Congratulations.

Stay classy.

[SoonerProphet]

If you can't see the direction we are heading than I'd say you were never on the rails.

So you are trying to sell me the same plan the current GOP nominee endorsed is the path the single party dictatorship. Sounds like bullsh!t and I ain't buyin'.

[SoonerProphet]

I'm glad to know that you know more about it than they do. Congratulations.

Stay classy.

Not gonna address the consumption and supply issues of a command economy huh? Or breach the fact that you could pack a role of Charmin and a couple pairs of button flys and live high on the hog back in the good days of the "grey zone" either. Yeah, sounds like it is right around the corner.

[Skysooner]

I try to be nice also. But I don't abide people trying to lecture or talk down to me like I'm some school kid that doesn't understand the English language. That's how many of your posts come across to me. If that is unintended, then I sincerely apologize. I know what socialism is without needing to be told by you or anybody. I know what these gentlemen said about it and I believe they are accurate.

Are we there yet? No, but we have to stop it here and now. Obama was this countries jumping the shark.

As for your personal stuff, I have no doubts you are a good person, husband, and father. Glad to hear it. I'm sure we have more in common than not in common.

I wasn't trying to lecture, talk down to or suggest you don't know the English language. I just read the situation quite a bit differently, and the word socialist, Kenyan, Muslim for Obama has been thrown about for 4 years even before he ever really did anything. We are on the last month before the election, and the rhetoric has just gotten tiresome. I prefer to talk about the issues without it being extreme. I'm this way about it from both sides. For example, I'm generally one that wants to protect the environment, and I even describe myself as an environmentalist, but I absolutely hate all of the bs that comes out of the extreme environmentalist movement (particularly over fracking since all their facts are basically wrong). I, for one, will be happy when this election is over. We are supposed to be getting our mail-in ballots very shortly and for me, it will be done.

[Soonerjeepman]

are we a socialist now...? NO, but even in words of hiliary clinton, you have to take little bites...the American people won't allow big changes. We are getting bitten..

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

No socialist would extend the Bush tax cuts. Ever.

[Soonerjeepman]

No socialist would extend the Bush tax cuts. Ever.

little bites...first healthcare...got to give the MC something to be happy about...

[soonercruiser]

If it looks like a duck, walks and talks like a duck, smells like a duck, and is growing up with ducks, IT'S A DUCK!

This Obama administration was the far left's opportunity to open that door, step through, and take the first steps in the direction......:stupid: