Who won the first debate?

[badger]

Include why in comments if you want.

[mojorisen2014]

Romney kicked ***. Obama was like 3 year old describing a dream to you. He was lost without his teleprompter.

[badger]

IMHO, Romney won because Obama was not prepared for yesterday's debate. He repeated things he was pre-rehearsed to say over and over and did not present new information as the debate moved on at times. He seemed rattled by Romney's responses and remarks.

Perhaps George was reading all of his liberalliberalliberal critique online, but even he didn't side with the Democrat for once. (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2012/10/04/stephanopoulos-breaks-pro-democratic-streak-crisp-romney-get-boost-de)

[jk the sooner fan]

this poll is completely unnecessary - even cnn and msnbc called it for Romney - this is like having a poll to determine who won WW2

[cleller]

I think Romney won because his views make more sense to running a self sustaining government. Obama's ideas appeal to some folks image of some kind of liberal utopia.

[rock on sooner]

Romney won the debate. I am puzzled by Obama's strategy. Romney
blazed away with both guns and Obama hardly fired back at all.

[jk the sooner fan]

Romney compared Obama to one of his 5 sons trying to get over on something - looked him straight in the eye when he said it and Obama just stood there smiling

[Wishboned]

At the Republican convention Clint argued with an empty chair.

Last night Romney debated the chair.

[diverdog]

At the Republican convention Clint argued with an empty chair.

Last night Romney debated the chair.

Cleaver and funny.

[XingTheRubicon]

I remember thinking last night before the debate...what would have to take place for MSNBC to verbally admit on air, that Romney won the debate. I guess we just witnessed it.


My favorite line of the entire debate (and I've heard no one reference it)

(both candidates had been exchanging on the economy for about 10 minutes)
Barack - "Let me make one more point and then maybe we can move on to another topic..."


Yeah, pretty much about a 6 move checkmate.

[XingTheRubicon]

I think Romney won because his views make more sense to running a self sustaining government. Obama's ideas appeal to some folks image of some kind of liberal utopia.

Yeah, it sounds funnier when you say it out loud. It looked Obama was thinking to himself at times, "did I just say that?"

[badger]

Romney compared Obama to one of his 5 sons trying to get over on something - looked him straight in the eye when he said it and Obama just stood there smiling

Obama was thinking "I wanted to have a son, but Michelle said 'no' twice" :P

[BigTip]

Home Run baby!
http://media.nj.com/yankees_main/photo/11302761-large.jpg

The only reason I voted in this no-brainer poll was that hopefully the news media will quote it tonight at some time. lol
I was amazed at one of the experts on one of the networks last night. I don't remember the women's name, but underneath her name it said something like "Democratic party strategist." She was also black.
I could not believe it when SHE was saying Romney won and had much better ideas. I did a double take. Usually they all try to spin it and won't admit a defeat. She was flat out saying it, and sounded like she was changing her vote.

I am feeling much better about life today.

[5thYearSooner]

Mitt Won Hands Down. Potus couldn't look Romney in the eye, he just kept shaking his head, looked dejected , almost pissed off and couldn't counter attack Romney on policies. At the same time I also felt he was trying to defend his policies. At times it seemed like it takes one second to make an accusation but it takes minutes to defend and prove accuser wrong. I think that's what happened to Obama.

[BigTip]

I thought of a better image than my home run one earlier. This one is more appropriate for us.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VXqah3Fpf7o/TWCv1iSJlMI/AAAAAAAAOHM/N5FxPHcTPV0/s1600/Blake%2BGriffin%2BElbow%2Bin%2BRim%2BDunk%2B3.jpg

[Soonerjeepman]

obama "you can have your kids stay on your health insurance until YOU turn age 26"...

good one obama...

obama went over time 13 times, romney 3 (lol, no I didn't keep track, my brother did)

[Curly Bill]

Without his teleprompter Obammy didn't know where to look or what to do.

[BigTip]

obama went over time 13 times, romney 3 (lol, no I didn't keep track, my brother did)

There is a green light that you can see over the moderators shoulder that I assume is the signal to the debaters about their time. I think that signal should be on a small screen in the corner of our TVs to show we viewers what is going on in that regard. Both of them had to sound sort of whiny a couple of times begging for more time.

[olevetonahill]

this poll is completely unnecessary - even cnn and msnbc called it for Romney - this is like having a poll to determine who won WW2

Well Mr. You so smart just who in hell did win? Huh? :surprise:

[jk the sooner fan]

ww2? clearly the germans and japanese

[Mississippi Sooner]

Honestly, there were several times when I thought Obama looked like he wanted to bum a cig.

[olevetonahill]

ww2? clearly the germans and japanese

Thanks, I dint know, :cupcake:

[Soonerjeepman]

There is a green light that you can see over the moderators shoulder that I assume is the signal to the debaters about their time. I think that signal should be on a small screen in the corner of our TVs to show we viewers what is going on in that regard. Both of them had to sound sort of whiny a couple of times begging for more time.

true..but I thought the moderator did a good job of actually letting them go back and forth on the topics. Not cutting them off and moving on.

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

Romney hands down

[hawaii 5-0]

Romney won Round 1.

Not even close.

5-0

[OUinFLA]

What's the odds that the next moderator will lend a hand to the POTUS?

I mean................isn't that what mainstream has been doing with 4 years worth of softball questions?

[StoopTroup]

this poll is completely unnecessary - even cnn and msnbc called it for Romney - this is like having a poll to determine who won WW2

But it makes people here feel better.

[olevetonahill]

But it makes people here feel better.

Where in hell do you come up with this stuff?
Never Mind,

[StoopTroup]

What's the odds that the next moderator will lend a hand to the POTUS?

I mean................isn't that what mainstream has been doing with 4 years worth of softball questions?

I'm sure if The President was to fair better in the next one, that will be the 1st claim you hear. Just like The President is out campaigning this morning about what Romney said in last nights debate. It's just good ole American Political Ping Pong.

We only have a month more of it.....then we can either talk about why Romney or Obama won or lost for the next year.....

[StoopTroup]

Where in hell do you come up with this stuff?
Never Mind,

Nice snipe. I know you feel better about yourself now.

[olevetonahill]

Nice snipe. I know you feel better about yourself now.

Dude I aint sniping at ya, Im just flat assed out saying you've lost yer everlovingmind

[StoopTroup]

Dude I aint sniping at ya, Im just flat assed out saying you've lost yer everlovingmind

Based on what?

[MamaMia]

I thought the debates started much earlier than this.

Romney won that one hands down. Obama looked totally clueless without the help of his little friend, Mr. Prompter.

[olevetonahill]

Based on what?

Yer Crazy assed posts thats what.

[StoopTroup]

Yer Crazy assed posts thats what.

Which ones?

[StoopTroup]

Are you mad Bro?

Am I bothering you?

[olevetonahill]

Are you mad Bro?

Am I bothering you?

You aint smart enough to Get me mad Nor too even bother me. Actually I feel sorry for your ignorant ***.

[olevetonahill]

Which ones?

Theres only 60K of em Ima say the other 1700 were not so nuts

[jk the sooner fan]

who pulled the Obama lever in this poll?

seriously - you need your head examined

[olevetonahill]

who pulled the Obama lever in this poll?

seriously - you need your head examined

Give ya 3 guesses and the 1st 2 dont count, Hint I bet their initials are ST

[jk the sooner fan]

i sorta figured.....baghdad bob....

[olevetonahill]

i sorta figured.....baghdad bob....

Cant decide which Nickname I like better fer him Yers or Spongebob Pillpants :welcoming:

[StoopTroup]

Give ya 3 guesses and the 1st 2 dont count, Hint I bet their initials are ST



You boys chomped that bait, swallowed the entire hook and it's hanging out your *** now.

[jk the sooner fan]

fantasy land......population you

[Curly Bill]

Over/under on number of "happy pills" ST has taken in today?

Ima go with 6

[Curly Bill]

...no, make that 8!

[StoopTroup]

You aint smart enough to Get me mad Nor too even bother me. Actually I feel sorry for your ignorant ***.

Please don't. I don't want Dean thinking I am trying to get folks to feel sorry for me.

[BigTip]

Oy!

Give it a rest boys.

Or are you just trying to pad your post counts? If so....have at it.

[StoopTroup]

Oy!

Give it a rest boys.

Or are you just trying to pad your post counts? If so....have at it.

I hope Vet doesn't claim himself King if he catches my post count....LMAO

If he does, will he get his Casino back? :D

[OU_Sooners75]

But it makes people here feel better.

http://ashkansoltani.org/docs/images/image03.jpg

[OU_Sooners75]

I hope Vet doesn't claim himself King if he catches my post count....LMAO

If he does, will he get his Casino back? :D

http://ashkansoltani.org/docs/images/image03.jpg

[OU_Sooners75]

As expected the challenger won the first one. Usually happens to an incumbent president in the debates. The challenger can target the incumbents first term policies and administration approaches.

That said, also as expect, the Obama camp came right out after the debate firing away about Romney not giving specifics.

That said...I'm not sure what debate the Obama camp witnessed. Romeny didn't go into great detail in anything, but he was pretty specific with his 5 point economic plan. What he would do with the Dod Frank legislation, and even concerning Obamacare.

After the debate the Obama camp also tried to ay Romney admitted to a medicare voucher program. He didn't. And he said it more than once what his goal would be when dealing with medicare.

I also found it hilarious Obama continued to say Romney wanted to cut 5 trillion in taxes of the rich as well spen 2 trillion more in defense, even after romney said it over and over that it ws not true.

There were no great one liners, but Romney got the best shot in when he compared Obama to one of his five boys when they were younger. About how one would say something that wasn't true and keep saying it until someone believed it.

4omney won the debate, not on one liners or being overly agressive. He won it because he had facts and better ideas. While Obama went in saying talking points and false facts.

Oh and one last thing, loved how Romney threw out how Obama keeps picking losers when speaking about energy independence. And how he laid it straight that it wasn't because of Obama that the oil and gas industry is doing so well.

[OU_Sooners75]

I'm trying to figure out why foreign policy wasn't on the debate agenda.

[rock on sooner]

Oy!

Give it a rest boys.

Or are you just trying to pad your post counts? If so....have at it.

Lessee, one of 61k+ and the other 51k+ so don't think padding is it...

[rock on sooner]

I'm trying to figure out why foreign policy wasn't on the debate agenda.

Coming in a later debate...next one is town hall format with
audience questions...pretty sure it'll come up in the coversation...

[jk the sooner fan]

I'm trying to figure out why foreign policy wasn't on the debate agenda.

one of the next debates will focus almost exclusively on FP - they divy up the topics

[OU_Sooners75]

Coming in a later debate...next one is town hall format with
audience questions...pretty sure it'll come up in the coversation...

Town hall format? That's for the birds for many reasons.
To name a couple:

1. The audience is pretty much hand picked by both candidates.
2. The questions are screened and approved.

Or at least in 2008 they were.

Screw town hall discussion formats. Get real debates like we saw yesterday.

Me personally...I would like to see the candidatees seating in a chair, relaxed. Have a moderator between them. And have a format like a coaches show. Where they get 5-10 minutes in opening statements/conversation. Then the other goes. Then give about a 15-20 segment of where they get to go back and forth on the issues that each talked about heading in. Where they can ask each other questions and then answer them.

Finally, for the last hour segment, have a call in show. Where citizens call in and ask a question. They stay on the line until it is answered. Then they can do one follow up question.

Then they can pick out a few emails, tweets, or facebook questions and have the candidates answer them if they are not repeat questions.

Screw hand pick audiences and questions. Let the real folks have a chance to ask them a question!

[rock on sooner]

Town hall format? That's for the birds for many reasons.
To name a couple:

1. The audience is pretty much hand picked by both candidates.
2. The questions are screened and approved.

Or at least in 2008 they were.

Screw town hall discussion formats. Get real debates like we saw yesterday.

Me personally...I would like to see the candidatees seating in a chair, relaxed. Have a moderator between them. And have a format like a coaches show. Where they get 5-10 minutes in opening statements/conversation. Then the other goes. Then give about a 15-20 segment of where they get to go back and forth on the issues that each talked about heading in. Where they can ask each other questions and then answer them.

Finally, for the last hour segment, have a call in show. Where citizens call in and ask a question. They stay on the line until it is answered. Then they can do one follow up question.

Then they can pick out a few emails, tweets, or facebook questions and have the candidates answer them if they are not repeat questions.

Screw hand pick audiences and questions. Let the real folks have a chance to ask them a question!

I don't know for certain but I think question approval is not done by
the campaigns but by someone by the Debate Commission, looking
for political relevance and that sort of thing.

I like your format idea but the call in portion would prolly be a logistical
nightmare, for timing purposes for tv...

[BigTip]

one of the next debates will focus almost exclusively on FP - they divy up the topics

Romney is not scared of this one. Obama has a lot of holes in his foreign policy resume. Just because you are the sitting president doesn't mean you win foreign policy debates.

[jk the sooner fan]

Obama is a walking target rich environment on just about all issues

he's not in a great position to defend his "sterling record" on anything

[StoopTroup]

Timmeh needs to shave. He's starting to look like an albino Baylor Bear.

[olevetonahill]

ST makin a sack of rocks look intelligent since 2010

[cleller]

The poll results so far surprise me. So far no one says Obama won, only two think he tied.

Maybe that's a sign of honesty.
CNN replayed the debate today, I watched a little of it at lunchtime. Romney seemed up, alert, and ready to debate. Obama looked out of his element and listless. It was hard to follow what he was trying to say.

[StoopTroup]

Oh no....somebody else clicked the wrong button....

[fossil]

Cleaver and funny.
Dude! Cleaver????? Really????

[fossil]

Actually, it wasn't even close. Romney symbolically ripped of Obama's head and **** down his neck!!!!

[StoopTroup]

Dude! Cleaver????? Really????

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C7Xo5fPAOj0/T1OCxviYAcI/AAAAAAAAF0I/ju-gvVNVoZM/s1600/june-cleaver.jpg

[olevetonahill]

Oh no....somebody else clicked the wrong button....

How you **** up twice ?

[Wishboned]

Dude! Cleaver????? Really????

It's only used for cutting humor.

[OU_Sooners75]

Substance. Greg, that's the word of the day for you.

Look it up. And try applying it to your posts.

And stop being splenetic

[olevetonahill]

Substance. Greg, that's the word of the day for you.

Look it up. And try applying it to your posts.

And stop being splenetic

Man caint Hep from being A shat turd .

[Wishboned]

You'd expect a countdown list like this from Letterman, but it's not.

http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/10/04/top-five-reasons-democrats-give-for-obamas-debate-debacle/

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I think The Socialist must have smoked some "choom" prior to the debates. He was just phoning it in...

[cleller]

splenetic

What a great word. Hope I can remember it.

[soonercruiser]

Coming in late on both threads.
But, Romney was in his wheel house, the economy and jobs/business. As someone noted he had a complete "command of the facts"!

Obama was, as he has been in his Presidency,...detached and disinterested enough not to respond....maybe that was overconfidence.

**BUT, watching video clips of Chris Matthews "EXPLODE" on air was worth the price of admission!

I really can't phathom how Stoop and Dean can think that the debates aren't important.
We go through year of the candidates spinning their own message. And, the debate is the only time they get to directly confront, answer, and refute! (for those still undecided/confused)

Perhaps Obama was expecting the media to put up better intereference for him?
But, more likely that he has simply used up most of his energies fund raising, playing golf, and his brain is flashing with the words on his campaign teleprompters.
His lack of command of facts and figures shows that he is not "involved" directly in the economy, leadership wise.

He has allowed Harry Ried and Nancy Peel to carry the water too long.
The bucket is empty. So if Obama and Chris Matthews go up the hill to fetch apail of water....something else will be wetting down his leg...not water!
:panda:

[StoopTroup]

I know they are important to you Cruiser. I mean you finally have something to crow about. Maybe you didn't read the part where I was backing up some files and all our phones as I am changing our provider and the sim cards that go in the phones. It's kind of a PITA.

Anyway....I was mostly just screwing around and tossing out quotes I was hearing the many talking heads that were sitting around at round tables. Folks around here are so Pro-Romney and Anti-Obama that anything I said got a snipe and many got so worked up that they took it as like I was Obama's Election Manager and had walked into their house and kicked them in the balls and told them that they didn't win sh*t. It's not real hard to toss out the bait when the sharks are circling a 10 mile stretch of water chummed in blood.

My Wife (Republican all her life)wanted to see the Debate. I told her I didn't want to hear the talking heads and put the channel on CSPAN but somehow it got changed and I didn't make a big deal out of it once I saw the Media was saying Romney won the debate.

I didn't see Matthews explode. I'm sure that I'll get a chance to see a YouTube video of it if it was so good. At the very least you'd think that Bill Maher will have him back on his HBO Show. That should be really interesting....

I did watch some replays/highlights of the debate today while playing ping pong with the ole vet. I watched the obama and Romney Campaign appearances too.

[soonercruiser]

Wifie and I watched CSPAN also........ 'cause we don't want any filters. Just give us the facts.
Just today seeing clips of Matthews....and GORE saying it was the "altitude that affected Obama".

Not sure about that. But, good Ole Al is definatelly high in the Ionosphere! So he probably had a good view.

[SCOUT]

Wifie and I watched CSPAN also........ 'cause we don't want any filters. Just give us the facts.
Just today seeing clips of Matthews....and GORE saying it was the "altitude that affected Obama".

Not sure about that. But, good Ole Al is definatelly high in the Ionosphere! So he probably had a good view.
It was windy. He ran out of time

Was Mack Brown involved?

[StoopTroup]

How you **** up twice ?

I once thought you only created the OVPH because Phil wouldn't allow Bikini Photos....that was one.

The other was that your PTSD wasn't uncontrollable and made worse by your drug and alcohol abuse.

Other than those two....they were really innocent gestures to help a really sick guy that I thought could use and appreciate a few good friends as he got older.

However **** happens.

[SicEmBaylor]

I'm trying to figure out why foreign policy wasn't on the debate agenda.
It's the theme of the third debate.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

who got custody of the parrot?

[StoopTroup]

I'm trying to figure out why foreign policy wasn't on the debate agenda.
http://www.c-span.org/Debates/Events/Pres-Obama-Mitt-Romney-Meet-in-First-Presidential-Debate/10737434292/

[sappstuf]

Foreign policy isn't going to work out so well for Obama after lying to the American people for 2 weeks on what happened in Libya. We now know that the Obama administration weakened the security there in the 6 months leading up to the attack while the British left town because of the increasing danger.

Obama better hope for a "community organizer" debate..

[Monster Zero]

A little late to the game here but I have a question... how is it that a guy who has a 5-star chef living in the same place with him looks so underfed, so... slim? All he's gotta do is send a junior staffer down for a cheeseburger and fries if he wants 'em, with a king-sized coke and a couplea chocolate chip cookies. Right?

And here the guy is lookin... slim... enough to make ya wonder if he's gettin enough to eat. Whats up with that?

[cleller]

Well, I feel a little less triumphant about Obama's poor performance in the debate. Al Gore has pointed out that it was due to the high altitude in Denver:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/al-gore-actually-blames-high-altitude-in-denver-for-obamas-debate-performance/

[Curly Bill]

A little late to the game here but I have a question... how is it that a guy who has a 5-star chef living in the same place with him looks so underfed, so... slim? All he's gotta do is send a junior staffer down for a cheeseburger and fries if he wants 'em, with a king-sized coke and a couplea chocolate chip cookies. Right?

And here the guy is lookin... slim... enough to make ya wonder if he's gettin enough to eat. Whats up with that?

Michelle sure isn't looking underfed! :)

[sappstuf]

A little late to the game here but I have a question... how is it that a guy who has a 5-star chef living in the same place with him looks so underfed, so... slim? All he's gotta do is send a junior staffer down for a cheeseburger and fries if he wants 'em, with a king-sized coke and a couplea chocolate chip cookies. Right?

And here the guy is lookin... slim... enough to make ya wonder if he's gettin enough to eat. Whats up with that?

http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e2015391ba8d6a970b-800wi

[cleller]

A little late to the game here but I have a question... how is it that a guy who has a 5-star chef living in the same place with him looks so underfed, so... slim? All he's gotta do is send a junior staffer down for a cheeseburger and fries if he wants 'em, with a king-sized coke and a couplea chocolate chip cookies. Right?

And here the guy is lookin... slim... enough to make ya wonder if he's gettin enough to eat. Whats up with that?

Lots of salad and quiche.

[okie52]

A little late to the game here but I have a question... how is it that a guy who has a 5-star chef living in the same place with him looks so underfed, so... slim? All he's gotta do is send a junior staffer down for a cheeseburger and fries if he wants 'em, with a king-sized coke and a couplea chocolate chip cookies. Right?

And here the guy is lookin... slim... enough to make ya wonder if he's gettin enough to eat. Whats up with that?

Lots of crow.

[pphilfran]

Lots of crow.

He will never eat crow...but he is good at finding a big dish of scapegoat...

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

I thought of a better image than my home run one earlier. This one is more appropriate for us.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VXqah3Fpf7o/TWCv1iSJlMI/AAAAAAAAOHM/N5FxPHcTPV0/s1600/Blake%2BGriffin%2BElbow%2Bin%2BRim%2BDunk%2B3.jpg

funnier that Michelle Obama is sitting courtside...

[BigTip]

funnier that Michelle Obama is sitting courtside...

lol, and not a Clipper fan by the look on her face.

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

lol, and not a Clipper fan by the look on her face.

she's upset because Blake is half black half white, and better at basketball than her husband.

[sappstuf]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/121015_2012_p465.jpg

[soonercruiser]

LATEST CONJECTURE!!!!!

Bob Woodward (aka Watergate Bob) was on FOX this evening.
He is pushing the theory that Obama was very upset about some news he may have gotten shortly before the debate.
There is a story perculating on a potential scandal about foreign money making it's way into Obama's Presidential campaign.

[ouwasp]

Wonder how many Kools the Prez went through the other night?