Gary Johnson

[KantoSooner]

Check out some stuff about him. You might want to take a second look.

"Governor Johnson, who has been referred to as the ‘most fiscally conservative Governor’ in the country, was the Republican Governor of New Mexico from 1995-2003.

A successful businessman before running for office in 1994, Gov. Johnson started a door-to-door handyman business to help pay his way through college. Twenty years later, he had grown the firm into one of the largest construction companies in New Mexico with over 1,000 employees. Not surprisingly, Governor Johnson brings a distinctly business-like mentality to governing, believing that decisions should be made based on cost-benefit analysis rather than strict ideology.

Johnson is best known for his veto record, which includes over 750 vetoes during his time in office, more than all other governors combined and his use of the veto pen has since earned him the nickname “Governor Veto.” He cut taxes 14 times while never raising them. When he left office, New Mexico was one of only four states in the country with a balanced budget.Term-limited, Johnson retired from public office in 2003. An avid skier, adventurer, and bicyclist, he has reached the highest peak on four of the seven continents, including Mt. Everest.

In 2009, after becoming increasingly concerned with the country’s out-of-control national debt and precarious financial situation, the Governor formed the OUR America Initiative, a 501c(4) non-profit that promotes fiscal responsibility, civil liberties, and rational public policy. He traveled to more than 30 states and spoke to over 150 conservative and libertarian groups during his time as Honorary Chairman.

He has two grown children- a daughter Seah and a son Erik and currently resides in a house he built himself in Taos, New Mexico."

Perhaps voting for something is preferable to voting for the least bad mainstream option.

[Soonerjeepman]

he should run for president...

the one question I'm sure folks will ask...how does the state help the poor? Honestly that seems to be a huge issue...pubs want programs cut back...putting some responsibility on the people it "helps", dems want the programs to continue if not increase because some folks just can't help the situation they are in...

did he provide the middle ground?

[okie52]

He has a lot of good things going for him. It's a shame that he is an open border, pro amnesty guy.

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

He has a lot of good things going for him. It's a shame that he is an open border, pro amnesty guy.
Free trade = free movement of labor as well

[okie52]

Free trade = free movement of labor as well

To an ideologue. No borders=no country

[KantoSooner]

Actually, he seems to be a realist on immigration. Something along the lines of: we've got a long border and obviously people in this country want to hire Mexicans to do some jobs; so, let's figure out a way in which we can can control and regulate it.

Contrasted with Obama's sticking fingers in ears and ignoring the issue and Romney's pander-pander 'solution' of driving 12-15 million people across the border at bayonet point (I'm sure he'll get to that real quick-like after inaugeration), Johnson's gast arbeiter type program has the virtue of being at least a grown-up stab at reason.

[hawaii 5-0]

Is it too late for the Repubs to put this guy up instead of the Vulture?


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[KantoSooner]

You didn't get the memo, did you? The Republicans traded fiscal responsibility for pruriant focus on other people's sex lives about a generation ago.

[okie52]

Actually, he seems to be a realist on immigration. Something along the lines of: we've got a long border and obviously people in this country want to hire Mexicans to do some jobs; so, let's figure out a way in which we can can control and regulate it.

Contrasted with Obama's sticking fingers in ears and ignoring the issue and Romney's pander-pander 'solution' of driving 12-15 million people across the border at bayonet point (I'm sure he'll get to that real quick-like after inaugeration), Johnson's gast arbeiter type program has the virtue of being at least a grown-up stab at reason.

Hell Johnson's open border policy is pandering of the worst kind. It isn't "grown up" to give amnesty to 12,000,000 people that are illegally here and that would wreak even more havoc on our infrastructure should they be given citizenship. Stab is right...stab in the back. Think Germany isn't having a problem with its past immigration policies?

[KantoSooner]

Johnson's not suggesting amnesty. Go do the reading.

[okie52]

Johnson's not suggesting amnesty. Go do the reading.

You do the reading:

Gary Johnson on Immigration:


LEGAL IMMIGRATION STRENGTHENS AMERICA'S ECONOMY AND THE social fabric. It will also strengthen our relationship with our southern neighbor Mexico.

It should be easier for a potential immigrant to get a work visa. Potential immigrants should pass a background check, and then be issued a Social Security card, which would allow them to pay income, payroll, and all other taxes workers pay.
There should be a two-year grace period for illegal immigrants to attain work visas so they can continue contributing to America and begin taking part in American society openly.
Immigrants with temporary work visas should have access to the normal procedures for gaining permanent status and citizenship, and should be able to bring their families to the U.S. after demonstrating ability to support them financially.

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Governor/New_Mexico/Gary_Johnson/Views/Immigration/

Now I don't know about you but giving 12,000,000 illegals temporary work visas which, in turn, puts them on the path to citizenship sure smells like amnesty to me. Then, so these poor trespassers won't feel lonely, he wants to hasten the arrival of the rest of their family. Yep, what a mature approach.

[C&CDean]

If your biggest issue is illegal Mexicans then you have a very issue-free world.

I'd vote for him in a heartbeat, but if he's not pretty/black/caramel/muslim/mormon/rich then he's ****ed.

[KantoSooner]

Okie,
If you want to get your arms around this problem, you first have to get every one of the illegals into some form of organization. Like, for instance, getting them onto a work visa program.
Which also has the benefit of making sure they're paying taxes.
If they can then qualify for permanent residency, seasonal work visas or citizenship, then dandy; but they'll be working inside a system that we run.

If they don't, or don't want to be part of the program, then deport them.

This is not amnesty. It's a way to get some form of control over a situation that is utterly out of control now.

And, by the way, thanks for actually going to the website and reading the blurb there. I wasn't sure that you had the integrity to do so. I was wrong on that point.

[okie52]

Okie,
If you want to get your arms around this problem, you first have to get every one of the illegals into some form of organization. Like, for instance, getting them onto a work visa program.
Which also has the benefit of making sure they're paying taxes.
If they can then qualify for permanent residency, seasonal work visas or citizenship, then dandy; but they'll be working inside a system that we run.

If they don't, or don't want to be part of the program, then deport them.

This is not amnesty. It's a way to get some form of control over a situation that is utterly out of control now.

And, by the way, thanks for actually going to the website and reading the blurb there. I wasn't sure that you had the integrity to do so. I was wrong on that point.

Getting the illegals into a system isn't my goal. My goal is for them to leave. I want a smaller population not a larger one. I'm for making the US an unattractive destination for them by eliminating opportunities for work and government benefits. Mandating that employers use everify would be a step in the right direction.

To tout an approach that would bring their families here to the US during their 2 year "temporary visa" status would only exacerbate the situation with more "anchor babies" in the offing. If you could eliminate the "birth right citizenship" you could greatly reduce the problem.

Ron Paul has a very different approach than Gary Johnson. And I've known about Johnson's positions for some time now.

[okie52]

If your biggest issue is illegal Mexicans then you have a very issue-free world.

I'd vote for him in a heartbeat, but if he's not pretty/black/caramel/muslim/mormon/rich then he's ****ed.

My biggest issue is energy independence and the idiots that stand in its way.

Next biggest problem is cowering to the legal hispanic population to get their vote so all of their relatives can be US citizens.

[C&CDean]

My biggest issue is energy independence and the idiots that stand in its way.

Next biggest problem is cowering to the legal hispanic population to get their vote so all of their relatives can be US citizens.

My biggest issue is having supper on the table, gas in the tank, hay in the barn, a closet full of firearms, and decent schools for my grandbabies.

It takes at least a few Mexicans to make these things happen. I was raised with them and their presence doesn't frighten me. Why? Cause they'll work. Our native-born welfare tit babies could learn a thing or 6 from the people you hate.

[KantoSooner]

We've agreed on everify before, so take that as read.

I guess I don't see the border as ever being sealed and fully expect legal workers to go back and forth. I see that as desireable. So I'm probably more willing to try a system that legalizes and organizes such work without a necessary pathway to citizenship.

and, at the same time, clean up our immigration policies so that legit immigrants can get an answer in a reasonable time.

[okie52]

My biggest issue is having supper on the table, gas in the tank, hay in the barn, a closet full of firearms, and decent schools for my grandbabies.

It takes at least a few Mexicans to make these things happen. I was raised with them and their presence doesn't frighten me. Why? Cause they'll work. Our native-born welfare tit babies could learn a thing or 6 from the people you hate.

It didn't use to take any Mexicans at all to make those things happen.

Don't hate Mexicans at all but I do hate illegal immigration. I also hate the temerity of illegal immigrants and their supporters when they demand their rights.

But Mexican senoritas...I do love how they look.

[C&CDean]

It didn't use to take any Mexicans at all to make those things happen.

Don't hate Mexicans at all but I do hate illegal immigration. I also hate the temerity of illegal immigrants and their supporters when they demand their rights.

But Mexican senoritas...I do love how they look.

And fresh Christmas tamales and homemade tortillas!!

You're right, it didn't used to. Problem is, we've got a bunch of lazy-assed native-borns who are too good to pick cabbage or haul hay. We could build a 50-foot wall the length of the border with the money we'd save off welfare/social programs if we'd put their lazy asses to work.

It ain't the Mexican's fault for wanting to work/eat/succeed. Now the white apologists who represent/incite some of the more militant illegals? Different story.

[hawaii 5-0]

My biggest issue is having supper on the table, gas in the tank, hay in the barn, a closet full of firearms, and decent schools for my grandbabies.

It takes at least a few Mexicans to make these things happen. I was raised with them and their presence doesn't frighten me. Why? Cause they'll work. Our native-born welfare tit babies could learn a thing or 6 from the people you hate.

Dean, you left off affordable Viagra.

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[TheHumanAlphabet]

I would vote for him in a heart beat, if it weren't for The Socialist and looking to get rid of him.

[C&CDean]

Well, if the day comes where I might need Viagra then yeah, let's throw that in too.

[okie52]

And fresh Christmas tamales and homemade tortillas!!

You're right, it didn't used to. Problem is, we've got a bunch of lazy-assed native-borns who are too good to pick cabbage or haul hay. We could build a 50-foot wall the length of the border with the money we'd save off welfare/social programs if we'd put their lazy asses to work.

It ain't the Mexican's fault for wanting to work/eat/succeed. Now the white apologists who represent/incite some of the more militant illegals? Different story.

I don't blame the Mexicans at all for wanting better work and a better life. If I could choose one nationality to immigrate on a large scale it would be the Mexicans. They are hard working and culturally they are a pretty good fit. I know many employers who swear they can't live without them.

[pphilfran]

A kinder, gentler Okie52

[okie52]

A kinder, gentler Okie52


A compassionate conservative...and I still want them gone...but in the nicest way.

[C&CDean]

A compassionate conservative...and I still want them gone...but in the nicest way.

Give me Jose, Guadalupe, Chin Yang, Prasamathuang - and please take Tyrone, LaKeisha, Yvonne, and Billy Ray. Any day of the week.

[okie52]

Give me Jose, Guadalupe, Chin Yang, Prasamathuang - and please take Tyrone, LaKeisha, Yvonne, and Billy Ray. Any day of the week.

Heh heh. Are trades possible?