Republican Blues

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Fifty-three percent of those who vote are women. If women don't like you, you're ****ed at the polls, but not in the feel-good way.

Mr. Obama holds a 10-point lead in swing-state Ohio among those who say they will definitely vote, a lead propelled by a 25-point advantage among women.

Mr. Obama also holds a huge lead among women in swing-state Pennsylvania, where his advantage overall stands at 12 points. The president leads his opponent by 21-points among women.

THis election was framed by the GOP as a test of America's values. The way things look right now seems to confirm a long held suspicion that the right wing of the GOP represents a viewpoint not as widely shared as was orginally thought. Of course the right will blame Romney since they never liked him. But it's hard to imagine people like Bachmann or Santorum suddenly commanding the middle ground that Romney has had to cede in order to wrest the nomination from them. Had Romney run as the moderate candidate he naturally was, he might not be trailing in the polls now, and he wouldn't have said all the idiotic right wing stuff that excites comedians like Ann Coulter and Rush, but turns off millions of potential voters

[yermom]

he seemed like a more reasonable guy 4 years ago

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

You can look at polls and believe them if you want, but there is quite a bit of manipulation in favor of democrats with most polls. Actually, this election is about getting rid of Obama, since he is seen by people who pay even remotely close attention to what's happened politically as well as economically since Obama has been in office, as hopelessly inept at best, and along the continuum to intentionally destructive, if viewed with a more scrutinizing eye. We have 40 more days of his economic destruction, inexplicable constraints and regulations, and astronomically wasteful and debilitating spending.

[hawaii 5-0]

On Fox they're all saying that the 10 polls that have Obama ahead are all wrong.


According to Dlck Morris Romney is ahead.


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[okie52]

Fifty-three percent of those who vote are women. If women don't like you, you're ****ed at the polls, but not in the feel-good way.

Mr. Obama holds a 10-point lead in swing-state Ohio among those who say they will definitely vote, a lead propelled by a 25-point advantage among women.

Mr. Obama also holds a huge lead among women in swing-state Pennsylvania, where his advantage overall stands at 12 points. The president leads his opponent by 21-points among women.

THis election was framed by the GOP as a test of America's values. The way things look right now seems to confirm a long held suspicion that the right wing of the GOP represents a viewpoint not as widely shared as was orginally thought. Of course the right will blame Romney since they never liked him. But it's hard to imagine people like Bachmann or Santorum suddenly commanding the middle ground that Romney has had to cede in order to wrest the nomination from them. Had Romney run as the moderate candidate he naturally was, he might not be trailing in the polls now, and he wouldn't have said all the idiotic right wing stuff that excites comedians like Ann Coulter and Rush, but turns off millions of potential voters

Just goes to show ya that pussies vote for Obama.

[Skysooner]

On Fox they're all saying that the 10 polls that have Obama ahead are all wrong.


According to Dlck Morris Romney is ahead.


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Strictly ratings. RLIMC is completely wrong on this. This isn't manipulating per se. They have to have a basis to go off of, and the last basis was the 2008 elections. Could the race be closer than the polls are indicating? Sure they could. Polls have a margin of error, and the sampling is different across polls. I have been called a few times this year for national election polling and not once have they asked me to identify myself as a Dem or Republican. To say that all polls are wrong when all indicate the same thing is just sticking your head in the sand. Romney has himself a huge problem here. The battle is among a few states now, and the key states (Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania) are all leaning Obama by a decent margin at this point.

[XingTheRubicon]

You're gonna get your free birth control pills...congrats

[XingTheRubicon]

Strictly ratings. RLIMC is completely wrong on this. This isn't manipulating per se. They have to have a basis to go off of, and the last basis was the 2008 elections. Could the race be closer than the polls are indicating? Sure they could. Polls have a margin of error, and the sampling is different across polls. I have been called a few times this year for national election polling and not once have they asked me to identify myself as a Dem or Republican. To say that all polls are wrong when all indicate the same thing is just sticking your head in the sand. Romney has himself a huge problem here. The battle is among a few states now, and the key states (Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania) are all leaning Obama by a decent margin at this point.

A polling guy on CNN said that the battle ground state polls don't ask if you're R or D, but do ask "do you identify with the rep of dem party or neither."

If anyone thinks Obama will win Ohio by 10 points (or even 8), I'll go ahead and wager any amount of cash you can come up with (or food stamp equivalent) Rasmussen has swing states at a statistical dead heat 46% to 46%, and they were the most accurate poll last time around.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_swing_state_tracking_poll

[Skysooner]

A polling guy on CNN said that the battle ground state polls don't ask if you're R or D, but do ask "do you identify with the rep of dem party or neither."

If anyone thinks Obama will win Ohio by 10 points (or even 8), I'll go ahead and wager any amount of cash you can come up with (or food stamp equivalent) Rasmussen has swing states at a statistical dead heat 46% to 46%, and they were the most accurate poll last time around.

Mine have simply been who are you going to vote for and is there a chance you will change your mind before election day. I didn't say the margins would be right. Still there are a plethora of polls across the spectrum and Romney is either behind or in a dead heat for key states. This isn't the mid-term elections where people don't vote. Turnout is key for both, and there is plenty of anger on both sides. We will soon know. Also contrary to what RLIMC says, this isn't about voting Obama out as much as whether you are excited about your candidate. That is what brings the unlikely voters out. The hard-core on each side will show up. I'm just glad we offer advance mail-in balloting. It is a struggle for me to make it to my polling place with my current job.

[sappstuf]

Strictly ratings. RLIMC is completely wrong on this. This isn't manipulating per se. They have to have a basis to go off of, and the last basis was the 2008 elections. Could the race be closer than the polls are indicating? Sure they could. Polls have a margin of error, and the sampling is different across polls. I have been called a few times this year for national election polling and not once have they asked me to identify myself as a Dem or Republican. To say that all polls are wrong when all indicate the same thing is just sticking your head in the sand. Romney has himself a huge problem here. The battle is among a few states now, and the key states (Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania) are all leaning Obama by a decent margin at this point.

Basing the 2012 election on solely the 2008 election is the problem. Many people were enchanted with "The One" and many Repubs stayed home and didn't vote after 8 years of Bush. It made for a wide swing of voters with Dems hitting historic highs. Why not look at 2004, 2000, 1996?

Do you think Obama will get more or less votes this election after 4 years of Obamanomics and his actually having a record(and not a pretty one) to run on?

He almost certainly lose votes which means looking at the 2008 election will not be accurate.

[Skysooner]

He almost certainly lose votes which means looking at the 2008 election will not be accurate.

I only talk about 2008 as those are the talking points I'm seeing. Nothing is solely based on the last election. Polling and statistics involves a high degree of complexity in terms of polling, etc. I don't believe all of the simplification as it is made out to be. Most of the time when something is done like this, they use an exponential weighting in which the most recent data point gets the most weighting, but the last 5 or 6 elections get factored in as well but to a lesser degree. Polling is not an exact science, but it is pretty accurate for what it is trying to do. Let's see what the last 10 days show before the election, and we can then have a higher degree of confidence in them.

I work with risk, uncertainty and statistics, so I have some degree of knowledge of what they do. However, I'm not a polling expert and that is a different speciality.

[C&CDean]

Ann Coulter is right.

[Fraggle145]

he seemed like a more reasonable guy 4 years ago

So did John McCain before he ran.

[yermom]

You can look at polls and believe them if you want, but there is quite a bit of manipulation in favor of democrats with most polls. Actually, this election is about getting rid of Obama, since he is seen by people who pay even remotely close attention to what's happened politically as well as economically since Obama has been in office, as hopelessly inept at best, and along the continuum to intentionally destructive, if viewed with a more scrutinizing eye. We have 40 more days of his economic destruction, inexplicable constraints and regulations, and astronomically wasteful and debilitating spending.

in fact, despite what the MSM tells you, McCain won the last election. someone on here told me so 4 years ago.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Ann Coulter is right.

Apparently the pubs have put her in charge of recruiting black folks. Good luck with that.

[yermom]

So did John McCain before he ran.

i was fine with him until i heard Palin talk about anything

[hawaii 5-0]

Ann Coulter is right.


She can't get a date with a man OR a woman.


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[rock on sooner]

Just goes to show ya that pussies vote for Obama.

Yeah, the REAL ones....

[rock on sooner]

She can't get a date with a man OR a woman.


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She's been all over tv lately pimping her book. She was on The View yesterday
and Whoopi just ripped her a new one...

[badger]

You're gonna get your free birth control pills...congrats

When the big box stores started getting into a pharmacy war, birth control medicine costs dropped WAAAAAAY down. I am not exaggerating in saying that you can easily find a month's supply for under $10. That's affordable. Not free, but affordable.

[badger]

Do you think Obama will get more or less votes this election after 4 years of Obamanomics and his actually having a record(and not a pretty one) to run on?

Much like Republican voters seemed to stay home in 2008, I think a lot of new Obama voters of 2008 will not bother to show up in 2012.

You can only be part of the "firsties" once. You voted in a historic election for a historic candidate. Now that he is the first and you elected the first... you can't be part of history again. Now you're just part of yet another presidential election. Why bother? Does your single vote really matter? Stay home.

I have no intention of staying home, but I imagine the mindset of many first-time voters turning out just for Obama will not care as much this time around.

[yermom]

i've been saying that too, but who is really excited about Romney?

i just don't see many people in the middle really being excited either way

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

i was fine with him until i heard Palin talk about anythingno doubt you would have voted for McCain if it wasn't for that stupid Christian Palin, who never even DREAMED of claiming that middle ground!

[Skysooner]

no doubt you would have voted for McCain if it wasn't for that stupid Christian Palin, who never even DREAMED of claiming that middle ground!

Just stupid. The Christian had nothing to do with it.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Fifty-three percent of those who vote are women. If women don't like you, you're ****ed at the polls, but not in the feel-good way.

Mr. Obama holds a 10-point lead in swing-state Ohio among those who say they will definitely vote, a lead propelled by a 25-point advantage among women.

Mr. Obama also holds a huge lead among women in swing-state Pennsylvania, where his advantage overall stands at 12 points. The president leads his opponent by 21-points among women.

THis election was framed by the GOP as a test of America's values. The way things look right now seems to confirm a long held suspicion that the right wing of the GOP represents a viewpoint not as widely shared as was orginally thought. Of course the right will blame Romney since they never liked him. But it's hard to imagine people like Bachmann or Santorum suddenly commanding the middle ground that Romney has had to cede in order to wrest the nomination from them. Had Romney run as the moderate candidate he naturally was, he might not be trailing in the polls now, and he wouldn't have said all the idiotic right wing stuff that excites comedians like Ann Coulter and Rush, but turns off millions of potential voters

What the polls don't report that some have is that the women lead is among black women, not white. A slight lead for The Socialist with hispanic women and toss up with asians.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Hey SJS, how is your astronaut buddy doing in the valley?

[Fraggle145]

Just stupid. The Christian had nothing to do with it.

Bingo.

[Skysooner]

What the polls don't report that some have is that the women lead is among black women, not white. A slight lead for The Socialist with hispanic women and toss up with asians.



He has a 20-25 point gap among women. If as you say, the lead is only among black women and only a slight lead with Hispanics and a toss up with Asians, here is what you are dealing with.

If black women make up roughly 12.5% of the female population and everything else is a wash, then you are looking at a 12.5% lead if Obama got 100% of their vote (close to likely). Where is the rest of the gap coming from if it isn't from Asians and only a slight lead among Hispanics? As an engineer you should know numbers better than that.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Analysis reported shows a majority of white women breaking for Romney. I can only report what I hear as I am not conducting the polls. we'll find out how things are going for sure on Nov. 6.

Many of the polls reported in the MSM is their attempt to dishearten the conservative vote into not voting. Won't work. I envision the Chik-fil-A lines on Nov. 6 and I suspect most of those people will be voting Romney.

[Skysooner]

Analysis reported shows a majority of white women breaking for Romney. I can only report what I hear as I am not conducting the polls. we'll find out how things are going for sure on Nov. 6.

Many of the polls reported in the MSM is their attempt to dishearten the conservative vote into not voting. Won't work. I envision the Chik-fil-A lines on Nov. 6 and I suspect most of those people will be voting Romney.

Maybe on a national level. Wouldnt apply on a state by state basis where there seems to be disparity.

[yermom]

no doubt you would have voted for McCain if it wasn't for that stupid Christian Palin, who never even DREAMED of claiming that middle ground!

honestly, it was a coin flip before Palin was in the picture. all you people hated McCain before he won the nomination anyway.

i was just happy it wasn't Hilary. she's always rubbed me the wrong way.

[FaninAma]

It doesn't matter. The federal government makes for a poor life partner. The end game has started and it will culminate in government bakruptcy. Neither party has the courage among its leadership to alter the course.

I wonder if you polled Greek or Spanish women if they would admit that they were let down by the big pro-subsidy progressives they voted for in the past.

Within 5 years we will have a nation full of bewildered democratic/single female voters wondering how we got to the point Europe finds itself in now. The common theme among this group will be the absolute refusal to look in the mirror and see who is actually responsible for their predicament.

[hawaii 5-0]

i've been saying that too, but who is really excited about Romney?

i just don't see many people in the middle really being excited either way


I think with all the Polls (even Fox's tho they won't admit it) heavily in favour of the Prez there's gonna be a number of Repubs are gonna decide Romney has no chance and will just skip this one.

Too bad they didn't run a better candidate than Mitt. Curious how Santorum woulda done. At least he was someone real conservatives could back.

Romney was never conservative. He's just 'not Obama'.

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[FaninAma]

I think with all the Polls (even Fox's tho they won't admit it) heavily in favour of the Prez there's gonna be a number of Repubs are gonna decide Romney has no chance and will just skip this one.

Too bad they didn't run a better candidate than Mitt. Curious how Santorum woulda done. At least he was someone real conservatives could back.

Romney was never conservative. He's just 'not Obama'.

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I doubt it. The GOP will turn out just to keep the HoR strongly Republican. They will not risk letting the democrats regain Congress.

[pphilfran]

I am with Fanin...I think the Pubs are going to be out in full force...they may not all like Rom but they damn sure like him better than Obama...

Not enough time for the economy to really tank (though I think it is borderline) and help Rom....

So...

I think the popular vote will be close...but Obama wins the electorate handily...

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

honestly, it was a coin flip before Palin was in the picture. all you people hated McCain before he won the nomination anyway.

i was just happy it wasn't Hilary. she's always rubbed me the wrong way.haha. She's just like Obeary, except she prolly doesn't hate the USA as much as He does. You would vote for her for the same reason the other Lefties would. She's Democrat, and she would allow the impeached one access to the halls of power again.

[hawaii 5-0]

I just hope the debates, both Prez and VP provide some good entertainment.

Anytime Joe Biden has a microphone there's gonna be a laugh or several.

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[FaninAma]

She can't get a date with a man OR a woman.


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I like how the tolerant progressives call the right hateful yet we see constant comments from the left like this. Do you really want to get into a comparison about the looks of conservative women v. the looks of progressive women? Is that even an activity than any good, self-proclaimed progressive should be engaging in?

[LiveLaughLove]

Voter registration is down by over 400k in Ohio. of that number, 44% of the decrease is in Cleveland.

I think the worry on voter turnout is in the dem camp. Everyone I know is chomping at the bit to get dear leader out.

[hawaii 5-0]

I like how the tolerant progressives call the right hateful yet we see constant comments from the left like this. Do you really want to get into a comparison about the looks of conservative women v. the looks of progressive women? Is that even an activity than any good, self-proclaimed progressive should be engaging in?


I wasn't generalizing about Libs or Cons. I was referring to Ann Coulter. No one else.


If you think she's hawt, that's fine.

Me, I think she's scarey looking. I wouldn't let my kids near her for fear their faces might turn to stone.

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[rock on sooner]

I wasn't generalizing about Libs or Cons. I was referring to Ann Coulter. No one else.


If you think she's hawt, that's fine.

Me, I think she's scarey looking. I wouldn't let my kids near her for fear their faces might turn to stone.

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Ms Coulter deserves her own thread, according to her, her own website, maybe
even her own server...bet she doesn't go on The View again, at least until she
has a new book. Whoopi, Joy, Sherri, even Barbara ripped her!

[Sooner5030]

It doesn't matter. The federal government makes for a poor life partner. The end game has started and it will culminate in government bakruptcy. Neither party has the courage among its leadership to alter the course.

I wonder if you polled Greek or Spanish women if they would admit that they were let down by the big pro-subsidy progressives they voted for in the past.

Within 5 years we will have a nation full of bewildered democratic/single female voters wondering how we got to the point Europe finds itself in now. The common theme among this group will be the absolute refusal to look in the mirror and see who is actually responsible for their predicament.

This....I am amazed at how we have such a large revenue-expenditure gap yet the biggest grab for voters is the promise for expanded intervention. F-ing herd deserves what it has coming. Moms gonna fix it all soon.

[OU_Sooners75]

Strictly ratings. RLIMC is completely wrong on this. This isn't manipulating per se. They have to have a basis to go off of, and the last basis was the 2008 elections. Could the race be closer than the polls are indicating? Sure they could. Polls have a margin of error, and the sampling is different across polls. I have been called a few times this year for national election polling and not once have they asked me to identify myself as a Dem or Republican. To say that all polls are wrong when all indicate the same thing is just sticking your head in the sand. Romney has himself a huge problem here. The battle is among a few states now, and the key states (Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania) are all leaning Obama by a decent margin at this point.

When I was a little younger and before my daughter was born, I worked a second job for a company that did polling calls.

These polls were not always political either. Some were mere survey calls for different products.

However, we did have an account for Gallup Political polls.

It sucked making calls for gallop because they were to be read verbatim. If you even missed or changed one word, it was your *** if you were being monitored.


That said, all the polls asked questions about general thoughts of both candidates. And they would always ask at the beginning what party you were registered.

My point is, if you get a call from a reputable company like Gallup that tries to get an even number of input from both parties, they will ask.

And many other polls will only call those that are in a known area that respresents one side or the other more than not.

So yes, polls are manipulated at will by many. But some companies that do the surveys also try to get imput from both sides equally.

If you think some of these polling calls don't have an idea what party you most likely belong to, then your kidding yourself.

[FaninAma]

I wasn't generalizing about Libs or Cons. I was referring to Ann Coulter. No one else.


If you think she's hawt, that's fine.

Me, I think she's scarey looking. I wouldn't let my kids near her for fear their faces might turn to stone.

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Fair enough. I assume you like full figure gals like Michelle Obama.

[FaninAma]

This....I am amazed at how we have such a large revenue-expenditure gap yet the biggest grab for voters is the promise for expanded intervention. F-ing herd deserves what it has coming. Moms gonna fix it all soon.

The problem is that those who recognized the consequences will get hit hard....just not as hard as those who will have no clue what caused meltdown and who will be the same ones lashing out blaming everybody from the GOP to the rich to the Tea Party.

[hawaii 5-0]

Fair enough. I assume you like full figure gals like Michelle Obama.

Actually my tastes run a pretty wide spectrum regardless of political affiliation.

Skin and bones is a turnoff tho. I don't go for women with an 11 year old's body. Somebody buy her a cheeseburger. Nothing wrong with slender. Or plump.

I prefer they be female tho and want them to at least look like a living person and not some Afghan hound.

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[SanJoaquinSooner]

Hey SJS, how is your astronaut buddy doing in the valley?

He's running against an incumbent, so it's an uphill battle for him. The only poll I've seen has him 5 percentage points behind. The San Joaquin Valley is relatively conservative as compared to the coast.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Thanks. I saw a story on him on a national program. Still sad they closed the restaurant here. Their son was working on his Eagle Scout award, i hope he finished it.