Interesting Read on CO2 emissions and fracking

[Skysooner]

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/project_syndicate/2012/09/thanks_to_fracking_u_s_carbon_emissions_are_at_the _lowest_levels_in_20_years_.html

This is when common sense should overwhelm stupid ideas thrown around by politicians that have no idea about science beyond what their base tells them.

[CowboyMRW]

Also, there will never be another Coal plant built in the US. The one being completed in Marissa, Illinois is the last one. It's not just CO2 that coal plants produce though. SO2 is extremely high coming from them.

But there are natural gas plants popping up everywhere. A bunch of GE LM6000s being brought up.

[okie52]

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/project_syndicate/2012/09/thanks_to_fracking_u_s_carbon_emissions_are_at_the _lowest_levels_in_20_years_.html

This is when common sense should overwhelm stupid ideas thrown around by politicians that have no idea about science beyond what their base tells them.

Yep, someone posted a month or so ago about the 20% drop in CO2 WITHOUT CAP AND TRADE which would have allowed for a much higher CO2 content had it been in place.

It is also maddening to read the idiocy of Kristin Lynch under "safety" contained in the article. She doesn't produce one example of contamination in her article from fracking...you know, the groundwater contamination theory that puts them right up there with the flat earthers. She did state how 96,000,000 barrels of wastewater "leached" onto a farmers property killing almond trees. Leached? What the hell does that mean? It just grabbed onto the old farmers property as if drawn there by some magnet? And how many almond trees were killed? 2? 5? 7? I love the way she ends the article by stating that smarter, more sustainable ways to boost CAs economy than allowing fracking but then fails to mention them. What the dimwit doesn't realize or fails to state is that California has been living with fracked oil and gas wells for over 60 years...and they are still drinking their water and producing oil and gas.

But hey, Obama is an NG guy...just look at all he's done for it.

[Skysooner]

Yep, someone posted a month or so ago about the 20% drop in CO2 WITHOUT CAP AND TRADE which would have allowed for a much higher CO2 content had it been in place.

It is also maddening to read the idiocy of Kristin Lynch under "safety" contained in the article. She doesn't produce one example of contamination in her article from fracking...you know, the groundwater contamination theory that puts them right up there with the flat earthers. She did state how 96,000,000 barrels of wastewater "leached" onto a farmers property killing almond trees. Leached? What the hell does that mean? It just grabbed onto the old farmers property as if drawn there by some magnet? And how many almond trees were killed? 2? 5? 7? I love the way she ends the article by stating that smarter, more sustainable ways to boost CAs economy than allowing fracking but then fails to mention them. What the dimwit doesn't realize or fails to state is that California has been living with fracked oil and gas wells for over 60 years...and they are still drinking their water and producing oil and gas.

But hey, Obama is an NG guy...just look at all he's done for it.

Interesting. I missed that part in the article. We have a business intelligence unit that forwards articles like this, and the summary they sent didn't capture that. 96 million barrels? Ridiculous. We pretty much have to file a EIS anytime there is a release of more than a few barrels.

[okie52]

Interesting. I missed that part in the article? 96 million barrels? Ridiculous. We pretty much have to file a EIS anytime there is a release of more than a few barrels.

Yep..but somehow this flew under the radar. I really wondered about her term "leached". The wastewater just globbed onto these poor almond trees and the farmers property?

[Skysooner]

http://www.ziffenergy.com/download/papers/natural_gas_under_siege_white_paper.pdf

Another interesting read for those that want to delve further. This paper is very accurate with what is happening out there although it doesn't go into quantities of NG out there (well over 100 years supply at current technology levels).

[Skysooner]

Yep..but somehow this flew under the radar. I really wondered about her term "leached". The wastewater just globbed onto these poor almond trees and the farmers property?

Yes, it was a total misuse of the word.

[okie52]

http://www.ziffenergy.com/download/papers/natural_gas_under_siege_white_paper.pdf

Another interesting read for those that want to delve further. This paper is very accurate with what is happening out there although it doesn't go into quantities of NG out there (well over 100 years supply at current technology levels).

Pretty good read (although I have just glanced it over so far). The value of gas to oil is really illustrated in this article.

[okie52]

Yes, it was a total misuse of the word.

The total BP spill in the Gulf was just under 5 million barrels. California must have really had a gusher!!!!

[pphilfran]

One cubic yard is right at 200 gallons...

42 gallons to a barrel
96,000,000 barrels
So just a smidgin more than 4 billion gallons...

4 billion divided by 200 gallons

20 million cubic yards

A football playing field is roughly 100 yards by 50 yards...5000 square yards...

So...4000 football fields a yard deep....

And if you stacked those 4000 football fields end to end they would stretch from Norman to Ennis, Tx...going to the drags (225 miles)

[cleller]

Seems incredible there is not more effort to put CNG vehicles on the road.

[Skysooner]

Seems incredible there is not more effort to put CNG vehicles on the road.

There is among public vehicles. The biggest issue is infrastructure. There is also a big effort to change long haul trucking into NG which would really help the ability to use cars on longer trips.

Btw you heard it here first. We won't be importing light sweet crude for very much longer. That is almost all displaced at this point.

[okie52]

One cubic yard is right at 200 gallons...

42 gallons to a barrel
96,000,000 barrels
So just a smidgin more than 4 billion gallons...

4 billion divided by 200 gallons

20 million cubic yards

A football playing field is roughly 100 yards by 50 yards...5000 square yards...

So...4000 football fields a yard deep....

And if you stacked those 4000 football fields end to end they would stretch from Norman to Ennis, Tx...going to the drags (225 miles)

That's a lot of leaching