The Dems LOVE The Military

[sappstuf]

On the last night of the Democratic Convention, they had a big tribute to the military. They had a retired Admiral speak and all. Here is a pic:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d102/sappstuf/russianships.jpg

Patriotic indeed.

One little problem though. Those ships aren't US ships.. That is the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/09/navy-russian-warships-displayed-dnc-veterans-tribute-091112/

Apparently the DNC has high res photos of the Russian Navy just laying around, but none of the United States Navy and they have all those people saying thank you to the Russian sailors with their signs. I'm sure they are appreciative over there.

This reminds me of a couple of months ago when Obama was taking a little heat about his support for the military and he said:


I'd advise that you talk to General McRaven, who's in charge of our Special Ops. I think he has a point of view in terms of how deeply I care about what these folks do each and every day to protect our freedom

First off, it is clear that Obama doesn't have a clue about the military... Do you think a senior active duty officer would give his actual thoughts on this matter? It is a silly proposition and makes it perfectly clear Obama doesn't understand the military.

But more importantly, if you are going to refer people to someone that is going to support how much you deeply care about the military folks, it is a good idea to get that person rank right. It is Admiral McRaven, Mr. President... He is your top Special Operations Commander who has spent 35 years in the United States Navy. If you can't get his rank, how much do you "deeply care"?

Clueless.

[cleller]

Look at that. The whole big wig ensemble of the Democrat Party standing humbly under a giant display of Russian military might.

[Curly Bill]

Look at that. The whole big wig ensemble of the Democrat Party standing humbly under a giant display of Russian military might.

Kinda makes sense doesn't it!

[olevetonahill]

Dayum Socialists

[Midtowner]

I agree. The party which is wrapping up Bush's needless wars and sending our men and women home is the only party with the military's best interest in mind.

[okie52]

I agree. The party which is wrapping up Bush's needless wars and sending our men and women home is the only party with the military's best interest in mind.

How's Libya looking?

[sappstuf]

I agree. The party which is wrapping up Bush's needless wars and sending our men and women home is the only party with the military's best interest in mind.

Obama followed Bush's plan to a T in Iraq and we were out of there last year.

Obama campaigned on Afghanistan being the "good war" and then sent a surge of people to fight in it... That really is the opposite of "sending our men and women home" isn't it?

[olevetonahill]

I agree. The party which is wrapping up Bush's needless wars and sending our men and women home is the only party with the military's best interest in mind.

Keep rewriting History there Dumas

[Midtowner]

How's Libya looking?

Ask a Libyan.

[olevetonahill]

Ask a Libyan.

Yea, That Dayumed Bush will have us in there next. that sorry bastard

[okie52]

Ask a Libyan.

Sure couldn't ask our ambassador.

[sappstuf]

Ask a Libyan.

Would that be the Libyan that killed our Ambassador and 3 others yesterday?

[Midtowner]

Obama followed Bush's plan to a T in Iraq and we were out of there last year.

Obama campaigned on Afghanistan being the "good war" and then sent a surge of people to fight in it... That really is the opposite of "sending our men and women home" isn't it?

And yet they're going home.

[Midtowner]

Would that be the Libyan that killed our Ambassador and 3 others yesterday?

Those particular individuals are animals and should be exterminated. Either their government deals with this or I say the U.S. closes shop and stops cutting checks. Those animals are neither more nor less present in Libya now than under the foreign regime. The people of Libya, however, are better off now than before (unless they're part of the former regime).

[olevetonahill]

And yet they're going home.

God Bless Obammy

[okie52]

And yet they're going home.

Because of the withdrawal agreement between W and Iraq long before Obama ever set foot in office.

[sappstuf]

And yet they're going home.

So your response on Iraq is 'Obama didn't screw up the plan Bush put into place'... Fair enough.

I was sent to Afghanistan as part of Obama's surge. If it were not for his surge, I would not have had to go over there so I could come home.

[okie52]

Those particular individuals are animals and should be exterminated. Either their government deals with this or I say the U.S. closes shop and stops cutting checks. Those animals are neither more nor less present in Libya now than under the foreign regime. The people of Libya, however, are better off now than before (unless they're part of the former regime).

These animals wouldn't have attacked our embassy had Quadaffi still been in power. And we don't even know who we have helped in Libya....we may have very well helped Al Queda assume power.

But, evidently, you seem comfortable with interventionism.

[sappstuf]

And yet they're going home.

Two Marines are coming home from Libya.. May God comfort their families.

[olevetonahill]

These animals wouldn't have attacked our embassy had Quadaffi still been in power. And we don't even know who we have helped in Libya....we may have very well helped Al Queda assume power.

But, evidently, you seem comfortable with interventionism.

Did we even have an Embassy there when Daffy was still in power?

[Midtowner]

These animals wouldn't have attacked our embassy had Quadaffi still been in power.

That's not disputable. It's tough to attack what isn't there.


And we don't even know who we have helped in Libya....we may have very well helped Al Queda assume power.

But, evidently, you seem comfortable with interventionism.

Limited international intervention on behalf of the people rebelling against a murderous and oppressive dictator without putting any boots on the ground? Hell yes. Not only do we have a government there now which is no longer even partly interested in manufacturing WMDs, they are anti terror. Let's give 'em a chance to make good on this promise:


Libya's governing party condemned the attack as a "criminal and cowardly act" and vowed to "track down the perpetrators and to maintain the country's security and the safety and security of its guests," Libya's official LANA news agency reported.

And then we'll see. As far as Libya goes, it is a key country because of its vast mineral wealth. There's a lot of opportunity there for American business to help sate Europe's demand for oil.

[okie52]

That's not disputable. It's tough to attack what isn't there.

Oh we were there with Quadaffi.

However, diplomatic relations were not formally severed.[2] Diplomatic relations were not resumed until 2006.
The U.S. Embassy in Tripoli was closed and all diplomatic personnel were evacuated on February 25, 2011, due to the Libyan civil war.[6][7][8][9] The embassy of Hungary in Tripoli acted as the protecting power for U.S. interests from the closure of the embassy until its reopening on September 22, 2011. [10] [11]



Limited international intervention on behalf of the people rebelling against a murderous and oppressive dictator without putting any boots on the ground? Hell yes. Not only do we have a government there now which is no longer even partly interested in manufacturing WMDs, they are anti terror. Let's give 'em a chance to make good on this promise:

How do we know what this government is except now we know that they suck at protecting embassies? So go to war with countries we don't like even though they pose no threat to us? No congressional approval? You're such a hawk Mid.



And then we'll see. As far as Libya goes, it is a key country because of its vast mineral wealth. There's a lot of opportunity there for American business to help sate Europe's demand for oil.

Business should be the only reason we are in Libya.

We don't get that much oil from Libya but it further shows why we need to be energy independent...something that will never be achieved under Obama or Jill Stein.

[pphilfran]

Obama followed Bush's plan to a T in Iraq and we were out of there last year.

Obama campaigned on Afghanistan being the "good war" and then sent a surge of people to fight in it... That really is the opposite of "sending our men and women home" isn't it?


In reality it wasn't Bush's plan...it was the Iraqi plan...and yes Obama followed the Iraqi plan to a T but not without trying to delay the withdrawal...pubs were also in agreement that all we needed to stay longer was for Iraq to ask for the timeline to be changed...Iraq initially thought about an extension but later declined to ask for an extension...Iraq was the one that set the timeline and forced the issue to meet the deadline...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/iraq-withdrawal-2011-delay_n_860188.html

5/11/2011

The Obama administration is evaluating whether to keep troops in Iraq beyond the planned withdrawal date, a decision that would extend an unpopular war that the American public expected to end this year.

The Status of Forces Agreement signed by Iraq and the United States during the Bush administration says all U.S. troops must leave Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011. But the contract also leaves the door open to further negotiations that would delay withdrawal.

Pentagon spokesperson Elizabeth Robbins confirmed to The Huffington Post that U.S. forces could stay beyond 2011 to help the Iraqi Security Forces fill the "gaps" in their operations.

"[W]e are willing to entertain a request for continued assistance, consistent with our commitment to a long-term partnership with Iraq -- but the ball is in the Iraqis' court to ask," she wrote in an email statement.

Consequently, in late April, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen said Iraqi leaders must decide "within weeks" whether they want U.S. troops to stay because the military would soon have to make "irrevocable" logistical decisions.

[FaninAma]

Midtowner, after the last decade of heavy US involvement in the Middle East how can a reasonable person not believe that the region will continue to decay into a morass of sectarian violence without the massive presence of foreign troops stationed in those countries? And even then the violence is still percolating just below the level of a full blown civil war. And just how long do we need to stay there to keep them from annihalating themselves?

The Sunnis and Shiites want to have a day of reckoning. We are just postponing that day and turning their hatred and violence towards us when we intervene to save them from themselves.

[Midtowner]

Business should be the only reason we are in Libya.

We don't get that much oil from Libya but it further shows why we need to be energy independent...something that will never be achieved under Obama or Jill Stein.

Libya is important for Europe and for stability in the price of energy worldwide.

[okie52]

Libya is important for Europe and for stability in the price of energy worldwide.

I could give you that helping the Brits would be the only reason for intervening although I'm not even sure of their oil coming from Libya. The French can go **** themselves just like they told us to do when they denied us their air space when Reagan bombed Libya.

But interventions have got to stop.

[StoopTroup]

As far as Libya is concerned....there are reports that some Libyans took Ambassador Stephens to the Hospital and the Prime Minister has denounced the murders and supposedly will help to make those responsible come to justice.

Also Egyptian Officials have arrested 4 people that trespassed on UN Property.

Although things are forever changed by the murder of an American Ambassador in Libya, our continued fight to bring civility to the uncivilized will continue.

[FaninAma]

Libya is important for Europe and for stability in the price of energy worldwide.


So you supported George Bush's and the Neocons' policy of intervention in the region albeit your support might be temepred in degree of involvement. That about sum it up?

[FaninAma]

As far as Libya is concerned....there are reports that some Libyans took Ambassador Stephens to the Hospital and the Prime Minister has denounced the murders and supposedly will help to make those responsible come to justice.

Also Egyptian Officials have arrested 4 people that trespassed on UN Property.

Although things are forever changed by the murder of an American Ambassador in Libya, our continued fight to bring civility to the uncivilized will continue.

Small measures like this will not stop the decay of the region into its normal state of entropy: sectarian violence.

[StoopTroup]

Sam Bacile wrote and directed and produced the film they got upset about. He's an Israeli-American Real Estate Developer and claims he raised $5 million from about 100 Jewish Donors to do the film.

Word is that the Quoran Burning Peacher was involved with promoting this movie on YouTube and again has gotten a whole bunch of people killed by IMO abusing his use of Free Speech in areas around the World where people are fighting to bring people such freedom of speech.

[StoopTroup]

Small measures like this will not stop the decay of the region into its normal state of entropy: sectarian violence.

Maybe not but starting a War because the Internet upset some people who are currently in a State of Civil War within their Country might not be the best course of action for us.

We have people here in our own Country that have performed murderous acts.

[sappstuf]

As far as Libya is concerned....there are reports that some Libyans took Ambassador Stephens to the Hospital and the Prime Minister has denounced the murders and supposedly will help to make those responsible come to justice.

Also Egyptian Officials have arrested 4 people that trespassed on UN Property.

Although things are forever changed by the murder of an American Ambassador in Libya, our continued fight to bring civility to the uncivilized will continue.

4 people you say...

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/120911054218-cairo-embassy-1-story-top-550x309.jpg

Wow. That is impressive.

[StoopTroup]

4 people you say...

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/120911054218-cairo-embassy-1-story-top-550x309.jpg

Wow. That is impressive.

The picture today is much different there. People have calmed down some. The remarks on the wall are still there but nobody in the Cairo Embassy was murdered.

[StoopTroup]

Nobody in Cairo launched an RPG attack on our Embassy.

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

i like how the topic of the OP got changed into the Libya **** and whatnot. can we now all agree that BHO and his cohorts are just cluless hacks? we can't expect them to dictate effective foriegn policy actions, if they don't even know what our military looks like. i personally find it rather amusing that they are all holding signs saying thank you to the Russian Military...anybody with half a brain could tell ya that the planes flying in the upper right hand corner of the picture are not American a/c... and yet the Libs "support our troops". yeah right. do you even know how to tell the difference between our uniforms and other countries? sheesh. makes me almost throw up in my mouth, but i refrain...i'll save my bile to digest my food, as it's better suited to do that rather than waste it on expressing my thoughts on this picture

[FaninAma]

Sam Bacile wrote and directed and produced the film they got upset about. He's an Israeli-American Real Estate Developer and claims he raised $5 million from about 100 Jewish Donors to do the film.

Word is that the Quoran Burning Peacher was involved with promoting this movie on YouTube and again has gotten a whole bunch of people killed by IMO abusing his use of Free Speech in areas around the World where people are fighting to bring people such freedom of speech.

The "Quoran Burning Preacher" didn't get anybody killed. That's just being an apologist for the insane muslims who did kill them. You are validating their reasons.

[FaninAma]

Maybe not but starting a War because the Internet upset some people who are currently in a State of Civil War within their Country might not be the best course of action for us.

OK. So which of the other civil liberty amendments to the Constitution do you want to suspend so we don't hurt the crazies' feelings?

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

I agree. The party which is wrapping up Bush's needless wars and sending our men and women home is the only party with the military's best interest in mind.

nice spin Mid....anything you can do to avoid addressing the topic, huh?

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

Midtowner, after the last decade of heavy US involvement in the Middle East how can a reasonable person not believe that the region will continue to decay into a morass of sectarian violence without the massive presence of foreign troops stationed in those countries? And even then the violence is still percolating just below the level of a full blown civil war. And just how long do we need to stay there to keep them from annihalating themselves?

The Sunnis and Shiites want to have a day of reckoning. We are just postponing that day and turning their hatred and violence towards us when we intervene to save them from themselves.
this

[KABOOKIE]

I agree. The party which is wrapping up Bush's needless wars and sending our men and women home is the only party with the military's best interest in mind.


Obama followed Bush's plan to a T in Iraq and we were out of there last year.

Obama campaigned on Afghanistan being the "good war" and then sent a surge of people to fight in it... That really is the opposite of "sending our men and women home" isn't it?


http://www.hyscience.com/vindication.jpg

[Midtowner]

i like how the topic of the OP got changed into the Libya **** and whatnot. can we now all agree that BHO and his cohorts are just cluless hacks? we can't expect them to dictate effective foriegn policy actions, if they don't even know what our military looks like. i personally find it rather amusing that they are all holding signs saying thank you to the Russian Military...anybody with half a brain could tell ya that the planes flying in the upper right hand corner of the picture are not American a/c... and yet the Libs "support our troops". yeah right. do you even know how to tell the difference between our uniforms and other countries? sheesh. makes me almost throw up in my mouth, but i refrain...i'll save my bile to digest my food, as it's better suited to do that rather than waste it on expressing my thoughts on this picture

Funny that you'd say that considering your candidate is tripping all over himself by making statements without knowing the facts.

http://seattletimes.com/html/edcetera/index.html?from=stnv2

[sappstuf]

Funny that you'd say that considering your candidate is tripping all over himself by making statements without knowing the facts.

http://seattletimes.com/html/edcetera/index.html?from=stnv2

That must be why the White House disavowed the message from the Egyptian Embassy...


The statement by Embassy Cairo was not cleared by Washington and does not reflect the views of the United States government," a senior administration official told POLITICO.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/09/white-house-disavows-cairo-apology-135247.html

So Romney was wrong to pounce on the message that was so wrong the White House disavowed it later... Gotcha.

Trouble with consistency?

[Midtowner]

Trouble with consistency?

The easy path would be to disavow and apologize. The attempted storming of our Cairo Embassy and Benghazi Embassy changes things. Obviously the President rightly believes that such people do not deserve an apology. Romney, on the other hand tried to pounce on this for political reasons and ended up tripping all over himself. This isn't someone you want to have in control of the nuclear codes. Totally incompetent.

[cleller]

On the last night of the Democratic Convention, they had a big tribute to the military. They had a retired Admiral speak and all. Here is a pic:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d102/sappstuf/russianships.jpg

Patriotic indeed.

One little problem though. Those ships aren't US ships.. That is the Russian Black Sea Fleet.


What's so great about the Russian navy? We have our own navy. Weird people.

[okie52]

The easy path would be to disavow and apologize. The attempted storming of our Cairo Embassy and Benghazi Embassy changes things. Obviously the President rightly believes that such people do not deserve an apology. Romney, on the other hand tried to pounce on this for political reasons and ended up tripping all over himself. This isn't someone you want to have in control of the nuclear codes. Totally incompetent.

LOL...This from the same party that honors the Russian Navy?

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

Funny that you'd say that considering your candidate is tripping all over himself by making statements without knowing the facts.

http://seattletimes.com/html/edcetera/index.html?from=stnv2

careful Mid, i don't want you getting dizzy

[sappstuf]

The easy path would be to disavow and apologize. The attempted storming of our Cairo Embassy and Benghazi Embassy changes things. Obviously the President rightly believes that such people do not deserve an apology. Romney, on the other hand tried to pounce on this for political reasons and ended up tripping all over himself. This isn't someone you want to have in control of the nuclear codes. Totally incompetent.

So Obama agreed with Romney, it just took him longer to do it. You do like to muddle the message, but the facts are usually in there somewhere.

[sappstuf]

LOL...This from the same party that honors the Russian Navy?

What were Mid's words? Ah yes, "Totally incompetent".

[rock on sooner]

Business should be the only reason we are in Libya.

We don't get that much oil from Libya but it further shows why we need to be energy independent...something that will never be achieved under Obama or Jill Stein.

Okie, we get NO oil from Libya. Their exports are to Europe, France and
Italy, I think. As far as I know the only oil interests we have are in the
production.

[pphilfran]

Last year 5.5 million barrels...about one tenth of one percent of imported crude..about 20% of what we imported from them in the past...

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_a.htm

[rock on sooner]

Last year 5.5 million barrels...about one tenth of one percent of imported crude..about 20% of what we imported from them in the past...

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_a.htm

I stand corrected. What I said was based on news reporting that I heard
when we were conducting the air campaign in Libya.

[pphilfran]

I won't hold it against ya...it is basically nuttin...

[cleller]

I won't hold it against ya...it is basically nuttin...

Nuttin if yer Jed Clampett.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Sam Bacile wrote and directed and produced the film they got upset about. He's an Israeli-American Real Estate Developer and claims he raised $5 million from about 100 Jewish Donors to do the film.

Word is that the Quoran Burning Peacher was involved with promoting this movie on YouTube and again has gotten a whole bunch of people killed by IMO abusing his use of Free Speech in areas around the World where people are fighting to bring people such freedom of speech.

Seriously, let's stop this bullsh!t now. A dude in California who made a video that nobody's seen didn't kill anybody. Some lunatics who are looking for a reason to get pissed off and kill people killed 4 innocent people. I can see why you're an Obama supporter though. Maybe you can throw your panties at him the next time he's in town.

[8timechamps]

I keep hearing about how great Obama's foreign policy has been. From where I sit, they've been very reactionary. Can someone (anyone) tell me what exactly the Obama administration has done in regards to foreign policy that's been so great?

[diverdog]

Midtowner, after the last decade of heavy US involvement in the Middle East how can a reasonable person not believe that the region will continue to decay into a morass of sectarian violence without the massive presence of foreign troops stationed in those countries? And even then the violence is still percolating just below the level of a full blown civil war. And just how long do we need to stay there to keep them from annihalating themselves?

The Sunnis and Shiites want to have a day of reckoning. We are just postponing that day and turning their hatred and violence towards us when we intervene to save them from themselves.

I agree with this. The Middle East may not find peace until these warring factions get tired of killing each other.

[KABOOKIE]

White House says, We condemn those who insult Islam."

THAT'S WHAT MITT ROMNEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH.

Now Obama the dolt comes out and says lets not make this political and oh by the way my opponent likes to shoot from the hip on international matters like this.

JHC Obama is stupid.

[diverdog]

On the last night of the Democratic Convention, they had a big tribute to the military. They had a retired Admiral speak and all. Here is a pic:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d102/sappstuf/russianships.jpg

Patriotic indeed.

One little problem though. Those ships aren't US ships.. That is the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/09/navy-russian-warships-displayed-dnc-veterans-tribute-091112/

Apparently the DNC has high res photos of the Russian Navy just laying around, but none of the United States Navy and they have all those people saying thank you to the Russian sailors with their signs. I'm sure they are appreciative over there.

This reminds me of a couple of months ago when Obama was taking a little heat about his support for the military and he said:



First off, it is clear that Obama doesn't have a clue about the military... Do you think a senior active duty officer would give his actual thoughts on this matter? It is a silly proposition and makes it perfectly clear Obama doesn't understand the military.

But more importantly, if you are going to refer people to someone that is going to support how much you deeply care about the military folks, it is a good idea to get that person rank right. It is Admiral McRaven, Mr. President... He is your top Special Operations Commander who has spent 35 years in the United States Navy. If you can't get his rank, how much do you "deeply care"?

Clueless.


pffft Russians smushians....everyone knows navy boats are full of semen......errrr seamen.....:)

[cleller]

I keep hearing about how great Obama's foreign policy has been. From where I sit, they've been very reactionary. Can someone (anyone) tell me what exactly the Obama administration has done in regards to foreign policy that's been so great?

I read something on here that Obama toppled the old regime singlehandedly, without any American casualties.

[StoopTroup]

I don't think President Bush had a very good Foreign Policy after declaring he would track our enemies to the ends of the earth and I don't think President Obama's has been much better but when you are the leader of the World's Super Power and you are at War with at least one or more Countries who are mostly Muslim and you are being courted by Benjamin Netanyahu to lead an assault on Iran to get them to stop their nuclear program.....on top of that....to kill your Number one Most Wanted....you sent your most elite Military Forces into a Foreign Country without asking permission of the current leadership....

I'm not sure your Foreign policy is going to be viewed as Top Notch....

I am however still behind President Bush's decision to put our troops in Afghanistan as well as President Obama's to stay right now. Iran needs to know that we might use Afghanistan as a base of operations should they continue to build a bomb.

[StoopTroup]

So Obama agreed with Romney, it just took him longer to do it. You do like to muddle the message, but the facts are usually in there somewhere.

They didn't agree at all.

[soonercruiser]

How's Libya looking?

Hey Hillary and Barack!
How that Arab Spring thing going???
You wanted it! You got credit for it!

[StoopTroup]

Hey Hillary and Barack!
How that Arab Spring thing going???
You wanted it! You got credit for it!

You aren't riding a buffalo and racking an AR-15 are you?

[soonercruiser]

OK. So which of the other civil liberty amendments to the Constitution do you want to suspend so we don't hurt the crazies' feelings?

How about we suspend the Presidents pledge to protect the Constitution and enforce the Laws of the Land?
Oh, wait! Obama already did that by himself!

[StoopTroup]

YEEHAW ! ! !

http://www.civicforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61762&stc=1&d=1130826075

[soonercruiser]

The easy path would be to disavow and apologize. The attempted storming of our Cairo Embassy and Benghazi Embassy changes things. Obviously the President rightly believes that such people do not deserve an apology. Romney, on the other hand tried to pounce on this for political reasons and ended up tripping all over himself. This isn't someone you want to have in control of the nuclear codes. Totally incompetent.

NO!
The President was busy with two fund raisers! He didn't have time or urgency to respond.He didn't cancel AYTHING!

Any other President would have been on TV within hours.

[soonercruiser]

pffft Russians smushians....everyone knows navy boats are full of semen......errrr seamen.....:)

:cheerful:
Pun of the day!

[soonercruiser]

However, it is interesting that Obama has spent more time attacking Romney on recent happenings....versus attacking Ismalic terrorists!
:moody:

[8timechamps]

I don't think President Bush had a very good Foreign Policy after declaring he would track our enemies to the ends of the earth and I don't think President Obama's has been much better but when you are the leader of the World's Super Power and you are at War with at least one or more Countries who are mostly Muslim and you are being courted by Benjamin Netanyahu to lead an assault on Iran to get them to stop their nuclear program.....on top of that....to kill your Number one Most Wanted....you sent your most elite Military Forces into a Foreign Country without asking permission of the current leadership....

I'm not sure your Foreign policy is going to be viewed as Top Notch....

I am however still behind President Bush's decision to put our troops in Afghanistan as well as President Obama's to stay right now. Iran needs to know that we might use Afghanistan as a base of operations should they continue to build a bomb.

I'm not high on W's foreign policy, but that's history. I just want to know what's so great about Obama's foreign policy. CNN keeps telling me he's had a great one.

[Curly Bill]

I'm not high on W's foreign policy, but that's history. I just want to know what's so great about Obama's foreign policy. CNN keeps telling me he's had a great one.

CNN tells you he's had a great one because that's what he tells them.

[8timechamps]

CNN tells you he's had a great one because that's what he tells them.

Yeah, I know. What gets me is that people believe that ****.

[LiveLaughLove]

It has been highly enlightening to watch Obama and the media attack Romney unceasingly while almost ignoring the actual instigators of the violence and murder.

Priorities, they are a mother.

[Curly Bill]

Yeah, I know. What gets me is that people believe that ****.

People are stupid!

[cleller]

He's definitely done a good job of lessening other countries' fear of us.

[sappstuf]

They didn't agree at all.

Sure they did. Romney attacked the message from the Egyptian embassy and the Obama administration later disavowed the message.


“In an effort to cool the situation down, it didn’t come from me, it didn’t come from Secretary Clinton. It came from people on the ground who are potentially in danger,” Obama said. “And my tendency is to cut folks a little bit of slack when they’re in that circumstance, rather than try to question their judgment from the comfort of a campaign office.”

But Obama’s remarks belie the enormous frustration of top officials at the State Department and White House with the actions of the man behind the statement, Cairo senior public affairs officer Larry Schwartz, who wrote the release and oversees the embassy’s Twitter feed, according to a detailed account of the Tuesday’s events…

“The statement was not cleared with anyone in Washington. It was sent as ‘This is what we are putting out,’” the official said. “We replied and said this was not a good statement and that it needed major revisions. The next email we received from Embassy Cairo was ‘We just put this out.’”…

“People at the highest levels both at the State Department and at the White House were not happy with the way the statement went down. There was a lot of anger both about the process and the content,” the official said. “Frankly, people here did not understand it. The statement was just tone deaf. It didn’t provide adequate balance. We thought the references were inappropriate, and we strongly advised against the kind of language that talked about ‘continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims.’”

Obama is in his usual "Not my fault" mode...

[Lott's Bandana]

I can pretty much guarantee you that Mr Lincoln didn't display photos of CSS Virginia at his convention.

[StoopTroup]

It has been highly enlightening to watch Obama and the media attack Romney unceasingly while almost ignoring the actual instigators of the violence and murder.

Priorities, they are a mother.

I think it's obvious you don't like the current POTUS but just as someone who would much rather see Paul Ryan running in Romney's place....

A bunch of folks running around spouting Righteous Indignation isn't going to land Romney in the White House.

Now....it is possible that the current POTUS makes such a mistake between now and 11-6-2012 that it becomes clear we have little choice but elect Romney but I just don't think ramming it up Obama's *** every second of every moment between now and then is going to get Romney elected.

[LiveLaughLove]

I think it's obvious you don't like the current POTUS but just as someone who would much rather see Paul Ryan running in Romney's place....

A bunch of folks running around spouting Righteous Indignation isn't going to land Romney in the White House.

Now....it is possible that the current POTUS makes such a mistake between now and 11-6-2012 that it becomes clear we have little choice but elect Romney but I just don't think ramming it up Obama's *** every second of every moment between now and then is going to get Romney elected.

What I think is someone in the administration was negligent and it cost 4 people their lives.

I think either the state department or the WH itself should have, could have stopped this from occurring. I think blaming a film that 20 people have seen and saying that the attacks/demonstrations were unforeseeable can't stand up to the scrutiny of day. I also think the media is so in the tank for Obama that they will not give it that scrutiny.

Instead, the media want to castigate Romney for speaking up, too quickly, too forcefully, too harshly, too whatever. The story now is Romney's reaction, not the WHs inaction.

The story is Romney should have kept his mouth shut, not that Obama and Hillary shouldn't be apologizing yet again for some mythical slight to Muslim sensibilities.

Any fool can see this was a planned attack. It occurred on the anniversary of 9/11. It used the cover of the mob to carry it out. Jay Carney get's up there and simply blames the film...that nobody saw. That's leadership. That's Obama.

[StoopTroup]

What I think is someone in the administration was negligent and it cost 4 people their lives.



I couldn't disagree more.

Posting crap like what's on that Mohammed YouTube video is 100Xs worse than what anyone who was scared for their lives in the Cairo Embassy said. Should these Muslims kill Americans? No. It's reprehensible. However....it's not our Country. It's theirs and Mubarek and the US had a long standing agreement to keep people in our Embassy safe. It was nearly not the case when the Cairo Embassy made the statement. I'm sure they felt a statement like that might give them some time or even keep violence from escalating. If it was a bad statement...I'll bet they would do it again as they are alive and the Ambassador in Libya is dead.

Also Libya is in Civil War. The Ambassador knew things were bad as he went to what he deemed a safe place. When you were a guy like Ambassador Stephens and you feel you know the streets there as well as he obviously did....he felt going to the Consulate was a better place obviously. And...obviously he was wrong about that.


“The embassy in Cairo put out a statement after their grounds had been breached,” Romney said. “Protesters were inside the grounds. They reiterated that statement after the breach.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/the_politics_of_the_attacks_on_the_us_consulate_in _benghazi_and_cair/

Honesty you are splitting some really fine hairs.

[soonercruiser]

Sounds like it was Stoop who was talking for the POTUS at the press conference today.
Same answer.
Blame Romney! Blame the video!
SUUUUUrely can't be the Messiah's foreign policy and complete ME policy folly are at fault!
:barbershop_quartet_

[sappstuf]

The airplanes in the picture are from the "Turkish Stars", the equivalent of the Blue Angels. The Dems love the military... Just not the US military.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/17/fighter-jets-in-democratic-conventions-military-montage-were-turkish-not-american/

[okie52]

The airplanes in the picture are from the "Turkish Stars", the equivalent of the Blue Angels. The Dems love the military... Just not the US military.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/17/fighter-jets-in-democratic-conventions-military-montage-were-turkish-not-american/

The Russian navy and now the Turkish air force. Pics of the US military must be hard to come by.

[sappstuf]

The Russian navy and now the Turkish air force. Pics of the US military must be hard to come by.

Very difficult. Unless you go to navy.mil and click on "photo gallery".... But who has time for that?

[diverdog]

Very difficult. Unless you go to navy.mil and click on "photo gallery".... But who has time for that?

Yep found a picture on your website. Seems we have not spent much money on upgrading our ships. The Ruskies are one up on us.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/USS_Constitution_underway%2C_August_19%2C_2012_by_ Castle_Island_cropped.jpg/637px-USS_Constitution_underway%2C_August_19%2C_2012_by_ Castle_Island_cropped.jpg


LOL

[okie52]

Very difficult. Unless you go to navy.mil and click on "photo gallery".... But who has time for that?

Details, details....

[okie52]

Yep found a picture on your website. Seems we have not spent much money on upgrading our ships. The Ruskies are one up on us.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/USS_Constitution_underway%2C_August_19%2C_2012_by_ Castle_Island_cropped.jpg/637px-USS_Constitution_underway%2C_August_19%2C_2012_by_ Castle_Island_cropped.jpg


LOL

Is that old Ironsides?

[sappstuf]

Yep found a picture on your website. Seems we have not spent much money on upgrading our ships. The Ruskies are one up on us.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/USS_Constitution_underway%2C_August_19%2C_2012_by_ Castle_Island_cropped.jpg/637px-USS_Constitution_underway%2C_August_19%2C_2012_by_ Castle_Island_cropped.jpg


LOL

I'm not sure you were aware of this DD, but making any jokes about the USS Constitution is grounds for immediate loss of citizenship. It is an old rule made after George Washington named her.

Better start hiking north...

:)

[diverdog]

I'm not sure you were aware of this DD, but making any jokes about the USS Constitution is grounds for immediate loss of citizenship. It is an old rule made after George Washington named her.

Better start hiking north...

:)

I actually toured her was I was in HS. That was the real Navy. :friendly_wink: arrrrrrr

[olevetonahill]

I'm not sure you were aware of this DD, but making any jokes about the USS Constitution is grounds for immediate loss of citizenship. It is an old rule made after George Washington named her.

Better start hiking north...

:)

If he goes south, jaun can help him