Obama 2016, The Movie

[FaninAma]

I saw this documentary over the weekend and thought that the opinions were well supported. The documentary really doesn't put Obama in a bad light. It explores his background and upbringing and tries to tie it in with the decisions he has made as President.

The documentary does not question whether he was born in the US, in fact it essentially concludes he was. It does not try to paint him as a far, far left wing radical.

The basic conclusion the film draws is that Obama was influenced heavily by anti-colonialists during his education and by his family....paticularly his mother and maternal grandfather.

The cinematography was good and overall it was an entertaining film.

I do not agree with the primary thesis and conclusion to the film because Obama has not rejected the strongest component of the colonialist power structure which is the control of world economies by the central banks and multi-national financial institutions. In fact, if anything, he has helped them become stronger and able to weild even more influence over national economies....especially those of the 3rd world. I would further argue that his policies have made the US less able to act in its own economic interests thereby increasing the central banks' power over our lives.

So essentially, Obama has not seriously challanged the colonialists' powerbase which is their economic power. In fact he has made it more difficult for us to challenge them in the future.

The other interesting concept the film proposes was that a lot of whites in this country were very anxious to vote for a black man who came off as non-threatening , "pleasant" and less strident than the better known civil rights leaders like Jesse Jackon and Al Sharpton so they they could show they were not racists.And Obama realized this early.....a fact that he alludes to in his autobiography.

And apologies in advance if there was another thread on this subject. I looked and didn't see one.

[virginiasooner]

Dinesh d'Souza is full of it. Real documentaries don't do "re-enactments". They also don't do "footnotes" to the book. I think the movie is more about d'Souza's own beliefs than those of President Obama. D'Souza's projection is pathological. He is constantly out there trying to promote his conservative "intellectual" credentials.

[FaninAma]

Dinesh d'Souza is full of it. Real documentaries don't do "re-enactments". They also don't do "footnotes" to the book. I think the movie is more about d'Souza's own beliefs than those of President Obama. D'Souza's projection is pathological. He is constantly out there trying to promote his conservative "intellectual" credentials.

I disagree. D'Souza readily admits that these are his opinions and then attempts to support those opinions. I assume you disagree with the conclusions he draws in his interview of Obama's half brother and outlining the differences in their philosophies as well as the quotes that d'Souza used from Obama's autobiography. I also assume you disagree with his assertion that one's personal associations can give any insight to that peerson's values and attitudes.

I thought he provided reasonable, supportive information.... I simply disagree with his conclusions.

Perhaps providing an example of d'Souza's "pathological projection" would be helpful to the discussion.

The bottom line is that Obama's actions indicate to me that he is as much of a lackey for the big banks and the current globalist power structure as George W. Bush was....probably even more so. Obama is not an anti-colonialist at all. He is just another leftist, socialist engineer who feels the nationalist cultural and economic principles of this country are outdated and need to be changed.

BTW, can you comment on the interview with the researcher who had written the book about the communist party member that mentored Obama in Hawaii? Who introduced Obama to that person?

[badger]

If you check out the NY Times bestseller list, there's a LOT of anti-Obama books on it right about now. For authors looking to make a quick buck, it's an ideal topic to write about.

Will filmmakers go the same route? Considering the tanking economy and the fact that Hollywood needs money makers to make up for flop films (it happens to every studio, from Disney's John Carter to Warner Bros' Green Lantern), this might be the go-to topic... even if media writers in general (who usually are the ones that write about presidents) and Hollywood aren't exactly anti-Obama.

[diverdog]

Dinesh d'Souza is full of it. Real documentaries don't do "re-enactments". They also don't do "footnotes" to the book. I think the movie is more about d'Souza's own beliefs than those of President Obama. D'Souza's projection is pathological. He is constantly out there trying to promote his conservative "intellectual" credentials.

D'Souza was on Bill Maher's show and he could not support his thesis about Obama and his supposed anti colonalist views. I did fell like Maher ambushed him.

[virginiasooner]

BTW, can you comment on the interview with the researcher who had written the book about the communist party member that mentored Obama in Hawaii? Who introduced Obama to that person?

Why do you care who "mentored" President Obama when he was in high school?

[cleller]

Why do you care who "mentored" President Obama when he was in high school?

I know you directed this question at someone else, but I've also been bothered by the fact that Obama was "mentored" by Frank Marshall Davis, a communist party member, yet its not really common knowledge. He was surely more influential on Obama than say, his dad.

I know I learned much from, and turned out to be much like the man that trained my in my career.

[hawaii 5-0]

"mentored" ?

Is that some kinda code meaning "bought coke from" ?


5-0

[FaninAma]

Why do you care who "mentored" President Obama when he was in high school?

It wasn't just high school. So are you saying that you family background has no bearing on your political and cultural development.

And again, what is your opinion about the person who the film claims introduced Obama to Frank Marshall Davis? I think that fact is very insightful.

[virginiasooner]

So are you saying that you family background has no bearing on your political and cultural development.

Fair enough, but please explain why both of my siblings are Rushbots, and our mutual mother (and father) are not.

[FaninAma]

Fair enough, but please explain why both of my siblings are Rushbots, and our mutual mother (and father) are not.

You sure tossed out a hanging curve there but I won't take the low road.

I can't answer you without knowing more about your background including highschool, college and after college life experiences.

I would concede your point on Obama if it can be shown that he associated with any conservatives or moderates in a way that might have had some influence on his political tilt.

Again, d' Souza uses several quotes to support his assertions from Obama's own autobiography.

BTW, still awaiting answers to a couple of previous questions in the thread:

1.Specific examples of "pathological projection"?

2.Your opinion about the person that introduced Obama to Frank Marshal Davis and what might be inferred from that action?

[LiveLaughLove]

You sure tossed out a hanging curve there but I won't take the low road.

I can't answer you without knowing more about your background including highschool, college and rE after college life experiences.

I would concede your point on Obama if it can be shown that he associated with any conservatives or moderates in a way that might have had some influence on his political tilt.

Again, d' Souza uses several quotes to support his assertions from Obama's own autobiography.

BTW, still awaiting answers to a couple of previous questions in the thread:

1.Specific examples of "pathological projection"?

2.Your opinion about the person that introduced Obama to Frank Marshal Davis and what might be inferred from that action?

You're going to be waiting a long time for anything resembling an actual answer to either of those.

Id like to see what this group thought of Michael Moores films.

Frank Marshall Davis was mentored specifically at the behest of his mother. Davis is the same guy that took those x-ray rated photos of dear leaders mom, including some of bondage with another woman.

Why in the world would this woman want her son around this avowed communist and porn peddler?

[diverdog]

You're going to be waiting a long time for anything resembling an actual answer to either of those.

Id like to see what this group thought of Michael Moores films.

Frank Marshall Davis was mentored specifically at the behest of his mother. Davis is the same guy that took those x-ray rated photos of dear leaders mom, including some of bondage with another woman.

Why in the world would this woman want her son around this avowed communist and porn peddler?

Davis wrote graphic porn....so he had that going for himself as well.

I think Obamas mom was a flower child.

[cleller]

You're going to be waiting a long time for anything resembling an actual answer to either of those.

Id like to see what this group thought of Michael Moores films.

Frank Marshall Davis was mentored specifically at the behest of his mother. Davis is the same guy that took those x-ray rated photos of dear leaders mom, including some of bondage with another woman.

Why in the world would this woman want her son around this avowed communist and porn peddler?

He also wrote some pretty awful bisexual porn poetry. No one to emulate.

[LiveLaughLove]

Davis wrote graphic porn....so he had that going for himself as well.

I think Obamas mom was a flower child.
I think she was nuckin' futz.

[Soonerjeepman]

Why do you care who "mentored" President Obama when he was in high school?

assuming you are taking the stance that these "mentors" have no influence...?...if so:

check out the DNC, there is a girl who was INFLUENCED by her HS teacher, who was a huge dem, but never said it outright..she is now in college and going to the DNC, she now mentors HS kids....kids pick stuff up. I still have kids I taught for 1 yr in 5th grade come back and tell me they remember this/this about my class 10 yrs later.

Haven't done much research on this guy but if he does what is listed that is scary.

[jkjsooner]

Id like to see what this group thought of Michael Moores films.

I think Moore's films are horrible. Even if I agree with a few of his messages, they are only slightly closer to documentaries than a pure work of fiction. They're not very intelligently done nor are they honest.

If I want to watch a good documentary I'll watch something like Frontline.

[FaninAma]

I think she was nuckin' futz.

She was out there. If virginiasooner had actually watched the film he would have known it was his maternal grandfather who introduced him to Davis. It seems that
his mother's side of the family was a little left of center......to say the least.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Dinesh d'Souza is full of it. Real documentaries don't do "re-enactments". They also don't do "footnotes" to the book. I think the movie is more about d'Souza's own beliefs than those of President Obama. D'Souza's projection is pathological. He is constantly out there trying to promote his conservative "intellectual" credentials.

And fat boy blowhard Michael Moore doesn't do the same thing? Dinesh is mroe credible than the fat one.

Just check out Saul Alinsky, Bill Ayers and Abner Mikva if you don't think mentors are meaningful.

[diverdog]

She was out there. If virginiasooner had actually watched the film he would have known it was his maternal grandfather who introduced him to Davis. It seems that
his mother's side of the family was a little left of center......to say the least.

Honestly...so what. People make their own path and to say Obama was heavily influenced in his life by Davis or his maternal grandmother is a stretch. Lots of things influence us. Being in war torn countries influenced me more about life than any relative.

[FaninAma]

Honestly...so what. People make their own path and to say Obama was heavily influenced in his life by Davis or his maternal grandmother is a stretch. Lots of things influence us. Being in war torn countries influenced me more about life than any relative.

That is nonsense. You just completely ignored over a century of human behavior research that shows the impact of life experiences and family environment dramatically impacts a person's attitudes and outlook on life. in fact, your experiences in war torn countries was filtered by the prism of your previous life experiences and family upbringing.

Earlier experiences shape the way we react to later experiences. To claim that your experiences in war torn countries shaped your views in a vaccum is not a reasonable conclusion.

[LiveLaughLove]

That is nonsense. You just completely ignored over a century of human behavior research that shows the impact of life experiences and family environment dramatically impacts a person's attitudes and outlook on life. in fact, your experiences in war torn countries was filtered by the prism of your previous life experiencDRes and family upbringing.

Earlier experiences shape the way we react to later experiences. To claim that your experiences in war torn countries shaped your views in a vaccum is not a reasonable conclusion.

Hey now, science is our friend when it shows what we want. When it doesn't, meh.

Its as ludicrous to think Davis didn't influence him, a it is to think he meant roads and bridges. LOL.

Man, that still cracks me up.

[FaninAma]

Hey now, science is our friend when it shows what we want. When it doesn't, meh.

Its as ludicrous to think Davis didn't influence him, a it is to think he meant roads and bridges. LOL.

Man, that still cracks me up.

Hey, I would be very interested to review any research that states life experiences and family mores and attitudes have little or no impact on an individual's principles and value system development.

[LiveLaughLove]

Hey, I would be very interested to review any research that states life experiences and family mores and attitudes have little or no impact on an individual's principles and value system development.
I would too, but we both know it doesn't exist.