View Full Version : Will The Federal Debt Help Save The Lives Of Military Personnel
FaninAma
9/1/2012, 01:01 PM
Please read this blog and opinion piece before commenting.
http://www.earlywarningreport.com/warkilldollar.html
Primarily this is an opinion piece about the destructive effect of power and how the desire to weild it corrupts those who seek it but it secondarily illistratres how our military policy has morphed into our current use of the military to pre-emptively attack potential enemies without specific goals.
However, our current budgetary problems may force us to change this policy. If we are forced to reduce military spending due to budgetary constraints will this lead to fewer overseas interventions designed to overthrow foreign governments for the simple reason that we think they are up to no good?
Also, what happened to the Schartzkopf doctrine of having a well-defined execution and exit plan before deciding to invade a country? Thousands of lives lost and and it is a 100% certainty that Afghanistan will return to the way it was before we invaded and at least a 75% chance that Iraq will eventually return to leadership that is hostile to the US. Consider the following points.
Billions and billions spent in the Middle East and we still don't know if the new regime in Egypt will be hostile to the US or if there is regime change in Syria if the new leaders will be any friendlier to the US than Assad was.
Who really won the US-USSR showdown. After the Cold War was supposedly decided the USSR downscaled its military operations and interventions and seem to be doing okay. Meanwhile, the US continues to spend itself into oblivion by trying to maintain its role of the world's policeman.
On a side note, I am in total agreement with the bloggist's comments on Abraham Lincoln.
And yes, the author needs to learn the appropriate use of sentences and paragraphs.
hawaii 5-0
9/1/2012, 01:19 PM
That part of the Pledge of Allegience 'Indivisible" is directly the result of Lincoln.
Lincoln firmly believed the Union could not be divided. At one point he said he would even allow slavery if the South would come back.
I'm all for exit plans. I'm also all for scaling back the military. I see way too much spending on stuff that's not necessary for the defence of our borders.
I missed the edict that made us the World Policeman.
5-0
Defense of our borders...now that's hilarious.
soonercruiser
9/1/2012, 06:41 PM
Fain!
So, I'm guessin' you are OK with Obama and Hillary's hands-off outlook on the Arab Spring?
How well has that worked out?
As good as "Hope & Change"?
Let's talk some more..........maybe talk to the Muslim Brotherhood. Even invite them to the WH!
After all, they're just brothers in the "hood" aren't they?
It's a damn shame. But most of the world is corrupt (China and Rusia), or too enept (like the French) to help any nation in time of need.
What a great job the UN has done, huh?
What have the great socialist nations like Sweeden and Switzerland done?
These are the typical posts by "anti-colonialists" like Obama who believe that America is like Britian and Spain of the 1800's.
The United States fights for freedom and peace of others around the globe!
We do not project our power overseas to enslave others, like Obama and the Dems wat to enslave America.
Our nation ahas been blessed by GOD to be one of the greatest nation ever on the face of the Earth!
It's a real shame that some cannot see and admit this! But, we are the Light of the free world!
:cower:
diverdog
9/1/2012, 07:42 PM
Fain!
So, I'm guessin' you are OK with Obama and Hillary's hands-off outlook on the Arab Spring?
How well has that worked out?
As good as "Hope & Change"?
Let's talk some more..........maybe talk to the Muslim Brotherhood. Even invite them to the WH!
After all, they're just brothers in the "hood" aren't they?
It's a damn shame. But most of the world is corrupt (China and Rusia), or too enept (like the French) to help any nation in time of need.
What a great job the UN has done, huh?
What have the great socialist nations like Sweeden and Switzerland done?
These are the typical posts by "anti-colonialists" like Obama who believe that America is like Britian and Spain of the 1800's.
The United States fights for freedom and peace of others around the globe!
We do not project our power overseas to enslave others, like Obama and the Dems wat to enslave America.
Our nation ahas been blessed by GOD to be one of the greatest nation ever on the face of the Earth!
It's a real shame that some cannot see and admit this! But, we are the Light of the free world!
:cower:
Oh brother. Rolls eyes.
Spoken like a true neo-con
diverdog
9/1/2012, 09:18 PM
Spoken like a true neo-con
Exactly!
soonercruiser
9/2/2012, 01:09 PM
Exactly!
Yup! Posted replys like LW nut jobs!
diverdog
9/2/2012, 02:55 PM
Yup! Posted replys like LW nut jobs!
How far are you willing to have your taxes raised to support all these wars? I bet not much.
SouthCarolinaSooner
9/2/2012, 04:07 PM
It's a damn shame. But most of the world is corrupt (China and Rusia), or too enept (like the French) to help any nation in time of need.
What a great job the UN has done, huh?
What have the great socialist nations like Sweeden and Switzerland done?
These are the typical posts by "anti-colonialists" like Obama who believe that America is like Britian and Spain of the 1800's.
The United States fights for freedom and peace of others around the globe!
We do not project our power overseas to enslave others, like Obama and the Dems wat to enslave America.
Our nation ahas been blessed by GOD to be one of the greatest nation ever on the face of the Earth!
It's a real shame that some cannot see and admit this! But, we are the Light of the free world!
:cower:
Oh please, we've been empire building since the minute we were born, like almost all large nations. Don't kid yourself that we don't use democracy as a pretext to intervene wherever it floats our boat. We've been doing it for over 100 years, its just as American as apple pie. This city on a hill manifest destiny nationalism horse **** pisses me off. Its fine to be patriotic and love your country, but when you get into the WE ARE SUPERIOR mindset you're delusional. What are we first in the world in? Incarceration rate, military spending...sounds like the hallmarks of a beacon of freedom!
Yup! Posted replys like LW nut jobs!
is Ron Paul a LW nut job?
is Ron Paul a LW nut job?
Would you vote for RP?
he would likely do a better job than the other two options
I think the federal debt will end a lot of government waste. The thing is... does anyone consider defense a government waste?
I see fewer expensive toys manufactured for the military, but just as many personnel.
SoonerProphet
9/3/2012, 04:04 PM
Don't know if I agree with his premis regarding Chaostan. There are plenty of rational institutions in place and many legal systems in place that didn't arise from noting. The major factors this Chaostan sees so much strife and conflict is because this is where the bulk of humanity lives. It is also the most diverse, on every level. Second premise I don't buy is his analysis of the Westphalian System. It came out of the 30 Years War and gunpowder was the least of Europe's concerns in the wake of that conflict. Westphalia was dead after the unification of Germany and has hence been replaced by "liberal internationalism" and the like.
Think the hits the nail of the head in his analysis of the cost of war the the current drive to see force as the ultimate too in regards to international relations.
rock on sooner
9/3/2012, 09:10 PM
he would likely do a better job than the other two options
Well, what he said he wants to do is bring ALL our troups home,
all of 'em, with no plan as to what to do with them when they get here.
As well as, not interfere with the rest of the world, all of which is an
interdependent, interactive group. Just go about our internal business,
let the rest of the world implode or explode, not engage any of the
rest of the world...just one thought..what about our winter when there
are no fresh veggies, cause we ignore South America?
He has one or two good ideas, none of which will work...JMO
TheHumanAlphabet
9/3/2012, 09:30 PM
Could be the answer is yes, however they will all likely be RIFed when they get home and will be on unemployment as the lack of economy will not be able to absorb the RIFed service members.
Well, what he said he wants to do is bring ALL our troups home,
all of 'em, with no plan as to what to do with them when they get here.
As well as, not interfere with the rest of the world, all of which is an
interdependent, interactive group. Just go about our internal business,
let the rest of the world implode or explode, not engage any of the
rest of the world...just one thought..what about our winter when there
are no fresh veggies, cause we ignore South America?
He has one or two good ideas, none of which will work...JMO
maybe they can pick lettuce, or do the skilled jobs that we can't seem to hire for
even paying them to twiddle their thumbs at home is cheaper than having them in Afghanistan or Iraq
i'm sure the President doesn't have the authority to do everything Ron Paul wants to do anyway. he still has to deal with congress. i don't agree with him 100%, but i at least trust him more than the other two
FaninAma
9/4/2012, 01:30 PM
Could be the answer is yes, however they will all likely be RIFed when they get home and will be on unemployment as the lack of economy will not be able to absorb the RIFed service members.
I actually think this is the biggest reason that Obama hasn't scaled back our interventions even more than he has......it would hurt the unemployment situation even more. The fact that the economy is in the tank ans unemployment is high has actually helped the military survive Obama's first term. When he doesn't have to worry about re-election I think you will see Obama's true views regarding the military.
I actually think the military overseas operations should be scaled back or at least we should demand that other countries foot a lot of the cost of defending their countries for them. If we are going to act like mercenaries we might as well get paid for it.
FaninAma
9/4/2012, 01:34 PM
maybe they can pick lettuce, or do the skilled jobs that we can't seem to hire for
even paying them to twiddle their thumbs at home is cheaper than having them in Afghanistan or Iraq
i'm sure the President doesn't have the authority to do everything Ron Paul wants to do anyway. he still has to deal with congress. i don't agree with him 100%, but i at least trust him more than the other two
I'd put a few regiments on the border with Mexico.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.1 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.