What is the worst case scenario if Obama, or conversely, if Romney is elected?

[BigTip]

I am extremely passionate about this election. More so than any in the past. It seems like my left leaning Sooner brethren are also passionate. I want to know why.

Worst case scenario, in my opinion, if Obama is elected:
We accelerate our slide into a socialist society. The redistribution of wealth becomes so severe that those that produce will be motivated to not produce. The economy and the country will grind to a halt. Great Depression type life styles would be endured by all. Possible curtailments of personal freedoms as all socialist societies have had to do in the past.

Worst case scenario if Romney is elected:
I am assuming that the worst case scenario envisioned by the Obama supporters is that the haves will refuse to give to the have-nots. The poor will starve as the rich get richer.

Very simplified in both scenarios, but is this close?

I am giving the Republicans a pass on abortion and gay marriage, even though I support the Democratic platform for both of those issues.
I am ignoring these and other social issues of both parties because they are not as important to me as me being able to house and feed myself and my family in the future.

[okie52]

I'm pretty much there with you as far as prioritizing issues. I could live with the dems stances on gay marriage and abortion but I could also live with the pubs.

Energy and immigration are my two primary issues and I know Obama is a disaster in those two areas as he has already proven in his first 4 years.

Romney at least is saying the right things on these 2 issues...even if he doesn't deliver I can't envision him being worse than Obama.

[Skysooner]

I am extremely passionate about this election. More so than any in the past. It seems like my left leaning Sooner brethren are also passionate. I want to know why.

Worst case scenario, in my opinion, if Obama is elected:
We accelerate our slide into a socialist society. The redistribution of wealth becomes so severe that those that produce will be motivated to not produce. The economy and the country will grind to a halt. Great Depression type life styles would be endured by all. Possible curtailments of personal freedoms as all socialist societies have had to do in the past.

Worst case scenario if Romney is elected:
I am assuming that the worst case scenario envisioned by the Obama supporters is that the haves will refuse to give to the have-nots. The poor will starve as the rich get richer.

Very simplified in both scenarios, but is this close?

I am giving the Republicans a pass on abortion and gay marriage, even though I support the Democratic platform for both of those issues.
I am ignoring these and other social issues of both parties because they are not as important to me as me being able to house and feed myself and my family in the future.

Worst case scenario? None of the above. We are no more socialist now than we were 4 years ago and much less than we were in the 1930s. It doesn't matter if Obama is reelected as we will have a majority R House of Representatives. Basically it will be a stalemate. If Romney is elected, he will likely move center right as he will want to be reelected. I have a feeling Romney would be a good President overall if he doesn't go too far right. Even if the Senate goes R, there will be enough Ds to block bad legislation.

[BigTip]

We are no more socialist now than we were 4 years ago and much less than we were in the 1930s.

I am sorry, but you are totally wrong. One word will refute that from your "4 years ago" comment: Obamacare. And much less than the 1930's? You mean Pre Social Security, Pre Medicare? Those 1930s? Those were HUGE moves towards socialism.

But besides that, I take it by your post that you think it won't matter one way or the other because of the congressional gridlock. Very probable.
But assume, for the sake of the question, that each winning candidate can implement all the things that they are campaigning on.
Obama has already enacted his vision of immigration reform without congressional agreement, so no telling what he is capable of on his own.

[olevetonahill]

IMHO we are headed to hell. I personally think we will get there faster under Obammy than Romney but get there we will

http://rlv.zcache.com/to_hell_in_a_handbasket_mousepad-p144376458873523008envq7_400.jpg

[Skysooner]

I am sorry, but you are totally wrong. One word will refute that from your "4 years ago" comment: Obamacare. And much less than the 1930's? You mean Pre Social Security, Pre Medicare? Those 1930s? Those were HUGE moves towards socialism.

But besides that, I take it by your post that you think it won't matter one way or the other because of the congressional gridlock. Very probable.
But assume, for the sake of the question, that each winning candidate can implement all the things that they are campaigning on.
Obama has already enacted his vision of immigration reform without congressional agreement, so no telling what he is capable of on his own.

Obamacare wasn't a government takeover of health care. It sets up public exchanges. Now a single-payer option would have been a move towards socialism. I was talking about the government sponsored programs like the CCC, etc. Social security was founded in 1935.

If Obama oversteps, he can always be taken to the Surpreme Court. Bush invaded Iraq with no Congressional authority. That isn't overstepping?

[olevetonahill]

Obamacare wasn't a government takeover of health care. It sets up public exchanges. Now a single-payer option would have been a move towards socialism. I was talking about the government sponsored programs like the CCC, etc. Social security was founded in 1935.

If Obama oversteps, he can always be taken to the Surpreme Court. Bush invaded Iraq with no Congressional authority. That isn't overstepping?

Sorry but you are wrong on that one my friend
Both house voted to invade em, Granted at THAT time every one was convinced that Saddam had WMDs . But the vote was made non the less

Senate approves Iraq war resolution
Senate approves Iraq war resolution

[Skysooner]

Sorry but you are wrong on that one my friend
Both house voted to invade em, Granted at THAT time every one was convinced that Saddam had WMDs . But the vote was made non the less

Senate approves Iraq war resolution
Senate approves Iraq war resolution

Maybe I was thinking about the WMD. Admittedly I wasn't sure about that one. I should have researched it, but I have my kids in here asking me questions. Regardless my answer is that I think Romney would be better at this point as long as he governs center. Obama can mess things up yes, but there is a limit with a R controlled HoR and maybe Senate.

[olevetonahill]

Maybe I was thinking about the WMD. Admittedly I wasn't sure about that one. I should have researched it, but I have my kids in here asking me questions. Regardless my answer is that I think Romney would be better at this point as long as he governs center. Obama can mess things up yes, but there is a limit with a R controlled HoR and maybe Senate.

No biggie , Those kids can drive ya nuts . Just enjoy em while you can tho. a lot of that kinda misconception is the Far left continually bashing Bush for getting us into Needless wars , When at the time Both Houses and a majority of the country was pizzed off and wanted to smack those folks down a few pegs

[Skysooner]

No biggie , Those kids can drive ya nuts . Just enjoy em while you can tho

Oh I am. Taking them out here shortly to watch go-cart races. These are the TaG racers that can go 80 mph. I do that a little for fun, but racing is too intense for me. We have a 0.7 mile track in south Denver that is pretty technical.

[ictsooner7]

I am extremely passionate about this election. More so than any in the past. It seems like my left leaning Sooner brethren are also passionate. I want to know why.

Worst case scenario, in my opinion, if Obama is elected:
We accelerate our slide into a socialist society. The redistribution of wealth becomes so severe that those that produce will be motivated to not produce. The economy and the country will grind to a halt. Great Depression type life styles would be endured by all. Possible curtailments of personal freedoms as all socialist societies have had to do in the past.

Worst case scenario if Romney is elected:
I am assuming that the worst case scenario envisioned by the Obama supporters is that the haves will refuse to give to the have-nots. The poor will starve as the rich get richer.

Very simplified in both scenarios, but is this close?

I am giving the Republicans a pass on abortion and gay marriage, even though I support the Democratic platform for both of those issues.
I am ignoring these and other social issues of both parties because they are not as important to me as me being able to house and feed myself and my family in the future.

You really have been convinced that we are in or heading to some socialist state. You are listening to way too much bachman and limbaugh. Since when is raise the top tax bracket by 4 points is socialism? What personal freedoms are you going to lose? Is Obama going to take your guns? Remember two things - mandatory purchase of health insurance is a republican idea and obamacare is romneycare.

As for romney winning it is a doubling down on bush policies - more tax cut for rich people that does not expand the economy. Continuing the war on middle class by claiming hard working Americans are just making too much money and unions are ruining our nation. Imposing their narrow radical religious views on the rest of us, talk about the loss of freedoms. Continuing the war on voting. Ramping up the war on women. Going to war with Iran. We all know how bushs eight years worked out.

[ouwasp]

Imo, the worst thing that will happen if BHO gets re-elected is the probability that he will get to appt a couple more justices to the supreme court. That will effect the US for decades.

If Romney gets in, it could be other nations will view this as a negative in how they perceive America (since they were so quick to embrace Pres Obama)...<shrug>... that's the best I got. Never really care how the other dumbazz countries think about us anyway.

[soonercruiser]

THIS .....

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn212/SoonerCruiser_photos/Political/Obamaseconomicbrew.gif

[ictsooner7]

Sorry but you are wrong on that one my friend
Both house voted to invade em, Granted at THAT time every one was convinced that Saddam had WMDs . But the vote was made non the less

Senate approves Iraq war resolution
Senate approves Iraq war resolution

Well they did, but after being lied to by bush and cheney on wmd's.

[soonercruiser]

And, most importantly....THIS...

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn212/SoonerCruiser_photos/Political/addittomycreditcard.jpg

[soonercruiser]

And....ultimately.....we will be eaten!

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn212/SoonerCruiser_photos/Political/taxsharklooming.jpg

[ictsooner7]

Sorry but you are wrong on that one my friend
Both house voted to invade em, Granted at THAT time every one was convinced that Saddam had WMDs . But the vote was made non the less

Senate approves Iraq war resolution
Senate approves Iraq war resolution

sorry double post

[BigTip]

As for romney winning it is a doubling down on bush policies - more tax cut for rich people that does not expand the economy. Continuing the war on middle class by claiming hard working Americans are just making too much money and unions are ruining our nation. Imposing their narrow radical religious views on the rest of us, talk about the loss of freedoms. Continuing the war on voting. Ramping up the war on women. Going to war with Iran. We all know how bushs eight years worked out.

How will all of this effect you though? Personalize what it means to you.

[ictsooner7]

How will all of this effect you though? Personalize what it means to you.

It will effect every American when we have a third republican depression.

You did not personalize how it will effect you.

[Sooner5030]

If Obama wins:

I have to listen to this crook continue to spew all kinds of promises to the mob so he and his crony friends (unions, employees of the State, banks, pharma, med-tech, ABA, AARP, MADD, lazy urban f-sticks, welfare/snap recips) can continue to fleece the taxpayer, infringe on my liberty to provide some security for non self reliant dip****, and punish savers with ZIRP and increasing the money supply.

If Romney wins:

I have to listen to this crook continue to spew all kinds of promises to the mob so he and his crony friends (Oil/Gas industry, Banks, Insurance Cos, military industrial complex, agri subsidy industry, unhealthy/Type II fat asses that drive up HC costs) can continue to fleece the taxpayer, infringe on my liberty to provide some security for non self reliant business, and punish savers with ZIRP and increasing the money supply.

It doesn't matter.......in 2016 we'll have $20 trillion debt and a $17 trillion economy with an employment rate that will not bring in the revenue needed to balance the budget. None of these people represent us directly......they represent the different orgs in parenthesis listed above.

[pphilfran]

If Obama wins:

I have to listen to this crook continue to spew all kinds of promises to the mob so he and his crony friends (unions, employees of the State, banks, pharma, med-tech, ABA, AARP, MADD, lazy urban f-sticks, welfare/snap recips) can continue to fleece the taxpayer, infringe on my liberty to provide some security for non self reliant dip****, and punish savers with ZIRP and increasing the money supply.

If Romney wins:

I have to listen to this crook continue to spew all kinds of promises to the mob so he and his crony friends (Oil/Gas industry, Banks, Insurance Cos, military industrial complex, agri subsidy industry, unhealthy/Type II fat asses that drive up HC costs) can continue to fleece the taxpayer, infringe on my liberty to provide some security for non self reliant business, and punish savers with ZIRP and increasing the money supply.

It doesn't matter.......in 2016 we'll have $20 trillion debt and a $17 trillion economy with an employment rate that will not bring in the revenue needed to balance the budget. None of these people represent us directly......they represent the different orgs in parenthesis listed above.

Excellent

[olevetonahill]

How will all of this effect you though? Personalize what it means to you.

If Obama wins Icky will be beside himself with Joy If Romey wins his Head gonna assplode

[hawaii 5-0]

If Obama wins:

I have to listen to this crook continue to spew all kinds of promises to the mob so he and his crony friends (unions, employees of the State, banks, pharma, med-tech, ABA, AARP, MADD, lazy urban f-sticks, welfare/snap recips) can continue to fleece the taxpayer, infringe on my liberty to provide some security for non self reliant dip****, and punish savers with ZIRP and increasing the money supply.

If Romney wins:

I have to listen to this crook continue to spew all kinds of promises to the mob so he and his crony friends (Oil/Gas industry, Banks, Insurance Cos, military industrial complex, agri subsidy industry, unhealthy/Type II fat asses that drive up HC costs) can continue to fleece the taxpayer, infringe on my liberty to provide some security for non self reliant business, and punish savers with ZIRP and increasing the money supply.

It doesn't matter.......in 2016 we'll have $20 trillion debt and a $17 trillion economy with an employment rate that will not bring in the revenue needed to balance the budget. None of these people represent us directly......they represent the different orgs in parenthesis listed above.


I concur with Phil.

Excellent post there.

Most of us will muddle thru somehow. Some won't.

5-0

[FaninAma]

Sooner5030, i agree with your premise and opinion. I do hold out hope that Romney will use his understanding of the seamier aspects of Wall Street and finance to reign in those greedy bastards the way Joe Kennedy, the consumate Wall Street insider, did as the first chief of the SEC. If he doesn't, we're screwed.

This will get ugly. Those of you who think it couldn't be worse than the Great Depression need to realize that in that economic collapse the country was only burdened by a high level of personal private debt. This time around we are saddled with both private debt and an immense public (government) debt that leaves us with little room to inflate or monetize our way out of this hole.

[C&CDean]

Being the simple man I am, I'll put it this way:

Today, I'm at the Norman walmarts waiting for momma to check out. Watching the 2000 NC game on the TV by the checkout with all the Coke crap. Anyhow, black dude with a 2012 Obama hat and an Obama T-shirt pushes his cart up and goes "holy crap, I thought football didn't start till next week!!" I go "it's a playback of the 2000 game" and he goes "who's winning?"

No ****. That seals it for me. White people who vote for Obama are ignorant ****s. Black people who vote for Obama are even more ignorant.

[olevetonahill]

Being the simple man I am, I'll put it this way:

Today, I'm at the Norman walmarts waiting for momma to check out. Watching the 2000 NC game on the TV by the checkout with all the Coke crap. Anyhow, black dude with a 2012 Obama hat and an Obama T-shirt pushes his cart up and goes "holy crap, I thought football didn't start till next week!!" I go "it's a playback of the 2000 game" and he goes "who's winning?"

No ****. That seals it for me. White people who vote for Obama are ignorant ****s. Black people who vote for Obama are even more ignorant.

LMAO

[BigTip]

You did not personalize how it will effect you.

From my post: "not as important to me as me being able to house and feed myself and my family in the future."

I have wondered about your reading comprehension sometimes. Is it that you don't really read the posts because you can't wait to respond? I have repeatedly seen this trait in internet people like you. I am not calling you a name. I am just stating a fact.

I very much personalized what an Obama election would mean to me in my original post; I would fear for my livelihood and my way of life. I think it will directly effect me, as it will everyone, as we plunge into inevitable economic chaos.

Your main concerns seem to be about others. Very altruistic. I wonder how altruistic you will be living in a cardboard box.

[cleller]

Obama: Get on board the gravy train to European style disaster.

Romney: All the Repubs are too concerned with their goofy tax pledges, abortion fights and pleasing everyone. Plus: Doh! we're broke!

[REDREX]

Worst case is that Barack appoints two or three or more new Supreme Court judges in his second term

[BigTip]

Worst case is that Barack appoints two or three or more new Supreme Court judges in his second term

This is why I encourage people that say that they aren't going to vote because it won't matter who wins. Even if Romney can't get much done at least he will appoint people that think more like me than Obama will. Appointees, and not just for the Supreme Court, can make big differences.

[Sooner5030]

This is why I encourage people that say that they aren't going to vote because it won't matter who wins. Even if Romney can't get much done at least he will appoint people that think more like me than Obama will. Appointees, and not just for the Supreme Court, can make big differences.

Don't get me wrong...I will vote for Romney.....as getting fleeced by connected/crony businesses is better than getting fleeced the folks that are well connected with the dems.....IMO.

[hawaii 5-0]

If elected I expect Romney to appoint one of the Koch Brothers as Supreme Court Justice.

Maybe both of 'em.

The deal has been struck.

5-0

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Worst Case Scenario if Obama is elected: He caves to unions and inhibits capitalism and free markets. Capitalism and free markets are the best paths to prosperity.

Worst Case Scenario if Romney is elected: His limp dick lets the cultural conservative wing run the show.

Best Case Scenario if Obama is elected: He is so impressed with Bill Clinton's convention speech, he becomes a liberal pub like Bill was.

Best Case Scenario if Romney is elected: He keeps his campaign promises to deregulate business and liberalize legal immigration.

[FaninAma]

And, most importantly....THIS...

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn212/SoonerCruiser_photos/Political/addittomycreditcard.jpg

Funny but inaccurate. He, and all rhe rest of the career politicians, are running up the tab on a credit card our children and grandchildren will be responsible for paying off.

Once a country makes the immoral decion to make future generations pay for the debt incurred by current generations that country is finished as a legitimate, moral entity and merely becomes a collection of special interest voting for their own self-serving greedy interests. In other words, that country/society is finished.

[FaninAma]

Thank God that we are broke. Eventually the voters will pay attention to this ugly fact instead of paying lip service to it.

One of the most shocking things about this election cycle has been the absolute refusal of many on the left to acknowledge that the country is broke and that we cannot possibly continue to spend at the rate we are on entitlement programs. Their total ignorance of what is happening in the European Union defies human logic. It is also shocking at how strongly this same group feels these entitlements are THEIR money and any attempt to cut spending is viewed as an act of theft.

[BigTip]

One of the most shocking things about this election cycle has been the absolute refusal of many on the left to acknowledge that the country is broke and that we cannot possibly continue to spend at the rate we are on entitlement programs. Their total ignorance of what is happening in the European Union defies human logic.

I think this all the time.

Two years of economics should be required in high school so that all people realize there is no such thing as a free lunch.
And they should have an applied history course where you have to know how to learn from what has happened in history and how that affects the here and now.

[pphilfran]

Thank God that we are broke. Eventually the voters will pay attention to this ugly fact instead of paying lip service to it.

One of the most shocking things about this election cycle has been the absolute refusal of many on the left to acknowledge that the country is broke and that we cannot possibly continue to spend at the rate we are on entitlement programs. Their total ignorance of what is happening in the European Union defies human logic. It is also shocking at how strongly this same group feels these entitlements are THEIR money and any attempt to cut spending is viewed as an act of theft.

Thank God that we are broke. Eventually the voters will pay attention to this ugly fact instead of paying lip service to it.

One of the most shocking things about this election cycle has been the absolute refusal of many on the right to acknowledge that the country is broke and that we cannot possibly continue to spend at the rate we are on the military war machine. Their total ignorance on the cost of sticking our nose in everyone's business defies human logic. It is also shocking at how strongly this same group feels that military spending is THEIR money and any attempt to cut spending is viewed as an act of theft.

[SoonerorLater]

Trick question, Worst case scenario is the same no matter who is elected. The U.S. Financial system is about to be checkmated. You shouldn't worry about who has the best plan but who will be the best crisis manger. Get ready for pain no matter who is elected. Neither of these guys will assure our civil liberties. I'll give the edge to Romney in a photo finish because he hasn't had dinner with Bill Ayres and Bernadine Dohrn.

[FaninAma]

Thank God that we are broke. Eventually the voters will pay attention to this ugly fact instead of paying lip service to it.

One of the most shocking things about this election cycle has been the absolute refusal of many on the right to acknowledge that the country is broke and that we cannot possibly continue to spend at the rate we are on the military war machine. Their total ignorance on the cost of sticking our nose in everyone's business defies human logic. It is also shocking at how strongly this same group feels that military spending is THEIR money and
any attempt to cut spending is viewed as an act of theft.


I have often stated on this very board that the GOP needs to change their policy of having the military serve as the world's policeman. I have also stated that Europe, Japan, South Korea and Saudia Arabia need to shoulder a bigger share of their security requirements.

Are you willing to say the democrats need to be honest with their base about the need to cut the rate of budget growth for the entitlement programs and that we can't fix the deficit problems simply by raising taxes? Most on the left feel that all we need to do is increase taxes.

[sooner_born_1960]

Being the simple man I am, I'll put it this way:

Today, I'm at the Norman walmarts waiting for momma to check out. Watching the 2000 NC game on the TV by the checkout with all the Coke crap. Anyhow, black dude with a 2012 Obama hat and an Obama T-shirt pushes his cart up and goes "holy crap, I thought football didn't start till next week!!" I go "it's a playback of the 2000 game" and he goes "who's winning?"

No ****. That seals it for me. White people who vote for Obama are ignorant ****s. Black people who vote for Obama are even more ignorant.
So, you were on the fence last week?

[Ike]

The two worst scenarios are identical except for the man who is in the whitehouse. They are:

Congress can't get anything done because a butthurt minority party forces 60 votes on everything and will only relent if given everything they want. Regardless of who wins, I think there might be a 50-50 chance America defaults.