Another Loathsome Lying Obama Attack Ad

[soonercruiser]

They did it once!
They are doing it again!
Two former Obama staffers are running a pro-Obama superPAC that is trying to blame Romney for something that happened years after he left Bain Capital. This time it's a worker blaming Bain for the loss of his job and healthcare, and death of his wife...2 years later his wife was diagnose with cancer when falling ill and admitted for treatment of pneumonia.

How loathsome and low will Obama and his minions stoop??


Shocking new Obama ad blames Mitt Romney for woman's cancer death after Bain Capital shut down husband's steel mill
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184965/Obama-attack-ad-blames-Mitt-Romney-womans-cancer-death.html
PUBLISHED: 09:56 EST, 7 August 2012

A shocking new attack ad from the Obama camp blames Mitt Romney for a woman's cancer death after her husband's steel mill in Kansas City, Missouri, went bankrupt under Bain Capital.

The commercial, called 'Understands', is perhaps the harshest attack on the Republican presidential candidate to date. In the video, released online on Tuesday, steel worker Joe Soptic says Romney doesn't know what his private equity firm did to workers, 'and further, I don't think he's concerned.'

In a separate attack, the president also tarred Romney as 'Robin hood in reverse' for his economic plan that the Obama campaign says gives $5trillion in tax cuts to the wealthy at the expense of poor and middle class families.

The ad was released by Priorities USA Action, the super PAC supporting the president's reelection campaign. Obama can officially disavow the attack by saying it was produced by an independent group, but the PAC is run by two former White House aides and close allies.

Mr Soptic worked for GST Steel, which was purchased by Romney's private equity firm Bain Capital. The company later went bankrupt and 750 workers lost their jobs, though Bain investors made millions of dollars off the deal.

Romney says the steel mill only went under after he left Bain. Obama's campaign says the investment in GST is fair game because the initial deal was struck while Romney was still at the helm.
In the ad, Mr Soptic says his wife was diagnosed with terminal cancer after he was cut from his job and lost health insurance for his family.

'I don’t know how long she was sick, and I think maybe she didn’t say anything because she knew that we couldn’t afford the insurance,' he says.

(Oh, really???....maybe.....might???)

One day she became ill and I took her up to the Jackson County hospital and admitted her for pneumonia and that's when they found the cancer. By then it was stage four, there was nothing they could do for her and she passed away in 22 days.'

Mr Soptic ends the ad by saying: 'I do not think Mitt Romney realizes what he’s done to anyone, and furthermore I do not think Mitt Romney is concerned.'
Romney's campaign blasted the new spot as 'discredited, dishonest attacks.' A spokesman says Obama is trying to distract the American people from the sluggish economy and high unemployment rates.
Perhaps not surprisingly, the ad stand on very shaky ground, factually.

The steel company was acquired by Bain while Romney was at the helm, though it did not close until 2001 -- two years after Romney says he left the company.

Mr Soptic's wife died in 2006, five years after the plant shut down.


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[okie52]

Might as well face it Cruiser, it's going to get ugly on both sides and Romney (or the pub pacs) had better start hitting Obama hard if they want to stay in the game.

Shouldnt be hard....Obama gives them plenty of ammunition.

[diverdog]

Might as well face it Cruiser, it's going to get ugly on both sides and Romney (or the pub pacs) had better start hitting Obama hard if they want to stay in the game.

Shouldnt be hard....Obama gives them plenty of ammunition.

Reminds me of the Swift Boat ads. Turnabout is fair play.

[okie52]

Reminds me of the Swift Boat ads. Turnabout is fair play.

Yep and likewise for Obama. I do like the fact Axelrod/Hussein will be outspent this time.

[diverdog]

Yep and likewise for Obama. I do like the fact Axelrod/Hussein will be outspent this time.

Okie:

I do not like these type of campaigns. The super PAC that was started by the Swift Boat attack ads led us to this place. I think John Kerry served honorably and I think Romney ran a good business. What is at issue is that these type of ads work and they will continue to work until the public rebels against them. I would like good honest policy debates and nothing more.

[okie52]

When was the last time you saw the public rebel against attack ads?

Everyone says they hate negative campaigns but it rarely appears to hurt the attacker.

I really wish there would be an issues campaign but most of the voting public do well just to remember the candidates names.

[KantoSooner]

Thomas Jefferson attack ad'ed against John Adams. George Washington was so disgusted by the tenor of the election that he almost quit (George was a great one for 'almost quitting'....until he got his way. Only time he was ever defeated on this was when congress said, "No, George, the Presidency will have a salary and budget, not an open expense account. You see, George, we've dealt with your expense accounts before." The father of our fine nation had a tendency to, ahem, 'fluff up' his expenses just a tad. The beat goes on.)

[rock on sooner]

Crusier, couple of points here. I saw an interview with Soptic and
he spoke out about how badly he felt Bain treated the workers in
his plant, saying that Romney/Bain had no concept/concern about
what happened to them. That's why he made the ad. Yep, the content
is not true and the factcheckers proved that.

What about the ad that Romney's crew is running about Obama "gutting"
Clinton's Welfare to Work program? Patently false and the factcheckers
give it a "Pants On Fire" rating. Okie52 is right, it's gonna be down and
dirty all the way to Nov. 6. Diver is spot on, too...kinda hard to take
when the same thing happens to you.

This stuff is straight out of Rove's playbook...doesn't have to be true, just
say it loudly and often and there will be enough who believe it. Too bad
both sides can't play nicely together but the Dems finally learned after
being Swiftboated so they are getting down in the gutter with the Pubs!

[olevetonahill]

This **** is hilarious. Your side started it, Nu uh yours did , Not. Bla Bla Bla. Its all Bush's fault. No it aint Clinton started that **** No way . Well Reagan gave **** to the Iranians . Hell Look what George Washington Did

Do Yall read the stupid **** from both sides here ?
Ima take a Break from this ****in ZOO fer awhile
Hell its gettin too dayum close to Kickoff to keep stirring the Pot all the time
Ill drop in from time to time qand see how you Morans is doing
Enjoy yer politics . Ima go pay Tention to Football now .:glee:

[StoopTroup]

Well at least you admit all you do is stir the pot.

That's loathsome as hell.


loath·some/ˈlōTHsəm/
Adjective:
Causing hatred or disgust; repulsive: "this loathsome little swine".
Synonyms:
loathful - abominable - nasty - odious - abhorrent

[olevetonahill]

Well at least you admit all you do is stir the pot.

That's loathsome as hell.


loath·some/ˈlōTHsəm/
Adjective:
Causing hatred or disgust; repulsive: "this loathsome little swine".
Synonyms:
loathful - abominable - nasty - odious - abhorrent

Never said thats ALL I do, there Einstein, But you go ahead and feel free to read anything you want into my post, Make sure you close the door on your closet in your mind when you go back in it

[rock on sooner]

This **** is hilarious. Your side started it, Nu uh yours did , Not. Bla Bla Bla. Its all Bush's fault. No it aint Clinton started that **** No way . Well Reagan gave **** to the Iranians . Hell Look what George Washington Did

Do Yall read the stupid **** from both sides here ?
Ima take a Break from this ****in ZOO fer awhile
Hell its gettin too dayum close to Kickoff to keep stirring the Pot all the time
Ill drop in from time to time qand see how you Morans is doing
Enjoy yer politics . Ima go pay Tention to Football now .:glee:

But, but, Vet, politics is all we got fer nother 2 1/2
weeks...ima pay tention to football, too, but politics
iza contact sport, too...no pads er nuthin...:glee:

[StoopTroup]

But, but, Vet, politics is all we got fer nother 2 1/2
weeks...ima pay tention to football, too, but politics
iza contact sport, too...no pads er nuthin...:glee:

I think he called you a Moran? Moron?

[rock on sooner]

I think he called you a Moran? Moron?

Wait for it..wait for it...somebody will post the pic of the
"fella" with the sign....:glee:

[Skysooner]

This **** is hilarious. Your side started it, Nu uh yours did , Not. Bla Bla Bla. Its all Bush's fault. No it aint Clinton started that **** No way . Well Reagan gave **** to the Iranians . Hell Look what George Washington Did

Do Yall read the stupid **** from both sides here ?
Ima take a Break from this ****in ZOO fer awhile
Hell its gettin too dayum close to Kickoff to keep stirring the Pot all the time
Ill drop in from time to time qand see how you Morans is doing
Enjoy yer politics . Ima go pay Tention to Football now .:glee:

This. Dead on accurate. Happens on both sides going back to earliest history. You can't change human nature.

Another cruiser "faux rage" post.

[StoopTroup]

This. Dead on accurate. Happens on both sides going back to earliest history. You can't change human nature.

Another cruiser "faux rage" post.

Most of this Forum is faux rage. It's why it got its own forum.

[Skysooner]

Most of this Forum is faux rage. It's why it got its own forum.

Very true. I have higher hopes for it at times.

[olevetonahill]

I think he called you a Moran? Moron?
Naw I didnt single any ONE person out, I called every one in here a ****in MORAN, Ya ****in MORAN
Pay Tention

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I can't wait until we swift boat O'Bummer. Thems going to be some good commercials.

[jkjsooner]

I would like good honest policy debates and nothing more.

Good luck with that. Even in a debate it's just carefully worded responses and talking points.

[rock on sooner]

Naw I didnt single any ONE person out, I called every one in here a ****in MORAN, Ya ****in MORAN
Pay Tention

See, I knew that..just dint respond..still waitin fer that pic.
Somebody hep me out...

[olevetonahill]

See, I knew that..just dint respond..still waitin fer that pic.
Somebody hep me out...
Here ya go Lib :glee:

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/prowarprot%202.jpg

[soonercruiser]

I can't wait until we swift boat O'Bummer. Thems going to be some good commercials.

Maybe when we get a full & transparent look at Obama's college and academic record, we will get a better picture who who he really is.

[rock on sooner]

Here ya go Lib :glee:

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/prowarprot%202.jpg

See, Vet knew how ta spell....:glee:

[Skysooner]

Maybe when we get a full & transparent look at Romney's tax records, we will get a better picture who who he really is.

FIFY

[badger]

Maybe when we get a full & transparent look at Obama's college and academic record, we will get a better picture who who he really is.

If we didn't get a clear picture of who he is after:

- Being in the U.S. Senate
- Running against Clinton the Sequel in the Democratic presidential primary
- Running for president, period
- Being in office for nearly 4 years now...

Then we aren't gonna get a clear picture. Ever. Might as well accept that. You can dislike it while accepting it. Just don't vote for him.

[SoonerAtKU]

You know what would be interesting? I'd like to meet, at this point, a truly undecided voter who might be swung by debates or ads. I'm not convinced that person exists in America right now.

You might have some apathetic people who don't care either way, but that person isn't voting in November. This election, as in the last several rounds, is going to be decided by voter turnout, not by swaying someone from one side to the other. In that case, the ONLY possible strategy is to get people so incensed by the other candidate that they turn out to vote out of spite.

[badger]

You know what would be interesting? I'd like to meet, at this point, a truly undecided voter who might be swung by debates or ads. I'm not convinced that person exists in America right now.

Home: I don't like his Bart killing policy, but I do like his Selma killing policy!

(votes for bob)

[OU_Sooners75]

Distraction is what the Democrats are best at.

Distract the masses from the real issues so they won't worry about the real worries?

It seems to work, and I hope the intelligent voters see through it.

Obama can't run on hope and change this time.

[OU_Sooners75]

FIFY


I honestly want to know why romneys tax records are such a big deal? I think thatguy knows when he quit Bain.

You democrats are about as stupid and naive as your fearless socialist leader is.

I want to see Obamas academic transcript from highschool onward.

Did he really attend high school in the us?

[rock on sooner]

I honestly want to know why romneys tax records are such a big deal? I think thatguy knows when he quit Bain.

You democrats are about as stupid and naive as your fearless socialist leader is.

I want to see Obamas academic transcript from highschool onward.

Did he really attend high school in the us?

Her ya go, 75 (jus keep in mind that Ima stupid and naive
Dem..Okay?) 1. He says he left Bain in '99, but Ima guessin
that he still was on payroll in '00, '01 and maybe '02 so he'd
have a hard time convincing a lot of people that he wasn't
responsible for the outsourcing and closures that Bain did in
those years. 2. His tax records might show that some years
he paid small % of tax and maybe even no taxes at all..not
out of the realm of possibility, if he had poor performance on
his investments. 3. He might have to fess up about how he
created a $100m IRA. 4. There maybe many more offshore
locations in his holdings.

All these things would take a lot of 'splaining and, we all know
how well Mitt talks off script.

[soonercruiser]

Her ya go, 75 (jus keep in mind that Ima stupid and naive
Dem..Okay?) 1. He says he left Bain in '99, but Ima guessin
that he still was on payroll in '00, '01 and maybe '02 so he'd
have a hard time convincing a lot of people that he wasn't
responsible for the outsourcing and closures that Bain did in
those years. 2. His tax records might show that some years
he paid small % of tax and maybe even no taxes at all..not
out of the realm of possibility, if he had poor performance on
his investments. 3. He might have to fess up about how he
created a $100m IRA. 4. There maybe many more offshore
locations in his holdings.

All these things would take a lot of 'splaining and, we all know
how well Mitt talks off script.

Maybe.....
1. Maybe Romney's settlement agreement from Bain in 1999 called for some extra $$ in the subsequent 2 year? (future holdings)
Wow! That would be unusual, wouldn't it??? (NOT!)
2. Maybe he's like Warren Buffet and only pays on capital gains....not actual personal "income".
3. Many Dems, even now in office, should have to fully explain their personal fortunes...Peeloski.....Reid...maybe even Obama's great Chicago property deal with Tony Rezko. How about Michelle's great paying "inside" jobs?
4. Do many smart successful people "shelter" their assets offshore??
Is this illegal?

Frankly Obama hasn't done any significant splanin' in 4 years!
So, go ahead. Express your one-sided outrage!

[rock on sooner]

Maybe.....
1. Maybe Romney's settlement agreement from Bain in 1999 called for some extra $$ in the subsequent 2 year? (future holdings)
Wow! That would be unusual, wouldn't it??? (NOT!)
2. Maybe he's like Warren Buffet and only pays on capital gains....not actual personal "income".
3. Many Dems, even now in office, should have to fully explain their personal fortunes...Peeloski.....Reid...maybe even Obama's great Chicago property deal with Tony Rezko. How about Michelle's great paying "inside" jobs?
4. Do many smart successful people "shelter" their assets offshore??
Is this illegal?

Frankly Obama hasn't done any significant splanin' in 4 years!
So, go ahead. Express your one-sided outrage!

Outrage? Where'd that come from? I merely stated my
opinion in answering 75's question, much like you did in
a rebuttal to my points. Your points, well, sounded a little
agitated to me but I wouldn't call you outraged.

Of course it's not illegal to use offshore accounts. If I had
a lot of money I'd do it, too. You have to admit a lot of
ordinary folks might have a hard time grasping Romney's
reasoning...pointing toward some arguments about his not
being in touch with the common folk. Your 3rd point...you
really don't want to start that finger pointing, do you? Ima
guessing there's more than a few Pubs who wouldn't want
to have that discussion. Your first point about settlement
agreement, you'll have to help me out here..Romney was
listed as CEO, President and sole owner of Bain on SEC filings
for '00 and '01...what settlement agreement?

[Skysooner]

I honestly want to know why romneys tax records are such a big deal? I think thatguy knows when he quit Bain.

You democrats are about as stupid and naive as your fearless socialist leader is.

I want to see Obamas academic transcript from highschool onward.

Did he really attend high school in the us?

I actually doubt he did anything wrong with his taxes. However, there is at least one case where Bain made $60 million on an Italian company, and the taxes were paid in Luxembourg. He avoided both corporate US taxes and Italian corporate taxes. It just shows that he might be speaking out of both sides of his mouth. Frankly it matters not to me about his tax records just like Obama's transcripts are a moot point. I just want to know he is going to treat my industry better than Obama has.

But the main reason I am even saying anything is that it should go both ways. Seeing academic records is like screaming for his birth certificate. He was born in the US. There were plenty of people who knew him in high school and college who saw him in the US. Saying anything else just puts you in the birther crowd aka right wing whackos (to borrow a phrase from Rush)

[rock on sooner]

I actually doubt he did anything wrong with his taxes. However, there is at least one case where Bain made $60 million on an Italian company, and the taxes were paid in Luxembourg. He avoided both corporate US taxes and Italian corporate taxes. It just shows that he might be speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

But the main reason I am even saying anything is that it should go both ways. Seeing academic records is like screaming for his birth certificate. He was born in the US. There were plenty of people who knew him in high school and college who saw him in the US. Saying anything else just puts you in the birther crowd aka right wing whackos (to borrow a phrase from Rush)

Kinda funny, Sky, using "talking out of both sides of his mouth" and "right
wing whackos" in the same post...:glee:

[TitoMorelli]

If Romney took advantage of legal avenues in order to keep from paying as much in taxes as he would have otherwise, then fix the problem with tax laws. Don't blame someone for doing what they can (assuming it's legal) to save money.

As for Obama's school records, it's no big deal. Except that he loves to claim to be the "smartest man in the room," and some may support him based on that belief. So perhaps we should be entitled to find out whether he actually was a slacker who wouldn't have been admitted to Columbia or Harvard Law had he been caucasian, or had someone not been pulling strings for him. I mean, if that's the game that the Democrats demand we play, then let's at least let both sides play it.

But then the bottom line is that all any of this does is to distract from real issues, such as the current administration's poor performance on the economy, and the failure of Obama's ridiculous "lead-from-behind" strategy both in domestic and foreign affairs.

[StoopTroup]

Naw I didnt single any ONE person out, I called every one in here a ****in MORAN, Ya ****in MORAN
Pay Tention

I paid attention. You called them all so you called him one.

I'm really well educated and you know it so you can take your pay attention bumper sticker and paste it to the dashboard of your truck.

[OU_Sooners75]

Gregg how the hell are ya?

Hope everything is ok and life is back to normal for ya!

[badger]

Distraction is what the Democrats are best at.

Distract the masses from the real issues so they won't worry about the real worries?

It seems to work, and I hope the intelligent voters see through it.

Obama can't run on hope and change this time.

I like diversions. Why can't Dem diversions be more entertaining like The Dark Knight Rises and less depressing like The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, Colo. :(

Note: I have actually not seen that movie. The Aurora thing was too depressing and then there's the whole baby thing too

[olevetonahill]

Gregg how the hell are ya?

Hope everything is ok and life is back to normal for ya!
He's still got his panties in a wad at me , cant ya tell?

[Turd_Ferguson]

He's still got his panties in a wad at me , cant ya tell?I don't think their in a wad...I think their just all stuck together from the poop stains.

[olevetonahill]

I don't think their in a wad...I think their just all stuck together from the poop stains.
Oh well as long as hes pissed at me hes leaving the others alone. Too bad tho I still consider him friend enough that I wont take the shots at him that he seems to delight in taking at me

[rock on sooner]

I don't think their in a wad...I think their just all stuck together from the poop stains.

Funny how skid marks gum up the werks!:glee:

[olevetonahill]

Funny how skid marks gum up the werks!:glee:
That aint GUM :afro:

[rock on sooner]

That aint GUM :afro:

How ya Know? 'Sides I thot yuze goin to football...:glee:

[olevetonahill]

How ya Know? 'Sides I thot yuze goin to football...:glee:
Just funnin here I aint talkin no silly politics shat

[rock on sooner]

Just funnin here I aint talkin no silly politics shat

Thot so, hadda git nother brew..summa these guys git
serious bout politics...sumtimes I do but, geez....

[StoopTroup]

Circle the wagons everyone ! ! !

Damn you got your BFFs out to ride the white devils back to the East!

ROTF

http://www.toonpool.com/user/589/files/circle_the_wagons_1219465.jpg

[Turd_Ferguson]

http://www.jesusmovementblog.com/wp-content/uploads/Far_Side_Gifted.jpg

[rock on sooner]

http://www.jesusmovementblog.com/wp-content/uploads/Far_Side_Gifted.jpg

N I always thot that wuz Dubya tryin ta find his way
outa the White House...silly me...

[Mazeppa]

August 7, 2012
Liars, Damned Liars, and Harry Reid
By Dov Fischer

Harry Reid wants to see more of Mitt Romney's past income-tax filings. Debbie Wasserman Schultz wants to see 23 years of his taxes. This, from the die-hard supporters of a candidate who will not release his college transcripts or so much more.

I want to know how Barack Obama got into Columbia University for undergraduate school. I want to see his application. Did he seek extra consideration, as did Elizabeth Warren in applying for her academic opportunities, by claiming to be a member of a demographic group favored by affirmative action? I imagine that he did not falsely claim special treatment on a theory of being foreign-born, but I would like to know for sure. It is immaterial where he was born -- I want to know whether he claimed on his applications, as his book publisher later would write about him, that he had overcome the disadvantages of being foreign-born. What did he write to the dean of admissions of Columbia University about his childhood, his education, his background? Every college-transfer application to Columbia requires that the student write a narrative, tell his story, explain why he deserves a crack at the Ivy League after a brief sojourn at a lesser institution.

I want to know who funded his college education. Columbia costs an arm and a leg. Did Barack Obama have benefactors, admirers of his youthful promise, paying his way? Did he take loans? If so, how did he qualify? Or did he win exceptional scholarship and grant-funding? If he received assistance -- and good for him if he did -- what was the narrative that he presented to qualify? Did he speak of the challenges of being reared in Hawaii, a black youngster reared by a white grandmother who stood in as surrogate for his mom? Did he speak of having overcome educational disadvantages overseas? Did he boost his appeal for assistance by claiming to be foreign-born? Like Harry Reid and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, I also want to know more about the leader of the free world.

During his time at Columbia, what were his grades? Everyone is entitled to a bad grade or two or three. You run into a tough professor or one who, though brilliant, is garbled and incoherent. Or someone whose code you simply cannot crack. However, a student who glides from Columbia University into Harvard Law School typically will have quite impressive a string of fabulous grades. I want to know what his grades were at Columbia. We all gained the opportunity to learn Al Gore's grades at Harvard, as well as John Kerry's and George W. Bush's grades at Yale. We learned that Bush, a "C" student with a 77 average, had scored one point higher than Kerry, who graduated with a 76 GPA. Bush got a "D" in astronomy, while Kerry scored four "D" grades as a freshman. That year alone, Kerry scored 68 in each of two history courses and a 69 in political science. Indeed, the media could compare them. I want to know Barack Obama's grades at my alma mater. It seems that a 78 average is all it would take to register Barack Obama as a genius on the "American Presidency Academic Scale." Why is a brilliant thinker, whose ostensible brilliance raised him to be president of Harvard Law Review even though he never published any scholarship on his own, holding back?

Wasserman Schultz wants to see Romney's tax returns from 23 years ago? I want to see Barack Obama's application to Harvard Law School. Did he simply attach a fabulous, superlative transcript of straight As earned at Columbia with letters of recommendation from the university's most prominent faculty members, along with a sparkling grade on the uniform Law School Admissions Test? If so, good for him. He should be proud to share it with the public. I want to see it.

What did he tell Harvard in the all-important personal essay that applicants must submit with their packages? Was it an essay about how he had spent his summer? Was it about the disadvantages he had to overcome in his life? There is no reason for a person reared by his grandmother to be ashamed to share that document with the public.

Indeed, even for the staunchest conservatives, that account was one of the most compelling aspects of Bill Clinton's life narrative: a youngster reared by his grandmother in Arkansas while his divorced mom struggled to earn a nursing degree in Louisiana. What was Barack Obama's narrative? Did he describe awkwardness and perhaps virulent racism encountered as a young black man in Hawaii? That story can be compelling, even now, offering all of us what he likes to call a "teachable moment."

Did he describe attending school in Indonesia or somewhere else? What was his story? By what formula did his application win him acceptance to Harvard Law, and how did he pay for those three years of incredibly challenging tuition? With grants and scholarships? A rich uncle about whom we have not heard? How did he get there? How did he qualify for financial assistance? What makes one set of financial disclosures more relevant than another? I want to know.

American laws easily can be drafted to require presidential candidates to release five years of tax returns, ten years, even 23 years. Harry Reid is the Senate majority leader, and he can move the machinery to bring such a bill for a vote. The day that law is passed, we all will demand that all candidates from all parties release all mandated tax returns. However, that day is not this day. Mitt Romney has complied with the law. If the Democrats want to argue that "tradition" implies that presidential candidates should release more tax returns, then tradition also teaches that presidential candidates should release school transcripts. For example, at Harvard, Al Gore earned a "D" in Natural Sciences 6 ("Man's Place in Nature") and a C+ in Natural Sciences 118. On his College Board Achievement Tests he earned 488 out of 800 in physics and 519 out of 800 in chemistry. It is helpful and even important for Americans to know the hard-science skills of a man who came before us as inventor of the internet and before our Republic as the Philosopher-King of Global Warming.

The double standard proffered by Reid and by Wasserman Schultz is despicable, even as it is frustrating that Romney's surrogates have been hesitant to demand more self-revelation from Obama.

Finally, another word about law. Most Americans do not realize that, as a matter of law, a politician knowingly may lie and defame anyone as long as he is speaking in a legislative session within the legislative chambers of government. Whether a City Council representative legislating at a formal zoning hearing, a state legislator in the Assembly chambers, or a United States senator debating on the Senate floor, she may say anything she pleases and may knowingly lie and defame with complete immunity.

Deriving from legal sources like the United States Constitution, Article I, Section 6, this "safe harbor" to slander and defame shamelessly is known as the "legislative privilege." At its finest, the legislative privilege exists to assure unfettered debate, permitting robust criticism of government without fear of being sued for tortious defamation. However, Harry Reid does not embody its finest. Note that Harry Reid, when speaking outside the safety of the legislative chamber, speaks of having heard rumors about Mitt Romney but never states outright that Mitt Romney cheated on taxes except when Reid is on the Senate floor, artificially protected from being sued as a "dirty liar." Thus, he not only is a "dirty liar," but he is also a coward. If the lines at Chick-fil-A are too long, you can always find at least that one chicken in the United States Senate.

Dov Fischer, adjunct professor of law at Loyola Law School, is a columnist for several online magazines and is rabbi of Young Israel of Orange County. He blogs at rabbidov.com.

[StoopTroup]

^lol

[Skysooner]

http://www.jesusmovementblog.com/wp-content/uploads/Far_Side_Gifted.jpg

Mazeppa? Is that you or is it cruiser?

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Her ya go, 75 (jus keep in mind that Ima stupid and naive
Dem..Okay?) 1. He says he left Bain in '99, but Ima guessin
that he still was on payroll in '00, '01 and maybe '02 so he'd
have a hard time convincing a lot of people that he wasn't
responsible for the outsourcing and closures that Bain did in
those years. 2. His tax records might show that some years
he paid small % of tax and maybe even no taxes at all..not
out of the realm of possibility, if he had poor performance on
his investments. 3. He might have to fess up about how he
created a $100m IRA. 4. There maybe many more offshore
locations in his holdings.

All these things would take a lot of 'splaining and, we all know
how well Mitt talks off script.

Rock, your fishing for a minnow. Go for the big mouth bass and rail against O'Bummer not releasing any records from Hawaii on. Go on record and denounce the O'Bummer approved advert about the cancer victim death - Now that would be a moral thing to do.

[rock on sooner]

Rock, your fishing for a minnow. Go for the big mouth bass and rail against O'Bummer not releasing any records from Hawaii on. Go on record and denounce the O'Bummer approved advert about the cancer victim death - Nwo that would be a moral thing to do.

Alph, I already spoke out against the ad about the cancer
victim death...it'd take a huge stretch to tie Bain to that
set of circumstances. To be perfectly honest, I don't see
the controversy about Obama's education records...I'm
guessing that conspiracy theorists are shaking the brush
to see if a rattler crawls out, similar to the Birthers.

As to the tax record deal, Romney himself fanned those
flames by stating flatly that he's released all he's going to,
when asked specifically what he was trying to keep secret.
Personally, I'd like to know how he created a $100m IRA,
since there are so many restrictions on what and when you
can contribute.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

You know, we all know Romney is rich, who gives a crap. If I were him, I would use every legal means to shelter money from the FedGov. All this posturing is just obfuscation and smoke screen...At least romney and his family earned their money. O'Bummer never had a real job and only became rich after he was elected to the Senate and had that sweet Rezco deal. I want to see those transactions, but guess what, they are sealed. Blago says he funneled 25K to O'Bummer, where is the media on that one?

[rock on sooner]

You know, we all know Romney is rich, who gives a crap. If I were him, I would use every legal means to shelter money from the FedGov. All this posturing is just obfuscation and smoke screen...At least romney and his family earned their money. O'Bummer never had a real job and only became rich after he was elected to the Senate and had that sweet Rezco deal. I want to see those transactions, but guess what, they are sealed. Blago says he funneled 25K to O'Bummer, where is the media on that one?

I agree about sheltering the money legally, if I had bucks I'd do it, too.
Truth be told, both sides are using smoke screens at every turn. As to
Obama's wealth, I think most of it came from his books (not certain, tho)
he did say that he and his wife only paid off their student loans 8 or 9
years ago. As to Blago, well, I'd consider the source...:pirate:

[TitoMorelli]

Alph, I already spoke out against the ad about the cancer
victim death...it'd take a huge stretch to tie Bain to that
set of circumstances. To be perfectly honest, I don't see
the controversy about Obama's education records...I'm
guessing that conspiracy theorists are shaking the brush
to see if a rattler crawls out, similar to the Birthers.

As to the tax record deal, Romney himself fanned those
flames by stating flatly that he's released all he's going to,
when asked specifically what he was trying to keep secret.
Personally, I'd like to know how he created a $100m IRA,
since there are so many restrictions on what and when you
can contribute.

I have absolutely no interest in how he created a $100mm IRA. I am, however, somewhat curious as to its exact location and the account #.

[rock on sooner]

I have absolutely no interest in how he created a $100mm IRA. I am, however, somewhat curious as to its exact location and the account #.

You're prolly not alone..:pirate:

[badger]

I have absolutely no interest in how he created a $100mm IRA. I am, however, somewhat curious as to its exact location and the account #.

Remember when Lifelock's founder posted his Social Security Number since he was so confident in his Lifelock services... and then his identify got stolen anyways? :P

[TitoMorelli]

The "Romney killed my wife" tactic apparently appeared some time before the Super PAC ad used it, in a campaign "slide show" prepared by...Obama's own campaign.


http://www.barackobama.com/romney/economics/gst/gst-intro

Also--



President Obama's embattled deputy campaign manager, Stephanie Cutter, was scheduled to appear on ABC's "This Week" yet seems to now have changed her mind as call for her firing intensifies. Cutter took to the press this week to claim that she and the campaign were unfamiliar with Joe Soptic and his story. This turned out to be false: not only was the Obama campaign familiar with Soptic, they hosted him on an OFA conference call and previously used him for a campaign ad.

[TitoMorelli]

From theonion.com-- :biggrin:



'Romney Murdered JonBenét Ramsey,' New Obama Campaign Ad Alleges

CHICAGO—With campaign rhetoric becoming increasingly heated and both presidential nominees releasing more attack ads, a new 30-second spot from the Obama campaign this week accuses his opponent Mitt Romney of committing the 1996 murder of 6-year-old beauty pageant queen JonBenét Ramsey.

Titled “He Did It,” the advertisement asks if anyone can truly remember where Romney was the night of the child’s murder, and whether the U.S. populace wants a president capable of strangling a little girl and dumping her body in her parents’ basement.

President Obama appears at the end of the advertisement to approve the message.

“I think this is a fair ad, and I think Mitt Romney owes an explanation to the American people as to why he murdered JonBenét Ramsey,” said Obama campaign manager Jim Messina, who called the commercial’s black-and-white reenactment of Mitt Romney carrying a kicking and screaming child to her death “accurate.” “Ultimately, voters need to know who they’re getting with Mitt Romney: a job- and child-killing businessman who is so deceitful he won’t release his tax returns or admit to a senseless murder that shook the nation to its core.”....



http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-murdered-jonbenet-ramsey-new-obama-campaign,29114/?ref=auto

[Skysooner]

I just posted that on Facebook as a joke, and I'm getting angry replies as to how dare Obama do that...truly sad.

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" Robert A. Heinlein

[Mississippi Sooner]

I just posted that on Facebook as a joke, and I'm getting angry replies as to how dare Obama do that...truly sad.

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" Robert A. Heinlein

You want to really see stupidity? "Like" the Onion so that you get the postings of all the Onion articles on your wall. It is unbelievable how many people think those headlines are real and get all butthurt about them.

[Skysooner]

You want to really see stupidity? "Like" the Onion so that you get the postings of all the Onion articles on your wall. It is unbelievable how many people think those headlines are real and get all butthurt about them.

Just did. I can always use a laugh.

[soonercruiser]

Mazeppa? Is that you or is it cruiser?

Leave him alone, or I'll hit on you lefties!
:topsy_turvy:

[soonercruiser]

Alph, I already spoke out against the ad about the cancer
victim death...it'd take a huge stretch to tie Bain to that
set of circumstances. To be perfectly honest, I don't see
the controversy about Obama's education records...I'm
guessing that conspiracy theorists are shaking the brush
to see if a rattler crawls out, similar to the Birthers.

As to the tax record deal, Romney himself fanned those
flames by stating flatly that he's released all he's going to,
when asked specifically what he was trying to keep secret.
Personally, I'd like to know how he created a $100m IRA,
since there are so many restrictions on what and when you
can contribute.

Read these two paragraphs again! See the hypocrisy in you justification of the second, and lack of interest in the first!
Duh.

Obama's academic record!
We want to see it! We want transparency!
Where there's somkin', there's fire!
My guess is there are some bad grades, and lack of justification of placement in the Ivy League.
Maybe even a third alias!
My guess, is as good as your guess!

[rock on sooner]

Read these two paragraphs again! See the hypocrisy in you justification of the second, and lack of interest in the first!
Duh.

Obama's academic record!
We want to see it! We want transparency!
Where there's somkin', there's fire!
My guess is there are some bad grades, and lack of justification of placement in the Ivy League.
Maybe even a third alias!
My guess, is as good as your guess!

Cruiser, you keep shakin' the bushes and a lefty
rattler will crawl out and bite ya!:glee: