Treatment for pedophiles?

[ouwasp]

I've heard that sex offenders have one of the highest recividist (sp?) rates of prisoners. This Sandusky scandal has me wondering...

What if, say 30-some yrs ago, Sandusky acknowledged he had a problem. That he needed counseling or whatever for his perversion. I would imagine he most certainly would have lost his job. But say he did the right thing all those yrs ago... what sort of treatment would supress these urges? Or is it something too deep-seated?

[mojorisen2014]

They should cut your balls off if some1 is a pederass

[KantoSooner]

I'm not sure of what's gone on in the last 20 years or so, but at least throuigh the early 1990's it was pretty much accepted that you could not ever 'cure' a pedophile.

[C&CDean]

All sexual deviants claim to be born that way. Nothing they can do about it. Is what it is. And so on.

So no, counselling and the like wouldn't help.

[badger]

Is it just nature to some people to do things that others find to be awful? Like trying to tell a wolf to stay away from red meat, or a poisonous snake to not bite you, or trying to tell a camel to get out of your tent after it gradually nudged its way inside?

[C&CDean]

Is it just nature to some people to do things that others find to be awful? Like trying to tell a wolf to stay away from red meat, or a poisonous snake to not bite you, or trying to tell a camel to get out of your tent after it gradually nudged its way inside?

Bad analogies girlfriend. A wolf needs meat to live, a snake will only bite you if provoked/threatened, and the damn camel just wants to get outta the sun.

Sexual deviants could live without their "hard-wired" preferences, but many do not have the will power to go "gee, I sure would like to eff little Johnny in the A, but that would be really effed up so I won't." Most go "I want little Johnny so I'ma gonna have little Johnnie."

Also, I don't include male rapists in the sexual deviant category. I include them in the murderer/criminal catergory. It ain't sexual, it's about having control/power over someone else.

[Viking Kitten]

I would put anyone who has sex with someone who is unwilling or unable to give consent in the murderer/criminal category.

If a female teacher finds herself attracted to 14-year-old boys, then she should find another line of work, even if the boy returns the feelings. Why? It is illegal for her to have sex with him. It is a crime. Period. If she is unwilling to control herself, the skank should rot in jail.

[soonerinabilene]

Many claim its like being gay- not a choice, just how you are born. Buncha crap, imo.

[Viking Kitten]

So... when did you choose to be straight?

[badger]

So... when did you choose to be straight?

um... when I met NP, I guess? :P

[soonerinabilene]

So... when did you choose to be straight?
2nd grade, when April Rancier walked into my classroom and I had my first crush. Before that, my attractions were totally directed at dirt, toy guns, and legos.

Also, the buncha crap opinion was directed at the thought that pedophiles are born that way, not homosexuals.

[Viking Kitten]

It's just difficult to say whether they were born that way or not. It seems like we are told that those who are victims of sexual abuse grow up to abusers themselves. Maybe they had certain proclivities that were reinforced environmentally for one reason or another.

I know this, they aren't normal, they see themselves as overgrown children. There was a man at my parents' church in the late 90s who was victimizing little kids, the children of single mothers who were church members. This guy had nearly EVERYONE fooled, including my parents. I attempted to raise questions about him early on, because there was something about him that seemed off to me, both his demeanor and his specific behavior, but I was rebuffed and decided to mind my own business. It's not like I knew anything specific, and I was in my early 20s and it wasn't really my problem. When the truth finally came out, I promised myself I would never ignore that inner voice again.

This is the guy right here: http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=397941&offender_book_id=212750

(http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=397941&offender_book_id=212750)He's in until 2044. I hope the scumbag dies in prison. Painfully.

[Jacie]

Our attitudes about speaking out have changed a lot. My highschool gf told me about an incident involving her and the head of her church youth group when he tried to entice her into having sex. Later i attended services with her and she pointed him out to me, standing there with his pretty wife and children and i wanted to go up and say something to him but held back in deference to my gf who did not want to pursue the issue. This was at an OKC church anyone who lives on the northwest side has seen and driven past since it is located at a very busy intersection there. I should have said something at the time. No telling what other mischief this guy may have got up to.

[rock on sooner]

It's just difficult to say whether they were born that way or not. It seems like we are told that those who are victims of sexual abuse grow up to abusers themselves. Maybe they had certain proclivities that were reinforced environmentally for one reason or another.

I know this, they aren't normal, they see themselves as overgrown children. There was a man at my parents' church in the late 90s who was victimizing little kids, the children of single mothers who were church members. This guy had nearly EVERYONE fooled, including my parents. I attempted to raise questions about him early on, because there was something about him that seemed off to me, both his demeanor and his specific behavior, but I was rebuffed and decided to mind my own business. It's not like I knew anything specific, and I was in my early 20s and it wasn't really my problem. When the truth finally came out, I promised myself I would never ignore that inner voice again.

This is the guy right here: http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=397941&offender_book_id=212750

(http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=397941&offender_book_id=212750)He's in until 2044. I hope the scumbag dies in prison. Painfully.

Holy cow! Read his rap sheet...why'd they keep letting that POS out?

[Breadburner]

Death....No appeal.....

[Viking Kitten]

He has been locked up since his conviction in 2001. (It was early in 2000 when all the s**t went down, I'll never forget getting the call from my mom, it really shook her faith in humanity.)

What you are seeing is that the sentences for the more "minor" crimes has expired, but the sentences all run concurrently. So while he's done with the possession of kiddie porn sentence, he still has to serve the first degree rape sentence. (Although he is up for parole in 2017.) By the way, the little girl who was raped was four years old at the time. She's stayed in touch with our family, her own mother lost custody after all this. The moron was letting her daughters spend the night unsupervised at his house. My parents didn't know that at the time.

[rock on sooner]

My understanding is that child molesters are at the bottom
of the prison food chain. Let's hope he's in the general
population and that the word is out...

[olevetonahill]

My understanding is that child molesters are at the bottom
of the prison food chain. Let's hope he's in the general
population and that the word is out...

Common misconception, they are segregated, in their own little world

[Viking Kitten]

I think I remember hearing from my mom that he has been segregated out into a group of similar offenders, and was at one point a candidate for some experimental therapy and treatment programs aimed at pedophiles. (Bringing this discussion full circle back to the point of the OP.) However, I know the DOC had to end a lot of those types of programs during the state budget crisis of 2009-2010. I however just hope he never gets any kind of second chance, because he needs to punished the rest of his life for the damage he inflicted on those little girls.

[Viking Kitten]

Okay, just read Vet's post... I guess it makes sense they would segregate them, otherwise you'd have prisoners getting killed every week and there would be a big stink about it. Not that I would be personally opposed to it, mind you.

[Condescending Sooner]

As much as my initial reaction is with the "hang em high" crowd, I always worry about false accusations. Remember back in the day when the daycare workers went to prison for sexual abuse? All the kids were telling crazy stories and law enforcement and parents were believing every word. Problem was, none of it was true.

Whoever said kids never lie had never had any kids.

[ouwasp]

Thanks for your input, VK. I also hope the predator never sees the outside world again.

Took a tour of Big Mac back in '02. They had the molesters all grouped together in their own wing.

I don't claim to have any professional insight into their pervy minds. But I'm thinking it (the desire for sex with a child) must be "hard-wired" into their mind, because the act itself is so shocking and un-natural. And the shame/penalty involved when caught is tremendous. It is indeed head-shaking stuff. That's why I say that $60 mill PSU is having to cough up should be used to build more cells; I can't imagine this perversion, much less any treatment that would guarantee success.

How in the world did Sandusky get away with it as long as he did before 1998?

[C&CDean]

If a female teacher finds herself attracted to 14-year-old boys, then she should find another line of work, even if the boy returns the feelings. Why? It is illegal for her to have sex with him. It is a crime. Period. If she is unwilling to control herself, the skank should rot in jail.

Slippery slope. Sticking ol gus into momma's bung hole or down her throat is illegal too. So is smoking pot. And going 56 in a 55.

Legal schmegal. Besides, I was a 14-year old boy at one time and trust me, I'd take all the 30-year old poon you wanted to throw at me. I could tell a couple stories, but it'd just be bragging. It was cool back then, but now, it's all illegal and ****. Ina day > today.

[BajaOklahoma]

They have used Depo-Provera to depress sexual urges in teenage boys who are mentally challenged for many years.
At one point, they were using it for prisoners and sex offenders.

[olevetonahill]

They have used Depo-Provera to depress sexual urges in teenage boys who are mentally challenged for many years.
At one point, they were using it for prisoners and sex offenders.

Is that like "Salt Peter"

[IBleedCrimson]

If loving boobs was made illegal, then you got sentenced to 10 years in prison because you were caught with some straight porn on your laptop that showed lots of boobies.... when you got out would you still love boobs? Of course you would. No therapy in the world could stop you from loving boobs. Only way to keep you away from boobs is a jail cell.

Lock em up. Sorry, but you are sexually attracted to kids. That can't be fixed and can rarely be contained. Kids > you.

[mojorisen2014]

If a female teacher finds herself attracted to 14-year-old boys, then she should find another line of work, even if the boy returns the feelings. Why? It is illegal for her to have sex with him. It is a crime. Period. If she is unwilling to control herself, the skank should rot in jail.

Slippery slope. Sticking ol gus into momma's bung hole or down her throat is illegal too. So is smoking pot. And going 56 in a 55.

Legal schmegal. Besides, I was a 14-year old boy at one time and trust me, I'd take all the 30-year old poon you wanted to throw at me. I could tell a couple stories, but it'd just be bragging. It was cool back then, but now, it's all illegal and ****. Ina day > today.

You can email me your stories

[rock on sooner]

Okay, just read Vet's post... I guess it makes sense they would segregate them, otherwise you'd have prisoners getting killed every week and there would be a big stink about it. Not that I would be personally opposed to it, mind you.

Me either VK, didn't know that ,Vet, thanks but that sucks. The "system"
should take care of those ****ers, too freakin bad...

[SanJoaquinSooner]

When I was a grad student at OU, I knew a grad student named Maggie who ran a group therapy session for convicted sex offenders. She said, like most people, sex offenders have desires to do things they know they shouldn't do. But actually acted on those urges. Just like most of the middle aged and old aged ****ers on this board got hard-ons for some underaged young teen at one time or another - but we knew better than to act upon our feelings. Well most of us, anyway. On the other hand, smokers know they shouldn't smoke but they do anyway. Some people know they shouldn't overeat but they do anyway. Their behaviors can change though.

The distinction is feelings vs. behavior. One feels what one feels -- but one doesn't necessarily have to act on those feelings.

[XingTheRubicon]

19 years old, Sophomore at Tulane...kept running into this chick that was in my Am govt class. I'd see her at the Timesaver (that's drunk cajun speak for 7-11 or QT for you tulsa fags), I'd see her at Bruff Commons or the Rat later. So, being horny with a firm double digit IQ, I started to work on her. We'd be walking out of class and in front of everybody, I paced along side her and said, "so thursday's still good?" She just laughed. "Good for what." she said, without wanting to know the answer. "me and you." I said. "no, busy." she said every time. I asked her if she had a significant other and she would never say yes or no, so I pressed on.

"I'm gonna be at F&M's tonite, 11 o'clock, you better be there." No answer from her, just kinda laughing. By a month into the semester, all 80 students in our gov't class were following my pathetic quest to get this chick to go out with me. I even dry-humped a different chick from that same class instigated by a conversation about me trying to get the quiet chick. Well, that kinda steals from the romantic angle of all of this but anyway, we both kept our mouths shut. Anyway, about 6 weeks into this, I see her at the Commons. She's about to start eating lunch alone and I walk by, backpack in hand looking for money, and she says...."hey"
"Hey" I said to her, kind of confused cause she always tried to avoid me. She told me to sit down. I looked at my buddy that I came to eat lunch with and she said "Oh, if you already...." "No, no, no, I interrupted. I hate him...go away" and he left.

Then we ate.

and we ate again.

and it went on like this for a month or so...harmless lunches and studying together.

no booze. and no touching. kinda like kindergarten.

I asked her to meet me in the quarter or one of the campus sh*tholes, several times but she just shook her head.

I really, really enjoyed spending time with her so I didn't mind the 80 or 90 no sex dates, but I started to wonder if she had a broken toy box or something. After a while of this, I asked her if she wanted to go study in my room one time instead where we were and she said "No, that's ok." and then my double digit IQ chimed in...
I replied, "How am I gonna get your shirt off in the Commons?"
she did not laugh. she just looked at me, almost curiously.

Our next couple of times hanging out were kind of weird.

I felt bad for some reason. Really bad. So I did something that I had never at that point, done for another chick. (Especially one I hadn't banged)

I apologized. I looked straight at her and said I was sorry and I meant it. I don't know why I meant it but I did.

A few more study dates, and a lunch or two went by and we were sitting across from each other at the commons. There was hardly anyone else there, and she looks up and sighs.

She slowly closes her book. She reaches across the table and closes my book. She then crossed her arms and slowly leaned forward 'til her elbows touch the table and says:

[XingTheRubicon]

well, she talked for about 10 minutes and by the end my hands were literally shaking and there were tears streaming down my face. I remember thinking if anyone saw us, they'd think I was getting dumped and cut off from 90 consecutive no touching dates.

What she was explaining to me, is that she was molested at a young age and sex of any kind, to her was so confusing. She also explained how much she enjoyed our time, but felt incredibly guilty for depriving me of physical interaction.

I felt like such a dick. Even though I was actually pretty nice to her, I felt so horrible...and helpless.

There was nothing I could do to make it better. There was nothing I could do more than what I was already doing.

I kept in contact with her, she was so incredibly nice. She lives in Houston now...grief counselor. Unmarried.



I ****ing hate pedophiles.

[C&CDean]

Dude, that story was good enough for two posts.

I've hung with some chicks with serious issues from daddy/stepdaddy lovin'. Sick ****.

[badger]

Whoever said kids never lie had never had any kids.
My daughter can't speak yet and she's already lying to manipulate her poor parents.

Baby badger: Wahhhh! Wahhhhh!
badger: You can't fool me. You rolled onto your belly so you want to be on your belly. You love belly time.
Baby badger: Wahhhh! Wahhhhh!
:(

[rock on sooner]

My daughter can't speak yet and she's already lying to manipulate her poor parents.

Baby badger: Wahhhh! Wahhhhh!
badger: You can't fool me. You rolled onto your belly so you want to be on your belly. You love belly time.
Baby badger: Wahhhh! Wahhhhh!
:(

Badg, I raised two...one each.. and now I've a grandson to spoil so
when I say those cries are for real, they are! They represent "I'm
hungry..I'm mad..I'm lonely... I'm in pain... I want daddy...I want
mommy..I'm scared...and, most of all, pay tention to me!..they each
have their own distinct sound and body language. What so much fun
is figuring out which is which and then apply the appropriate action
to remedy. Once you figure that out then, no more manipulation.

[Ton Loc]

Also, I don't include male rapists in the sexual deviant category. I include them in the murderer/criminal catergory. It ain't sexual, it's about having control/power over someone else.

I don't see how a violent crime; really any crime where you ### at the end isn't sexual. Not that it matters though. If you eff with kids, you're done. You're treatment should be jail for life or death. I'd go with whichever is cheaper.

[C&CDean]

I don't see how a violent crime; really any crime where you ### at the end isn't sexual. Not that it matters though. If you eff with kids, you're done. You're treatment should be jail for life or death. I'd go with whichever is cheaper.

It's cheaper to sentence them to life; then have an inmate shank them. Win-win.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

19 years old, Sophomore at Tulane...kept running into this chick that was in my Am govt class. I'd see her at the Timesaver (that's drunk cajun speak for 7-11 or QT for you tulsa fags), I'd see her at Bruff Commons or the Rat later. So, being horny with a firm double digit IQ, I started to work on her. We'd be walking out of class and in front of everybody, I paced along side her and said, "so thursday's still good?" She just laughed. "Good for what." she said, without wanting to know the answer. "me and you." I said. "no, busy." she said every time. I asked her if she had a significant other and she would never say yes or no, so I pressed on.

"I'm gonna be at F&M's tonite, 11 o'clock, you better be there." No answer from her, just kinda laughing. By a month into the semester, all 80 students in our gov't class were following my pathetic quest to get this chick to go out with me. I even dry-humped a different chick from that same class instigated by a conversation about me trying to get the quiet chick. Well, that kinda steals from the romantic angle of all of this but anyway, we both kept our mouths shut. Anyway, about 6 weeks into this, I see her at the Commons. She's about to start eating lunch alone and I walk by, backpack in hand looking for money, and she says...."hey"
"Hey" I said to her, kind of confused cause she always tried to avoid me. She told me to sit down. I looked at my buddy that I came to eat lunch with and she said "Oh, if you already...." "No, no, no, I interrupted. I hate him...go away" and he left.

Then we ate.

and we ate again.

and it went on like this for a month or so...harmless lunches and studying together.

no booze. and no touching. kinda like kindergarten.

I asked her to meet me in the quarter or one of the campus sh*tholes, several times but she just shook her head.

I really, really enjoyed spending time with her so I didn't mind the 80 or 90 no sex dates, but I started to wonder if she had a broken toy box or something. After a while of this, I asked her if she wanted to go study in my room one time instead where we were and she said "No, that's ok." and then my double digit IQ chimed in...
I replied, "How am I gonna get your shirt off in the Commons?"
she did not laugh. she just looked at me, almost curiously.

Our next couple of times hanging out were kind of weird.

I felt bad for some reason. Really bad. So I did something that I had never at that point, done for another chick. (Especially one I hadn't banged)

I apologized. I looked straight at her and said I was sorry and I meant it. I don't know why I meant it but I did.

A few more study dates, and a lunch or two went by and we were sitting across from each other at the commons. There was hardly anyone else there, and she looks up and sighs.

She slowly closes her book. She reaches across the table and closes my book. She then crossed her arms and slowly leaned forward 'til her elbows touch the table and says:

Did you ever kiss her or talk about wanting to kiss her?

[XingTheRubicon]

Did you ever kiss her or talk about wanting to kiss her?

Never even held her hand. I talked her about it and hinted about a "date" several times and she just looked uncomfortable so I backed off.

One thing I was able to do after she cut me loose, was something that I still don't know if she accepted or not.

She LOVED Anne Rice (the author), I mean LOVED Anne Rice, read all of her books and Rice even lived in New Orleans. Anne had a house in the garden district and had parties there from time to time.
A very good degenerate friend of mine was from N.O. and his old man could get invites to anything (including the Super Bowl!). So I had him get me an extra ticket to some type of fancy pants party at Rice's.

To this day, I don't know if she attended. Nor do I know if she knows I gave it to her.


Last sentence she said to me was: "go get laid and enjoy your life."


I've tried to honor her wishes.

[olevetonahill]

Never even held her hand. I talked her about it and hinted about a "date" several times and she just looked uncomfortable so I backed off.

One thing I was able to do after she cut me loose, was something that I still don't know if she accepted or not.

She LOVED Anne Rice (the author), I mean LOVED Anne Rice, read all of her books and Rice even lived in New Orleans. Anne had a house in the garden district and had parties there from time to time.
A very good degenerate friend of mine was from N.O. and his old man could get invites to anything (including the Super Bowl!). So I had him get me an extra ticket to some type of fancy pants party at Rice's.

To this day, I don't know if she attended. Nor do I know if she knows I gave it to her.


Last sentence she said to me was: "go get laid and enjoy your life."


I've tried to honor her wishes.
So I guess gettin a BJ from her was out the question?

[KantoSooner]

"go get laid and enjoy your life."


I've never read a more heart breaking story. I actually wept at that final line. Worthy of Tolstoy, at least. In fact, I think Leo ended 'War and Peace' with precisely that line.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

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[12]

If a female teacher finds herself attracted to 14-year-old boys, then she should find another line of work, even if the boy returns the feelings. Why? It is illegal for her to have sex with him. It is a crime. Period. If she is unwilling to control herself, the skank should rot in jail.

Clearly, you were never a 14-year-old boy.

[MsProudSooner]

Clearly, you were never a 14-year-old boy.

All the more reason the teacher should control herself or rot in jail.

[olevetonahill]

All the more reason the teacher should control herself or rot in jail.
Yea, Dayum them Teachers that will make a 14 year old boy think he done Died and went to Heaven
Dayum them to hell I say

[cccasooner2]

19 days old to 4 yrs old is in another arena. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48502531/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/vast-international-child-porn-network-uncovered/