How much do you really know about this Health care deal?

[olevetonahill]

Be honest, Take this quiz and tell us yer score
I got 3 right answered 3 I dont know and the other were just wrong

http://healthreform.kff.org/quizzes/health-reform-quiz.aspx

[Sooner5030]

I got 9/10. missed the one about medicare coverage cuts.

[olevetonahill]

I got 9/10. missed the one about medicare coverage cuts.
You've paid Mo Tention to this than I have.. good jorb.

[okie52]

70%

[olevetonahill]

This is why i dont argue about it. Cause I dont know **** about it.

[okie52]

Heh...I guessed right on some answers instead of choosing don't know

[olevetonahill]

Heh...I guessed right on some answers instead of choosing don't know
If I dint think i knew I answered aint got a ****in clue
I totally missed 4 with wrong answers :watermelon:

[pphilfran]

9

[cleller]

I got 8 out of 10, but I feel #5 is misleading. I knew about the exchanges, but thought that wouldn't be counted as "financial assistance"; figured they meant direct cash payments.

[Sooner5030]

I think many are curious as to how it will be enforced. Not every detail is included in the ACA as the agency is provided some wiggle room on how to develop regulations and rules to support the bill. Back in another life I remember that if your income was below a certain level you didn't have to file taxes (i think $800 back in the 80s). Most now days file anyway to get EIC but if you're someone that has no income (not even UE, welfare and SNAP) there is not a system to ensure that you file federal income taxes. In fact by law I don't think you are required to.....will the ACA change this?

again I haven't practiced accounting in over 13 years and I only studied taxes enough to pass that portion of the CPA exam.

[cleller]

I think many are curious as to how it will be enforced. Not every detail is included in the ACA as the agency is provided some wiggle room on how to develop regulations and rules to support the bill. Back in another life I remember that if your income was below a certain level you didn't have to file taxes (i think $800 back in the 80s). Most now days file anyway to get EIC but if you're someone that has no income (not even UE, welfare and SNAP) there is not a system to ensure that you file federal income taxes. In fact by law I don't think you are required to.....will the ACA change this?

That's our tax system for ya. Confusing even to a CPA.

again I haven't practiced accounting in over 13 years and I only studied taxes enough to pass that portion of the CPA exam.


That's our tax system for ya. Murky even to a CPA.

[rock on sooner]

Best I can tell, I'm the only one so far that hit 10 for 10,
survey said better that 99.6% of Americans. Not bragging
at all, but I believe if people understand the ACA's intent,
realizing that short term cost WILL rise but, long term nearly
everyone will benefit and costs will come into line as participation
increases then I think we'll all be healthier. (no, I haven't read
all 2700 pages.)

[REDREX]

Best I can tell, I'm the only one so far that hit 10 for 10,
survey said better that 99.6% of Americans. Not bragging
at all, but I believe if people understand the ACA's intent,
realizing that short term cost WILL rise but, long term nearly
everyone will benefit and costs will come into line as participation
increases then I think we'll all be healthier. (no, I haven't read
all 2700 pages.)---This will turn out to be another poorly run Gov't program-----Please tell me how well run Medicare and Medicade are ? This new program will be just as big of a costly mess

[rock on sooner]

---This will turn out to be another poorly run Gov't program-----Please tell me how well run Medicare and Medicade are ? This new program will be just as big of a costly mess

No quarrel here about poorly managed programs. My solution to
rescuing Medicare/Medicaid has been before and now to create
50 federally empowered "scrub" teams, one for each state, that
go in and ferret out the fraud and abuse in the systems and proscecute
the offenders to the fullest extent. As to the waste, that's where
the bureaucracy needs to revisit itself. Pipedream? Prolly, but
the scrub teams could go along way toward helping the programs
stay solvent. (Create a bunch of jobs, too, senior citizens would
be ideal.)

[LiveLaughLove]

No quarrel here about poorly managed programs. My solution to
rescuing Medicare/Medicaid has been before and now to create
50 federally empowered "scrub" teams, one for each state, that
go in and ferret out the fraud and abuse in the systems and proscecute
the offenders to the fullest extent. As to the waste, that's where
the bureaucracy needs to revisit itself. Pipedream? Prolly, but
the scrub teams could go along way toward helping the programs
stay solvent. (Create a bunch of jobs, too, senior citizens would
be ideal.)

Not saying whether your idea is a good one or not, but interestingly, your solution to poorly run government is more government. That undoubtedly would be poorly run.

[REDREX]

No quarrel here about poorly managed programs. My solution to
rescuing Medicare/Medicaid has been before and now to create
50 federally empowered "scrub" teams, one for each state, that
go in and ferret out the fraud and abuse in the systems and proscecute
the offenders to the fullest extent. As to the waste, that's where
the bureaucracy needs to revisit itself. Pipedream? Prolly, but
the scrub teams could go along way toward helping the programs
stay solvent. (Create a bunch of jobs, too, senior citizens would
be ideal.)---Why not clean it up 30 years ago ? The Fraud in Medicare is much more than the profit of all the large insurance companies-----COMBINED---- http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/03/04/private-insurer-profits-13-billion-medicare-fraud-48-billion-health-reform-priceless/&sa=U&ei=xZ3wT-OMJue62wWh-5yIAg&ved=0CBYQFjAC&sig2=C_c9vu_ycaT6qSOh6OTrMw&usg=AFQjCNF9rSzXbFKR8S9d-d7mf1Aw2-ecZw

[rock on sooner]

Not saying whether your idea is a good one or not, but interestingly, your solution to poorly run government is more government. That undoubtedly would be poorly run.

I'm all ears if you have a better solution! At least, there is an idea for solving
a problem. If not the government, then who? The states? The issue there, I
believe, is that there would be 50 different approaches, some better, some not.
I believe the approach needs to be standardized. Since the programs are federal
and offenders would be penalized federally, then the program should be run
federally. Again, give me a better, workable solution...Triple L. That has been
the issue with most everything I hear from the Right...lots of complaints but
no solutions.

[rock on sooner]

---Why not clean it up 30 years ago ? The Fraud in Medicare is much more than the profit of all the large insurance companies-----COMBINED----http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/03/04/private-insurer-profits-13-billion-medicare-fraud-48-billion-health-reform-priceless/

Agreed! Who was in office in 1982?

[REDREX]

Agreed! Who was in office in 1982?---OK 35 years ago the point is that the Gov't is the worst way to solve a problem of this type-----------I thought the ACA was to cut costs-----WRONG-----It was to give more Gov't supplied coverage paid for by taxpayers

[olevetonahill]

Come on guys , this thread is about how much you know or think you know about this program. Take yer fixin thots to the Offishual thread ok ?

[rock on sooner]

---OK 35 years ago the point is that the Gov't is the worst way to solve a problem of this type-----------I thought the AFA was to cut costs-----WRONG-----It was to give more Gov't supplied coverage paid for by taxpayers

Do you mean the ACA? As I mentioned in an earlier post, the costs will
come in line as participation increases. As to paid by taxpayers, you are
correct. The system heretofore has not worked, costs are heading out
of sight, still some 40 million or so using ER services for health care. Who
ultimately pays for that? This is one way to make it more equitable and
more inclusive. Certainly not perfect. Still waiting for a better solution
from anyone.

[rock on sooner]

Come on guys , this thread is about how much you know or think you know about this program. Take yer fixin thots to the Offishual thread ok ?

Sorry, Vet, I'll shut now.

[SoonerBread]

6 up, 4 down.

[olevetonahill]

Sorry, Vet, I'll shut now.

Not a prob Bro
Its just theres already a thread to discuss the merits or lack thereof of this Bill
I was curious how much folk debating it really knew and found this little quiz

[stoopified]

All I need to know about Obamacare is not a single member of Congress when polled would trade their current government healthplan for Obamacare. To me that speaks for iyself ,LOUDLY.

[olevetonahill]

I answered 9 of 10 correct, but I contend that I am correct on the one I missed. Maybe the quiz wasn't taking the scotus opinion into account.

It was written wellbefore then.

[Ton Loc]

9/10 - missed question #4. I barely pay attention to this crap and could care less about what I do, but most of those questions were the highlights from the ACA everyone has been complaining/discussing. I'll continue to stay out of the discussions.

[Midtowner]

All I need to know about Obamacare is not a single member of Congress when polled would trade their current government healthplan for Obamacare. To me that speaks for iyself ,LOUDLY.

Shows that you've been dipping into the koolaid. Every member of Congress will be subject to the same rules as everyone else. Since they already have healthcare though, they won't have to pay the penalty.

There is no health plan called ObamaCare.

[marfacowboy]

All I know is Obama (as expected) stole the plan from the Republicans and Romney and the Democrats are now trying to take credit for it. Apparently, the plan worked in Massachusetts.But that's just like those dad-gum Republicans. Trying to help the less fortunate and force people to take personal responsibility!

[XingTheRubicon]

It's not so much to know about the ACA "plan" but to know the clientele using the plan.

Universal health care works marginally ok in Canada, and Canada is full of hard working, honest citizens (for the most part). The US, however, is seething with the largest collection of entitled pieces of **** the world has ever known. A health care plan that will adequately provide for 300 million of our current type of US citizens does not, and will not ever exist.

Before it gets better, the bottom 5% have to die. Out in the streets, in front of everyone, the bottom 5% have to starve to death, dysentery, etc. Then the bottom 40% will have to watch it happen and change their thinking. At that point, people will look at any type of job offer in a different light and an opportunity to save rather than buying rims or Tony Stewart hats. Until then, we'll just be circling the drain arguing over limits on health insurance increases and penalty/taxes on **** that won't fix ****.

[marfacowboy]

It's not so much to know about the ACA "plan" but to know the clientele using the plan.

Universal health care works marginally ok in Canada, and Canada is full of hard working, honest citizens (for the most part). The US, however, is seething with the largest collection of entitled pieces of **** the world has ever known. A health care plan that will adequately provide for 300 million of our current type of US citizens does not, and will not ever exist.

Before it gets better, the bottom 5% have to die. Out in the streets, in front of everyone, the bottom 5% have to starve to death, dysentery, etc. Then the bottom 40% will have to watch it happen and change their thinking.

I'm not sure it's possible to provide adequate health care for 300 million people, either. Public, private, combination, etc. Probably doesn't matter. There's too many ****ing people. Cities packed to the gills. Getting healthcare is just the tip of the iceberg. Wait until people start running out of water.
Like I said earlier, the Sioux were known to occasionally leave their sick on the side of the trail to die. It's interesting to contrast some pre-contact American Indian societies with our own. Many were highly socialist, matriarchal societies, but at the end of the day, there was no free lunch. You contributed to the community or you were ostracized or left to die.
We of course think of ourselves as so much more "civilized" than the Comanche or the Sioux, but in some ways, we're even more barbaric.

[badger]

I got 9 out of 10. The one I got wrong:


Will the health reform law create a new government run insurance plan to be offered along with private plans?
I answered yes, the correct answer is no. I guess I read the question wrong or something.

[olevetonahill]

I got 9 out of 10. The one I got wrong:


I answered yes, the correct answer is no. I guess I read the question wrong or something.

Hon , I aint no genius er nuthin but MY best guess is ya just answered it wrong :cheerful:

[rock on sooner]

I genuinely believe that maximum participation is the key.
That's what Ro**** said. It ain't perfect but sure as hell
better than earlier. 40 million people w/o is inexcusable
in this country.

[rock on sooner]

Sorry again, Vet, I got carried away. I'll go get another
beer.

[olevetonahill]

Sorry again, Vet, I got carried away. I'll go get another
beer.

Grab me one while yer up
Hell it dont matter anyway these heathens jack a thread 3 ways to Sunday any how,

[diverdog]

---This will turn out to be another poorly run Gov't program-----Please tell me how well run Medicare and Medicade are ? This new program will be just as big of a costly mess

Explain to me how Medicare is poorly run. There is not another insurance company on the planet that would take on the risk that Medicare/Medicaid takes on. The cost per individual since 1970 has risen slower with Medicare than it has with private insurance. 8.8% vs 9.9%

Yes the cost are higher but they are insuring pools of elderly and the poor.


http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/downloads/tables.pdf

[soonercoop1]

7 out of 10...Kaiser Foundation is unbiased...HAHA...some of those questions were worded as half-truths...

[soonercoop1]

Originally Posted by diverdog
Explain to me how Medicare is poorly run. There is not another insurance company on the planet that would take on the risk that Medicare/Medicaid takes on. The cost per individual since 1970 has risen slower with Medicare than it has with private insurance. 8.8% vs 9.9%

Yes the cost are higher but they are insuring pools of elderly and the poor.


http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statisti...ads/tables.pdf

~$25 trillion in unfunded liabilities to start...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-06-06-us-debt-chart-medicare-social-security_n.htm