jenny

[KantoSooner]

Well, it's said that a person should know their own limitations. Now we have an excellent example.

Noted medical researcher and autism expert, Jenny McCarthy, has apparently decided that she's going to give up flogging unfounded speculation as medical fact (with a tinge of 'coverup' about it, ooooooooo) (thus endangering, quite literally, millions of kids around the world) and go back to that in which she truly is an expert: taking off her clothes, exposing her privates and lolling in front of cameras.

Good call Jen. We can tell you're back in your intellectual comfort zone.

[nighttrain12]

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/LrchXKT8jgbhM8_ZiHL1Sg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD02MDc7cT04NTt3PTQ2Nw--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/USWeekly/1340636349_jenny-mccarthy-article.jpg

[Breadburner]

Dumb Yainch...

[olevetonahill]

Dumb Yainch...
Maybe, But you'd Hit it and you know it.

[jk the sooner fan]

she's the mother of an autistic child - i dont know how much experience any of you have with that sort of thing - but i'd give her the edge over most other folks when it comes to knowing a lil something about autism

her crusade to blame autism on child vaccinations is a bit crazy - but she's passionate about finding a cause/cure - kinda hard to blame her for that imo

but to the topic at hand

yes i would...like she owed me money

[olevetonahill]

With all 3 of my Ex wives watchin .

[KantoSooner]

JK, suffering and caring and being passionately involved in something do not equal any particular knowledge whatsoever.
Her little jihad against vaccinations was wrongheaded from the get go and has resulted in a dangerous upswing in parents not vaccinating their kids for easily eliminated childhood diseases. She is directly and personally responsible for the deaths of kids every year.
She had a concern, she raised it, it was shot down by every researcher who touched the issue...and then she continued on, using the bully pulpet her 'celebrity' had granted her, to encourage the stupid or gullible to put their kids at risk.
Her actions are without excuse.

[olevetonahill]

JK, suffering and caring and being passionately involved in something do not equal any particular knowledge whatsoever.
Her little jihad against vaccinations was wrongheaded from the get go and has resulted in a dangerous upswing in parents not vaccinating their kids for easily eliminated childhood diseases. She is directly and personally responsible for the deaths of kids every year.
She had a concern, she raised it, it was shot down by every researcher who touched the issue...and then she continued on, using the bully pulpet her 'celebrity' had granted her, to encourage the stupid or gullible to put their kids at risk.
Her actions are without excuse.

But I'd still hit it.

[jk the sooner fan]

Her actions are without excuse.

you lost me with this last statement - she did (apparently) what she believed to be right - based out of love for her child

she isnt the first person to crusade against vaccinations - there have been many before her

i dont begrudge her for doing what she thought was right -and if there were people that followed her - then shame on them for following a blonde bimbo

but your overall point is well taken - i understand where you're coming from

[KantoSooner]

Jk, I'm not attacking you. I have not yet found an adequate way of talking about this, but there seems to be a tie between the whole 1960's-born 'question authority' ethos, and the democratization of knowledge of both the post WWII college boom and the internet .... and the equation of any couch riding slacker's incoherent thoughts with those of people who've spent decades studying an issue and testing their ideas and theories against equally qualified peers.

Not all ideas or theories are equal. Like the teacher said in the commencement speech, not all of us are special.

It does not diminish my worth as a human being one iota to proclaim, loudly, that I know not one word of Urdu. Or that I am a horrible car mechanic. Or that I don't know much about nuclear engineering, or, really, anything at all about the fly-by-wire system used in Airbus aircraft.

What possesses some people to imagine that they, alone among the human race, have somehow, without any particular effort whatsoever, gained insight that has escaped others who've devoted their lives to studying the same issue?

But, yeah, I'd hit it.

[jk the sooner fan]

people are crazy.......and stuff

i didnt think you were attacking me at all - just two fellas having a conversation!

your question though - is a good one - i think that as a celebrity - she feels like she has the right (as most of them do) to espouse their knowledge on any given range of topics - all with their typical high school diploma.....add in the 24 hour news cycle and the need to make a media circus out of anything hollyweird is doing - and she has her very own platform, agenda, free microphones, air time, etc etc - and it becomes its own perpetual device

[C&CDean]

In short, people are stupid.

[achiro]

I think you might be surprised by how much she knows about the topic.
On the research front, you have to remember that research costs money, pharma has big money so the majority of the research done on the topic is paid for by those that need specific outcomes. They are not going to pay for research that could show their product in a bad light. There are a few places that are looking at connections between autism and vaccines but the money pools much smaller so it's pretty tough to get it done.

[KantoSooner]

Achiro, with all due respect, this topic has been looked to death. 'Big Pharma' has money, but so do the myriad groups, mostly self appointed, who act as 'watchdogs'. So far, NO ONE has come up with even a promising link between vaccinating your kids and them developing autism.

There are two points here:

1. Vaccination has all but eliminated diseases that used to kill and injure for like a significant portion of children.

2. Proving something in science requires an absolute demonstration through both experimentation and production of an explanation regarding the mechanism that explains the evidence. This is very hard to do in the negative. All you really can do is to say that the vast weight of evidence indicates that vaccination is safe and effective. To which, the voodoo vendors will smirk and start implying that this lack of 100% certainty has some sinister significance.

Do you honestly believe that major corporations, in today's world, would knowingly induce autism in X% of the nation's infants? Really? You have far more respect for the swashbuckling aspect of corporate capitalism than I. I see a bunch of frightened accountants rather than raging corporate cowboys at the helms of 'Big Pharma'.

[achiro]

Achiro, with all due respect, this topic has been looked to death. 'Big Pharma' has money, but so do the myriad groups, mostly self appointed, who act as 'watchdogs'. So far, NO ONE has come up with even a promising link between vaccinating your kids and them developing autism.

Actually there are a few ties. Right now there workings with the Demylenation(or lack of protection around the nerves against the toxins in a vaccine) of the nerves in the brain that are showing some promising information.



1. Vaccination has all but eliminated diseases that used to kill and injure for like a significant portion of children. this just isn't all that true.


2. Proving something in science requires an absolute demonstration through both experimentation and production of an explanation regarding the mechanism that explains the evidence. This is very hard to do in the negative. All you really can do is to say that the vast weight of evidence indicates that vaccination is safe and effective. To which, the voodoo vendors will smirk and start implying that this lack of 100% certainty has some sinister significance.
You are right to an extent here but the real argument is between the idea that they are safe and effective and what the actual data(not that done by the pharma industry) is showing. By biggest question has always been that if they really work, all a pharma company has to do is compare vaccinated vs unvaccinated kids but they haven't done it(at least released the info). All the surveys that have been done though, close to 50,000 unvaccinated kids, have shown a huge decrease in the numbers of affected kids.

Do you honestly believe that major corporations, in today's world, would knowingly induce autism in X% of the nation's infants? Really? You have far more respect for the swashbuckling aspect of corporate capitalism than I. I see a bunch of frightened accountants rather than raging corporate cowboys at the helms of 'Big Pharma'.
Some former employees of Merck have filed a lawsuit alleging that Merck hid a bunch of stuff in regards to vaccines. So yes, I do believe that the bottom line would prevent a corp from doing a study that just might prove that they are doing harm.

[KantoSooner]

Oakey Dokey,
I consider your position a rejection of approximately the last 75 years of scientific medicine, but you are, I guess, entitled to it.

Please do recognize my right to protect my kids by isolating your little disease vectors from public places.

Cheers

[achiro]

Oakey Dokey,
I consider your position a rejection of approximately the last 75 years of scientific medicine, but you are, I guess, entitled to it. I'm pretty sure that 75 years ago smoking was considered safe. You can be a sheeple if you want but IMO if we don't question science we will never make improvements on what we have now. I am 100% sure that in the future, medical recomendations for certain conditions will be much different than they are today.


Please do recognize my right to protect my kids by isolating your little disease vectors from public places.

Cheers
Statistically your vaccinated kids have a better chance of getting sick than an unvaccinated child. Besides, if the vaccinations really work then why would you have anything to worry about? ;)

Here's all I am saying. It is ignorant to claim that a person that doesn't vaccinate their kids did it because they are stupid, uneducated, or whatever other negative you want to throw out there. Every parent I have ever met that made the decision not to vaccinate knew an incredible amount of information on the topic and didn't take the decision lightly.

[nighttrain12]

I can't believe all this talk about what Jenaynay SAYS and very little about how hot she still looks.

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lb/leather_meets_lace_051008/jenny_mccarthy_2107108.jpg

[olevetonahill]

I can't believe all this talk about what Jenaynay SAYS and very little about how hot she still looks.


Sackery. I dont wanta TALK to the bitch I just want to **** her.

[KantoSooner]

Baaaaaa, baaaaaaaa,

<following the advice of 100% of non-insane doctors, just like the little sheepie I am>

[badger]

The way I, as a new mother, see it:

Vaccines save lives.

Not having vaccines puts lives at risk.

I do not know if vaccinations cause autism or not, but if they do, then we are given the choice between a living child with autism, or a dead child.

I do not think that vaccines cause autism, but I sympathize with parents who deal with autistic children.

I choose to vaccinate baby badger, because even if it gives her autism, I want her to live. The first time she showed an inch of sickness (stuffy nose) I just about started crying. So, I can't imagine how I'd feel if she died due to not being vaccinated. :(

[jk the sooner fan]

The way I, as a new mother, see it:

Vaccines save lives.

Not having vaccines puts lives at risk.

I do not know if vaccinations cause autism or not, but if they do, then we are given the choice between a living child with autism, or a dead child.

I do not think that vaccines cause autism, but I sympathize with parents who deal with autistic children.

way to go Col Jessup!!!!!!

[badger]

way to go Col Jessup!!!!!!

You see jk, I can deal with the bullets, and the bombs, and the blood. I don't want money, and I don't want medals. What I do want is for you to stand there in that white uniform and with your Harvard mouth extend me some courtesy. :P

[KantoSooner]

Thanks, Badger for acting on the collective wisdom of the world's doctors. Hope your kiddo has a long and healthy life.

[OULenexaman]

Is it my turn yet?

[olevetonahill]

Is it my turn yet?

You wantin to be poked in the ***?

[jk the sooner fan]

You see jk, I can deal with the bullets, and the bombs, and the blood. I don't want money, and I don't want medals. What I do want is for you to stand there in that white uniform and with your Harvard mouth extend me some courtesy. :P

faggoty white - dont go all PC just because you're on the internet

[badger]

I don't use that language even in quotations. Or the Intraweb.

[OULenexaman]

You wantin to be poked in the ***? no.......I wanna hit jenny.

[olevetonahill]

no.......I wanna hit jenny.
OH so you wantin sloppy seconds then. Ok

[jk the sooner fan]

somebody has to be second

[Wishboned]

When I saw the title on this thread the first thing that came to my mind was 867-5309.





And yes, I would hit it.

[rock on sooner]

With all 3 of my Ex wives watchin .

"3!" Dayum, Vet, you wuz a slow learner!:cheerful:

[Soonerwake]

somebody has to be second

I have a feeling that second has already happened.. And third, fourth, fifth....4,123,234th....

[olevetonahill]

"3!" Dayum, Vet, you wuz a slow learner!:cheerful:

Tell me. Took me 2 weeks to learn to STFU about where i'd been for 2 years back in 70

[rock on sooner]

Tell me. Took me 2 weeks to learn to STFU about where i'd been for 2 years back in 70

Well, sometimes they just don't understand....

[SicEmBaylor]

her crusade to blame autism on child vaccinations is a bit crazy - but she's passionate about finding a cause/cure - kinda hard to blame her for that imo

Hard? It's not hard for me at all. It's very easy to blame her for encouraging parents to put their children at risk because of a nutty unproven, undocumented, and unsubstantiated theory that vaccinations are a cause of autism. Which, even if in rare case they're a contributing factor, the real and legitimate benefits of vaccinations far outweigh the potential (if there are any) risks.

[achiro]

The way I, as a new mother, see it:

Vaccines save lives.

Not having vaccines puts lives at risk.

I do not know if vaccinations cause autism or not, but if they do, then we are given the choice between a living child with autism, or a dead child.

I do not think that vaccines cause autism, but I sympathize with parents who deal with autistic children.

I choose to vaccinate baby badger, because even if it gives her autism, I want her to live. The first time she showed an inch of sickness (stuffy nose) I just about started crying. So, I can't imagine how I'd feel if she died due to not being vaccinated. :(
This entire post just cracked me up, you know 'cause having your first child makes you an expert on everything and stuff. The idea that the choice is between autism or death is beyond ignorance. The idea that a child will die if they are not vaccinated is silly at best. In fact if we are using silly math as our arguments, I'll just say that a lot more kids die every year from getting vaccines in this country than those who do not get vaccinated die of these so called deadly diseases.
Oh and although sicems post above tries to say that there are no dangers to vaccines it is undisputed that there are dangers up to and including death. The question is do the benefits outweigh those risks.

[badger]

Don't expect me to see things clearly. These eyes have not had a full night's sleep in months.

[KantoSooner]

Hey Achiro,
When making tinfoil hats, do you leave the shiny side mostly 'out' or 'in'? Thought you'd be able to advise.
Cheers!

[achiro]

Hey Achiro,
When making tinfoil hats, do you leave the shiny side mostly 'out' or 'in'? Thought you'd be able to advise.
Cheers!
So I guess we're now at the "insult the other guy since I don't have any actually knowledge to back up my opinion" part.

[KantoSooner]

Oh, hell, let's debate nerve channel linings or whatever....something neither you, nor I know jack about, champ.
And that's the point: people who know nothing should at some point pipe down and let the overwhelming majority of specialist opinion settle the issue.
But hey, given the choice between The Mayo Clinic, every Med School faculty in the country AND the yahoo who wrote the only article connecting vaccinations to autism and now says, 'Oops, I ****ed up and was wrong', on the one side vs. an aging pinup model with lots o' passion and not a technical degree or any 'book learnin' more than an aggressive reading list to her name, let's somehow stretch and haul concepts of fairplay into putting the bimbo on the same footing with the specialists.

Makes sense to me.

is it so hard to back away from the relativist/conspiracy theory thought patterns?

[achiro]

Oh, hell, let's debate nerve channel linings or whatever....something neither you, nor I know jack about, champ.
You may not know anything about nerves but it's pretty much what I do for a living...champ.

And that's the point: people who know nothing should at some point pipe down and let the overwhelming majority of specialist opinion settle the issue.
But hey, given the choice between The Mayo Clinic, every Med School faculty in the country AND the yahoo who wrote the only article connecting vaccinations to autism and now says, 'Oops, I ****ed up and was wrong', on the one side vs. an aging pinup model with lots o' passion and not a technical degree or any 'book learnin' more than an aggressive reading list to her name, let's somehow stretch and haul concepts of fairplay into putting the bimbo on the same footing with the specialists.

Makes sense to me.

is it so hard to back away from the relativist/conspiracy theory thought patterns?
I think you might be shocked at how many MDs, DOs, and other specialists have chosen not to vaccinate their children. Not wackos but mainstream docs. I know specifically of at least two pediatricians in Tulsa that don't vaccinate their own kids that have huge practices. I read the other day that Dr Oz decided not to vaccinate his kids against some things. As time goes on and we learn more about them, more and more knowledgable folks are making the choice not to.

[soonerhubs]

I would love to read the peer reviewed journal articles that provide evidence of a causal link between vaccinations and ASD.

From my limited research the conclusions drawn from the anti-vaccination crusade are based on very flawed logic. In the social sciences field, we have to know our statistics, so I can say that the statistics "showing" that vaccines cause ASD and other problems are misinterpreted.

Correlation does not imply causation. In fact, in order to have valid causal evidence you must have three things: An accurate statistically significant (and substantial) relationship, the case for temporal precedence, and the elimination of all other plausible confounds. I only see McCarthy et al., pimping correlation at best and flawed anectdotes at worst.

By the same logic of this crowd, we should cancel all sales of ice cream because as Ice Cream Sales increase Heat Stroke rates also jump. Bad science is bad science, and it's a shame that morons with a bit of fame and some passion get to misinform the masses while herd immunity continues to diminish.

There's a large group in this generation so full of stupid that it's not even funny. By stupid, I mean that they blatantly reject honest research, even when it's right in their face. I'm half the mind to think that what ever mental condition Jenny's son may have could have been inherited from his imbecile of a mother.

In the mean time, boycott Ice Cream and lets see the heat strokes diminish! :)

[soonerhubs]

If Red Measles cases increase in this country, you have one large group to blame, and it starts with those who have no clue in hell what they are talking about regarding causal inferences.

Maybe some of those yahoos need to experience a third world country. They don't remember what it was like to have Polio. You know... when folks would wake up paralyzed, spend months (if not years) in an iron lung, and have relapses in the latter part of their lives.

[achiro]

I would love to read the peer reviewed journal articles that provide evidence of a causal link between vaccinations and ASD.

From my limited research the conclusions drawn from the anti-vaccination crusade are based on very flawed logic. In the social sciences field, we have to know our statistics, so I can say that the statistics "showing" that vaccines cause ASD and other problems are misinterpreted.

Correlation does not imply causation. In fact, in order to have valid causal evidence you must have three things: An accurate statistically significant (and substantial) relationship, the case for temporal precedence, and the elimination of all other plausible confounds. I only see McCarthy et al., pimping correlation at best and flawed anectdotes at worst.

By the same logic of this crowd, we should cancel all sales of ice cream because as Ice Cream Sales increase Heat Stroke rates also jump. Bad science is bad science, and it's a shame that morons with a bit of fame and some passion get to misinform the masses while herd immunity continues to diminish.

There's a large group in this generation so full of stupid that it's not even funny. By stupid, I mean that they blatantly reject honest research, even when it's right in their face. I'm half the mind to think that what ever mental condition Jenny's son may have could have been inherited from his imbecile of a mother.

In the mean time, boycott Ice Cream and lets see the heat strokes diminish! :)
If your standards of research were actually used we would have few drugs or vaccines to choose from, limited medical procedures, and pretty much no treatments available. We would all like to think that the stuff that is given to us or done to us had thorough research behind it but truth be told, very little of it actually does. The peer review system has become a joke with the amount of money involved and even the FDA is in on the money trail when approving drugs.

Look I've never said that vaccines cause autism but I wouldn't rule it out and I certainly think there is a relationship there. I actually think there are multiple factors involved but to completly discount a tie with vaccines based on what we know for sure is putting your head in the sand and hoping for the best.
When 1 in 54 boys and 1 in 88 kids have autism, we better start looking at everything we can instead of insulting folks with a different point of view than ours.

[pphilfran]

I am with achiro on this....

It wouldn't surprise me if there is the possibility of a slight risk..

The risks are so small the overall benefit far outweighs the risk...

Those rates are staggering...and growing fast....

[soonerhubs]

If your standards of research were actually used we would have few drugs or vaccines to choose from, limited medical procedures, and pretty much no treatments available. We would all like to think that the stuff that is given to us or done to us had thorough research behind it but truth be told, very little of it actually does. The peer review system has become a joke with the amount of money involved and even the FDA is in on the money trail when approving drugs.

Look I've never said that vaccines cause autism but I wouldn't rule it out and I certainly think there is a relationship there. I actually think there are multiple factors involved but to completly discount a tie with vaccines based on what we know for sure is putting your head in the sand and hoping for the best.
When 1 in 54 boys and 1 in 88 kids have autism, we better start looking at everything we can instead of insulting folks with a different point of view than ours.

With all due respect Achiro, this is more than a difference of a opinion. This is an issue of folks ignoring the advances of Western medicine. Also, I'm sure there's plenty of money to be made, no matter the direction of the propaganda.

Sure clinical trials have their limitations, but they provide much more rigorous evidence supporting the prevention of a numerous amount of diseases that can be life-threatening. I would happily put my trust in epidemiologists who actually research these areas versus the junk science being thrown at us by folks who attend a seminar or "researched" a topic on the web. (I am not implying that you are one of these folks.)

Just because someone makes a large amount of money creating a miracle cure, doesn't mean that the cure is no less effective. Also, don't you think there would be astronomical amounts of litigation if "Pharma" based their research on bad science?

Does the FDA make mistakes? Sure, but again, it's much more rigorous than the alternative.

I would like to read the research article describing your suggested demylenation effect. Is it available online? Was it a clinical trial? I honestly want to know. I'm open to reading it.

[Jacie]

Is this the evolution vs. creationism thread?

[olevetonahill]

Is this the evolution vs. creationism thread?

I thot it was the " Who would Hit it" Thread

[soonerhubs]

I'll bat on the comment about you doing this for a living. Are you a neurologist?

Here's a link to numerous studies conducted by many different groups (including independent ones): http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf/CDCStudiesonVaccinesandAutism.pdf

[mrssoonerhubler]

I don't care what ANY of you say. Jenny IS the authority on vaccines. Just look at her boobs... I mean research-based evidence.

[mrssoonerhubler]

Also, Dr. Oz diagnosed me with ADD while watching Oprah! He's the best and NOT a sell-out at all.

[olevetonahill]

Also, Dr. Oz diagnosed me with ADD while watching Oprah! He's the best and NOT a sell-out at all.
But do you have Big Boobs?

[achiro]

With all due respect Achiro, this is more than a difference of a opinion. This is an issue of folks ignoring the advances of Western medicine.
I dont think most are ignoring them at all. I do think that critical thinking is a good thing and that if you really start looking at it, there are some huge flaws in reality vs what we are told. Wouldn't you agree that with all the "advances", research, and money involved that the US would rank at the top when it comes to health care? Problem is we don't even rank in the top ten.





Also, I'm sure there's plenty of money to be made, no matter the direction of the propaganda.
I'd be willing to bet that the big pharma has a whole lot more to gain and lose.




Just because someone makes a large amount of money creating a miracle cure, doesn't mean that the cure is no less effective. Also, don't you think there would be astronomical amounts of litigation if "Pharma" based their research on bad science?
Look up the national Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986. Parents can't sue the pharma companies.




I would like to read the research article describing your suggested demylenation effect. Is it available online? Was it a clinical trial? I honestly want to know. I'm open to reading it.
I'll see what I can find for you. Like I said though, right now it just looks to be some promising info that needs further study.

[soonerhubs]

Also, Dr. Oz diagnosed me with ADD while watching Oprah! He's the best and NOT a sell-out at all.
But do you have Big Boobs?

...

[olevetonahill]

...

:cheerful:

[mrssoonerhubler]

:cheerful:

http://youtu.be/BL2PicT9Kng

[olevetonahill]

http://youtu.be/BL2PicT9Kng

Heh. Good jorb .

[nighttrain12]

Time for break with this picture interlude:

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9600000/Jenny-McCarthy-jenny-mccarthy-9676972-1024-768.jpg

[nighttrain12]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Nr-UnDkyWqA/T28NBNHe2tI/AAAAAAAAAks/JGv2_NUbSwU/s1600/65ba912b_jenny_mccarthy_36-1024.jpeg

[nighttrain12]

I'd love to see these two going at full blown lesbo! Jenny with Carmen Electra!


http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1410173440/nm0001182

[KantoSooner]

I feel somehow calm and vindicated when Dr. Oz is trotted out as some sort of expert in opposition.

I mean, when I'm looking for cutting edge medical research, I always turn immediately to the OWN. Where else would an intellectually questing mind go?

[C&CDean]

I have a grandson with autism. I do not take flu vaccines. This yainch is kinda hot in a skanky kinda way. Cause? Correlation?

[OULenexaman]

OH so you wantin sloppy seconds then. Ok nothing sloopy about the part jenny aint been hit at yet.....

[olevetonahill]

nothing sloopy about the part jenny aint been hit at yet.....
And just what part would that be?

[mrssoonerhubler]

I feel somehow calm and vindicated when Dr. Oz is trotted out as some sort of expert in opposition.

I mean, when I'm looking for cutting edge medical research, I always turn immediately to the OWN. Where else would an intellectually questing mind go?

Playboy?

[KantoSooner]

Damn, forgot about the 'Advisor' section.

Good catch.

[mrssoonerhubler]

Damn, forgot about the 'Advisor' section.

Good catch.

Fact. Silicone and Botox use while pregnant has just as much of a potential to cause autism as vaccines.

That's research I just made up for this post. Trust me, I'm an expert. I've googled it.

[KantoSooner]

Damn you and your unassailable data-like stuff!

Damn you and Google straight to Hell! How on Earth can I argue with the might of innerweb knowledge?

[olevetonahill]

Damn you and your unassailable data-like stuff!

Damn you and Google straight to Hell! How on Earth can I argue with the might of innerweb knowledge?
Ya think that somepun ya orta try arguin with icky.

[KantoSooner]

Nope. Not me. I'll just keep up my Little Mary Sunshine routine and stroll on down the sunny side of the street.

[olevetonahill]

Nope. Not me. I'll just keep up my Little Mary Sunshine routine and stroll on down the sunny side of the street.
But hes funny .

[SicEmBaylor]

I just want to say that I really love my hometown Hublers.

[soonerhubs]

I just want to say that I really love my hometown Hublers.

Woot!

[Ton Loc]

Jenny still looks good for her age. Of course - airbrushing, makeup, lighting, surgery, etc seem to have that effect on most ladies.

Arguing about vaccinations - laughable. Only in this day and age of massive amounts of information (mostly wrong) that's available to every idiot raised to think they are the smartest kid in the room would we be able to reach a point where normally intelligent human beings raise up in unity against a technology that has saved millions of lives - And all led by a blonde bimbo(with nothing more to offer the world than her T&A) who had a kid with autism and was understandbly looking for anything to blame it on.

She's a hot chick falling out of her prime making one last run at Playboy before she fades away forever.

[Position Limit]

why is there so much agnst about a hot piece of azz? god bless her and fine azz. i want her nude forever.

[rock on sooner]

Funny how airbrushing can defy gravity...

[olevetonahill]

I'd hit that like a Miss. convict on a rock pile.

[12]

Did we ever find out what Achiro does for a living? Achiro, if your profession reveals anything too personal, in no way should you feel obligated to respond.

And by "in no way..." I mean, "spill it, damn it."

[olevetonahill]

Did we ever find out what Achiro does for a living? Achiro, if your profession reveals anything too personal, in no way should you feel obligated to respond.

And by "in no way..." I mean, "spill it, damn it."

Achiro short for A Chiropractor

[pphilfran]

http://www.rescuepost.com/files/gr-autism_and_vaccines_world_special_report1.pdf

The study is from 2009

The US has the most mandatory vaccines (36) and is dead last for child under 5 mortality rates (7.8/1000)
The US has the highest autism rate...1/150 in this study....next closest country is Japan at 1/475 (11 mandatory vaccines)

[pphilfran]

Some of the data is probably flawed due to different/selective reporting by various countries...

[SanJoaquinSooner]

http://www.rescuepost.com/files/gr-autism_and_vaccines_world_special_report1.pdf

The study is from 2009

The US has the most mandatory vaccines (36) and is dead last for child under 5 mortality rates (7.8/1000)
The US has the highest autism rate...1/150 in this study....next closest country is Japan at 1/475 (11 mandatory vaccines)

I wonder about highest autism rate and highest rate of diagnosed autism. I'm guessing in some countries it is less likely to be diagnosed. ... I just saw your addendum, phil.

[nighttrain12]

http://all-celebrity-photos.com/galleries/jenny-mccarthy/Jenny-McCarthy-50.jpg

[nighttrain12]

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr243/jeanhurtado/JennyMccarthy.jpg

[picasso]

I think you might be surprised by how much she knows about the topic.
On the research front, you have to remember that research costs money, pharma has big money so the majority of the research done on the topic is paid for by those that need specific outcomes. They are not going to pay for research that could show their product in a bad light. There are a few places that are looking at connections between autism and vaccines but the money pools much smaller so it's pretty tough to get it done.
Let us not forget the broad brush that is used with diagnosing autism these days. I'd rather run the risk against her noble crusade than spare my child advances in medicine, ala vaccinations.

[OKC-SLC]

Like a high hanging curveball.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

she's the mother of an autistic child - i dont know how much experience any of you have with that sort of thing - but i'd give her the edge over most other folks when it comes to knowing a lil something about autism

her crusade to blame autism on child vaccinations is a bit crazy - but she's passionate about finding a cause/cure - kinda hard to blame her for that imo

Nah, I would defer to Temple Grandin...

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Ah... thanks vet. I just assumed he was Asian.

[olevetonahill]

Ah... thanks vet. I just assumed he was Asian.
Heh, One of them Almost doctors

[nighttrain12]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081018220220/muppet/images/thumb/e/e8/Jenny-McCarthy.jpg/300px-Jenny-McCarthy.jpg