Europeans Understand Obama LIES!

[soonercruiser]

Here is a link to a Danish (I believe) news story on how Obama will say anything, when he really has nothing of import to say!

Our "great allies" are not so dumb!

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/erYpXzE9Pxs&

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[cleller]

While watching that I didn't know whether it was some kind of hoax, or what. Surely no one could be so blatantly shallow and insincere.

The timing is funny as just last night I ran across this article outlining how Obama pretty underhandedly misquoted some Congressional colleagues for his own benefit. This writer, Mychal Massie, obviously dislikes Obama, but there is no denying that Obama's misrepresentation of another's statements is very unprofessional.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/more-evidence-obamas-a-depraved-liar/

[jkjsooner]

That's pretty funny. I'd bet if you go back to any President you'll get something similar. These press conferences with other heads of states pretty much go this way. It's just part of the diplomatic process.

Someone needs to suggest that he mix up his analogies a bit but even so don't look for these press conferences for sincerity.

[badger]

Obama lies, granny dies!

What was that, circa 2009? Right around the time Obama's own grandmother died? Ouch :(

[diverdog]

Here is a link to a Danish (I believe) news story on how Obama will say anything, when he really has nothing of import to say!

Our "great allies" are not so dumb!

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/erYpXzE9Pxs&

erYpXzE9Pxs&


So I guess in your warp wacko political world Obama should say "The Dutch are the biggest bunch of *****g p*****s on the planet who could not fight their way out of wet paper bag as seen in Bosnia. They are the worst allies we have and when the going gets tough well the Dutch get going. And to be really honest it is beneath me to be meeting with this b**** because she can't punch her weight....but damn I would sure like to bang her three ways to Sunday with my big ole hog leg if she let me."

[cleller]

So I guess in your warp wacko political world Obama should say "The Dutch are the biggest bunch of *****g p*****s on the planet who could not fight their way out of wet paper bag as seen in Bosnia. They are the worst allies we have and when the going gets tough well the Dutch get going. And to be really honest it is beneath me to be meeting with this b**** because she can't punch her weight....but damn I would sure like to bang her three ways to Sunday with my big ole hog leg if she let me."

Aww come on and admit it, he got zinged.

If this was Bush -- Colbert, Maher and that bunch would be running it in the ground, and NBC would have run a story on Nightly News. And with good reason. Its funny.

The fact that it hasn't been on the news and late night TV is the shameful part.

[diverdog]

Aww come on and admit it, he got zinged.

If this was Bush -- Colbert, Maher and that bunch would be running it in the ground, and NBC would have run a story on Nightly News. And with good reason. Its funny.

The fact that it hasn't been on the news and late night TV is the shameful part.

No problem with him getting zinged for using the same words. My point is that cruiser always has this false sense of outrage over something that is very minor. All those countries are good allies and the President was praising them for being good allies. He could have choose a different way to say it but in the end he was not lying about them being our friends.

[jkjsooner]

Exactly what diverdog said. This was funny as heck and very John Stewart worthy. But the outrage by cruiser is misguided not to mention clueless.

[ictsooner7]

Here is a link to a Danish (I believe) news story on how Obama will say anything, when he really has nothing of import to say!

Our "great allies" are not so dumb!

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/erYpXzE9Pxs&

erYpXzE9Pxs&

I watched this and I am looking for the lie. Are these country not our great allies? What do you want him to say? You live in a tiny Insignificant country and you should feel lucky I know where your country is on the map?

If you want to see presidential liars check this out -

10/7/2002, George W. Bush, President
"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

or this one

05/01/2003, George W. Bush, President
"My fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended." Under the banner "Mission Accomplished."

a little youtube also -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMStCHtUNeY


Give me a break, this is a typical rightwingnut hatchet job

[Midtowner]

I was most impressed by the fact that the viewers didn't need subtitles to understand the English.

--which kind of goes to show you that the Danes, Nords, Irish, etc. are punching exactly at their insignificant weight.

Surprised we didn't hear about Finland.

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[olevetonahill]

I watched this and I am looking for the lie. Are these country not our great allies? What do you want him to say? You live in a tiny Insignificant country and you should feel lucky I know where your country is on the map?

If you want to see presidential liars check this out -

10/7/2002, George W. Bush, President
"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

or this one

05/01/2003, George W. Bush, President
"My fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended." Under the banner "Mission Accomplished."

a little youtube also -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMStCHtUNeY


Give me a break, this is a typical rightwingnut hatchet job

You carck me up.
Where did Cruiser say he was a liar? he said the Euros think he does. Why do you have to try to turn everything Back 10 years to Bush? Were you born ****in stupid or did ya just get dropped on yer head too many times ?

[C&CDean]

You carck me up.
Where did Cruiser say he was a liar? he said the Euros think he does. Why do you have to try to turn everything Back 10 years to Bush? Were you born ****in stupid or did ya just get dropped on yer head too many times ?

Born that way. The funny part is that he foams at the mouth worse than cruiser. They're the antithesis of one another.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Wait, are we saying there's europeans that got it figured out finally?

I thought they were all limpwristed socialists?

[ictsooner7]

You carck me up.
Where did Cruiser say he was a liar? he said the Euros think he does. Why do you have to try to turn everything Back 10 years to Bush? Were you born ****in stupid or did ya just get dropped on yer head too many times ?



You mean the title of the tread, you dumb@ss? My point is - he called Obama a liar, but there is no lie and if you want to see a president that lies look to the guy all of you voted for.

You people have been running against Carter for 30 years now, get use to it.

[dwarthog]

I watched this and I am looking for the lie. Are these country not our great allies? What do you want him to say? You live in a tiny Insignificant country and you should feel lucky I know where your country is on the map?

If you want to see presidential liars check this out -

10/7/2002, George W. Bush, President
"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

or this one

05/01/2003, George W. Bush, President
"My fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended." Under the banner "Mission Accomplished."

a little youtube also -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMStCHtUNeY


Give me a break, this is a typical rightwingnut hatchet job


Here is Bill Clinton saying the same things re WMD's, which I guess would be before Bush said them..

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[olevetonahill]

You mean the title of the tread, you dumb@ss? My point is - he called Obama a liar, but there is no lie and if you want to see a president that lies look to the guy all of you voted for.

You people have been running against Carter for 30 years now, get use to it.

Dumass? well I gues you are , I repeat he said the Euros say that. Now Go cry about Bush some more ya tittybaby

[OULenexaman]

Born that way. I'm thinking raised that way...

[ictsooner7]

Dumass? well I gues you are , I repeat he said the Euros say that. Now Go cry about Bush some more ya tittybaby



AGAIN..................show me where they called him a lair. What they said was, he is saying the same thing over and over.

What a bunch of dumbasses.

[ictsooner7]

Here is Bill Clinton saying the same things re WMD's, which I guess would be before Bush said them..

S0f5u_0ytUs

Look at the date on the video, 1998. We went to war 5 years later. AFTER UN inspectors didn't find any WMD's.

During the lead-up to war in March 2003, Hans Blix had found no stockpiles of WMD and had made significant progress toward resolving open issues of disarmament noting "proactive" but not always the "immediate" Iraqi cooperation as called for by UN Security Council Resolution 1441. He concluded that it would take “but months” to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks.[4] The United States asserted this was a breach of Resolution 1441 but failed to convince the UN Security Council to pass a new resolution authorizing the use of force due to lack of evidence.[5][6][7] Despite being unable to get a new resolution authorizing force and citing section 3 of the Joint Resolution passed by the U.S. Congress,[8] President George W. Bush asserted peaceful measures could not disarm Iraq of the weapons he alleged it to have and launched a second Gulf War,[9] despite multiple dissenting opinions[citation needed] and questions of integrity[10][11][12] about the underlying intelligence.[13] Later U.S.-led inspections agreed that Iraq had earlier abandoned its WMD programs, but asserted Iraq had an intention to pursue those programs if UN sanctions were ever lifted

[Tulsa_Fireman]

But what about the VX and sarin artillery pieces found during the war from older pre-Desert Storm production (read: Iran/Iraq war)?

To say no WMDs were found in Iraq is simply false. Massive stockpiles of newly built WMD, yeah. But WMD were found, along with a number of uninspected facilities with UN seals broken and signs of the removal of the contents, facilities Hans Blix's inspectors were either delayed from or downright refused access to.

Two sides to the coin, brah.

[diverdog]

But what about the VX and sarin artillery pieces found during the war from older pre-Desert Storm production (read: Iran/Iraq war)?

To say no WMDs were found in Iraq is simply false. Massive stockpiles of newly built WMD, yeah. But WMD were found, along with a number of uninspected facilities with UN seals broken and signs of the removal of the contents, facilities Hans Blix's inspectors were either delayed from or downright refused access to.

Two sides to the coin, brah.

Those shells posed almost no theat to the US. Have you ever lugged a 105 howitzer shell?

[dwarthog]

Look at the date on the video, 1998. We went to war 5 years later. AFTER UN inspectors didn't find any WMD's.

During the lead-up to war in March 2003, Hans Blix had found no stockpiles of WMD and had made significant progress toward resolving open issues of disarmament noting "proactive" but not always the "immediate" Iraqi cooperation as called for by UN Security Council Resolution 1441. He concluded that it would take “but months” to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks.[4] The United States asserted this was a breach of Resolution 1441 but failed to convince the UN Security Council to pass a new resolution authorizing the use of force due to lack of evidence.[5][6][7] Despite being unable to get a new resolution authorizing force and citing section 3 of the Joint Resolution passed by the U.S. Congress,[8] President George W. Bush asserted peaceful measures could not disarm Iraq of the weapons he alleged it to have and launched a second Gulf War,[9] despite multiple dissenting opinions[citation needed] and questions of integrity[10][11][12] about the underlying intelligence.[13] Later U.S.-led inspections agreed that Iraq had earlier abandoned its WMD programs, but asserted Iraq had an intention to pursue those programs if UN sanctions were ever lifted

So Clinton was a "presidential liar" in 1998 then, correct?

[olevetonahill]

AGAIN..................show me where they called him a lair. What they said was, he is saying the same thing over and over.

What a bunch of dumbasses.

We are all so thankful for you taking the time to occasionally show up and teach us from yer wisdom and vastly superior knowledge .

[KantoSooner]

I'd suggest asking a Kurd regarding whether Saddam possessed WMD.


Y'know. Considering that he used WMD on them an all...

[Curly Bill]

We are all so thankful for you taking the time to occasionally show up and teach us from yer wisdom and vastly superior knowledge .

Careful Vet, he may take a page from Marfa's book and put you on iggy.

[olevetonahill]

Careful Vet, he may take a page from Marfa's book and put you on iggy.

Oh Noes.
Not again.

[badger]

Ictsooner bin ein Berliner! :P

[ictsooner7]

But what about the VX and sarin artillery pieces found during the war from older pre-Desert Storm production (read: Iran/Iraq war)?

To say no WMDs were found in Iraq is simply false. Massive stockpiles of newly built WMD, yeah. But WMD were found, along with a number of uninspected facilities with UN seals broken and signs of the removal of the contents, facilities Hans Blix's inspectors were either delayed from or downright refused access to.

Two sides to the coin, brah.

Bull****! You have really drank the koolaid havent you? Even GEORGE W. BUSH said there were none. JJJJJJJJJJJJEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[ictsooner7]

Do you see the date? March 2003? Clintons speech 1998. Are you really that stupid?

Do you see the part about

made significant progress toward resolving open issues of disarmament noting "proactive" ?

READ!

[olevetonahill]

Do you see the date? March 2003? Clintons speech 1998. Are you really that stupid?

Do you see the part about

made significant progress toward resolving open issues of disarmament noting "proactive" ?

READ!

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[dwarthog]

Do you see the date? March 2003? Clintons speech 1998. Are you really that stupid?

Do you see the part about

made significant progress toward resolving open issues of disarmament noting "proactive" ?

READ!

Yeah, I see the date.

But from YOUR data I found this.




In 2002, Scott Ritter stated that, as of 1998, 90–95% of Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical capabilities, and long-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering such weapons, had been verified as destroyed. Technical 100% verification was not possible, said Ritter, not because Iraq still had any hidden weapons, but because Iraq had preemptively destroyed some stockpiles and claimed they had never existed. Many people were surprised by Ritter's turnaround in his view of Iraq during a period when no inspections were made.[61] During the 2002–2003 build-up to war Ritter criticized the Bush administration and maintained that it had provided no credible evidence that Iraq had reconstituted a significant WMD capability. In an interview with Time in September 2002 Ritter said there were attempts to use UNSCOM for spying on Iraq.[62] In doing so, he was merely confirming what had been known since 1999: according to the New York Times for Jan. 8, 1999, , "In March [1998], in a last-ditch attempt to uncover Saddam Hussein's covert weapons and intelligence networks, the United States used the United Nations inspection team to send an American spy into Baghdad to install a highly sophisticated electronic eavesdropping system."[63][64]

UNSCOM encountered various difficulties and a lack of cooperation by the Iraqi government. In 1998, UNSCOM was withdrawn at the request of the United States before Operation Desert Fox. Despite this, UNSCOM's own estimate was that 90-95% of Iraqi WMDs had been successfully destroyed before its 1998 withdrawal. After that Iraq remained without any outside weapons inspectors for four years. During this time speculations arose that Iraq had actively resumed its WMD programmes. In particular, various figures in the George W. Bush administration as well as Congress went so far as to express concern about nuclear weapons.

And this...


Operation Iraqi Freedom documents refers to some 48,000 boxes of documents, audiotapes and videotapes that were captured by the U.S. military during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Many of these documents seem to make clear that Saddam's regime had given up on seeking a WMD capability by the mid-1990s. Associated Press reported, "Repeatedly in the transcripts, Saddam and his lieutenants remind each other that Iraq destroyed its chemical and biological weapons in the early 1990s, and shut down those programs and the nuclear-bomb program, which had never produced a weapon." At one 1996 presidential meeting, top weapons program official Amer Mohammed Rashid, describes his conversation with UN weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus: "We don't have anything to hide, so we're giving you all the details." At another meeting Saddam told his deputies, "We cooperated with the resolutions 100 percent and you all know that, and the 5 percent they claim we have not executed could take them 10 years to (verify). Don't think for a minute that we still have WMD. We have nothing."[111] U.S. Congressman Peter Hoekstra called for the U.S. government to put the remaining documents on the Internet so Arabic speakers around the world can help translate the documents.[112]




Now sport, you clear on the dates this time around?

[cleller]

Whether or not he had WMD, Saddam really punched above his weight.

[Chuck Bao]

Regardless of how apropos those statements were, President Obama probably should get his speech writers to come up with some different analogies to use for various neighboring countries so he doesn't offend our friends overseas and our enemies in the US.

And, leave the Dutch alone. I happened to be visiting Cambodia when it was under United Nations Transitional Authority in Cambodia (UNTAC) control and sponsoring the impending elections in the early 90s. I don't even remember what provincial town I was in, possibly Poipet or Siam Reap. Anyway, there was only one girlie go-go bar in the town and the Dutch army guys under UNTAC were there. I don't remember their role in the UN peace keeping mission. The dangerous job of the mine sweepers was given to the Koreans, if I remember correctly.

The Dutch army guys for some reason decided that they could dance much better than the Cambodian go-go girls and jumped up on the platform and started taking off their clothes. Now, that really is a peace initiative. If all the army peeps in this world would decide that they'd rather dance, it would be a much better world. Unfortunately in this case, their Chinese national UNTAC commander came into the go-go bar and yelled at them in English that they had better stop dancing, get down off of the platform and put back on their clothes. It was very funny, but I guess you had to be there.

I don't know if that is punching above or below their weight.

[ictsooner7]

Yeah, I see the date.

But from YOUR data I found this.





And this...






Now sport, you clear on the dates this time around?

Yes I am........................sport, you on the other hand are not. AGAIN READ THE DATES.

JJJJJJJJJJJEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


In 2002, Scott Ritter stated that, as of 1998, 90–95% of Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical capabilities, and long-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering such weapons, had been verified as destroyed. Technical 100% verification was not possible, said Ritter, not because Iraq still had any hidden weapons, but because Iraq had preemptively destroyed some stockpiles and claimed they had never existed. Many people were surprised by Ritter's turnaround in his view of Iraq during a period when no inspections were made.[61] During the 2002–2003 build-up to war Ritter criticized the Bush administration and maintained that it had provided no credible evidence that Iraq had reconstituted a significant WMD capability. In an interview with Time in September 2002 Ritter said there were attempts to use UNSCOM for spying on Iraq.[62] In doing so, he was merely confirming what had been known since 1999: according to the New York Times for Jan. 8, 1999, , "In March [1998], in a last-ditch attempt to uncover Saddam Hussein's covert weapons and intelligence networks, the United States used the United Nations inspection team to send an American spy into Baghdad to install a highly sophisticated electronic eavesdropping system."[63][64]

UNSCOM encountered various difficulties and a lack of cooperation by the Iraqi government. In 1998, UNSCOM was withdrawn at the request of the United States before Operation Desert Fox. Despite this, UNSCOM's own estimate was that 90-95% of Iraqi WMDs had been successfully destroyed before its 1998 withdrawal. After that Iraq remained without any outside weapons inspectors for four years. During this time speculations arose that Iraq had actively resumed its WMD programmes. In particular, various figures in the George W. Bush administration as well as Congress went so far as to express concern about nuclear weapons.
And this...


So you think nothing changed over five years? Get a clue.



Operation Iraqi Freedom documents refers to some 48,000 boxes of documents, audiotapes and videotapes that were captured by the U.S. military during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Many of these documents seem to make clear that Saddam's regime had given up on seeking a WMD capability by the mid-1990s. Associated Press reported, "Repeatedly in the transcripts, Saddam and his lieutenants remind each other that Iraq destroyed its chemical and biological weapons in the early 1990s, and shut down those programs and the nuclear-bomb program, which had never produced a weapon." At one 1996 presidential meeting, top weapons program official Amer Mohammed Rashid, describes his conversation with UN weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus: "We don't have anything to hide, so we're giving you all the details." At another meeting Saddam told his deputies, "We cooperated with the resolutions 100 percent and you all know that, and the 5 percent they claim we have not executed could take them 10 years to (verify). Don't think for a minute that we still have WMD. We have nothing."[111] U.S. Congressman Peter Hoekstra called for the U.S. government to put the remaining documents on the Internet so Arabic speakers around the world can help translate the documents.[112]

[diverdog]

Yeah, I see the date.

But from YOUR data I found this.





And this...






Now sport, you clear on the dates this time around?

None of this justified an invasion, trillions of wasted dollars and above all thousands of dead and wounded Americans. Bottom line Clinton was sabre rattling and Bush invaded Iraq for no good reason. Even his own people told him not to go in.

[dwarthog]

Yes I am........................sport, you on the other hand are not. AGAIN READ THE DATES.

JJJJJJJJJJJEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


In 2002, Scott Ritter stated that, as of 1998, 90–95% of Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical capabilities, and long-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering such weapons, had been verified as destroyed. Technical 100% verification was not possible, said Ritter, not because Iraq still had any hidden weapons, but because Iraq had preemptively destroyed some stockpiles and claimed they had never existed. Many people were surprised by Ritter's turnaround in his view of Iraq during a period when no inspections were made.[61] During the 2002–2003 build-up to war Ritter criticized the Bush administration and maintained that it had provided no credible evidence that Iraq had reconstituted a significant WMD capability. In an interview with Time in September 2002 Ritter said there were attempts to use UNSCOM for spying on Iraq.[62] In doing so, he was merely confirming what had been known since 1999: according to the New York Times for Jan. 8, 1999, , "In March [1998], in a last-ditch attempt to uncover Saddam Hussein's covert weapons and intelligence networks, the United States used the United Nations inspection team to send an American spy into Baghdad to install a highly sophisticated electronic eavesdropping system."[63][64]

UNSCOM encountered various difficulties and a lack of cooperation by the Iraqi government. In 1998, UNSCOM was withdrawn at the request of the United States before Operation Desert Fox. Despite this, UNSCOM's own estimate was that 90-95% of Iraqi WMDs had been successfully destroyed before its 1998 withdrawal. After that Iraq remained without any outside weapons inspectors for four years. During this time speculations arose that Iraq had actively resumed its WMD programmes. In particular, various figures in the George W. Bush administration as well as Congress went so far as to express concern about nuclear weapons.
And this...


So you think nothing changed over five years? Get a clue.



Operation Iraqi Freedom documents refers to some 48,000 boxes of documents, audiotapes and videotapes that were captured by the U.S. military during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Many of these documents seem to make clear that Saddam's regime had given up on seeking a WMD capability by the mid-1990s. Associated Press reported, "Repeatedly in the transcripts, Saddam and his lieutenants remind each other that Iraq destroyed its chemical and biological weapons in the early 1990s, and shut down those programs and the nuclear-bomb program, which had never produced a weapon." At one 1996 presidential meeting, top weapons program official Amer Mohammed Rashid, describes his conversation with UN weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus: "We don't have anything to hide, so we're giving you all the details." At another meeting Saddam told his deputies, "We cooperated with the resolutions 100 percent and you all know that, and the 5 percent they claim we have not executed could take them 10 years to (verify). Don't think for a minute that we still have WMD. We have nothing."[111] U.S. Congressman Peter Hoekstra called for the U.S. government to put the remaining documents on the Internet so Arabic speakers around the world can help translate the documents.[112]

Ok, I'll try to draw you a timeline, fresh out of crayons, so try to keep up.

1998 Clinton delivers a speech about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction, WMD's for short.

1998, UNSCOM was withdrawn at the request of the United States before Operation Desert Fox. UNSCOM's own estimate was that 90-95% of Iraqi WMDs had been successfully destroyed before its 1998 withdrawal.

1998 Operation Desert Fox bombs the hell out Iraq for 4 days over, that right WMD's.

2002, Scott Ritter stated that, as of 1998, 90–95% of Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical capabilities, and long-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering such weapons, had been verified as destroyed. Technical 100% verification was not possible, said Ritter, not because Iraq still had any hidden weapons, but because Iraq had preemptively destroyed some stockpiles and claimed they had never existed.

So as I stated in my first post in response your Bush diatribe, the first presidential liar in this sequence of events was Clinton.

Savy?

[cleller]

Is there anything in the current line of discussion on this thread that is boringly familiar?

[olevetonahill]

Is there anything in the current line of discussion on this thread that is boringly familiar?

Sure , Ya criticize Obammy and they twist and turn till its about Bush

[diverdog]

Ok, I'll try to draw you a timeline, fresh out of crayons, so try to keep up.

1998 Clinton delivers a speech about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction, WMD's for short.

1998, UNSCOM was withdrawn at the request of the United States before Operation Desert Fox. UNSCOM's own estimate was that 90-95% of Iraqi WMDs had been successfully destroyed before its 1998 withdrawal.

1998 Operation Desert Fox bombs the hell out Iraq for 4 days over, that right WMD's.

2002, Scott Ritter stated that, as of 1998, 90–95% of Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical capabilities, and long-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering such weapons, had been verified as destroyed. Technical 100% verification was not possible, said Ritter, not because Iraq still had any hidden weapons, but because Iraq had preemptively destroyed some stockpiles and claimed they had never existed.

So as I stated in my first post in response your Bush diatribe, the first presidential liar in this sequence of events was Clinton.

Savy?

Operation Desert Fox was about destabilizing the Iraqi government and not about WMD's.

The first liar was Bush I for dragging us into that sh*t hole in the first place.

[soonercruiser]

Those shells posed almost no theat to the US. Have you ever lugged a 105 howitzer shell?

Funny thing....we never got any volunteers to open those "harmless" artillery shells.

[olevetonahill]

Operation Desert Fox was about destabilizing the Iraqi government and not about WMD's.

The first liar was Bush I for dragging us into that sh*t hole in the first place.
So Bush 1 Invaded Kuwait Dayum I love this Place we learn all kinds of stuff

[ictsooner7]

Ok, I'll try to draw you a timeline, fresh out of crayons, so try to keep up.

1998 Clinton delivers a speech about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction, WMD's for short.

1998, UNSCOM was withdrawn at the request of the United States before Operation Desert Fox. UNSCOM's own estimate was that 90-95% of Iraqi WMDs had been successfully destroyed before its 1998 withdrawal.

1998 Operation Desert Fox bombs the hell out Iraq for 4 days over, that right WMD's.

2002, Scott Ritter stated that, as of 1998, 90–95% of Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical capabilities, and long-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering such weapons, had been verified as destroyed. Technical 100% verification was not possible, said Ritter, not because Iraq still had any hidden weapons, but because Iraq had preemptively destroyed some stockpiles and claimed they had never existed.

So as I stated in my first post in response your Bush diatribe, the first presidential liar in this sequence of events was Clinton.

Savy?


Dumb as a bag of hammers.

90–95% of Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical capabilities, and long-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering such weapons, had been verified as destroyed.

The bottom line is Clinton listented to the UN and Bush didn't want to.

[olevetonahill]

I'm Dumb as a bag of hammers.

90–95% of Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical capabilities, and long-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering such weapons, had been verified as destroyed.

The bottom line is Clinton listented to the UN and Bush didn't want to.

Dont be so hard on yerself.

[cleller]

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww14/cs6000/thomabuch-andersen.jpg

Who would have guessed Thomas Buch-Andersen, TV host from the Danish Broadcasting Network was just another right wing conspirator?

[soonercruiser]

Dumb as a bag of hammers.

90–95% of Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical capabilities, and long-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering such weapons, had been verified as destroyed.

The bottom line is Clinton listented to the UN and Bush didn't want to.

Many people "choose" to not listen to the UN.....for damn good reason!
BTW - what are the UN inspectors saying in Iran?
(Clinton got his "tips" from WH and Congressional pages!)

[diverdog]

So Bush 1 Invaded Kuwait Dayum I love this Place we learn all kinds of stuff

Google April Glaspie and get back to me.

[olevetonahill]

Google April Gillespie and get back to me.


Naw. I think Ill stay with Bashin Obammy. you libs can try to blame Both Bush 1 &2 for everything ya want .

[diverdog]

Naw. I think Ill stay with Bashin Obammy. you libs can try to blame Both Bush 1 &2 for everything ya want .

Olevet:

That is too bad that you want to bury your head in the sand. April Glaspie was the US Diplomat that all but gave Saddam Hussein the green light to go into Kuwait. It was one of the worst diplomatic errors in our history and we have paid for it with 25 years of war. Saddam was our friend even after he invaded Kuwait. It wasn't until the manufactured lies of the Kuwaiti government before congress did we decide to go into Kuwait and turn Saddam into some sort of monster. And to be perfectly honest Kuwait got everything it deserved.

PS I was in Baghdad in the military in the late 80's. We use to fly a lot of missions from the US into Iraq supporting them in their war against Iran.

[olevetonahill]

Olevet:

That is too bad that you want to bury your head in the sand. April Glaspie was the US Diplomat that all but gave Saddam Hussein the green light to go into Kuwait. It was one of the worst diplomatic errors in our history and we have paid for it with 25 years of war. Saddam was our friend even after he invaded Kuwait. It wasn't until the manufactured lies of the Kuwaiti government before congress did we decide to go into Kuwait and turn Saddam into some sort of monster. And to be perfectly honest Kuwait got everything it deserved.

PS I was in Baghdad in the military in the late 80's. We use to fly a lot of missions from the US into Iraq supporting them in their war against Iran.

Im all fo learning my friend , I just dont follow the bouncing ball so well.
Ya wanta Tlk the GW1 fine start a thread and lets discuss it, Wnat to Blame Bush 1 &2 for the Ills of the universe? Fine start a thread and lets discuss it

Just quit with the throwin sticks and expecting me to fetch when we in a thread about OBammy . Ok?

[dwarthog]

Dumb as a bag of hammers.

90–95% of Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical capabilities, and long-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering such weapons, had been verified as destroyed.

The bottom line is Clinton listented to the UN and Bush didn't want to.

You are seriously obtuse....

[cleller]

Im all fo learning my friend , I just dont follow the bouncing ball so well.
Ya wanta Tlk the GW1 fine start a thread and lets discuss it, Wnat to Blame Bush 1 &2 for the Ills of the universe? Fine start a thread and lets discuss it

Just quit with the throwin sticks and expecting me to fetch when we in a thread about OBammy . Ok?

Going after Bush II isn't enough of a deflection. Now the tactic is Operation Double Whammy -- go after Bush I. By fall we'll leapfrog over Clinton, and head straight for that evil monster Reagan, that started all this when he rescued American from the scrap heap in the 80s.

I think "punches above their weight" is code for "small country I really don't care enough about to read up on with my IPad."

"Closest ally" is code for "just don't ask me for more money".

[diverdog]

Going after Bush II isn't enough of a deflection. Now the tactic is Operation Double Whammy -- go after Bush I. By fall we'll leapfrog over Clinton, and head straight for that evil monster Reagan, that started all this when he rescued American from the scrap heap in the 80s.

I think "punches above their weight" is code for "small country I really don't care enough about to read up on with my IPad."

"Closest ally" is code for "just don't ask me for more money".

I think the moral of the story is that Bush family cannot fight a war.

As for Reagan....I liked him and voted for him twice. Funny thing is the current batch of Republicans would not let him in the front door.

I agree with your last two sentences.

[sappstuf]

Going after Bush II isn't enough of a deflection. Now the tactic is Operation Double Whammy -- go after Bush I. By fall we'll leapfrog over Clinton, and head straight for that evil monster Reagan, that started all this when he rescued American from the scrap heap in the 80s.

I think "punches above their weight" is code for "small country I really don't care enough about to read up on with my IPad."

"Closest ally" is code for "just don't ask me for more money".

Remember when Clinton bombed an aspirin factory and tried to claim they were making VX gas? Ah memories...


The administration claimed the plant was actually a disguised chemical weapons factory. Administration officials said that soil samples taken outside the plant had shown the presence of a substance known as Empta, whose only function was to make the nerve gas VX. The plant, moreover, was heavily guarded, the administration said, and it showed a suspicious lack of ordinary commercial activities.

[….]

But a British engineer, Thomas Carnaffin, who worked as a technical manager during the plant's construction between 1992 and 1996, emerged to tell reporters there was nothing secret or heavily guarded about the plant at all, and that he never saw any evidence of the production of an ingredient needed for nerve gas. The group that monitors compliance with the treaty banning chemical weapons announced that Empta did have legitimate commercial purposes in the manufacture of fungicides and antibiotics. The owner of the Shifa factory gave interviews in which he emphatically denied that the plant was used for anything other than pharmaceuticals, and there was never persuasive evidence to contradict his assertion. At the same time, members of the administration retreated from claims they made earlier that Osama bin Laden had what [Defense Secretary William] Cohen called "a financial interest in contributing to this particular facility." It turned out that no direct financial relationship between bin Laden and the plant could be established.


Officials later acknowledged, however, "that the evidence that prompted President Clinton to order the missile strike on the Shifa plant was not as solid as first portrayed. Indeed, officials later said that there was no proof that the plant had been manufacturing or storing nerve gas, as initially suspected by the Americans, or had been linked to Osama bin Laden, who was a resident of Khartoum in the 1980s."


James Risen reported in the New York Times: "Now, the analysts renewed their doubts and told Assistant Secretary of State Phyllis Oakley that the C.I.A.'s evidence on which the attack was based was inadequate. Ms. Oakley asked them to double-check; perhaps there was some intelligence they had not yet seen. The answer came back quickly: There was no additional evidence. Ms. Oakley called a meeting of key aides and a consensus emerged: Contrary to what the Administration was saying, the case tying Al Shifa to Mr. bin Laden or to chemical weapons was weak."

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

i love how you libs get soo twisted when someone criticizes Obummer. its like you can't take the fact that he's not the messiah you thought he'd be, so in order to feel better about the situation, you go to the first thing that you can remember to distract you from your disapointment (BUSH). i appreciate your loyalty, and enthusiasm--albeit it misplaced. regardless if the OP called him a liar, or if he was implying that the Dutch beleived he was a liar...just accept the fact that Obummer likes to be seen as a smooth talking educated, holier than thou type that knows everything...when in realtiy, he is just better at masking his short-commings. if the only argument that you are ever going to have when facing criticizms about Obama is to bring up GB I&II, then you consistantly lose said argument--whether you like to admit it or not. the fact is, every president has issues, so more than others, but at some point, a leader needs to accept responsibility for their actions, and of those under their command. I have yet to see Obama do so. blaming everyone else is not an ideal trait in a leader. He has been president for over three years...when do we get to call him a leader, cause so far he hasn't been one. this recurrent analogy of boxing above your weight class, and closest ally stuff may have been just in the speech, however, what it shows me is a lack of creativity, imagination, and true leadership.
i doubt Patton, Chesty Puller, or even Teddy Roosevelt ever repeated the same regurgitated BS to their direct reports...


Flame away Libs...notice that i never called anyone "dumb as a hammer" Idiot, or anything? funny how when a conservative makes an argument, lib's call them stupid, dumb, or what have you? they always think they are so much smarter than everyone else....no wonder they love Obama.. they think the same way.

jeebus....get over it. life ain't that bad

[Bourbon St Sooner]

He should have just laughed at the Dutch for having a crappy soccer team.

[BetterSoonerThanLater]

He should have just laughed at the Dutch for having a crappy soccer team.

so they aren't "kicking above their skill level" ?

[TitoMorelli]

I think the moral of the story is that Bush family cannot fight a war.

As for Reagan....I liked him and voted for him twice. Funny thing is the current batch of Republicans would not let him in the front door.

I agree with your last two sentences.

Why, because he wasn't conservative enough?

As George Will pointed out last Sunday, the GOP presidential nominees since Reagan have been Bush (twice), Dole, Bush II (twice), McCain, and now Romney. Please point out the hard-line right-wing conservatives out of that bunch.

Of course the Dems deserve great credit for nominating a serial sexual predator, a looney-tunes faux tree-hugger who wants his "second chakra" rubbed, a gold-digger who knowingly and willingly told malicious lies about his fellow servicemen, and now a narcissistic sociopath who is the most unqualified president in my lifetime, including Carter.

[sappstuf]

Why, because he wasn't conservative enough?

As George Will pointed out last Sunday, the GOP presidential nominees since Reagan have been Bush (twice), Dole, Bush II (twice), McCain, and now Romney. Please point out the hard-line right-wing conservatives out of that bunch.

Of course the Dems deserve great credit for nominating a serial sexual predator, a looney-tunes faux tree-hugger who wants his "second chakra" rubbed, a gold-digger who knowingly and willingly told malicious lies about his fellow servicemen, and now a narcissistic sociopath who is the most unqualified president in my lifetime, including Carter.

To be fair, who doesn't want their "second chakra" rubbed?

[diverdog]

Why, because he wasn't conservative enough?

As George Will pointed out last Sunday, the GOP presidential nominees since Reagan have been Bush (twice), Dole, Bush II (twice), McCain, and now Romney. Please point out the hard-line right-wing conservatives out of that bunch.

Of course the Dems deserve great credit for nominating a serial sexual predator, a looney-tunes faux tree-hugger who wants his "second chakra" rubbed, a gold-digger who knowingly and willingly told malicious lies about his fellow servicemen, and now a narcissistic sociopath who is the most unqualified president in my lifetime, including Carter.

Do you honestly think Romney would have won if he hadn't been campaigning for four years, spent a gazzillion of his own dollars and running against some of the nuttiest politicians of out time?

[jkjsooner]

i love how you libs get soo twisted when someone criticizes Obummer.

I don't care if he gets criticized for something legitimate nor would I care if this was posted here so that we all could laugh at Obama. After all it is funny and embarrassing for him.

I have a problem with those who take every little thing and blow it way out of proportion.

Had someone posted a similar post on Bush and called him a liar I would have defended him too. When Bush was President I posted comments that some criticisms were a little unfair quite often. I'm sure my tone differs slightly in the two cases but, well, we're all human.

And don't think that guys on these boards weren't doing the same thing in 2001/2002 blaming the economy, 9/11, whatever on Clinton. If Romney wins the election and the economy doesn't turn around soon you'll hear a lot from RLIMC about how it's all Obama's fault.


Flame away Libs...notice that i never called anyone "dumb as a hammer" Idiot, or anything? funny how when a conservative makes an argument, lib's call them stupid, dumb, or what have you?

Yeah, because Turd or Dean have never slung insults...

[olevetonahill]

I don't care if he gets criticized for something legitimate nor would I care if this was posted here so that we all could laugh at Obama. After all it is funny and embarrassing for him.

I have a problem with those who take every little thing and blow it way out of proportion.

Had someone posted a similar post on Bush and called him a liar I would have defended him too. When Bush was President I posted comments that some criticisms were a little unfair quite often. I'm sure my tone differs slightly in the two cases but, well, we're all human.

And don't think that guys on these boards weren't doing the same thing in 2001/2002 blaming the economy, 9/11, whatever on Clinton. If Romney wins the election and the economy doesn't turn around soon you'll hear a lot from RLIMC about how it's all Obama's fault.



Yeah, because vet or Dean have never slung insults...

I see what you did there you sorry sack of **** why you orta be shot er sompun
Usin lower case on MY name but Capitalizing Deans .:torn:

[soonercruiser]

Olevet:

That is too bad that you want to bury your head in the sand. April Glaspie was the US Diplomat that all but gave Saddam Hussein the green light to go into Kuwait. It was one of the worst diplomatic errors in our history and we have paid for it with 25 years of war. Saddam was our friend even after he invaded Kuwait. It wasn't until the manufactured lies of the Kuwaiti government before congress did we decide to go into Kuwait and turn Saddam into some sort of monster. And to be perfectly honest Kuwait got everything it deserved.

PS I was in Baghdad in the military in the late 80's. We use to fly a lot of missions from the US into Iraq supporting them in their war against Iran.

Unbelievable statement Diver!
Kinda like sayin' I hope someone rapes your daughter.....:disturbed:

[diverdog]

Unbelievable statement Diver!
Kinda like sayin' I hope someone rapes you daughter.....:disturbed:

Do you even have a clue why Iraq invaded Kuwait?

I'll give you one bone. Three days before the invasion Sheikh Sabeh Ahmed al-Jaber al-Sabah, the brother of the Emir, basically called the Iraqi Army a bunch of pussies and dared them to invade. So yeah it would be like your daughter ( speaking metophorically) walking into an orgy daring anyone to f*** her and then she gets f**** and acts all surprised about it.

[Curly Bill]

Do you even have a clue why Iraq invaded Kuwait?

They were bored and needed something to do?

[diverdog]

They were bored and needed something to do?

Read my edit.

[olevetonahill]

Do you even have a clue why Iraq invaded Kuwait?

I'll give you one bone. Three days before the invasion Sheikh Sabeh Ahmed al-Jaber al-Sabah, the brother of the Emir, basically called the Iraqi Army a bunch of pussies and dared them to invade. So yeah it would be like your daughter ( speaking metophorically) walking into an orgy daring anyone to f*** her and then she gets f**** and acts all surprised about it.

Like Curly said then They were Bored and needed someone to ****?

[cleller]

Do you even have a clue why Iraq invaded Kuwait?

I'll give you one bone. Three days before the invasion Sheikh Sabeh Ahmed al-Jaber al-Sabah, the brother of the Emir, basically called the Iraqi Army a bunch of pussies and dared them to invade.

Ahem. THIS is the reason for the invasion?

No mention of Iraq being upset at Kuwait for refusing to forgive $80 billion in debt Iraq had borrowed during the Iran/Iraq war? Disagreements over the cost of oil being too low for Iraq to raise cash to pay on their debt, and Kuwait refusing to slow production? Iraq's claim Kuwait was stealing oil thru slant drilling?

All this time we've been mislead into thinking Saddam invaded Kuwait due to economic reasons, wanting Kuwait's oil riches to pull his country out of its war debt have been wrong? Its really because a Kuwaiti sheik's brother insulted the Iraqi Army?

Dang these historical experts.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Olevet:

That is too bad that you want to bury your head in the sand. April Glaspie was the US Diplomat that all but gave Saddam Hussein the green light to go into Kuwait. It was one of the worst diplomatic errors in our history and we have paid for it with 25 years of war. Saddam was our friend even after he invaded Kuwait. It wasn't until the manufactured lies of the Kuwaiti government before congress did we decide to go into Kuwait and turn Saddam into some sort of monster. And to be perfectly honest Kuwait got everything it deserved.

PS I was in Baghdad in the military in the late 80's. We use to fly a lot of missions from the US into Iraq supporting them in their war against Iran.

She thought Saddam said he was making a beer run to Kuwait. Kuwait does have the best beer in the ME.

[jkjsooner]

I see what you did there you sorry sack of **** why you orta be shot er sompun
Usin lower case on MY name but Capitalizing Deans .:torn:



You're quick. Caught it before I removed it.

[diverdog]

Ahem. THIS is the reason for the invasion?

No mention of Iraq being upset at Kuwait for refusing to forgive $80 billion in debt Iraq had borrowed during the Iran/Iraq war? Disagreements over the cost of oil being too low for Iraq to raise cash to pay on their debt, and Kuwait refusing to slow production? Iraq's claim Kuwait was stealing oil thru slant drilling?

All this time we've been mislead into thinking Saddam invaded Kuwait due to economic reasons, wanting Kuwait's oil riches to pull his country out of its war debt have been wrong? Its really because a Kuwaiti sheik's brother insulted the Iraqi Army?

Dang these historical experts.

I said one bone. There are others than what you listed like Kuwait settlements in Iraq, Kuwait wanting its $17 billion dollars back it gave to Iraq during the war. Denying Iraq access to shipping ports and depressing oil prices. The Kuwaitis are real pieces of sh*t and because of their lies we have been at war in that part of the world for 22 years.

And Clellar it would have been far cheaper for to have paid off Saddam and kept him from invading in he first place. Neither country were worth the lives of all the Americans who have died since then.

[Midtowner]

I'll give you one bone. Three days before the invasion Sheikh Sabeh Ahmed al-Jaber al-Sabah, the brother of the Emir, basically called the Iraqi Army a bunch of pussies and dared them to invade. So yeah it would be like your daughter ( speaking metophorically) walking into an orgy daring anyone to f*** her and then she gets f**** and acts all surprised about it.

In retrospect, the Sheikh spoke truth.

[Turd_Ferguson]

I said one bone. There are others than what you listed like Kuwait settlements in Iraq, Kuwait wanting its $17 billion dollars back it gave to Iraq during the war. The Kuwaitis are real pieces of sh*t and because of their lies we have been at war in that part of the world for 22 years.

And Clellar it would have been far cheaper for to have paid off Saddam and kept him from invading in he first place.Right, so Kuwaitis are a piece of ****, but Iraqis are model citizens...go tit. You're either a troll or one ignernt bastard.

What a hack...

[diverdog]

In retrospect, the Sheikh spoke truth.

Oh I don't know. They collapsed like a lawn chair in the ground war and have fought a brilliant campaign since the invasion. They have caused our military to rethink our entire urban warfare models.

[diverdog]

Right, so Kuwaitis are a piece of ****, but Iraqis are model citizens...go tit. You're either a troll or one ignernt bastard.

What a hack...

STFU and go back to beating off to your pictures of sheep.

[olevetonahill]

STFU and go back to beating off to your pictures of sheep.

Turd you got Pictures and ya aint shared? Yer a bastage

[diverdog]

Turd you got Pictures and ya aint shared? Yer a bastage

LOL. I never figured you for a sheep man.

Turd makes me laugh.

[soonercruiser]

Do you even have a clue why Iraq invaded Kuwait?

I'll give you one bone. Three days before the invasion Sheikh Sabeh Ahmed al-Jaber al-Sabah, the brother of the Emir, basically called the Iraqi Army a bunch of pussies and dared them to invade. So yeah it would be like your daughter ( speaking metophorically) walking into an orgy daring anyone to f*** her and then she gets f**** and acts all surprised about it.

So, to the leftists, an insult is justification for going to war, killing thousands, raping women and children....etc????
Great thought process Diver!
But then you are probably coming from a different cultural perspective......and usin' them dang new fangled history books!

(Right wingers insult Obama's willingness to defend the country....so, Obama invades Libya, sends more drones to Pakistan, and spikes the ball on Bin Laden.....great!)
Yup! I understand now.
:disturbed:

[LiveLaughLove]

So, to the leftists, an insult is justification for going to war, killing thousands, raping women and children....etc????
Great thought process Diver!
But then you are probably coming from a different cultural perspective......and usin' them dang new fangled history books!

(Right wingers insult Obama's willingness to defend the country....so, Obama invades Libya, sends more drones to Pakistan, and spikes the ball on Bin Laden.....great!)
Yup! I understand now.
:disturbed:

By that standard Israel should nuke the heck out of Iran, and no one say a word about it. Iran repeatedly threatens to wipe Israel from the Earth.

[diverdog]

So, to the leftists, an insult is justification for going to war, killing thousands, raping women and children....etc????
Great thought process Diver!
But then you are probably coming from a different cultural perspective......and usin' them dang new fangled history books!

(Right wingers insult Obama's willingness to defend the country....so, Obama invades Libya, sends more drones to Pakistan, and spikes the ball on Bin Laden.....great!)
Yup! I understand now.
:disturbed:

Cruiser,

Kuwait infringe on Iraqi territory by building settlements and they were slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields and Iraq asked them to stop. On top of that they blocked Iraq's access to sea ports and drove down the price of oil and demanded Iraq repay them the money they gave them to stop Iran from attacking Kuwait. So IMHO that is some really good justification for going to war. On top of all that for thousands of years Kuwait was part of Iraq.

As for the story of killing babies:


"The readers may recall the testimony before Congress on October 10, 1990 of a 15-year old Kuwaiti woman, Nayirah (her last name was kept confidential). She had witnessed a terrifying deed by the Iraqi invaders of Kuwait. In her own words: 'I volunteered at the al-Addan hospital. While I was there, I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns, and go into the room where . . . babies were in incubators. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators, and left the babies on the cold floor to die.' The story about the 312 babies made the news with a vengeance. President Bush (that would be George I) repeated it. The line in the sand was drawn. Like Racak, it turned public opinion and Congress on the path of war. Months later we learned that Nayirah was the daughter of a Kuwaiti prince, Saud Nasir al-Sabah, Kuwait's Ambassador to the U.S. She had left Kuwait before the Iraqi invasion. The story had been entirely fabricated by the PR firm Hill & Knowlton. Tom Lantos, the California Democrat who chaired the hearing was co-chair (with Republican Rep. John Porter) of the Congressional Human Rights Foundation that occupied free office space in Hill & Knowlton's Washington, DC office." One of the best documentation of this hoax can be found in a fascinating book, "Toxic Sludge Is Good for You, Lies, Damn Lies and the Public Relations Industry" by John C. Stauber, Sheldon Rampton, 1995; (Common Courage Press; ISBN: 1-56751-060-4).


In 1992, the human rights organization Middle East Watch (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Middle_East_Watch&action=edit&redlink=1) published the results of their investigation of the incubator story. Its director, Andrew Whitley, told the press, "While it is true that the Iraqis targeted hospitals, there is no truth to the charge which was central to the war propaganda effort that they stole incubators and callously removed babies allowing them to die on the floor. The stories were manufactured from germs of truth by people outside the country who should have known better." One investigator, Aziz Abu-Hamad, interviewed doctors in the hospital where Nayirah claimed she witnessed Iraqi soldiers pull 15 infants from incubators and leave them to die. The Independent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independent) reported, "The doctors told him the maternity ward had 25 to 30 incubators. None was(were) taken by the Iraqis, and no babies were taken from them."[69] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurse_Nayirah#cite_note-myth-69)

Good read:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Kuwaitgate.-a012529902

This nation was duped into going to war with Iraq and quite honestly a lot of people should be in jail including Congressman Lantos (D-CA). You can choose to bury you head in the sand if you want but the simple fact that you continue to repeat false allegations in your opening paragraph shows you have not done a shred of research into the Iraq Kuwait War.

Saddam was no doubt a thug but the US supported him for a decade and Bush I wanted closer relationships with him to counter balance Iran. I also have no doubt that Iraq committed atrocities in Kuwait but they did not kill thousands of people as you suggest...the number is under a thousand including the 600 plus that disappeared into Iraq when Iraqi troops retreated back into Iraq.

Finally, in the ME leveling insults against one's manhood (or in this case army) will usually result in a quick *** kicking at best or a killing at worst. Kuwait continually insulted Saddam and they should not have been surprised that Iraq invaded.

PS: Cruiser Iraq and Kuwait are at each others throats again.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/06/29/iraq-kuwait-ports-idINLDE75O03H20110629