Here is one thing I really like about Obama...

[SicEmBaylor]

I approve.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/24/hurt-in-this-bad-economy-us-needs-border-fence-to-/

[okie52]

Recessions have their good points.

[soonercruiser]

And I too have one thing I like about Obama...
He has a mean right kick (when he doesn't get his way)....

q3SFXQfE4kk

[StoopTroup]

Corporations = Mexicans

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Recessions have their good points.


You and Potter think along the same lines.





Okie says, "War Great Depression!"

http://grumpy-people.com/gallery/Lionel-Barrymore_Mr-Potter.jpg

[sappstuf]

Serves as a pretty good counterpoint to those that say it would be too expensive to deport all illegals.

If you enforce the laws and make life difficult here for those that choose to break the law, many will go home.

At zero cost to the government no less.

[SicEmBaylor]

Serves as a pretty good counterpoint to those that say it would be too expensive to deport all illegals.

If you enforce the laws and make life difficult here for those that choose to break the law, many will go home.

At zero cost to the government no less.

Exactly. Everyone knows it's impossible to round them all up and deport. The most effective thing you can do is create conditions in which they have no reason to come or stay here.

[okie52]

Cinco de Mayo coming up San Joaquin....better get out your la Raza tshirt and Mexican flag. Maybe they'll rename it invaders day when your whole family is here.

[yermom]

Exactly. Everyone knows it's impossible to round them all up and deport. The most effective thing you can do is create conditions in which they have no reason to come or stay here.

you want to make the US like Mexico?

[olevetonahill]

you want to make the US like Mexico?


Heh

[badger]

You and Potter think along the same lines.






Okie says, "War Great Depression!"

http://grumpy-people.com/gallery/Lionel-Barrymore_Mr-Potter.jpg


Why oh why can't houses still be worth twice what it costs to build them? :(

[Bourbon St Sooner]

At least SicEm's honest about his reasons for immigration control. It's not about economic opportunity for him since he's never tried to find a job. He just doesn't like brown people.

[OU_Sooners75]

At least SicEm's honest about his reasons for immigration control. It's not about economic opportunity for him since he's never tried to find a job. He just doesn't like brown people.

Why you turning this into a personal attack thread?

[C&CDean]

Well he really doesn't like brown people.

[olevetonahill]

I dont like Purple people. Does that make me a bad person?

[soonercruiser]

I dont like Purple people. Does that make me a bad person?

"Barney" will feel insulted!

And, I don't mean Barney's Frank.

[olevetonahill]

"Barney" will feel insulted!

And, I don't mean Barney's Frank.

I really dont give a **** tho.

[ouwasp]

One thing I'm liking lately is the 22nd Amendment. Sadly, I think it is the only thing I'll be happy about come November.

[sappstuf]

http://global.nationalreview.com/images/photoshop_042512_A.jpg

[ouwasp]

http://global.nationalreview.com/images/photoshop_042512_A.jpg

Shouldn't the senorita silhouette be pregnant, thus providing the Anchor Baby?

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Cinco de Mayo coming up San Joaquin....better get out your la Raza tshirt and Mexican flag. Maybe they'll rename it invaders day when your whole family is here.

Oh now Okie, You know I live in the San Joaquin Valley -- you probably remember the TV show "The Big Valley". It's not a hot bed for La Raza. The Mexicans here are more apt to be cowboys that look like these:

http://www.traveljournals.net/pictures/l/0/2753-the-ex-cowboys-love-to-watch-tingambato-mexico.jpg


I think I may have already posted the story of when Maria and I brought her youngest sister, Alma, over from Mexico when she was 16. I enrolled her in the high school and, of course, she was not yet fluent in English. She seeks other students out who might speak Spanish, but is disappointed to find most of the AP Spanish students don't speak Spanish very well. And then she discovers that there's a student organization named "MECHA" that has a latino theme to it. So she goes to a MECHA meeting and tries to converse with a couple of girls who appear to be latina. One of the girls says, "This is America and we speak English here" -- and goes on the belittle Mexicans who dress like backward-a$$ ranchera cowboys. So much for that liberal MECHA club!!!

[diverdog]

Nothing like a good right wing rant in the Washington Times to get a circle jerk started in the Obama Fest Forum.

[olevetonahill]

Nothing like a good right wing rant in the Washington Times to get a circle jerk started in the Obama Fest Forum.
Nothing like a loud mouthed Lib to claim 20 posts in 2 days is a Circle Jerk.

[okie52]

Nothing like a good right wing rant in the Washington Times to get a circle jerk started in the Obama Fest Forum.

If you'd like I can post something from the Washington Post to get you lefties all fisting.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Why you turning this into a personal attack thread?

How was that a personal attack? Busting sic'em's balls for his lack of female skills or ever being gainfully employed is just a pasttime at SF.com. I like sic'em besides his unnatural fondness for that evil skeletor chick and that dude that dunks in women's bball games. Sic'em brings real thought out opinions to the board that don't come from some tv talking head.

My honest opinion is I like the brown people because I like to get stuff done around the house for cheap.

[Curly Bill]

Nothing like a loud mouthed Lib to claim 20 posts in 2 days is a Circle Jerk.

Heh

[badger]

I like sic'em besides his unnatural fondness for that evil skeletor chick and that dude that dunks in women's bball games. Sic'em brings real thought out opinions to the board that don't come from some tv talking head.

SicEm and I would never fight if it weren't for those two beyonces :mad:

As for immigration... it's inevitable that it eventually slows down or stops. My hope is that if people elect to stay or return to Mexico, that it can become a stronger country, like one that was able to host the Olympics in 60s. They'd probably never be able to do that now. :(

[okie52]

Oh now Okie, You know I live in the San Joaquin Valley -- you probably remember the TV show "The Big Valley". It's not a hot bed for La Raza. The Mexicans here are more apt to be cowboys that look like these:

http://www.traveljournals.net/pictures/l/0/2753-the-ex-cowboys-love-to-watch-tingambato-mexico.jpg


I think I may have already posted the story of when Maria and I brought her youngest sister, Alma, over from Mexico when she was 16. I enrolled her in the high school and, of course, she was not yet fluent in English. She seeks other students out who might speak Spanish, but is disappointed to find most of the AP Spanish students don't speak Spanish very well. And then she discovers that there's a student organization named "MECHA" that has a latino theme to it. So she goes to a MECHA meeting and tries to converse with a couple of girls who appear to be latina. One of the girls says, "This is America and we speak English here" -- and goes on the belittle Mexicans who dress like backward-a$$ ranchera cowboys. So much for that liberal MECHA club!!!

http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af24/okie54/thebigvalley.jpg

Doesn't look like anything has changed.

[diverdog]

Nothing like a loud mouthed Lib to claim 20 posts in 2 days is a Circle Jerk.

Wow, I must have gotten under your skin to get you away from your pivot man duties.

[Curly Bill]

Wow, I must have gotten under your skin to get you away from your pivot man duties.

I bet you like getting under men's skin?

[diverdog]

If you'd like I can post something from the Washington Post to get you lefties all fisting.

Fine by me. I am thinking oil company profits will do it.

[diverdog]

I bet you like getting under men's skin?

Given all the man love you show me in the spek account I would say you speak like a pro.

[olevetonahill]

Wow, I must have gotten under your skin to get you away from your pivot man duties.
Dont flatter yerself Boy.

You made a Stupid statement I called ya on it . Nuff said

[Curly Bill]

Given all the man love you show me in the spek account I would say you speak like a pro.

No problem, and you're welcome.

[pphilfran]

Fine by me. I am thinking oil company profits will do it.

How about Apples profits...bet that would get your blood boiling...

[diverdog]

How about Apples profits...bet that would get your blood boiling...

For reasons other than profits.

[diverdog]

Dont flatter yerself Boy.

You made a Stupid statement I called ya on it . Nuff said

Whatever.

[Petro-Sooner]

Fine by me. I am thinking oil company profits will do it.

How about Apples profits...bet that would get your blood boiling...

HEH

[diverdog]

No problem, and you're welcome.

:congratulatory:

[pphilfran]

For reasons other than profits.

Apple Store

Apple Store

Apple Store

[okie52]

Fine by me. I am thinking oil company profits will do it.

Oil company's profits look paltry compared to the tech industry but, I agree with you, somehow I don't think the lefites have the same rage about them.

When a gallon of gas hits $5 a gallon on the east coast I'll give you some headlines. Maybe this summer in our industry's collective effort to bring down Hussein.

[okie52]

How about Apples profits...bet that would get your blood boiling...

Beat me to it but we know it isn't about profits.

If GM was doing it they'd be falling all over themselves with union glee....just not for the industry that fuels them.

[okie52]

For reasons other than profits.

What would those reasons be there Diver?

[pphilfran]

I will try to get this right...

He owned an Apple store and Apple set up a company store and undercut his prices and drove him out of business..

It has been a long time since he discussed it so I am probably wrong....(legal disclaimer)

[okie52]

I will try to get this right...

He owned an Apple store and Apple set up a company store and undercut his prices and drove him out of business..

It has been a long time since he discussed it so I am probably wrong....(legal disclaimer)

You mean he's mad at Apple too? He11, he hates about the only profitable businesses in this country.

[pphilfran]

You mean he's mad at Apple too? He11, he hates about the only profitable businesses in this country.

LOL

[diverdog]

I will try to get this right...

He owned an Apple store and Apple set up a company store and undercut his prices and drove him out of business..

It has been a long time since he discussed it so I am probably wrong....(legal disclaimer)

That and allowed Best Buy to sell Apple products including the iPhone when they told us they wouldn't. There is talk of Apple Specialist suing Apple for unfair business practices as a class action.

[diverdog]

You mean he's mad at Apple too? He11, he hates about the only profitable businesses in this country.

What other companies am I supposed to be made at? Since we leased the farm I love oil companies.

[okie52]

What other companies am I supposed to be made at? Since we leased the farm I love oil companies.

You leased your farm to an oil company? How long ago was that? Doesn't sound very green of you.

[Turd_Ferguson]

What other companies am I supposed to be made at? Since we leased the farm I love oil companies.So you're cool with you making money, just not others...go tit.

[diverdog]

You leased your farm to an oil company? How long ago was that? Doesn't sound very green of you.

Okie:

I posted that about 6 weeks ago. It is for gas wells and I openly stated that you could paint my as a hypocrite. Everyone has a price. Mine is just much lower than most. :tennis:

[diverdog]

So you're cool with you making money, just not others...go tit.

No I never said such a thing. What I do not like is the rampant speculation in the oil markets that add as much as 40% to the cost of gas (as stated by the President of Exxon). And Okie knows my grandfather worked his way up from Rufnek to a Tool Pusher. So I don't have some deep seated hatred for oil.....except maybe BP.

[OU_Sooners75]

No I never said such a thing. What I do not like is the rampant speculation in the oil markets that add as much as 40% to the cost of gas (as stated by the President of Exxon). And Okie knows my grandfather worked his way up from Rufnek to a Tool Pusher. So I don't have some deep seated hatred for oil.....except maybe BP.

So in the miltary threads, you and family have served.
In farm threads, your family owns a farm.
In oil threads, you grandpa has worked the oil fields.


If we have a prostitution thread will there be a family member that is or was a prostitute?

[diverdog]

So in the miltary threads, you and family have served.
In farm threads, your family owns a farm.
In oil threads, you grandpa has worked the oil fields.


If we have a prostitution thread will there be a family member that is or was a prostitute?

Let me lay it out for you.

Both my mother and father grew up on farms in Oklahoma and mom got part of her farm from her dad about 40 years ago. They have since bought more land. My dad was basically living on a farm as a share cropper because they were to poor to own land.

My fathers parents were divorced and his dad worked out of Odessa Texas in the oil fields as a rufneck and then a tool pusher. We would drive to see him at the well sites most of the time because he lived in a trailer. He drilled for about everyone including Getty. His last company was (I believe) Midland Marine which I do not think is around anymore.

When my dad graduated from college he went into the military and flew as a pilot and he retired as an O6. Mom and dad would send me to Oklahoma in the summer to work on my uncles farm/ranch and I did that every summer from 8th grade through college. He also farmed mom and dads place. (I said they were absentee land owners). The farm mom and dad own is near Okarche. The other family farms (relatives) were located in Kingfisher County. Mom's farm is a farm that was in the family from the land rush and she has the deed that was signed by Teddy Roosevelt.

My parents retired in Delaware after dad got out of the service. I got stationed at Dover and decided to stay as well.

And since you mentioned prostitutes.....well our suspicions are my moms grandmother was most likely a prostitute since she was out in the boom towns when Oklahoma was still a territory. Most women on the frontier were not there for any other reason.

Does that help?

[OU_Sooners75]

Let me lay it out for you.

Both my mother and father grew up on farms in Oklahoma and mom got part of her farm from her dad about 40 years ago. They have since bought more land. My dad was basically living on a farm as a share cropper because they were to poor to own land.

My fathers parents were divorced and his dad worked out of Odessa Texas in the oil fields as a rufneck and then a tool pusher. We would drive to see him at the well sites most of the time because he lived in a trailer. He drilled for about everyone including Getty. His last company was (I believe) Midland Marine which I do not think is around anymore.

When my dad graduated from college he went into the military and flew as a pilot and he retired as an O6. Mom and dad would send me to Oklahoma in the summer to work on my uncles farm/ranch and I did that every summer from 8th grade through college. He also farmed mom and dads place. (I said they were absentee land owners). The farm mom and dad own is near Okarche. The other family farms (relatives) were located in Kingfisher County. Mom's farm is a farm that was in the family from the land rush and she has the deed that was signed by Teddy Roosevelt.

My parents retired in Delaware after dad got out of the service. I got stationed at Dover and decided to stay as well.

And since you mentioned prostitutes.....well our suspicions are my moms grandmother was most likely a prostitute since she was out in the boom towns when Oklahoma was still a territory. Most women on the frontier were not there for any other reason.

Does that help?

LOL

Not laughing at what all you said about your family history....doesnt really bother me one way or the other. But laughing about what you said about your moms gma...LOL

[diverdog]

LOL

Not laughing at what all you said about your family history....doesnt really bother me one way or the other. But laughing about what you said about your moms gma...LOL

Mom will never admit to it but my dad found some pretty damming evidence. He won't let her live it down.

[SicEmBaylor]

At least SicEm's honest about his reasons for immigration control. It's not about economic opportunity for him since he's never tried to find a job. He just doesn't like brown people.
I don't hate Hispanics. Hell, I have a couple of close friends that are Hispanic. What I hate is immigration of all sorts and shapes. I'm opposed to both legal and illegal immigration regardless of nation of origin; however, I concede that I am somewhat less opposed to immigration from Commonwealth nations. The reason is simple -- our nation was built by Anglo-Saxons with Anglo-Saxon/Western European political principles. Our heritage is predominantly western European, and western Europeans have contributed more to the advancement of individual rights and liberty than any other civilization on Earth. There is a lot to be proud of.

Why on Earth would we want to import 3rd world riff-raff that have had decades or centuries to build thriving nations and civilizations based on their own culture? While Thomas Paine was writing "Common Sense" a large portion of the Earth had barely developed the wheel. The only reason many of these societies moved on from their loin-cloth roots is because Europeans brought to them civilization with colonization.

Do I want them to visit the United States? Sure! Do I want to give some of them the opportunity to study here? Sure! Hell, I would even accept very temporary work visas in very limited numbers so long as it didn't lead to permanent residency or citizenship.

They're an economic burden, they take our jobs, they dilute our culture, increase the "balkanization" of America, and their food is often overrated.


How was that a personal attack? Busting sic'em's balls for his lack of female skills or ever being gainfully employed is just a pasttime at SF.com.
Aye, I take no offense.

I like sic'em besides his unnatural fondness for that evil skeletor chick and that dude that dunks in women's bball games.
Both of whom are lovely women.

Sic'em brings real thought out opinions to the board that don't come from some tv talking head.
If my ideas came from a talking head, they'd get fired. ;)


My honest opinion is I like the brown people because I like to get stuff done around the house for cheap.
The long term costs are far far greater than the cheap home repair.

SicEm and I would never fight if it weren't for those two beyonces :mad:
:sigh: If only you weren't married. ;)


As for immigration... it's inevitable that it eventually slows down or stops. My hope is that if people elect to stay or return to Mexico, that it can become a stronger country, like one that was able to host the Olympics in 60s. They'd probably never be able to do that now. :(
I don't think it's inevitable that it will eventually slow down. I think globalists are winning the fight to make borders increasingly irrelevant around the world.

[Midtowner]

How about Apples profits...bet that would get your blood boiling...

Want to compare oil company and Apple's tax subsidy situations?

Profits are great, but profitable companies don't need taxpayer subsidy.

[okie52]

Want to compare oil company and Apple's tax subsidy situations?

Profits are great, but profitable companies don't need taxpayer subsidy.

Yes, please explain oil subsidies.

[pphilfran]

Want to compare oil company and Apple's tax subsidy situations?

Profits are great, but profitable companies don't need taxpayer subsidy.

You use subsidies to move an industry in the direction you want...

What would happen to short, mid, and long term fuel prices if all "subsidies" were removed?

Would we have more or less drilling and production?
Would we have lower or higher fuel prices?
Would oil industry profits really take any significant hit?

[OULenexaman]

Less.....Higher....and no.

[pphilfran]

I tend to agree...

[pphilfran]

We would save x billions in subsidies/taxes...but we would pay x billions more in gas prices so the overall cost wouldn't change significantly...

But the poor would get hit due to the higher fuel price and since they don't pay any significant amount of income taxes they would have a net loss...

Another thing that we want to do that does not fit the "help the poor" attitude that is so pervasive...

[OULenexaman]

I also cannot think of 1 single thing I really like about Obama.

[okie52]

We would save x billions in subsidies/taxes...but we would pay x billions more in gas prices so the overall cost wouldn't change significantly...

But the poor would get hit due to the higher fuel price and since they don't pay any significant amount of income taxes they would have a net loss...

Another thing that we want to do that does not fit the "help the poor" attitude that is so pervasive...

There's also the unfair aspect of targeting just the oil and gas industry for their tax writeoffs and giving all the other manufacturers the same tax breaks. Nothing new to a regime or mentality that also wanted windfall profits tax for just the oil and gas industry...don't remember it being mentioned for Wall Street, the tech industry, etc...

Profit can be such a bad word to some.

[OULenexaman]

And then there is this wonderful little tidbit from earleir this week......

EPA Official's 'Philosophy' On Oil Companies: 'Crucify Them' - Just As Romans Crucified Conquered Citizens
Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) took to the Senate floor yesterday to draw attention to a video of a top EPA official saying the EPA’s “philosophy” is to “crucify” and “make examples” of oil and gas companies - just as the Romans crucified random citizens in areas they conquered to ensure obedience. Inhofe quoted a little-watched video from 2010 of Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) official, Region VI Administrator Al Armendariz, admitting that EPA’s “general philosophy” is to “crucify” and “make examples” of oil and gas companies. In the video, Administrator Armendariz says:

“I was in a meeting once and I gave an analogy to my staff about my philosophy of enforcement, and I think it was probably a little crude and maybe not appropriate for the meeting, but I’ll go ahead and tell you what I said: It was kind of like how the Romans used to, you know, conquer villages in the Mediterranean. They’d go in to a little Turkish town somewhere, they’dfind the first five guys they saw and they’d crucify them. Then, you know, that town was really easy to manage for the next few years.”

Soon after Armendariz touted the EPA’s “philosophy,” the EPA began smear campaigns against natural gas producers, Inhofe’s office noted in advance of today’s Senate speech:

“Not long after Administrator Armendariz made these comments in 2010, EPA targeted US natural gas producers in Pennsylvania, Texas and Wyoming. In all three of these cases, EPA initially made headline-grabbing statements either insinuating or proclaiming outright that the use of hydraulic fracturing by American energy producers was the cause of water contamination, but in each case their comments were premature at best – and despite their most valiant efforts, they have been unable to find any sound scientific evidence to make this link.”
(CNS NEWS)

Then the apology…
The Obama-appointed Environmental Protection Agency official who explained that the agency uses a “crucify them” enforcement philosophy against oil and gas companies apologized for his comments on Wednesday night. “I apologize to those I have offended and regret my poor choice of words,” Region 6 EPA Administrator Al Armendariz said in a statement provided to The Daily Caller. “It was an offensive and inaccurate way to portray our efforts to address potential violations of our nation’s environmental laws. I am and have always been committed to fair and vigorous enforcement of those laws. ”

[Mazeppa]

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