2012 OSU vs OU by Position (Copied from OrangePower.com)

[possumfat]

I just had to post this................how far we have dropped off ;)

Just a quick comparison of the position groups between the 2 schools....

QB: OU - I have to give them the edge because they have a senior QB who is pretty good (not great)
RB: OSU - it's not even close. They were scrambling to find a RB before signing day and got a guy from JUCO and an athlete in Daniel Brooks.
WR/TE: even - Both teams lost its go to guy. I think we have the potential to be better this season.
OL: OSU - in Wickline we trust.

DL: even - both teams lost their starting DEs. In years past I would give OU the edge every time but the talent gap is closing.
LB: OSU - we return 3 starters and all the backups sans James Thomas. Coach Spencer said there's really not that much of a difference between the 1's and 2's .... we are deep!
CB: OSU - the duo of Gilbert and Brown are either 1 or 1a in the conference (Texas has other duo)
Safeties: even - they have Jefferson and we have Lowe.

Special Teams: OSU - Gilbert as a kick returner (and maybe punt returner) and Sharp gives us the advantage over an OU team that recently have struggled with special teams.

Thoughts??

[boomersooner28]

They can have RB's and CB's. Thats it. They are getting the good weed in Stillwater now.

[budbarrybob]

We're Doomed!

[meoveryouxinfinity]

I stopped reading after they gave us the slight edge in the QB column.

[LVSOONER15]

I can't wait to smash them.

[kbsooner21]

Sheep humpers so out of touch with reality.

[sooneredaco]

Toothless sheep humpers crack me up. Gumby has one win against Stoops and they are all world all of the sudden.

[KantoSooner]

It was kind of like listening to a guy who just hit a $1,000 jackpot on a slot machine explain his 'method' for beating the house at a casino.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

My opinion

QB: OU - Agree
RB: OSU - Agree
WR/TE: even - Disagree..They lost their best WR and their 2nd best in Cooper..Anyiam is gone..Stills, Reynolds, Franks and Jackson all are back and add a great group of WRs coming in...
OL: OSU - hmmm...I would say even here..

DL: even - Disagree here...Lost starting DEs but King and Washington played a lot and did rather well..DTs are back..
LB: OSU -Agree..
CB: OSU - Agree
Safeties: even -Agree
Special Teams: OSU - Has been this way for years.

[LVSOONER15]

Did any of you guys read the rest of that thread? Those people over there idiots. They are going to be shot back into reality very quickly this season.

[Fraggle145]

My opinion

QB: OU - Agree
RB: OSU - Agree
WR/TE: even - Disagree..They lost their best WR and their 2nd best in Cooper..Anyiam is gone..Stills, Reynolds, Franks and Jackson all are back and add a great group of WRs coming in...
OL: OSU - hmmm...I would say even here..

DL: even - Disagree here...Lost starting DEs but King and Washington played a lot and did rather well..DTs are back..
LB: OSU -Agree..
CB: OSU - Agree
Safeties: even -Agree
Special Teams: OSU - Has been this way for years.

Sad that our D has gotten to this state...

[stoops the eternal pimp]

I think it's pretty ridiculous to feel like you can learn anything from a spring game either way.

[LVSOONER15]

I think it's pretty ridiculous to feel like you can learn anything from a spring game either way.

You got that right. Its just another practice, except in front of alot more people.

[picasso]

I think oSu will miss Taylor Weeden.

[starclassic tama]

Sad that our D has gotten to this state...my sentiments exactly... the high flying offense can be fun to watch but give me 2000-2002 sooners any day of the week

[LVSOONER15]

my sentiments exactly... the high flying offense can be fun to watch but give me 2000-2002 sooners any day of the week

I'll go ahead and second that. I just watched some of the games from the 2000 season and I really enjoyed the aggresiveness and real emotion of that team.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

I don't think a lack of emotion and aggression has been an issue in defense...The lack of discipline has been the issue IMO. Emotion and aggression will get you 15 yard penalties and burned deep, which we have seen our fill..

[starclassic tama]

I don't think a lack of emotion and aggression has been an issue in defense...The lack of discipline has been the issue IMO. Emotion and aggression will get you 15 yard penalties and burned deep, which we have seen our fill..

exactly... the problem isn't swagger, aggression, emotion, or killer instinct. the problem is the guys early on in stoops' career were able to play assignment sound no matter how intense or stressful the game environment was.

[OUTrumpet]

Who cares about individual units compared across like this. It means jack squat. Our d-line will never go against their d-line. Our qb will never be on the field the same time as theirs.

I'm more interested in our o-line vs their d-line. Vice versa.

Our tight ends/running backs against their backers, both blocking and receiving.

Receivers against their secondary.

All I know is they graduated a huge portion of their team. How good are the players that are stepping up?

[8timechamps]

I don't think a lack of emotion and aggression has been an issue in defense...The lack of discipline has been the issue IMO. Emotion and aggression will get you 15 yard penalties and burned deep, which we have seen our fill..

I'm not sure it was even much of a discipline thing. I think last year was more about players being confused about their assignments (even late in the season). Simplifying the defense should alleviate that issue.

Although, you could argue a more disciplined player would know their assignments on every play...

[C&CDean]

I think it's been about 1-2 players taking over the locker room and ****ing up the whole deal. It ain't about 1-2 players. It's about OU.

That being said, there's no way in hell I can sit here and rationally compare anything OSU to OU. We've got the interlocking OU on our lid. We've got like a brazillion championships in every conference/venue we've played in. We've got Bud, Barry, and Bob. We've got multiple Heismans/Thorpes/Nagurskis/other awards. Umpteen AAs. **** OSU. And the lame assed faggot who steers the POS pony they rode in on. We're OU. They're aggy. TIA.

[goingoneight]

OSU is a big mystery to all OSU fans right now. Period. They're just high off of the 2011 season and in this case a rare win over OU. They could continue to progress as a team, they could regress for a year. No doubt Gundy and his staff are doing wonders there... but let's not pretend they just magically became a better program, coaching staff or team because OU unfortunately collapsed late last season.

QB... the "not great" comment reeks of jealousy. Landry Jones as a 20-year old sophomore was every bit the QB the 40-year old Weeden was in 2010. So, because OU struggled late in 2011, Jones just all of a sudden became "good, not great?" I guess that means OSU's team had no future stars after their 2009 late season collapse. Hmmm... didn't work that way when you put an orange tint on misfortune, did it? Jones is the best and most accomplished QB in the BIG 12 until it's proven otherwise in 2012. It kills them to at the very least tip their hat to even the classiest Sooner. Reminds me of the thread they had about how Bobby Reid would start at OU *after* Sam led the nation in pass efficiency AND Reid had been benched in Stillwater.

Like stated above... OUr QB won't ever face theirs. Neither will OUr RBs face theirs. They once had without question the best backfield in CFB history and still lost to OU. See how that works, aggy? The game lies in what OUr teams will look like come November. If one team is eaten alive by the injury bug, it changes things. Not always (see 2009 OU-OSU)... but usually. ON PAPER... IF both teams magically survived healthy... the game is still in Norman... it's still Bob Stoops versus Mike Gundy and there's still many more unknowns about OSU at this point than there are about OU.

Try and remember that these pokies are relying on another surprise emergence like they had in 2010 after 2009. It might happen. But no one can be lucky forever.

[picasso]

Yeah, Landry torched their asses in '09 and '10 with a full set of skill players around him. The pokes are lucky they didn't get to see Weeden play in Norman.

[85sooners]

Phuck all poke fans!

[CowboyMRW]

Here is my breakdown:

Jones last year reminded me a lot of Weeden in 2010. We all knew the giant leap that Weeden took coming into his senior year and I don't think it's that far fetched to say Jones isn't capable of making that same leap. Plus we have 3 unproven qb's right now so I'd say edge to OU.

RBs: Obviously that one goes to OSU
WRs: I think that this is going to be very interesting for both teams. Who's going to step up to replace Blackmon/Broyles for both teams. Both teams have excellent talent on paper, we'll see how that transfers to the field in the fall.
OL: I tend to give that one a push. We lost a lot off of our team, but we do have the best OL coach in America. I'm not sure what OU returns, but I believe it's 4/5 of their starting 5, and they didn't give up many sacks last year at all.

Defensively, OU doesn't seem to be as strong as they have in the past. We'll see what Mike Stoops brings to them, but honestly I don't think he's going to be much of an upgrade over Venables.

DL: While we're deeper than we've ever been, I think we're still a little off from being great on the line. Hopefully I'm wrong but I tend to give OU a slight edge in that regard.
LB: I think our LBs as a group could be some of the best in the Big 12/nation especially if Shaun Lewis returns to his freshman form.
CB: This is one area that just like RB I give us a major edge in, especially since they lost Fleming. Our starting 2 CBs are very explosive and dynamic players and should allow our defense to do things that we have never been able to do with blitz packages as they are two elite cover corners.
S: Another push imo. Jefferson=Lowe and I'm not impressed with Harris. Big hitter but looks lost in coverage. On the flip side, I don't know who our other safety will be, so I give a push.

Looks like for the future both teams from Oklahoma are going to be doing a lot of winning and should make for some great upcoming Bedlam games.

Obviously as others have pointed it out the game will come down to how our OL vs your DL and vise verse will play out. But should be fun. Hopefully in the coming years more Big 12 championships come down the Bedlam game

[Eielson]

Jones last year reminded me a lot of Weeden in 2010. We all knew the giant leap that Weeden took coming into his senior year and I don't think it's that far fetched to say Jones isn't capable of making that same leap. Plus we have 3 unproven qb's right now so I'd say edge to OU.

You think Landry is a giant leap behind Weeden? I know Landry's stats were down with the Belldozer formation and the loss of Broyles, but his sophomore stats look pretty similar to Weeden's senior stats. If you're anywhere near right, then I'm incredibly blinded by biasness.

[StoopTroup]

The Landry to Broyles connection was one that had been awesome to watch for 2 1/2 years and came to a close due to injury. I don't know very many College QBs who have ever shook a Mid Season loss of such a high caliber WR like Broyles.

oSu breathed a huge sigh of relief the moment Ryan blew his knee last year.

The only difference between Weeden and Jones last Season was that Jones lost his College Career "Go To" Guy and Weeden didn't. Jones is a better QB than Weeden and it's not even close.

[StoopTroup]

I just had to post this................how far we have dropped off ;)

Just a quick comparison of the position groups between the 2 schools....

QB: OU - I have to give them the edge because they have a senior QB who is pretty good (not great)
RB: OSU - it's not even close. They were scrambling to find a RB before signing day and got a guy from JUCO and an athlete in Daniel Brooks.
WR/TE: even - Both teams lost its go to guy. I think we have the potential to be better this season.
OL: OSU - in Wickline we trust.

DL: even - both teams lost their starting DEs. In years past I would give OU the edge every time but the talent gap is closing.
LB: OSU - we return 3 starters and all the backups sans James Thomas. Coach Spencer said there's really not that much of a difference between the 1's and 2's .... we are deep!
CB: OSU - the duo of Gilbert and Brown are either 1 or 1a in the conference (Texas has other duo)
Safeties: even - they have Jefferson and we have Lowe.

Special Teams: OSU - Gilbert as a kick returner (and maybe punt returner) and Sharp gives us the advantage over an OU team that recently have struggled with special teams.

Thoughts??

You are a Poke?

[colleyvillesooner]

my sentiments exactly... the high flying offense can be fun to watch but give me 2000-2002 sooners any day of the week

This is exactly what all the Landry bashers deserve...Nate Hybl.

[NMSooner'80]

The text borrowed by the OP wasn't as bad as some stuff that was penned by a Poke named "currentken." That joker picked the 2003 OU team to finish fifth - in the Big 12 South. He also said that some no-name WR's were better than Mark Clayton and Brandon Jones going into that season.

[picasso]

Looks like for the future both teams from Oklahoma are going to be doing a lot of winning and should make for some great upcoming Bedlam games.


The future has always looked good in Norman. You guys? One never knows.

[picasso]

The text borrowed by the OP wasn't as bad as some stuff that was penned by a Poke named "currentken." That joker picked the 2003 OU team to finish fifth - in the Big 12 South. He also said that some no-name WR's were better than Mark Clayton and Brandon Jones going into that season.
Same **** I heard from my golfing buddies. No way we could replace Q, Trent Smith, the wr's, etc..

[CobraKai]

I'm not sure I would give OSU a huge advantage at CB, given that Demontre Hurst is best of the bunch. If Aaron Colvin plays CB there is no doubt the tandem of Colvin/Hurst is better than anything they put out there (if not better than any combo in the conference). If Colvin is not playing CB then I would say the combo of Colvin and Jefferson at safety is tough to call a "wash." We get bedowngraded for losing Fleming but they don't for losing Markel Martin?

Can't really argue with the rest, although I think QB is a HUGE advantage our way, and I personally think our DL is better.

[soonerboy_odanorth]

Can't really argue with the rest, although I think QB is a HUGE advantage our way, and I personally think our DL is better.

I have to argue O-line as well. They lost either 3 of 5 starters or 4 of 5 starters however you look at it to graduation (or expiration of eligibility). We lost 1. We were not an all world run blocking team, but Landry was well protected last year. (Didn't we give up the least amount of sacks in the conf?) And as for run blocking... the runner, or committee in place of, probably had something to do with the perceived lack of production in the run game the second half of the year. 627 in 6 games for your feature back with Whaley is pretty dang good. Especially considering FSU and Texas were two of the defenses we faced in those first 6.

Our O-line should be better by a long shot this coming season.

[CobraKai]

I have to argue O-line as well. They lost either 3 of 5 starters or 4 of 5 starters however you look at it to graduation (or expiration of eligibility). We lost 1. We were not an all world run blocking team, but Landry was well protected last year. (Didn't we give up the least amount of sacks in the conf?) And as for run blocking... the runner, or committee in place of, probably had something to do with the perceived lack of production in the run game the second half of the year. 627 in 6 games for your feature back with Whaley is pretty dang good. Especially considering FSU and Texas were two of the defenses we faced in those first 6.

Our O-line should be better by a long shot this coming season.

I can see that, although I agree with their point re Wickline. Each year I think their line will suck and every year that guy seems to put a pretty darn good line out there. I think he is their best coach.

[8timechamps]

Last year was a perfect storm scenario for the pokes. Texas was down, A&M over-hyped and unable to hold a lead after halftime, and we lost any chance at a title run when Broyles went down (not to mention losing Whaley). The pokes had very few injury issues, and through the magic of scheduling, didn't have to come to Norman for a second consecutive year. They got OU, Baylor and K-State at home, and played nobody of any value out of the conference.

I'm not taking anything away from them, they had the best team ever in the history of football in Stillwater. But, they lost just about every relevant piece of that team. And their recruiting over the past few years hasn't set the world on fire. They benefited from having one amazing reciever follow another over the past few years, and complemented that with an experienced leader at QB. Those are not things that will factor in to the 2012 team.

I think we'll see a major drop-off for oSu this season. I do think oSu has put together a much more competitive program since Gundy took over, and I think they'll be perennially in the top half of the conference, but fighting for a conference championship every year? Nope.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Who cares about individual units compared across like this. It means jack squat. Our d-line will never go against their d-line. Our qb will never be on the field the same time as theirs.

I'm more interested in our o-line vs their d-line. Vice versa.

Our tight ends/running backs against their backers, both blocking and receiving.

Receivers against their secondary.

All I know is they graduated a huge portion of their team. How good are the players that are stepping up?.


You unbelievable buzz kill.

[CowboyMRW]

You think Landry is a giant leap behind Weeden? I know Landry's stats were down with the Belldozer formation and the loss of Broyles, but his sophomore stats look pretty similar to Weeden's senior stats. If you're anywhere near right, then I'm incredibly blinded by biasness.

I never said that. I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. Landry looked a lot like Weeden his junior year in some of the decisions they both made with the ball.

Weeden took a major step forward in his decision making and refinement of his skills coming into his senior year, and I think Jones could do the same.

[CowboyMRW]

Last year was a perfect storm scenario for the pokes. Texas was down, A&M over-hyped and unable to hold a lead after halftime, and we lost any chance at a title run when Broyles went down (not to mention losing Whaley). The pokes had very few injury issues, and through the magic of scheduling, didn't have to come to Norman for a second consecutive year. They got OU, Baylor and K-State at home, and played nobody of any value out of the conference.

I'm not taking anything away from them, they had the best team ever in the history of football in Stillwater. But, they lost just about every relevant piece of that team. And their recruiting over the past few years hasn't set the world on fire. They benefited from having one amazing reciever follow another over the past few years, and complemented that with an experienced leader at QB. Those are not things that will factor in to the 2012 team.

I think we'll see a major drop-off for oSu this season. I do think oSu has put together a much more competitive program since Gundy took over, and I think they'll be perennially in the top half of the conference, but fighting for a conference championship every year? Nope.

I'd be willing to bet that OSU still wins 10 games or more this year, and finishes top 3 in the conference. Depending on how our QB turns out is whether I think we'll win the conference or finish 3rd.

[8timechamps]

I'd be willing to bet that OSU still wins 10 games or more this year, and finishes top 3 in the conference. Depending on how our QB turns out is whether I think we'll win the conference or finish 3rd.

You're on!

Avatar of the winnah's choice for a month.

[CowboyMRW]

You're on!

Avatar of the winnah's choice for a month.

Sounds good to me haha.

Speaking of betting, where's Badger. I wonder if I can change my avatar and location

[olevetonahill]

I'd be willing to bet that OSU still wins 10 games or more this year, and finishes top 3 in the conference. Depending on how our QB turns out is whether I think we'll win the conference or finish 3rd.

How much? Ill lay a 100 on OsU not makin 10 wins

[MamaMia]

RBs do NOT go to oSu. Just wait and see.

We had a really tough year because we didn't have adequate backups ready to win games when our starters became injured. Not that this hasnt been an ongoing problem for Stoops but surely we wont have that problem this year.

[CowboyMRW]

RBs do NOT go to oSu. Just wait and see.

We had a really tough year because we didn't have adequate backups ready to win games when our starters became injured. Not that this hasnt been an ongoing problem for Stoops but surely we wont have that problem this year.

I know a lot of positions can go back and forth depending on what color tint your glasses are, but this is one position that I have to say that is most definitely a lock for OSU. Maybe next year, with Ford coming in and Ross getting a year to get his body more ready, I would say that OU would have a chance to be better, but not this year. Our top 3 could start for a lot of teams in the country, imho.

[picasso]

Top 3? Smith is ok but he's not in the same league as Randle. You pokes are a goofy bunch.

[8timechamps]

I know a lot of positions can go back and forth depending on what color tint your glasses are, but this is one position that I have to say that is most definitely a lock for OSU. Maybe next year, with Ford coming in and Ross getting a year to get his body more ready, I would say that OU would have a chance to be better, but not this year. Our top 3 could start for a lot of teams in the country, imho.

Yeah, you may be a little biased on the orange tinted glasses scale. Randle is a stud, but don't go overboard.

The only reason I would give oSu the RB position is due to the questions we have at RB. If Whaley comes back at 100%, watch out. With Clay stepping up this Spring and Finch already a great change of pace back, it could be a push in the RB category. But, as it stands with what we know, I'll say oSu is better at the position...for now.

[SoonerKnight]

I think it's been about 1-2 players taking over the locker room and ****ing up the whole deal. It ain't about 1-2 players. It's about OU.

That being said, there's no way in hell I can sit here and rationally compare anything OSU to OU. We've got the interlocking OU on our lid. We've got like a brazillion championships in every conference/venue we've played in. We've got Bud, Barry, and Bob. We've got multiple Heismans/Thorpes/Nagurskis/other awards. Umpteen AAs. **** OSU. And the lame assed faggot who steers the POS pony they rode in on. We're OU. They're aggy. TIA.


Fuggin AWESOME!!!!!

[texaspokieokie]

I think it's been about 1-2 players taking over the locker room and ****ing up the whole deal. It ain't about 1-2 players. It's about OU.

That being said, there's no way in hell I can sit here and rationally compare anything OSU to OU. We've got the interlocking OU on our lid. We've got like a brazillion championships in every conference/venue we've played in. We've got Bud, Barry, and Bob. We've got multiple Heismans/Thorpes/Nagurskis/other awards. Umpteen AAs. **** OSU. And the lame assed faggot who steers the POS pony they rode in on. We're OU. They're aggy. TIA.Dean has a clever reply for anything. Or everything.

[texaspokieokie]

How much? Ill lay a 100 on OsU not makin 10 wins 100 what ???
you probably still owe for the last 2 years.

[StoopTroup]

I'll lay a 100 lashings with a wet noodle that oSu don't beat Fexas this year.

[MamaMia]

All we are doing is making predictions about what our RB position will be compared to oSus, based our opinions on a few facts, hypothesis and maybe some gut feelings. I'm using my womens intuition. Beat that! All of you people saying our RBs wont be better than oSus better get your excuses for being wrong ready because I'm going to be calling you out on it as the season progresses, oh ye of little faith. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/OUmom/smilies/shy02.gif

[8timechamps]

All we are doing is making predictions about what our RB position will be compared to oSus, based our opinions on a few facts, hypothesis and maybe some gut feelings. I'm using my womens intuition. Beat that! All of you people saying our RBs wont be better than oSus better get your excuses for being wrong ready because I'm going to be calling you out on it as the season progresses, oh ye of little faith. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/OUmom/smilies/shy02.gif

Don't forget my qualifier:


If Whaley comes back at 100%, watch out.

[olevetonahill]

100 what ???
you probably still owe for the last 2 years.
100 dollars You want it?

And NO, I dont Owe anyone anything i pay any and all bets that I lose

Now Put yer cash where yer mouth is ag.

[texaspokieokie]

100 dollars You want it?

And NO, I dont Owe anyone anything i pay any and all bets that I lose

Now Put yer cash where yer mouth is ag.i ain't bettin with you,simply because i don't want to.
why do you call me ag ?? I've been OU football fan almost as long as you've been alive. Since early 50s. (i know, you're older than that)
Been OU football season ticket holder since 1989. all thru Gibbs, Snelly & Blake years. actually, 2011 will be my last season. Gettin too old.

Estimate i've seen 130 OU games live.
Even was student there for a short time.

[texaspokieokie]

RBs do NOT go to oSu. Just wait and see.

We had a really tough year because we didn't have adequate backups ready to win games when our starters became injured. Not that this hasnt been an ongoing problem for Stoops but surely we wont have that problem this year.I guess you're excluding NFL hall of fame RB thurman thomas & the guy (also NFL hall of famer) that followed him @ osu.

in one poll i've seen, randle is top rated big 12 back, going into 2012 season.

[badger]

Sad that our D has gotten to this state...

It's so cold in the D.

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[badger]

Speaking of betting, where's Badger. I wonder if I can change my avatar and location

Maternity leave from SF.com (expired a week ago) and vBookie (indefinite). Baby badger is now 5 weeks old so I'm getting a few more opportunities to sleep and post to sf.com now.

You and NYC are free of avvie/location/etc. obligations, so long as you do not wake the sleeping baby badger. Wake the sleeping baby badger, and you will feel my vModador mommy wrath.

[8timechamps]

Maternity leave from SF.com (expired a week ago) and vBookie (indefinite). Baby badger is now 5 weeks old so I'm getting a few more opportunities to sleep and post to sf.com now.

You and NYC are free of avvie/location/etc. obligations, so long as you do not wake the sleeping baby badger. Wake the sleeping baby badger, and you will feel my vModador mommy wrath.

I think that's just a good rule for life. Don't wake the sleeping baby badger.

[badger]

Don't wake the sleeping baby badger.

Oh yeah, totally. She doesn't have teeth yet though, so no worries about rabies yet if you wake her. Mommy badger, however, will definitely bite your head off if you wake the sleeping baby badger.