For the first time in my life...

[OU_Sooners75]

I am something other than a registered democrat!

[Curly Bill]

What took you so long? You're not a minority, nor a criminal, you work, you should never have been a donk.

[OU_Sooners75]

What took you so long? You're not a minority, nor a criminal, you work, you should never have been a donk.

I guess age is catching up. I am finding myself more and more conservative as each year passes.

Maybe my mind is finally starting to reach adulthood? lol

[achiro]

Teach a man to fish and he'll no longer be a democrat.

[olevetonahill]

Im still registered as a Dem.

[sooner_born_1960]

Im still registered as a Dem.
Bring me your hook. I'll put a worm on it for you.

[olevetonahill]

Bring me your hook. I'll put a worm on it for you.

Aint fishin bro
I really am a Reg. Dem

[XingTheRubicon]

20 year old me: conservatives are so short sighted, they just don't see the big picture

40 year old me: Inexperienced, opinionated people are humorous.

[Curly Bill]

Teach a man to fish and he'll no longer be a democrat.

...but give that man a fish and you'll have to keep giving him fish - but he will vote donk til the day he dies, and maybe even afterwards.

[OULenexaman]

so am I....I remain that way just so I can **** them off.

[cleller]

I wouldn't say I'm getting less conservative as I get older, but am getting less happy with my party. (Republican) At 20 being Republican to me meant standing up to the commies and ayatollahs, sneering at the Ted Kennedy Great Society spoon-feeders and trying to get taxes down to something sensible.

The Republicans seem to have lost some of their focus. I'm slanting a little Libertarian, maybe.

[OU_Sooners75]

I am not registered as a republican either.

I think both parties are about as benign as one can get.

[KantoSooner]

If you're not a socialist in your youth, you have no heart.
If you're not a conservative in your maturity, you have no brain.
- Winston Churchill

(I probably mangled the quote, but it's close enough).

[cleller]

If you're not a socialist in your youth, you have no heart.
If you're not a conservative in your maturity, you have no brain.
- Winston Churchill

(I probably mangled the quote, but it's close enough).

"I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest."
Winston Churchill

"I cannot forecast to you the nature of our relationship. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside and enigma, with a chewy nougat center"
Bill Clinton to an anonymous intern.

[diverdog]

What took you so long? You're not a minority, nor a criminal, you work, you should never have been a donk.


Right? So now he is a war mongering racist religious nut job that favors the rich and corporations over the middle class.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Right? So now he is a war mongering racist religious nut job that favors the rich and corporations over the middle class.He's not, he just matured enough to understand that what you typed above is what the liberal *****'s put out as the boogie man...

[C&CDean]

I was a registered D my whole life and voted that way...until Jimmy Carter came along. Actually, I did vote for him, and almost felt dirty when I voted for Reagan in 1980 as a D. After his first term, I switched parties feeling like I oughta actually support what I believed in. Been a registered R since.

All that being said, the R party is nothing like it was back then. I did not vote in any primaries, and probably won't vote this fall. There's nobody out there worthy of my vote, and I won't vote for an Independent because all that does is insure a D will slip back in. In short, politics/politicians in this country is one ****ed up pile of moose scat. It's odiferous, and I want no part of it. I haven't watched a debate, a news program, or even 10-seconds of any political talk on TV or the radio. I simply don't care about it anymore. **** em all. In the A.

[diverdog]

He's not, he just matured enough to understand that what you typed above is what the liberal *****'s put out as the boogie man...

No hopefully he is mature enough to think for himself and not buy off on the BS espoused by either party. BTW I am registered as unaffiliated.

[diverdog]

I was a registered D my whole life and voted that way...until Jimmy Carter came along. Actually, I did vote for him, and almost felt dirty when I voted for Reagan in 1980 as a D. After his first term, I switched parties feeling like I oughta actually support what I believed in. Been a registered R since.

All that being said, the R party is nothing like it was back then. I did not vote in any primaries, and probably won't vote this fall. There's nobody out there worthy of my vote, and I won't vote for an Independent because all that does is insure a D will slip back in. In short, politics/politicians in this country is one ****ed up pile of moose scat. It's odiferous, and I want no part of it. I haven't watched a debate, a news program, or even 10-seconds of any political talk on TV or the radio. I simply don't care about it anymore. **** em all. In the A.

+1

[8timechamps]

I wouldn't say I'm getting less conservative as I get older, but am getting less happy with my party. (Republican) At 20 being Republican to me meant standing up to the commies and ayatollahs, sneering at the Ted Kennedy Great Society spoon-feeders and trying to get taxes down to something sensible.

The Republicans seem to have lost some of their focus. I'm slanting a little Libertarian, maybe.

I was a republican from day one. Like many, it was because I was raised in a conservative home. I've never changed my registered status, but either the party has gone much further left, or I'm much more liberal than I used to be. If I were to change my party affiliation, I'd probably go Libertarian.

[Soonerjeepman]

I've always voted R, more for the social issues...I'm a teacher...so big business is not something I see...but I do believe in capitalism to a point...BUT do you REALLY need to make Millions after millions in profits while I have to pay $4 a gal for gas...$600 a month for insurance..? but then I do NOT want the government telling companies how to run...double edge sword...

BUT both parties are screwed in the head...and even though the frickin R can't find a good candidate in a paper bag I just can't sit and let obama get back in..hopefully he won't...

[StoopTroup]

I've always voted R, more for the social issues...I'm a teacher...so big business is not something I see...but I do believe in capitalism to a point...BUT do you REALLY need to make Millions after millions in profits while I have to pay $4 a gal for gas...$600 a month for insurance..? but then I do NOT want the government telling companies how to run...double edge sword...

BUT both parties are screwed in the head...and even though the frickin R can't find a good candidate in a paper bag I just can't sit and let obama get back in..hopefully he won't...

I agree with you on everything except that I don't think there is anyone running that will put an end to your concerns and if the Tea Baggers that took office in 2010 had done more to negoiate things instead of block everything Obama might have gotten some things done that would have inspired someone Republican to run for POTUS and try and move forward instead of backwards for 4 more years.

Now that things are just about firing Obama....I think the bunch running right now have little chance of winning and we will see President Obama and them fight for 4 more years.

The only thing I see good coming from that is if President Obama doesn't turn the economy around and unemployment doesn't go down....we will see a 3rd party emerge in 2016 and the GOP will yet again be weakened.

The beat down of Middle Americans will continue and nothing positive will change.

That is my greatest fear. Other folks think their greatest fear is President Obama. I just don't feel that way other than he can't get the GOP to be bi-partisan. This last Jobs Act does give me some hope but I think it might have been done to help keep seats in the House and try to steal the Senate instead of unseat President Obama.

I guess they figure it's a good enough tradeoff.

[cleller]

If you were a top shelf Republican, would you want to deal with the stuff coming up the next few years?

[soonercruiser]

I wouldn't say I'm getting less conservative as I get older, but am getting less happy with my party. (Republican) At 20 being Republican to me meant standing up to the commies and ayatollahs, sneering at the Ted Kennedy Great Society spoon-feeders and trying to get taxes down to something sensible.

The Republicans seem to have lost some of their focus. I'm slanting a little Libertarian, maybe.

"Party" is that not that "impotent" if you are willing to vote for the best person.
Don't give up on the Pugs! We Tea Party folks will be working hard to get the party back to conservative roots.

[jkjsooner]

If you were a top shelf Republican, would you want to deal with the stuff coming up the next few years?

I said the same thing about the Democrats in 2008. The economy was already in a tailspin and no economist was predicting that it was going to turn around anytime soon. I said at the time that nobody in their right mind would run for POTUS.

I suppose some would say that nobody in their right mind did run for POTUS.

[StoopTroup]

If you were a top shelf Republican, would you want to deal with the stuff coming up the next few years?

Hell no. That's why I don't get the bashing and negative campaigning that Romney and his ilk are doing. If they would spell out what they intend to do and actually follow through with it, i would have never felt they were as bad as the Dems and they wouldn't have to hardly worry about getting elected in this Country. They have turned into mirror images of the Dems in the 60's and now want us to believe they are for small business and middle income families.

The Dems recognize that without a strong Middle Class, America is doomed. I don't think they are prepared to completely do what it takes to restore the Middle Class in America but they don't seem completely oblivious to it needing help like Romney is.

Obama has my vote this time.

I don't trust a guy like Romney from Massachusetts who axes jobs like it's good sport.

He's the GOP's Micheal Dukakis. I await the photo of him in a helmet riding around in a tank.

[olevetonahill]

Hell no. That's why I don't get the bashing and negative campaigning that Romney and his ilk are doing. If they would spell out what they intend to do and actually follow through with it, i would have never felt they were as bad as the Dems and they wouldn't have to hardly worry about getting elected in this Country. They have turned into mirror images of the Dems in the 60's and now want us to believe they are for small business and middle income families.

The Dems recognize that without a strong Middle Class, America is doomed. I don't think they are prepared to completely do what it takes to restore the Middle Class in America but they don't seem completely oblivious to it needing help like Romney is.

Obama has my vote this time.

I don't trust a guy like Romney from Massachusetts who axes jobs like it's good sport.

He's the GOP's Micheal Dukakis. I await the photo of him in a helmet riding around in a tank.

Now theres a shocking revelation.

[StoopTroup]

...

[olevetonahill]

You know. I've heard your jabs about being some sort of dirty lib for ar

What?

[olevetonahill]

You know. I've heard your jabs about being some sort of dirty lib for around 3-4 years now but how hard is it to go and register yourself as a Republican if that's what you pride yourself of being?

Your hypocrisy amazes me. Taking a shot at a guy that has been a registered Republican all his Life and all the while you bag on the Democratic Party that you have been registered to all your life? If you think they are the ones that are going to fix this colossal mess the last POTUS (Bush) got us in, more power to you. Just act like a real supporter instead of some sand bagging hypocrite.

I've explained my position to you time and again and all you want to do is take jabs at folks who have been as nice to you as the guy writing this post know you have been to him.

I left your message board because you didn't trust me. Now your paranoia or pride (I'm not sure which it is...maybe it's really true you are the sad old Drunk you seem to be proud to be?). Whatever it is, I can see you got your feelings hurt because I left. If you didn't trust me then why the hell did you ever give me access? I know in my heart I did nothing wrong at your board. For years you claimed it was "Our Board" but that's just not true.

Now you and Tim continue to take pot shots at my character. That's even more proof to me that I and others that have left there were right in doing so. I now understand why Phil hired the work to his board out. People can become real pricks when they get a little power.

Wow where did that come from?

One thing, YOU have made NO secret about your feelings for Obama, I was merely pointin that out with a bit of humor

as for your other Rants
You left because I took you Off being a Mod because People wanted to simply put you on ignore, You got yer feelers hurt and and left , That simple. Never said you did anything wrong

Please show me where IVE taken any Pot shots at your Character here,

Sure I may have thrown a few little digs BACK at you but for the Most part Ive just skimmed yer posts

[StoopTroup]

...

[olevetonahill]

From you continuing to take jabs at me when you know it bothers me. I don't deserve that from you.

You know why I left and it comes from some folks that didn't want to see me leave. I know you read The Hill. Go ahead and act all smug but you failed as a Board Owner to let people work things out. I'm pretty sore about the decision you made there regarding me and I think you're a sorry SOB. I know you act like you care but I no longer think that way about you. It really surprises me too as I never thought I'd be saying this to you.

Sorry you feel that way
Please show me where Ive been taking Jabs at you here ?

[Turd_Ferguson]

From you continuing to take jabs at me when you know it bothers me. I don't deserve that from you.

You know why I left and it comes from some folks that didn't want to see me leave. I know you read The Hill. Go ahead and act all smug but you failed as a Board Owner to let people work things out. I'm pretty sore about the decision you made there regarding me and I think you're a sorry SOB. I know you act like you care but I no longer think that way about you. It really surprises me too as I never thought I'd be saying this to you.**** just got real...

[olevetonahill]

**** just got real...


Let it go

I still consider him a friend.

[StoopTroup]

...


**** just got real...

It's always been real.

[StoopTroup]

...

[olevetonahill]

Yeah, whatever about the Mod thing. The deal was that we both were folks that always tried to get people to get along. There was zero discussion about the changes and I never got the opportunity to know who the accusers where that couldn't live with themselves and couldn't simply avoid reading my posts. That's not the board you built or the rules you made. That should have never happened that way. Taking me out as a Mod was done as retaliation IMO and you should have at least tried to let folks work it out IMO. It's why I'll never post on your board again and I now understand how others must feel. You try to keep everyone happy and in the end, you end up with nobody happy. I got out of your way. Those that have a problem with me (Tim) shouldn't be over here taking shots at me because of how you see it. They have every opportunity to put me on ignore here. Here I can be a SoonerFan and I don't have to worry about any backstabbers. Here I'm just a longtime poster that really doesn't have any problem with anyone except you and Tim.

Ima have a Ham sammich, You want one ?

[StoopTroup]

Sorry you feel that way
Please show me where Ive been taking Jabs at you here ?

That's the approach I expect you to give maybe an Iggy or a Leroid Lizard but not someone you supposedly consider a friend.

See what I mean? Your opinion of me isn't what I thought it was and now I understand how it really is. It's OK but let's dial the Friend deal down to what it really is. We're aquaintances. That's all.

[StoopTroup]

Ima have a Ham sammich, You want one ?
Yeah whatever friend.

[olevetonahill]

That's the approach I expect you to give maybe an Iggy or a Leroid Lizard but not someone you supposedly consider a friend.

See what I mean? Your opinion of me isn't what I thought it was and now I understand how it really is. It's OK but let's dial the Friend deal down to what it really is. We're aquaintances. That's all.

OK acquaintance you want Mustard or Mayo on yer sammich?

[StoopTroup]

OK acquaintance you want Mustard or Mayo on yer sammich?
Not really. Just put me on ignore and we'll do fine. That seemed be your answer as HDAIC at your board, it ought to be good enough here.

[olevetonahill]

Not really. Just put me on ignore and we'll do fine. That seemed be your answer as HDAIC at your board, it ought to be good enough here.

Pickle or no?

[OULenexaman]

some days it just doesn't get wierd enough.....

[olevetonahill]

some days it just doesn't get wierd enough.....



You want a sammich?:unconscious:

[Turd_Ferguson]

I'd like a Reuben, but 1890's gonna have to get off his *** and get that beef corned...

[olevetonahill]

You wanta a Pickle? Chips?

[Turd_Ferguson]

You wanta a Pickle? Chips?Naw...just some kraut on top and some mustard to dip my sammich in...

[OULenexaman]

yellow mustard or some of that fancy grey poopin stuff? A good hot dill pickle will work but hold the 1000 island...

[Curly Bill]

I'd like a Reuben, but 1890's gonna have to get off his *** and get that beef corned...

No fooling! Reubens are allsome!

Have you had the one at Arbys? It's actually not bad.

[olevetonahill]

Let me see what I can "STIR" up

[Curly Bill]

Let me see what I can "STIR" up

I see what ya did there! ;)

[olevetonahill]

I see what ya did there! ;)
:congratulatory:

[LiveLaughLove]

I agree with you on everything except that I don't think there is anyone running that will put an end to your concerns and if the Tea Baggers ...

In another posting you say you try to be fair and even handed, yeah right. I know many Tea Party members as great and true friends. I'm thinking you don't personally know any, or at least very very few.

They are good , mostly God-fearing-country-loving, people that most likely have never ever even contemplated doing what you call them.

It's a gross sophomoric epithet that just makes you look like the small minded bigot that most liberals are toward anyone that dares to oppose their views.

We want what is best for the country, same as you. We just are diametrically opposite on how to accomplish that.

[C&CDean]

In another posting you say you try to be fair and even handed, yeah right. I know many Tea Party members as great and true friends. I'm thinking you don't personally know any, or at least very very few.

They are good , mostly God-fearing-country-loving, people that most likely have never ever even contemplated doing what you call them.

It's a gross sophomoric epithet that just makes you look like the small minded bigot that most liberals are toward anyone that dares to oppose their views.

We don't want what is best for the country, same as you. We just are diametrically opposite on how to accomplish that.

Nice post. Spot on.

[Frozen Sooner]

It's a gross sophomoric epithet that just makes you look like the small minded bigot that most liberals are toward anyone that dares to oppose their views.

Irony right there.

[rock on sooner]

In another posting you say you try to be fair and even handed, yeah right. I know many Tea Party members as great and true friends. I'm thinking you don't personally know any, or at least very very few.

They are good , mostly God-fearing-country-loving, people that most likely have never ever even contemplated doing what you call them.

It's a gross sophomoric epithet that just makes you look like the small minded bigot that most liberals are toward anyone that dares to oppose their views.

We want what is best for the country, same as you. We just are diametrically opposite on how to accomplish that.

Triple L, I fall into the group that really doesn't know any TEA Partiers personally, I only go
by what I hear them say publicly and read what they write/say. I'm also not a "lib" but am
left of center. Having said that, here's my beef with the T P'ers...an absolute unwillingness
to compromise at all with ANYONE who is not a T P'er. Their caucus is big enough to control
the GOP, so McConnell, Ryan, Kantor et al cater to them (and Norquist) to the detriment
of the USA. Not as slowly as some think, labor and Other Dems have had enough and are
starting to hit back.

If they toss Walker in Wisconsin (and it is a big IF), then I predict a cascading effect across
the country (Ohio already overturned some of their stuff) and the GOP will reach back to
the relevance it had in the 60's and 70's and will have a long dark walk back to the future.

Compromise is NOT a dirty word! It is the way our republic functions the best and it is why
the two party system has survived to this day, although one wonders if it is really surviving.

[LiveLaughLove]

Triple L, I fall into the group that really doesn't know any TEA Partiers personally, I only go
by what I hear them say publicly and read what they write/say. I'm also not a "lib" but am
left of center. Having said that, here's my beef with the T P'ers...an absolute unwillingness
to compromise at all with ANYONE who is not a T P'er. Their caucus is big enough to control
the GOP, so McConnell, Ryan, Kantor et al cater to them (and Norquist) to the detriment
of the USA. Not as slowly as some think, labor and Other Dems have had enough and are
starting to hit back.

If they toss Walker in Wisconsin (and it is a big IF), then I predict a cascading effect across
the country (Ohio already overturned some of their stuff) and the GOP will reach back to
the relevance it had in the 60's and 70's and will have a long dark walk back to the future.

Compromise is NOT a dirty word! It is the way our republic functions the best and it is why
the two party system has survived to this day, although one wonders if it is really surviving.

I disagree with your assessment, but that's fine. What I objected to was calling them a derogatory term that everyone knows as such.

As to compromise, I don't see any compromising on Obama's or the Dem's part, but that's because I am looking at it from my view.

Are Tea Partiers who fervently believe in certain ideals supposed to simply abandon those because, as Obama so famously declared in his compromising ways, "Hey I won"? I don't think so. Because the last election, "Hey, we won". I don't want the Tea Partiers to compromise away our rights, freedoms, and money. And it is OUR money. Obama and his ilk think that all money is the governments and they simply choose to let us keep some of it. The debate for them is how much of the governments money we get to have.

I don't see no movement from the government as necessarily a bad thing. I'm all for the government doing as little as possible. The problem today is people seem to think the government MUST be doing something. I completely oppose that thought process. It's a good day when the government doesn't do anything, if that anything is spending more, taxing more, or infringing on our freedoms more. If the government rolls back some of these things, then hey, I'm all for it.

And rock, left of center is lib to me. I just took the Political Quotient (PQ) test done by a poli sci professor at UCLA and I scored a 5.3 out of 100. For reference that is equal to Jim DeMint (knew I liked him). A 100 is equal to Nancy Pelosi. The higher the more liberal. Obama is around a 87. Ron Paul is around a 30.

[hawaii 5-0]

I disagree with your assessment, but that's fine. What I objected to was calling them a derogatory term that everyone knows as such.



Cry me a freakin' river and grow a pair would ya?


Tea Partiers have been called Tea Baggers from Day 1. Some of the protestors gladly wore tea bags on their silly hats, and other carried signs with tea bags on them.

I think the shlt stuck to the wall pretty good on this one.

Tea Party Tea Bagger Get used to it. You earned it.

5-0

[hawaii 5-0]

And rock, left of center is lib to me. I just took the Political Quotient (PQ) test done by a poli sci professor at UCLA and I scored a 5.3 out of 100. For reference that is equal to Jim DeMint (knew I liked him). A 100 is equal to Nancy Pelosi. The higher the more liberal. Obama is around a 87. Ron Paul is around a 30.


I would suggest you take your UCLA test again, this time trying to imagine you were taking the test as Jesus Christ might answer the same questions. Would Jesus have scored higher than Obama? Wasn't he The One who kicked the moneychangers out of the temple? Sounds like an Occupier to me. Didn't he take a little bread and some fish and feed multitudes? Seems a little Socialist.

What kind of score would Jesus have scored? Do you want to be more Christian? Follow His example?

5-0

[C&CDean]

I would suggest you take your UCLA test again, this time trying to imagine you were taking the test as Jesus Christ might answer the same questions. Would Jesus have scored higher than Obama? Wasn't he The One who kicked the moneychangers out of the temple? Sounds like an Occupier to me. Didn't he take a little bread and some fish and feed multitudes? Seems a little Socialist.

What kind of score would Jesus have scored? Do you want to be more Christian? Follow His example?

5-0

Wow. You managed to go full retard on this one. Grats.

[Curly Bill]

Wow. You managed to go full retard on this one. Grats.

If you haven't noticed he's been in full retard mode for a while now.

[rock on sooner]

LLL, first time I heard Tea Baggers was on this board...I guess when the Dems
offer $400 billion in cuts in exchange for closing loopholes on business jets, oil
subsidies, certain high income earners and get NO, that's refusing to compromise.
Candidates being offered 10 dollars in spending cuts for each $1 in tax increase and
get NO. Boehner backtracking from agreement with Obama because he couldn't sell
the program to the T P'ers is refusing to compromise.

If you want the gov't to do nothing, how about leaving the borders unguarded, not
responding to tornadoes & hurricanes, stop getting involved in infrastructure maintenance,
drop monitoring Medicare and Medicaid, let the big banks be unregulated (and hose us
again), forget about North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and bring our troops home with
no regard for the consequences, stop sending SS checks, close up the parks and national
forests....I could go on but I don't think it's necessary.

My biggest beef is all I hear is to cut spending...cut, cut, cut.. gov't, stay out of my life
and leave my money alone. In every civilized country and most of the uncivilized ones,
there has been a central entity to provide order and rules. It takes $$$ to do that, hence
taxing. To not have that is to have anarchy (Afghan warlords come to mind.) After I hear
so much CUT, I wait to hear the alternative plans and there are none, at least I haven't
heard any.

Now, I agree with you that the gov't overreaches more than it should, I believe that a lot
of that should change. I also believe that asking the 1% to pay taxes at the same % as
the massive middle class is a fair request. I believe that corporations should pay more
than they do...only a handful pay at the 35% rate...the vast majority pay 6% to 18% or
so. Huge imbalance. The argument about the 1% creating jobs and the trickle down
economy that Reagan espoused doesn't pass the smell test.

Gosh, sorry to hear that Demint is a hero to you, but I won't hold that against you. If
left of center is "lib" to you then I assume right of center is conservative. How far right
is ultra conservative? evangelical Christian? Right wingers? Nutcases (Rush, Sean, Ann).
I believe there is a middle ground that ranges from just left of center to just right of center.
How long will it take your man Romney to pivot back to the center? That middle ground
I mentioned is where governing takes place.

Sorry for the long post....

[okie52]

LLL, first time I heard Tea Baggers was on this board...I guess when the Dems
offer $400 billion in cuts in exchange for closing loopholes on business jets, oil
subsidies, certain high income earners and get NO, that's refusing to compromise.
Candidates being offered 10 dollars in spending cuts for each $1 in tax increase and
get NO. Boehner backtracking from agreement with Obama because he couldn't sell
the program to the T P'ers is refusing to compromise.

If you want the gov't to do nothing, how about leaving the borders unguarded, not
responding to tornadoes & hurricanes, stop getting involved in infrastructure maintenance,
drop monitoring Medicare and Medicaid, let the big banks be unregulated (and hose us
again), forget about North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and bring our troops home with
no regard for the consequences, stop sending SS checks, close up the parks and national
forests....I could go on but I don't think it's necessary.

My biggest beef is all I hear is to cut spending...cut, cut, cut.. gov't, stay out of my life
and leave my money alone. In every civilized country and most of the uncivilized ones,
there has been a central entity to provide order and rules. It takes $$$ to do that, hence
taxing. To not have that is to have anarchy (Afghan warlords come to mind.) After I hear
so much CUT, I wait to hear the alternative plans and there are none, at least I haven't
heard any.

Now, I agree with you that the gov't overreaches more than it should, I believe that a lot
of that should change. I also believe that asking the 1% to pay taxes at the same % as
the massive middle class is a fair request. I believe that corporations should pay more
than they do...only a handful pay at the 35% rate...the vast majority pay 6% to 18% or
so. Huge imbalance. The argument about the 1% creating jobs and the trickle down
economy that Reagan espoused doesn't pass the smell test.

Gosh, sorry to hear that Demint is a hero to you, but I won't hold that against you. If
left of center is "lib" to you then I assume right of center is conservative. How far right
is ultra conservative? evangelical Christian? Right wingers? Nutcases (Rush, Sean, Ann).
I believe there is a middle ground that ranges from just left of center to just right of center.
How long will it take your man Romney to pivot back to the center? That middle ground
I mentioned is where governing takes place.

Sorry for the long post....

Oil isn't getting subsidies, they get tax deductions like every other manufacturer. Green energy
gets subsidies.

[rock on sooner]

Oil isn't getting subsidies, they get tax deductions like every other manufacturer. Green energy
gets subsidies.

Wrong choice of words, sorry Okie, but the point is still valid...

[okie52]

Wrong choice of words, sorry Okie, but the point is still valid...

That's okay...many people get that wrong including the president.

[LiveLaughLove]

Of course there are things the government should do. Interestingly, the main thing it was set up to do was to provide for the common defense. Also interestingly, defense is the first cut liberals want to make.

We didn't have an income tax until that great socialist FDR (who called Joseph Stalin, Uncle Joe) packed the courts and pushed it through. Our founders rolled in their graves. We had done just fine without it up to that point.

I am not for the 1%, but to say they don't pay their fair share is ludicrous hyperbole that even Obama doesn't believe. They pay the vast majority of the taxes. Here's an idea, how about EVERYONE pay taxes. Let's see how long the poor revolt against the Dem's if they do that. So, I'm all for raising EVERYONE'S taxes across the board, but no freebies. The whole country pitches in.

The truth of the matter is Dem's buy votes by taking money away from the middle and upper and just giving it away to the poor for their votes. This gives them the power to push through their progressive agenda, since the lower and lower middle is the majority of America.

So, yeah, we should have a government that pays for infrastructure, military, and to secure our borders (not because of illegal aliens but because of defense against invaders bent on doing us ill will). They shouldn't be collecting taxes to pay for abortion, welfare, housing loans, etc etc etc. Why? Because the more power they have over us through our money, the more they can restrict our freedoms.

[LiveLaughLove]

Cry me a freakin' river and grow a pair would ya?


Tea Partiers have been called Tea Baggers from Day 1. Some of the protestors gladly wore tea bags on their silly hats, and other carried signs with tea bags on them.

I think the shlt stuck to the wall pretty good on this one.

Tea Party Tea Bagger Get used to it. You earned it.

5-0

Really? You think having tea bags represented tea bagging? Really?!!

Tea bags represented the tea thrown in to the harbor by Samuel Adams, John Hancock, et al at the Tea Party.

You can throw epithets all you want, it just shows your small mindedness. That's all I was pointing out. As for "growing a pair", I'm fine thanks.

[Mississippi Sooner]

Of course there are things the government should do. Interestingly, the main thing it was set up to do was to provide for the common defense. Also interestingly, defense is the first cut liberals want to make.

We didn't have an income tax until that great socialist FDR (who called Joseph Stalin, Uncle Joe) packed the courts and pushed it through. Our founders rolled in their graves. We had done just fine without it up to that point.

I am not for the 1%, but to say they don't pay their fair share is ludicrous hyperbole that even Obama doesn't believe. They pay the vast majority of the taxes. Here's an idea, how about EVERYONE pay taxes. Let's see how long the poor revolt against the Dem's if they do that. So, I'm all for raising EVERYONE'S taxes across the board, but no freebies. The whole country pitches in.

The truth of the matter is Dem's buy votes by taking money away from the middle and upper and just giving it away to the poor for their votes. This gives them the power to push through their progressive agenda, since the lower and lower middle is the majority of America.

So, yeah, we should have a government that pays for infrastructure, military, and to secure our borders (not because of illegal aliens but because of defense against invaders bent on doing us ill will). They shouldn't be collecting taxes to pay for abortion, welfare, housing loans, etc etc etc. Why? Because the more power they have over us through our money, the more they can restrict our freedoms.

Actually, the national income tax became a permanent fixture when the 16th Amendment was passed in 1913. The first income tax was imposed way back in 1861 to finance the Civil War.

[rock on sooner]

LLL, everyone does pay taxes...the working poor and poor pay much more of
their income for taxes..e.g. sales tax, gas tax, property tax, tobacco tax, vehicle
fees, SS and FICA. Yes, everyone pays these but the poor and working poor pay
a disproportionate amount, that's why this group gets a break on federal tax and,
in some cases, state taxes. This is the argument that critics of value added taxes
(VAT) and anti-flat taxers use.

As to the first cut this "lib" wants is to freeze government hiring and cut gov't
spending as follows: 1st year 3 1/2% across the board (except military), then
an additional 1/2% a year each year following until the cuts reach 10% a year.
That's thirteen years...can't do it all at once like Paul wants, gov't would collapse.
I have a completely different plan for the military. If you "shrink" gov't by not
hiring more people and consolidate many of the programs and do more with less
(like business learned to do in the recession...that's why new job growth is so
slow) the savings will be substantial.

[LiveLaughLove]

I would suggest you take your UCLA test again, this time trying to imagine you were taking the test as Jesus Christ might answer the same questions. Would Jesus have scored higher than Obama? Wasn't he The One who kicked the moneychangers out of the temple? Sounds like an Occupier to me. Didn't he take a little bread and some fish and feed multitudes? Seems a little Socialist.

What kind of score would Jesus have scored? Do you want to be more Christian? Follow His example?

5-0

I try to follow his example every day. I seldom succeed completely. Thank God for grace.

If a man will not work, he shall not eat - 2Thes 3:10. In fact, from verse 6 through verse 15 is an admonition to shame the idle and not let them get away with it. But get them to work for what they get.

God himself commanded that we were to work 6 days a week and rest 1. Not 5 and 2. There are over 20 passages about working and not being slothful.

He fed the multitude because they were there listening to him. So in a way they earned their food that day. He did not set up a system of feeding them day in and day out ran by some bureaucrat. A ridiculous concept.

He threw the money changers out of the TEMPLE, God's Holy Place. He did not go throughout Jerusalem throwing money changers out or picketing them. He was only concerned about those in the TEMPLE. The TEMPLE had become a den of vipers. Once more, his motive was spiritual in nature not political. Nice try though...well, not really.

Jesus picked his disciples as men all that worked and supported themselves. Paul worked at every place he went to evangelize. He was a tent maker and never took hand outs, but earned his food and lodging at each town and city.

Would Jesus have scored higher than Obama? I don't know. I doubt he would take the test at all, or even be interested in it. He probably would be more interested in the salvation of those taking the test. Just sayin'.

Of course, to listen to some of you, Obama = Jesus, only cooler.

[LiveLaughLove]

Actually, the national income tax became a permanent fixture when the 16th Amendment was passed in 1913. The first income tax was imposed way back in 1861 to finance the Civil War.

Interesting, I did not know that. Equally interesting that is almost 100 years after our founding. Wonder how we survived without it before that.

You know, Davy Crockett was incensed that the Congress wanted to give money to a General's widow. Why? Because it was not in the power of the Congress (or President) to take money from the citizenry to give to another citizen or group. THAT is the way we were founded, and THAT is the way it should be.

[rock on sooner]

Well, Crockett went to the Alamo and we know how that ended..:playful:

[LiveLaughLove]

LLL, everyone does pay taxes...the working poor and poor pay much more of
their income for taxes..e.g. sales tax, gas tax, property tax, tobacco tax, vehicle
fees, SS and FICA. Yes, everyone pays these but the poor and working poor pay
a disproportionate amount, that's why this group gets a break on federal tax and,
in some cases, state taxes. This is the argument that critics of value added taxes
(VAT) and anti-flat taxers use.

As to the first cut this "lib" wants is to freeze government hiring and cut gov't
spending as follows: 1st year 3 1/2% across the board (except military), then
an additional 1/2% a year each year following until the cuts reach 10% a year.
That's thirteen years...can't do it all at once like Paul wants, gov't would collapse.
I have a completely different plan for the military. If you "shrink" gov't by not
hiring more people and consolidate many of the programs and do more with less
(like business learned to do in the recession...that's why new job growth is so
slow) the savings will be substantial.

As I have told you before, that sounds sensible. I know the devil is always in the details, but overall sounds ok to me.

Speaking of government employees, that is an easy way to see how bloated our government is. I don't recall the exact number but huge number of employees today are federal government employees, a ridiculously high number.

I saw that at the turn of the century around 1900, people could live almost their whole lives without ever coming in to contact with or having their lives effected by government. Today, it is numerous times daily.

If you just look at the questions in that PQ test, it is frightening at how many intrusive laws were passed in '09 by Pelosi and Reid. Incidently, the questions were submitted by a left wing organization.

[LiveLaughLove]

Well, Crockett went to the Alamo and we know how that ended..:playful:

True, but he died a principled patriot.

[Mississippi Sooner]

I took that PQ test and scored a 28.2, which is close to what Ron Paul scored. I don't know whether to be proud or frightened.

[C&CDean]

Link to this test please?

[olevetonahill]

Link to this test please? What ma thinking

I took a political quiz once

It said I has a right leanin Libertarian with Anarchist tendency's

[Mississippi Sooner]

Here is da link:

http://www.timgroseclose.com/calculate-your-pq/

[rock on sooner]

What ma thinking

I took a political quiz once

It said I has a right leanin Libertarian with Anarchist tendency's

Did the gun Nazis show up to make sure your tendency's were toothless?

[olevetonahill]

Did the gun Nazis show up to make sure your tendency's were toothless?

I dont own any guns,

[KantoSooner]

Here's an idea that's been bouncing around in my skull for a while. Why don't we base our budgeting on percentages.

Y'know, like, "Okay now, We owe $X which is about X% of our GNP, so THAT'S off the table until we pay it off. Then, hmmm, defense. Well, we ought to pay, hell, I don't know, 20% of our budget for defense? Sounds good. Now, Social Spending. I don't like seeing starving people dying by the road. Bums my day. So, let's do, what? another 20% for them. Then we've got scientific research/education. Do we even do that as a federal gov? Yes? Okay, how much........." Etc.
THEN you ask, "And how much should this whole thingie run us? How much is a national government really, REALLY worth to us?"
and then eliminate ALL deductions, ALL write offs, ALL unfunded departments and programs. And I'm talking some draconian shiite here folks. I might be convinced to not tax the property churches are built on, for instance, but we'd tax churches' stock holdings and companies at the same rate they'd be taxed if Buffet owned 'em. No more differential on capital gains and regular income. No more mortgage interest 'write offs'. No more depletion allowance, no more amortization.
You'd end up with a society that paid for what it wanted and knew what it was buying. and a society in which EVERY person paid approximately the same percentage of their income to support the common endeavour.
The more I think about it the better it sounds.

[okie52]

PQ Survey Results




Here’s your PQ: 37.2

Politicians with similar PQs are:


Charlie Stenholm (D-Tex, 1979-2004) PQ=28.5
Ron Paul (R-Tex, 1976-2009) PQ=31.8
Rick Lazio (R-N.Y., 1993-2000) PQ=34.4
Tom Ridge (R-Penn., 1983-1994) PQ=37.4
Sam Nunn (D-Ga., 1973-96) PQ=39.5
Susan Collins (R-Maine, 1997-2009) PQ=44.2

[C&CDean]

16. Me and Newt, Nixon, McCain, and Kemp. OK company I guess.

[C&CDean]

I dont own any guns,

Who brings a gun to a gator fight anyhow?

[LiveLaughLove]

PQ Survey Results




Here’s your PQ: 37.2

Politicians with similar PQs are:


Charlie Stenholm (D-Tex, 1979-2004) PQ=28.5
Ron Paul (R-Tex, 1976-2009) PQ=31.8
Rick Lazio (R-N.Y., 1993-2000) PQ=34.4
Tom Ridge (R-Penn., 1983-1994) PQ=37.4
Sam Nunn (D-Ga., 1973-96) PQ=39.5
Susan Collins (R-Maine, 1997-2009) PQ=44.2

RINO. :)

[okie52]

RINO. :)

I know...its embarrassing.

[olevetonahill]

Who brings a gun to a gator fight anyhow?

Heh

[LiveLaughLove]

I know...its embarrassing.

That's ok, with a little re-education camping we can get you down into single digits.

Oh wait, that's not our side is it. Carry on! ;P

[olevetonahill]

Here’s My PQ: 10

Politicians with similar PQs are:

James DeMint (R-S.C. 1999-2009) PQ=5.1
Newt Gingrich (R-Ga., 1979-94) PQ=11.4
Richard Nixon (R-Calif., 1947-52) PQ=12.5
Lindsay Graham (R-S.C., 1995-2009) PQ=14.9
John McCain (R-Az., 1983-2006, 2009) PQ=15.8
Joe Scarborough (R-Fla., 1995-2000) PQ=16.4

[Turd_Ferguson]

Here’s your PQ: 13.5


Politicians with similar PQs are:


James DeMint (R-S.C. 1999-2009) PQ=5.1
Newt Gingrich (R-Ga., 1979-94) PQ=11.4
Richard Nixon (R-Calif., 1947-52) PQ=12.5
Lindsay Graham (R-S.C., 1995-2009) PQ=14.9
John McCain (R-Az., 1983-2006, 2009) PQ=15.8
Joe Scarborough (R-Fla., 1995-2000) PQ=16.4
Jack Kemp (R.-N.Y., 1971-86) PQ=20.4

[Turd_Ferguson]

Here’s My PQ: 10

Politicians with similar PQs are:

James DeMint (R-S.C. 1999-2009) PQ=5.1
Newt Gingrich (R-Ga., 1979-94) PQ=11.4
Richard Nixon (R-Calif., 1947-52) PQ=12.5
Lindsay Graham (R-S.C., 1995-2009) PQ=14.9
John McCain (R-Az., 1983-2006, 2009) PQ=15.8
Joe Scarborough (R-Fla., 1995-2000) PQ=16.4

DINO

[olevetonahill]

DINO
No clue what that is

[Turd_Ferguson]

No clue what that isOpposite of a RINO...pay tention.

[olevetonahill]

Opposite of a RINO...pay tention.
Dont have a clue what that is either
Prolly dont give a big **** either

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Here’s your PQ: 38.2

Politicians with similar PQs are:


Charlie Stenholm (D-Tex, 1979-2004) PQ=28.5
Ron Paul (R-Tex, 1976-2009) PQ=31.8
Rick Lazio (R-N.Y., 1993-2000) PQ=34.4
Tom Ridge (R-Penn., 1983-1994) PQ=37.4
Sam Nunn (D-Ga., 1973-96) PQ=39.5
Susan Collins (R-Maine, 1997-2009) PQ=44.2
Olympia Snowe (R-Maine, 1979-2009) PQ=47.9


Libertarian pub

[XingTheRubicon]

Here’s your PQ: 6.5

Politicians with similar PQs are:

James DeMint (R-S.C. 1999-2009) PQ=5.1
Newt Gingrich (R-Ga., 1979-94) PQ=11.4
Richard Nixon (R-Calif., 1947-52) PQ=12.5
Lindsay Graham (R-S.C., 1995-2009) PQ=14.9
John McCain (R-Az., 1983-2006, 2009) PQ=15.8
Joe Scarborough (R-Fla., 1995-2000) PQ=16.4

[LiveLaughLove]

Here’s your PQ: 6.5

Politicians with similar PQs are:

James DeMint (R-S.C. 1999-2009) PQ=5.1
Newt Gingrich (R-Ga., 1979-94) PQ=11.4
Richard Nixon (R-Calif., 1947-52) PQ=12.5
Lindsay Graham (R-S.C., 1995-2009) PQ=14.9
John McCain (R-Az., 1983-2006, 2009) PQ=15.8
Joe Scarborough (R-Fla., 1995-2000) PQ=16.4

woot!

Wouldn't it be nice if every news reporter/commentator had to have their PQ below their name while speaking like the (R) and (D) beside politicians names?

Ya know, Matt Lauer (88). Might help know what you are being fed.

[OhU1]

Too bad the PQ quiz gives away who supports an item before you register your choice.

[LiveLaughLove]

Too bad the PQ quiz gives away who supports an item before you register your choice.

I thought that too. I admit there were a couple that I did not understand really, and so clicked the Republican take on it.

Mostly though, as soon as I read some sort of government control or authority I knew I opposed it.

[rock on sooner]

I thought that too. I admit there were a couple that I did not understand really, and so clicked the Republican take on it.

Mostly though, as soon as I read some sort of government control or authority I knew I opposed it.

Therein lies the rub...if the gov't is involved or some third party has a hand in it
then it automatically is not worthy of consideration. Hell, Triple L, you're no Libertarian,
you're a T P'er. I'm being straight up with you when I say I"ll at least listen to the
argument before I reject it out of hand. Have to say, though, I truly enjoy the back and
forth of this thread.

[olevetonahill]

Therein lies the rub...if the gov't is involved or some third party has a hand in it
then it automatically is not worthy of consideration. Hell, Triple L, you're no Libertarian,
you're a T P'er. I'm being straight up with you when I say I"ll at least listen to the
argument before I reject it out of hand. Have to say, though, I truly enjoy the back and
forth of this thread.

What, you want a Ham sammich too?

[hawaii 5-0]

I try to follow his example every day. I seldom succeed completely. Thank God for grace.

If a man will not work, he shall not eat - 2Thes 3:10. In fact, from verse 6 through verse 15 is an admonition to shame the idle and not let them get away with it. But get them to work for what they get.

God himself commanded that we were to work 6 days a week and rest 1. Not 5 and 2. There are over 20 passages about working and not being slothful.

He fed the multitude because they were there listening to him. So in a way they earned their food that day. He did not set up a system of feeding them day in and day out ran by some bureaucrat. A ridiculous concept.

He threw the money changers out of the TEMPLE, God's Holy Place. He did not go throughout Jerusalem throwing money changers out or picketing them. He was only concerned about those in the TEMPLE. The TEMPLE had become a den of vipers. Once more, his motive was spiritual in nature not political. Nice try though...well, not really.

Jesus picked his disciples as men all that worked and supported themselves. Paul worked at every place he went to evangelize. He was a tent maker and never took hand outs, but earned his food and lodging at each town and city.

Would Jesus have scored higher than Obama? I don't know. I doubt he would take the test at all, or even be interested in it. He probably would be more interested in the salvation of those taking the test. Just sayin'.

Of course, to listen to some of you, Obama = Jesus, only cooler.


I meant no disrespect on this post. I was just wondrin' where Jesus woulda scored.

Jesus was Pro-Life, so any question about that woulda been on the Conservative side.

IIRC wasn't Luke a tax-collector, a revenue guy? Didn't some of his desciples have conversions?

I'll take the test and see where I'm at. I'm curious.

5-0

[hawaii 5-0]

I'm at 58.

5-0

[rock on sooner]

What, you want a Ham sammich too?

Thot you'd never ask:playful:

[olevetonahill]

Thot you'd never ask:playful:

Mayo or Mustard?

[diverdog]

Interesting, I did not know that. Equally interesting that is almost 100 years after our founding. Wonder how we survived without it before that.

You know, Davy Crockett was incensed that the Congress wanted to give money to a General's widow. Why? Because it was not in the power of the Congress (or President) to take money from the citizenry to give to another citizen or group. THAT is the way we were founded, and THAT is the way it should be.

I have been reading your post and here are a few comments.

1. The tea in Boston was bulk tea and as far as I know it was not in bags. Tea bags did not come around until the 1900's. The Boston Tea Party was the first action against the monopolistic East India company the first global corporation. The modern day tea party activist have very little in common with the Boston Tea Party activist. As far as I know Hancock and Adams did not throw tea into the harbor. They probably supported it and Adams wrote about it.

The groups that have more in common with the Boston Tea Party are the anarchist that protest global corporations like Walmart and Exxon.

The tea tax was designed to run small shipping merchants in the colonies out of business to protect the East India's monopoly on the tea shipping trade.

2. The reason the US did not have income taxes is because we derived most of our revenue from tarrifs. Here is a good article to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_in_American_history

The founding fathers were not against taxes. They just wanted someone else to pay for them.


Jefferson said in a 1785 letter to James Madison, “Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.”

Washington levied the Whiskey tax and when people rebelled he sent in the army.

From Washington's farewell address:


To facilitate to them the performance of their duty, it is essential that you should practically bear in mind that towards the payment of debts there must be revenue; that to have revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised which are not more or less inconvenient and unpleasant; that the intrinsic embarrassment, inseparable from the selection of the proper objects (which is always a choice of difficulties), ought to be a decisive motive for a candid construction of the conduct of the government in making it, and for a spirit of acquiescence in the measures for obtaining revenue, which the public exigencies may at any time dictate.


3. As far as Davy Crockett goes it is very hard to seperate truth from legend. The story about the payment to the widow is most likely true but the account was written long after his death. Crockett did vote for another tax give away.

4. Reagan raised a lot of taxes. In fact he had the largest tax increase in history. To say the Democrats are the only ones to use taxes and government give aways to buy votes is a joke. Some of the biggest porkers in this country are Republicans. Newt was off the charts for pork barrel spending.

[rock on sooner]

Mayo or Mustard?
Mustard..the spicy kind...

[olevetonahill]

Mustard..the spicy kind...
Pickle or No?

[Curly Bill]

Pickle or No?

Dumb question! You know libs like pickles! ;)

[SanJoaquinSooner]

PQ Survey Results




Here’s your PQ: 37.2

Politicians with similar PQs are:


Charlie Stenholm (D-Tex, 1979-2004) PQ=28.5
Ron Paul (R-Tex, 1976-2009) PQ=31.8
Rick Lazio (R-N.Y., 1993-2000) PQ=34.4
Tom Ridge (R-Penn., 1983-1994) PQ=37.4
Sam Nunn (D-Ga., 1973-96) PQ=39.5
Susan Collins (R-Maine, 1997-2009) PQ=44.2


Okie, Your "RINO" score couldnt be more transparent. You're pro-abortions rights all the way.

[Curly Bill]

Here’s your PQ: 6.5

Politicians with similar PQs are:

James DeMint (R-S.C. 1999-2009) PQ=5.1
Newt Gingrich (R-Ga., 1979-94) PQ=11.4
Richard Nixon (R-Calif., 1947-52) PQ=12.5
Lindsay Graham (R-S.C., 1995-2009) PQ=14.9
John McCain (R-Az., 1983-2006, 2009) PQ=15.8
Joe Scarborough (R-Fla., 1995-2000) PQ=16.4

[okie52]

Okie, Your "RINO" score couldnt be more transparent. You're pro-abortions rights all the way.

Not far off from your score....must have been the illegal immigrant part where you out libbed me.

[olevetonahill]

Okie, Your "RINO" score couldnt be more transparent. You're pro-abortions rights all the way.

jaun , you wanta Ham Sam... er Taco?

[okie52]

jaun , you wanta Ham Sam... er Taco?

Green cards.

[Curly Bill]

jaun , you wanta Ham Sam... er Taco?

tacos > ham sammich

I got a hankering for some good ol messican food right now. If jaun didn't live out there in Cali I'd drop in on em, and let em hook me up.

[olevetonahill]

tacos > ham sammich

I got a hankering for some good ol messican food right now. If jaun didn't live out there in Cali I'd drop in on em, and let em hook me up.
If I ever Drive out there Ima stop by and Let him feed me some Good beaner food
Maybe he even Let me Foook his Seester, She a virgin ya know .

[rock on sooner]

Pickle or No?

Just to mess with Curly, no pickle...slice of onion, tho...

[olevetonahill]

Just to mess with Curly, no pickle...slice of onion, tho...Ok
Chips?

[rock on sooner]

Ok
Chips?

No thanks, what'cha got cold to drink?

[olevetonahill]

No thanks, what'cha got cold to drink?

Natty!What else

[Curly Bill]

Natty!What else

I'm guessing OVJ is what else!

[rock on sooner]

Natty!What else

Silly me....burrrrp..check please..

[olevetonahill]

I'm guessing OVJ is what else!
Thats the After Dinner Drank

[Curly Bill]

Thats the After Dinner Drank

It does go well with dessert!

[olevetonahill]

It does go well with dessert!
Speakin of, You gonna try to make the Ho-Down this year?

[Curly Bill]

Speakin of, You gonna try to make the Ho-Down this year?

Has the date been settled upon?

[olevetonahill]

Has the date been settled upon?

Tentatively. 10-6
Can be changed at this point if needed .
http://www.olevetpossehideout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18440&highlight=Ho-Down

[Curly Bill]

Tentatively. 10-6
Can be changed at this point if needed .
http://www.olevetpossehideout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18440&highlight=Ho-Down

It'll depend on where I'm working, as I'm not coming back to where I'm at, and exactly what it is I'm doing.

[olevetonahill]

It'll depend on where I'm working, as I'm not coming back to where I'm at, and exactly what it is I'm doing.
Now theres a definitive answer :congratulatory:

[Curly Bill]

Now theres a definitive answer :congratulatory:

Can't give a definitive answer at this point in time!

[olevetonahill]

Can't give a definitive answer at this point in time!

I know, Just funnin

[Curly Bill]

I know, Just funnin

You know that ain't allowed! This innerwebs is serious business!


...at least we have a few posters on here that seem to think so.

[olevetonahill]

You know that ain't allowed! This innerwebs is serious business!


...at least we have a few posters on here that seem to think so.
Oh Noes I broke the rulz

[Curly Bill]

Oh Noes I broke the rulz

I'm gonna have to ask that you quit posting in this thread!

[olevetonahill]

I'm gonna have to ask that you quit posting in this thread!

2632

[LiveLaughLove]

I have been reading your post and here are a few comments.

1. The tea in Boston was bulk tea and as far as I know it was not in bags. Tea bags did not come around until the 1900's. The Boston Tea Party was the first action against the monopolistic East India company the first global corporation. The modern day tea party activist have very little in common with the Boston Tea Party activist. As far as I know Hancock and Adams did not throw tea into the harbor. They probably supported it and Adams wrote about it.

The tea bags are a symbol of the Tea Party. It's totally irrelevant if the actual tea party dumped casks, kegs, barrels, or chests. It is certain the modern Tea Party is not carrying around tea bags to represent the sexual act.

Hancock and Adams were very involved in the Tea Party. It is not known for sure that they were there, but once more, irrelevant. They were very active in it. As a side note, Hancock and Adams parted ways as best friends when Hancock demanded a personal military escort into Boston from Gen. Washington. Washington needed his men for the field, but granted the request. Adams was incensed at such a waste of federal troops for the grandiosity of one man.



The groups that have more in common with the Boston Tea Party are the anarchist that protest global corporations like Walmart and Exxon. Yeah, don't think this leap is even close to accurate but if it makes you feel better. The Tea Party had a definite objective. Anarchists by their very nature do not, beyond anarchy. Bostonians did not object to capitalist ventures. They objected to tyranny.


The tea tax was designed to run small shipping merchants in the colonies out of business to protect the East India's monopoly on the tea shipping trade. OK. The East India Company was one of Britains biggest companies. So it was sort of a bailout on the backs of the Colonies. Sounds vaguely familiar. hmm.


2. The reason the US did not have income taxes is because we derived most of our revenue from tarrifs. Here is a good article to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_in_American_history

The founding fathers were not against taxes. They just wanted someone else to pay for them. Never said they were against taxation. They were against tyranny. Over taxation is seen as a tyrannical position, along with trying to disarm the people. A citizen bearing arms is a citizen. One without arms is a subject.




Washington levied the Whiskey tax and when people rebelled he sent in the army. Ah, a consumption tax. What a great idea. I believe all taxes should be consumption taxes. Food should not be taxed. Luxuries should be. The rich would pay the most in taxes. Loopholes would be gone. The tax code would one page. You buy, you pay the tax. Done. Washington was ahead of his time. Or we have become despotic in our taxation.




3. As far as Davy Crockett goes it is very hard to seperate truth from legend. The story about the payment to the widow is most likely true but the account was written long after his death. Crockett did vote for another tax give away. OK.


4. Reagan raised a lot of taxes. In fact he had the largest tax increase in history. To say the Democrats are the only ones to use taxes and government give aways to buy votes is a joke. Some of the biggest porkers in this country are Republicans. Newt was off the charts for pork barrel spending. Reagan brought income tax rates way way down from the ridiculous heights the Dem's had it at. There are several things he did that I do not approve of. Amnesty being one, because he did that first and actually believed the Dem's would strengthen the borders. A foolish belief in a pack of liars. You will never ever hear me defend Newt or big government Republicans. Having said that, if the Dem's are going to bring pork home, Republicans should not just allow them to take it all because they don't believe in it if that's how the rules work.

It's like term limits. We are for them, but we lose good people and throw open otherwise secure seats to stand on a principle that Dem's are more than happy to exploit because they all want to have a career in Washington.

[sooneron]

I'm voting like a republican. AM I better off than I was 4 years ago? **** YEAH! Once again, I'll tow the GOP party line, If you poor saps are not better off, you're too lazy to do something about it to go out there and hustle up some biz for yourself. THAT is the GOP way. SUCK it up bitches. My world has been getting better since 2010 (to quote the partay) if you're life sucks, that's your the problem. Is BHO average or worse as a president? Yep, but my bottom line is getting better. Baseball mitt may take me back to 2008 when the economy sucked. Don't want any of that! You can raise our taxes 2% and we're still making more than when that retard (Your beloved) W was in office.

[sooneron]

Actually, I should apologize to the beloved Dubya on here as I called him a "retard". He really wasn't all that simple, he just wanted the rubes and morons of this country to buy what he was selling, Afterall, he was a blue blood Yankee that fooled a large part of the pop (or base) into thinking that not only would they want to have a beer with him, but the audacity that he'd want to have a beer with them! LOLZ. Morons. LOL! He went to Yale. You think he knows how to start a campfire or anything that folksy. LOL!!! Idiots.

[Curly Bill]

When did ST tap into soonerons account?

[sooneron]

Come to think of it, I may become a CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE. If you can't afford healthcare. **** YOu, I can! You better not die on my doorstep! If you want to die on it, ****ing get out the leaf blower and make yourself useful, for a change! FREELOADER!!! This goes for ANYONE on entitlements like medicaid or medicare or vets that need assistance. Suck it up, I am. JESUS HATES FREELOADERS.

[sooneron]

When did ST tap into soonerons account?

Not hacked, just the COLD honest truth. I AM better off than 4 years ago. You don't like it? Tough ****. Quit bitchin'.

[Curly Bill]

Not hacked, just the COLD honest truth. I AM better off than 4 years ago. You don't like it? Tough ****. Quit bitchin'.

Not bitchin, just wondering why you went full retard? Anyway, carry on.

[olevetonahill]

Not hacked, just the COLD honest truth. I AM better off than 4 years ago. You don't like it? Tough ****. Quit bitchin'.

Drank much ?

[sooneron]

Full retard? Nope, we're kicking *** and taking names in a fiduciary sense. I want things on the present course. Barry is a shill as much as the conservatives. I know the cons want you to think that he is a commie or whatever, but the job of the POTUS is not to screw up the apple cart.... It is what it is... $ talks and losers walk.

[sooneron]

You guys should be happy, I am thinking of only one thing. MY MONEY. I have given up on all grassroots ideologies that the libs cling to... I gave it up for the almighty dollar. Cash is king and Barry is printing in my world.

[Curly Bill]

Full retard? Nope, we're kicking *** and taking names in a fiduciary sense. I want things on the present course. Barry is a shill as much as the conservatives. I know the cons want you to think that he is a commie or whatever, but the job of the POTUS is not to screw up the apple cart.... It is what it is... $ talks and losers walk.

That's nice. What else ya got to entertain us?

[sooneron]

I was hanging out at Bloomberg yesterday, what the **** were you up to? I care about myself and my family alone. I will vote that way. It's the true conservative way. Ask Sic'em. Like I said, $ talks, losers walk.

[LiveLaughLove]

I was hanging out at Bloomberg yesterday, what the **** were you up to? I care about myself and my family alone. I will vote that way. It's the true conservative way. Ask Sic'em. Like I said, $ talks, losers walk.

If you drink any more of that kool-aid you'll drown.

Christians give as much or more to charities for the poor than any other demographic. Just because we don't wish to give it to the government to redistribute doesn't mean we don't help the poor.

Government does not equal compassion. It equals inefficiency and control. It's no coincidence that all of the things that charities used to do, the government now tries to do. They weren't going to let those dollars go to a charity when it could be used for their vote peddling.

Am I better off than 4 years ago? Sure. And I was the 4 before that, and the 4 before that and so on. I work very hard to be better. I could be a ton better without an intrusive government standing in the way with it's nanny state regulations. I make no apologies for wanting less government. I want FAR LESS.

Obama want's far more. There in lies the rub. You want more? fine. Learn how to do satire better, you're a big fail in that regard.

[Chuck Bao]

I seem to be drifting more liberal. The Republicans' shift in focus away from fiscal policy and more towards social policy scares me. In my humble opinion, it means that they don't have an answer on economic policy and are trying to distract voters away from that.

I'll vote for any politician or political party that addresses the root economic problems facing our country. By that, I do not mean policies that line the pocket of big corporate executives or Wall Street brokers. I would like to see meaning changes in our system that is currently stacked against main street and wage earners.

[diverdog]

The tea bags are a symbol of the Tea Party. It's totally irrelevant if the actual tea party dumped casks, kegs, barrels, or chests. It is certain the modern Tea Party is not carrying around tea bags to represent the sexual act.

I understand the moniker "tea baggers" is offensive and that was not really my point. I wasn't sure if you knew from a historical standpoint that no tea bags were involved in the actual tea party action. Don't read more into it other than it was a historical comment.

Hancock and Adams were very involved in the Tea Party. It is not known for sure that they were there, but once more, irrelevant. They were very active in it. As a side note, Hancock and Adams parted ways as best friends when Hancock demanded a personal military escort into Boston from Gen. Washington. Washington needed his men for the field, but granted the request. Adams was incensed at such a waste of federal troops for the grandiosity of one man.

Interesting info. Thanks.


Yeah, don't think this leap is even close to accurate but if it makes you feel better. The Tea Party had a definite objective. Anarchists by their very nature do not, beyond anarchy. Bostonians did not object to capitalist ventures. They objected to tyranny.

OK. The East India Company was one of Britains biggest companies. So it was sort of a bailout on the backs of the Colonies. Sounds vaguely familiar. hmm.

Maybe the anarcharist were the wrong example but I would say that they still have more in common with the Sons of Liberty than the current Tea Party activist. The main reason is the Rick Santelli/Freedom Works Tea Party movement was heavily funded by a owners of multi national corporations. I would agree that there are some offshoots of the current Tea Party that are not in the hands of corporatist. I also stated in to many of the former OUI posters that the Tea Party has no legs and I am being proven right. If Obamacare gets thrown out in the SCOTUS I think the Tea Party is toast. The other big issue is that they have bit a lot of hands that feed them like the Chamber of Commerce.

Never said they were against taxation. They were against tyranny. Over taxation is seen as a tyrannical position, along with trying to disarm the people. A citizen bearing arms is a citizen. One without arms is a subject.

Not only were they for taxation but if you read my quotes they were for progressive taxation. And to say that they current tax structure is tyrannical is a reach. The US has one of the lowest effective tax rates in the world. Most citizens pay a combined tax rate well below 20%. I will also bet that at least half of the Tea Party activist pay little or no taxes if it is a representative sampling of the US population. Do we spend to much yes. Are we taxed enough....no. There is room to move on both.





Ah, a consumption tax. What a great idea. I believe all taxes should be consumption taxes. Food should not be taxed. Luxuries should be. The rich would pay the most in taxes. Loopholes would be gone. The tax code would one page. You buy, you pay the tax. Done. Washington was ahead of his time. Or we have become despotic in our taxation.

I am neither for or against a consumption tax. The biggest issue is collecting it. I think a VAT tax maybe a better way to go.



OK.

Reagan brought income tax rates way way down from the ridiculous heights the Dem's had it at. There are several things he did that I do not approve of. Amnesty being one, because he did that first and actually believed the Dem's would strengthen the borders. A foolish belief in a pack of liars. You will never ever hear me defend Newt or big government Republicans. Having said that, if the Dem's are going to bring pork home, Republicans should not just allow them to take it all because they don't believe in it if that's how the rules work.

Reagan also raised the payroll taxes and that far exceeded any marginal rates that he reduced. He almost double the amount of income that could subject to the payroll tax as well as almost doubling the payroll tax rate. He also raised gas taxes "called it a user tax" and closed a lot of loopholes. In the end most Americans were paying more in taxes than when Reagan got into office.

Reagan also believed in tax fairness. If you paid at the 28% rate on income you paid that on capital gains as well. His tax policies were more in line with the Buffet rule.

The largest porker used to be Ted Stevens of Alaska. Now it is Thad Cochran of Mississippi. Most red states receive far more subsidies from the government than they pay in taxes.


It's like term limits. We are for them, but we lose good people and throw open otherwise secure seats to stand on a principle that Dem's are more than happy to exploit because they all want to have a career in Washington.

The biggest issue I have heard against term limits is it creates a special class of political operatives who just go from one candidate to another and never leave Washington and they will be the ones who will formulate our laws. No one can hold them accountable. It happens now but I think with term limits it could be worse. If we can figure out a way to fix the issue of permanent political staff that would be a good start.



All to often I think people attribute far to much to the "Founding Fathers" and most get it wrong. Jefferson believed the Constitution should be revisited every generation. I doubt many thought it would last as a guiding document 200 plus years later. The Constitution was also a work of compromise that was mostly designed to protect rich land owners from losing property and in the south from losing their slaves. Its guiding principal that "All Men are Created Equal" never happened in their life time. Slaves were still owned, there was a national effort of genocide against the Native American population and women were not allowed to vote.

Still it is the best document that exists today but I am do not believe in strict constitutionalism because so much has changed since it was written. One has to wonder if they were alive today would they keep some of the provisions in that they wrote into the constitution. I think term limits would come up and I think the 2nd Amendment would be revisited.

[diverdog]

I seem to be drifting more liberal. The Republicans' shift in focus away from fiscal policy and more towards social policy scares me. In my humble opinion, it means that they don't have an answer on economic policy and are trying to distract voters away from that.

I'll vote for any politician or political party that addresses the root economic problems facing our country. By that, I do not mean policies that line the pocket of big corporate executives or Wall Street brokers. I would like to see meaning changes in our system that is currently stacked against main street and wage earners.

Bao I agree.

We have had almost 13 years of no job growth. The number of people employed is the same as it was in 2000. The stock market has also been flat for the same amount of time. I think the issue that everyone overlooks and David Stockman (former Reagan advisor) has been singing the tune that Wall Street has far to much cheap money to gamble with and they are hurting everyone else in this country. Maybe the only way to stop it is to put the Glass Steagall Act back into place, tax stock trades, force people to own stock before they short it, make people own commodities before they bet on them and throw more people into jail from the last debacle.

We need to focus on the middle class and people need to wake up that they are voting against their own interest in most cases. The people in this country who get really screwed in this country are not the rich but the wage earners who get a W2's and most small business owners.

[okie52]

Voting against your own self interest....kind of like most Okies that voted for Obama.

[LiveLaughLove]

diverdog, do you really think Rick Santelli said what he said on air that started the Tea Party because the Koch Brothers paid him to? That's a boogie man too far.

The original Tea Party was funded by Adams, Hancock, and others. Hancock was THE richest man in Boston, and one of the richest in the Colonies. Together, they were the Koch Brothers of 1773.

I agree there is room to move both ways on taxation. The problem is, we always seem to be able to raise the taxes, and never quite get to those serious spending cuts. We do the Congress Math, where they project an increase of 14%, and then cut to 12% increase instead, and call that 12% INCREASE a 2% cut. That's not real world.

Some current Tea Party activists may not pay taxes. So what? It's not about the taxes themselves. It's about the growth of government, and therefor the inherent growth of government intrusion (tyranny).

Reduce the size of government and feel free to raise my taxes. Raise my taxes to grow government and go to Hades. We do a lot of the latter, none of the former.

[diverdog]

diverdog, do you really think Rick Santelli said what he said on air that started the Tea Party because the Koch Brothers paid him to? That's a boogie man too far.

The original Tea Party was funded by Adams, Hancock, and others. Hancock was THE richest man in Boston, and one of the richest in the Colonies. Together, they were the Koch Brothers of 1773.

I agree there is room to move both ways on taxation. The problem is, we always seem to be able to raise the taxes, and never quite get to those serious spending cuts. We do the Congress Math, where they project an increase of 14%, and then cut to 12% increase instead, and call that 12% INCREASE a 2% cut. That's not real world.

Some current Tea Party activists may not pay taxes. So what? It's not about the taxes themselves. It's about the growth of government, and therefor the inherent growth of government intrusion (tyranny).

Reduce the size of government and feel free to raise my taxes. Raise my taxes to grow government and go to Hades. We do a lot of the latter, none of the former.

No I do not think Koch paid Santelli a dime to say those words but I also do not think Santelli was being spontaneous. And for the record I think the guy is a complete ******* because he and his network were the cheerleaders of the mortgage bubble.

Here is a great a video from Jon Stewart:

scroll to the bottom:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/05/jon-stewart-eviscerates-c_n_172057.html

I agree with the your thoughts on the budget process.

[cleller]

I seem to be drifting more liberal. The Republicans' shift in focus away from fiscal policy and more towards social policy scares me. In my humble opinion, it means that they don't have an answer on economic policy and are trying to distract voters away from that.

I'll vote for any politician or political party that addresses the root economic problems facing our country. By that, I do not mean policies that line the pocket of big corporate executives or Wall Street brokers. I would like to see meaning changes in our system that is currently stacked against main street and wage earners.

Instead of liberal, I drift Libertarian now.
Though it will never happen, I'd like get the government out of the business of feeding, clothing, and housing the population. The problem is, since the government starting subsidizing the cost of raising illegitimate kids, the supply of poorly raised, undisciplined kids has crippled our school system.
So now you got the dumb kids dumbing down lots of other kids, which results in a bunch of adults that are not smart enough to plan for their own futures. Great system. Thanks Lyndon.

[diverdog]

If you drink any more of that kool-aid you'll drown.

Christians give as much or more to charities for the poor than any other demographic. Just because we don't wish to give it to the government to redistribute doesn't mean we don't help the poor.

Government does not equal compassion. It equals inefficiency and control. It's no coincidence that all of the things that charities used to do, the government now tries to do. They weren't going to let those dollars go to a charity when it could be used for their vote peddling.

Am I better off than 4 years ago? Sure. And I was the 4 before that, and the 4 before that and so on. I work very hard to be better. I could be a ton better without an intrusive government standing in the way with it's nanny state regulations. I make no apologies for wanting less government. I want FAR LESS.

Obama want's far more. There in lies the rub. You want more? fine. Learn how to do satire better, you're a big fail in that regard.

Can you give specifics of where the government is standing in your way?

[LiveLaughLove]

Can you give specifics of where the government is standing in your way?

Try starting a food company out of your house to make chocolates or toffees to sell online.

The amount of governmental crap is mind boggling. Yeah, I know health standards yadda yadda. It's beyond that. It's absurd.

I gravitated away from owning or running brick and mortar businesses and went strictly online because of state and federal intrusions. I only work on creating e-products instead of actual products because of the red tape involved. It limits some of what I would prefer to do.

Sonny Bono switched parties because of Democrat governmental red tape in trying to start a restaurant.

[diverdog]

Try starting a food company out of your house to make chocolates or toffees to sell online.

The amount of governmental crap is mind boggling. Yeah, I know health standards yadda yadda. It's beyond that. It's absurd.

I gravitated away from owning or running brick and mortar businesses and went strictly online because of state and federal intrusions. I only work on creating e-products instead of actual products because of the red tape involved. It limits some of what I would prefer to do.

Sonny Bono switched parties because of Democrat governmental red tape in trying to start a restaurant.

Well that certainly explains a lot. You have my sympathies. I have owned a few businesses and one was a catering business. Lots of red tape. Seems like every time I turned around I was stroking a check for a $1000 for some sort of regulation.

Funny you mentioned chocolates. I was at an ice cream store tonight and the owner has started a chocolate business. We chatted for a while and I told him I will try to buy from him during the holidays.

Did you go to school to learn how to make chocolate?

Have you ever seen the British sitcom Chef? Here is clip I think you will like:

cfOCak7wh1U

I use to have a great connection in the cheese world. A guy I knew did "cheese running" and I got some of the best cheeses money could buy. Lots of them from small artisans in Europe. Sadly he moved to Florida.

and:

JnLI51JQLZQ

I still have my wood chopping block. LOL

[hawaii 5-0]

I'm better off now than I was in 2008. It sure could have been better without the economic downturn. I'm sure the Wall Street bankers are enjoying themselves much better than me. The Bastages took about a third of my retirement.

At least I'm not sitting around typing about how sorry things are like a lot of Board Whiners and Baggers.

Given the choices I've done OK.

5-0

[LiveLaughLove]

Well that certainly explains a lot. You have my sympathies. I have owned a few businesses and one was a catering business. Lots of red tape. Seems like every time I turned around I was stroking a check for a $1000 for some sort of regulation.

Funny you mentioned chocolates. I was at an ice cream store tonight and the owner has started a chocolate business. We chatted for a while and I told him I will try to buy from him during the holidays.

Did you go to school to learn how to make chocolate?

Have you ever seen the British sitcom Chef? Here is clip I think you will like:

cfOCak7wh1U

I use to have a great connection in the cheese world. A guy I knew did "cheese running" and I got some of the best cheeses money could buy. Lots of them from small artisans in Europe. Sadly he moved to Florida.

and:

JnLI51JQLZQ

I still have my wood chopping block. LOL

Fortunately, I don't know the first thing about making chocolate or any other food actually. I am a terrible chef.

What I know, to a decent extent, is how to MARKET chocolate, food, or just about anything else that needs marketing (which is everything) online.

So it was easy enough to switch to other things. Services are very limited online, but products tend to be worldwide (just need good VA help for the translations).