Tulsa Shootings

[soonerhubs]

In this era of facebook and twitter, it's scary what you can find inside the mind of murder suspects.

Below are links to their profiles. Lots of disturbing status updates, particularly with the latter person.

https://www.facebook.com/alvin.watts2?sk=info


https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003336116727&sk=wall

It's sound like Mr. England has had it rough for quite some time, but holy crap! What motivates such vile actions?

PS: I went ahead and put this in the political forum in case someone decides to put that silly spin on it.

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

Today is two years that my dad has been gone shot by a ****ing ****** it's hard not to go off between that and sheran I'm gone in the head.
RIP

Not hard to see where these charges will be going...

[soonerhubs]

Not hard to see where these charges will be going...

Agreed. Very disturbing.

[soonerhubs]

http://www.fox23.com/mostpopular/story/TPD-makes-two-arrests-in-North-Tulsa-shootings/-MEmzmQDS0-nEAB1MYymYQ.cspx

[Turd_Ferguson]

Not hard to see where these charges will be going...Capitol murder?

[olevetonahill]

Capitol murder?
If they are convicted they should join DR

[Turd_Ferguson]

If they are convicted they should join DRIf they are convicted, they should be walked out behind the court house, put on their knees and popped in the back of the head...then bill their families for the bullet...

[olevetonahill]

If they are convicted, they should be walked out behind the court house, put on their knees and popped in the back of the head...then bill their families for the bullet...
This is true , But the Libs would Cry

[oumartin]

But the guy that killed the boys dad only got six years.

So six years for each murder should make the black leaders in tulsa happy.

Oh, and England doesn't look like a white guy to me. Suprised the media outlets haven't lightened his skin tone for the sake of journalistic integrity.

[Turd_Ferguson]

But the guy that killed the boys dad only got six years.

So six years for each murder should make the black leaders in tulsa happy.

Oh, and England doesn't look like a white guy to me. Suprised the media outlets haven't lightened his skin tone for the sake of journalistic integrity.I read that the NAACP head honcho said that the black community would not stand for black people being shot in their neighborhoods.

[oumartin]

I read that the NAACP head honcho said that the black community would not stand for black people being shot in their neighborhoods.

"their people" "their neighborhood"

Well if there are more killings the other way I 'm sure they will be justified by black leaders and the media

[SouthCarolinaSooner]

Capitol murder?
With a little hate crime tacked on. I'm in the South Park camp when it comes to Hate Crimes, though.

Lock 'em up for the rest of their lives, no sense wasting any more $ and time on the death penalty.

[yermom]

But the guy that killed the boys dad only got six years.

So six years for each murder should make the black leaders in tulsa happy.

Oh, and England doesn't look like a white guy to me. Suprised the media outlets haven't lightened his skin tone for the sake of journalistic integrity.

if by 6 years, you mean basically gets to finish the 6 year sentence from the suspended sentence from 2008, yeah

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=210836&offender_book_id=403532&imageindex=4

[Midtowner]

I'm sure the Tulsa D.A. has a great explanation as to why a murderer who already had several significant priors was allowed to plead out to pointing a weapon and a six-year suspended sentence?

[oumartin]

so how would this have played out had Jefferson served all his sentence

[Midtowner]

so how would this have played out had Jefferson served all his sentence

My magic 8 ball says concentrate and ask again.

[Turd_Ferguson]

My magic 8 ball says concentrate and ask again.I knew there was some place you were getting all your ignorant *** answers...

[cleller]

People pick on other people to victimize based on skin color all the time. Some people verbalize it, like these two. Most do not verbalize it, but it is out there for anyone to see.

[OULenexaman]

I knew there was some place you were getting all your ignorant *** answers... along with that Ouiji board.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Sad that the guy's Dad's killer only got 6 years. Why? Max penalty for this guy should be 6 years. I bet they will be hard pressed to go Hate crime with this. Did the Dad's killer get a hate crime?

[yermom]

from what it looks like in the court records, that guy wasn't convicted for killing his dad, just had to finish his suspended sentence of 6 years that started on the gun conviction with a few more months added on

i don't see what that matters on the kid's sentence though. it's not like he was shooting the people that shot his dad. revenge on people the same race as your dad's killer isn't exactly a valid defense

[Whet]

his baby momma girlfriend killed herself in January, too

[C&CDean]

Meh comes to mind here.

[yermom]

maybe now he goes to prison and starts blowing up DAs and stuff like Leonidas did

[OULenexaman]

some good herd thinning....

[OU_Sooners75]

With a little hate crime tacked on. I'm in the South Park camp when it comes to Hate Crimes, though.

Lock 'em up for the rest of their lives, no sense wasting any more $ and time on the death penalty.

But we should spend even more money keeping them locked up for the rest of their lives?

Death Penalty is a lot cheaper than keep them alive for 40+ years!

[olevetonahill]

But we should spend even more money keeping them locked up for the rest of their lives?

Death Penalty is a lot cheaper than keep them alive for 40+ years!


Not Really Bro
Hell Lawyers get rich appealin DP cases .at the Tax payers expense

[Midtowner]

Not Really Bro
Hell Lawyers get rich appealin DP cases .at the Tax payers expense

True that.

There's not much the DP has going for it, 'cept as I heard one Criminal Court of Appeals Judge put it--the recidivism rate is 0% once the DP is imposed.

[OU_Sooners75]

As far as appeals go, in my opinion:

1. The appeals process should have time limitations on it. The appeals should be done within 1-2 years.
2. If the condemned man/woman is not a wealthy individual, then the attorneys get zero tax payer money. They are to do it pro bono.

[KantoSooner]

DP is waaaay more expensive than life.

That and the fact that our DA's tend to send the wrong guy to death row a distressing percentage of the time is pretty much sufficient to make me want to get rid of the DP. Mind you, if a cop happens to shoot a perp during commission of a crime, I'm not going to get too torqued.

[StoopTroup]

I like to remind folks that think the DP is cheaper that the appeals process will never go away unless they want to put their own freedom at risk someday. Accidents do happen and sometimes people get charged for premeditated murder when they are not guilty. We all know these murders are an accident but the families of the 3 victims will spend many more days of their lives trying to make sure the DP gets imposed upon these guys. They won't see justice until they drag themselves through multiple appeals and a hell of a lot of pain for a whole lot of people that will be required to be a part of it all.

Putting these guys away for the rest of their lives with no parole will be much cheaper and a heck of a lot less damaging on everyone who"s emotions run with revenge.

The first murder has led to these and now you want to impose a DP that will probably lead to even more?

Getting these proceedings over and these guys in jail for the rest of their lives will allow healing in the Tulsa Community to begin as soon as possible.

Many Preachers and Churches discussed these events over Easter and all agreed that they hoped reprocussions would not take place and that they knew everyone was upset but that more bloodshed is not the answer. IMO that would include invoking the DP.

These guys should never walk the streets of America again.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Just read that the Rev. Al Sharpton is heading to Tulsa...

[C&CDean]

Just read that the Rev. Al Sharpton is heading to Tulsa...

If Al and Oprah ****ed, I bet their baby would be white.

[okie52]

Just read that the Rev. Al Sharpton is heading to Tulsa...

Will he stop by Cushing and tell us how he helped the pipeline?

[soonercruiser]

People pick on other people to victimize based on skin color all the time. Some people verbalize it, like these two. Most do not verbalize it, but it is out there for anyone to see.

Please allow me to correct this statement...
Few white people victimize Blacks based on their race.
Only Blacks apparently do that.....the facts don't lie.....90% of crimes on Black victims, are committed by other Blacks.

But, the media and Jesse J, and Al No-So-Sharpton don't make a living on that news.

[KantoSooner]

IF the perps were acting on racial motivation, well, there are going to be morons around until the end of time.
The important thing is that the police agencies (staffed with white, black, yellow, red and brown officers) and the city authorities (same) acted quickly, professionally and decisively to apprehend and stop the perps.
That's the difference between now and the bad old days; and it's a point of which Tulsans and Oklahomans in general can take pride.

[jkjsooner]

Please allow me to correct this statement...
Few white people victimize Blacks based on their race.
Only Blacks apparently do that.....the facts don't lie.....90% of crimes on Black victims, are committed by other Blacks.

But, the media and Jesse J, and Al No-So-Sharpton don't make a living on that news.

Are you trying to say that blacks kill other blacks because of some racial motivation?

I'm pretty sure most racially motivated killings occur across racial boundaries not within one race.

[Midtowner]

As far as appeals go, in my opinion:

1. The appeals process should have time limitations on it. The appeals should be done within 1-2 years.

Not possible. While the attorneys are required to do their jobs within a limited period of time, it often takes an inordinate amount of time for the appellate courts to send out their opinions. Also, my father once got a guy off of death row with an appeal alleging massive prosecutorial misconduct, which the appellate court agreed with. After the Defendant had been in prison for 3 years subsequent to his conviction, it went back to trial and the jury came back with a not guilty verdict. Under your rules, he'd have just been given the needle.


2. If the condemned man/woman is not a wealthy individual, then the attorneys get zero tax payer money. They are to do it pro bono.

Great. Then the state's attorneys should work pro bono too. Fair is fair. Besides that, what you're arguing is totally unconstitutional. You have a right to an attorney any time your'e facing any kind of jail time be it for murder or not paying your child support.

[jkjsooner]

IF the perps were acting on racial motivation, well, there are going to be morons around until the end of time.

The one guy sounds like he's gone through a lot and definitely has a reason to be angry. I wish someone close to him would have sat him down and explained how irrational it is to blame all blacks for what happened. Maybe someone did try...

Now he's just another murderer of innocent people. My guess is that, unless he's a sociopath he's going to wake up one day with real remorse.

[KantoSooner]

You're probably right, and he is young. But, to my mind, when you put a gun in your hand, a whole lot of your precious excuses just went away.
He went out and shot people he didn't even know, who had nothing to do with his father, or his girlfriend. Because he was angry.
And because he was, and is, a moron.
And the state can't do anything about people deciding to be morons before they act out, mostly. After the fact, however, we can, and should lock them up and weld the bars closed.

[olevetonahill]

These shootings happened lateat Night Early Morning .

Dont take a Rocket Surgeon to figure out that they Got Drunk, and Decided to take revenge

[jkjsooner]

You're probably right, and he is young. But, to my mind, when you put a gun in your hand, a whole lot of your precious excuses just went away.
He went out and shot people he didn't even know, who had nothing to do with his father, or his girlfriend. Because he was angry.
And because he was, and is, a moron.
And the state can't do anything about people deciding to be morons before they act out, mostly. After the fact, however, we can, and should lock them up and weld the bars closed.

Agreed.

[OU68]

Tulsa World reporting that Jesse & Al are coming to town - I know that is going to end well...

[OU68]

Yep, now Jesse is calling for a Federal investigation - there will probably be fires & riots by the time he leaves town...:bull_head:

[KantoSooner]

Jesse and Al should consider that, sometimes, focusing on the 'half full' part of the glass can actually produce a positive environment. I'll say it again: Tulsa responded pretty damn admirably to a terrible situation. All of Tulsa. Blacks, whites and everybody else. Things aren't perfect by a long shot, but 'pretty good' deserves some consideration.

And now we have the champions of Tawana Brawly coming to town.....

[Curly Bill]

Jesse and Al should consider that, sometimes, focusing on the 'half full' part of the glass can actually produce a positive environment. I'll say it again: Tulsa responded pretty damn admirably to a terrible situation. All of Tulsa. Blacks, whites and everybody else. Things aren't perfect by a long shot, but 'pretty good' deserves some consideration.

And now we have the champions of Tawana Brawly coming to town.....

Those two clowns have to stay in the spotlight somehow.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Can someone explain what the difference between shooting a guy because he is black or shooting a random stranger because the archangel Gabriel told him to? Personally, they should neither ever see the light of free day ever again. Shooting someone over race is the same as shooting someone because of voices in your head....they are both messed up in the head. I think the death penalty should be reserved for child molesters. Instead of death penalty for crazy murderers, why not load them up in a jet, drop them in the tribal regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan, and then drop a few guns, that is what I call a win/win situation!