ROMNEY TO BUILD THE GREATEST AMERICA EVER KNOWN ! ! !

[StoopTroup]

Romney says we are gonna build the greatest America ever known....

Do any of you really believe that can be done with him as POTUS?

Honestly....if he can actually beat Obama. repeal Obamacare and figure a better way to help Americans without turning them into slaves for massive Corporations....I will vote for him in his 2nd term.

[Turd_Ferguson]

I voted Hell yeah just to skew the vote...

[StoopTroup]

Parallel lines aren't skewed. Take a math class.

[soonercruiser]

Parallel lines aren't skewed. Take a math class.

Ahhhhhh.......I think that would be geometry Stoop!

I'll take the curved path away from socialism, thank you!

Bad poll question BTW ! Even the Huff&Puff Post could do better.
Who, would believe any politician?

[StoopTroup]

OK...so maybe he needs a Geometry class too....but I think it's probably smart to start at math. Then maybe some algebra....work him up to all of it slowly.

Also...I came up with the idea while watching Romney's winning Speech tonight.

That's what he said he is going to do.

I mean...let's look back at America's History and maybe the even the years of 2000-2008. You mean he's gonna whoop Dubya's a$$ as a POTUS? He's gonna make Dubya's time as POTUS a MEH moment in US History?

Then let's go back to Reagan and GH Bush's time. Mitt is gonna out play REAGANOMICS?

He's gonna top "A 1000 POINTS OF LIGHT"?

I think it's a great poll. Honestly....if he's elected....I welcome it. I welcome it all. My Employer will pay me so well and my Health Insurance will be totally covered. My Property Values will go up 10% every year. Gas will be 79 cents a gallon. You'll be able to fly from NYC to LA for $99.00.

BRING IT ON MITT ! ! !

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Seriously? What Pres candidate hasn't promised the Greatest America Evar if you vote for me? What should he say, vote for me and America will really suck?

Can we get another Trayvon Martin thread?

[OULenexaman]

Seriously? What Pres candidate hasn't promised the Greatest America Evar if you vote for me? What should he say, vote for me and America will really suck?

Can we get another ******* ****** thread? How cool would it be if we had a TM filter.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

How cool would it be if we had a TM filter.

I would say you'd have Al Sharpton picketing the board, but there's no tv cameras here.

I don't care if I never hear about that gutter punk or the racist Mexican again.

[Sooner98]

and figure a better way to help Americans without turning them into slaves for massive Corporations...

I know this is a popular liberal platitude, but what does it mean, exactly? I buy lots of products and services produced by corporations that I use all the time in my day-to-day life (and I'm positive that you and everyone else here does, too), and I don't in any way feel "enslaved" to them. So, because I purchased and use an IPhone every day, that I am somehow enslaved to Apple Corporation? I would say that my life has been greatly enhanced by corporations and their products. If I don't like a certain corporation, I simply don't purchase their product or service.

[Skysooner]

I know this is a popular liberal platitude, but what does it mean, exactly? I buy lots of products and services produced by corporations that I use all the time in my day-to-day life (and I'm positive that you and everyone else here does, too), and I don't in any way feel "enslaved" to them. So, because I purchased and use an IPhone every day, that I am somehow enslaved to Apple Corporation? I would say that my life has been greatly enhanced by corporations and their products. If I don't like a certain corporation, I simply don't purchase their product or service.

This isn't necessarily a liberal platitude. Just that the interests of gigantic corporations aren't always the interests of the US. Look at all of the jobs shipped overseas. There is a reason for this yes. Lower wages mean lower costs and generally more profit. What I would say is that I don't want to see US policy being dictated by the needs of the larger corporations or those with the most money. Let's provide growth engines to small business, higher education (when warranted) and not totally destroy the environment at the same time. There are plenty of ways to do this without being extremist in any direction.

[okie52]

This isn't necessarily a liberal platitude. Just that the interests of gigantic corporations aren't always the interests of the US. Look at all of the jobs shipped overseas. There is a reason for this yes. Lower wages mean lower costs and generally more profit. What I would say is that I don't want to see US policy being dictated by the needs of the larger corporations or those with the most money. Let's provide growth engines to small business, higher education (when warranted) and not totally destroy the environment at the same time. There are plenty of ways to do this without being extremist in any direction.

Heheh, yep, there are a lot of jobs needlessly shipped overseas due to Obama banning ALL offshore drilling in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Haven't found any other country with oil and gas reserves denying itself access to them.

[Curly Bill]

Heheh, yep, there are a lot of jobs needlessly shipped overseas due to Obama banning ALL offshore drilling in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Haven't found any other country with oil and gas reserves denying itself access to them.

I'm sure we've more than covered those losses with "green jobs."

[okie52]

I'm sure we've more than covered those losses with "green jobs."

Hehheh....yeah, or at least the "promise" of millions of green jobs.

[MamaMia]

Am I the only one who reads the 1st and last chapters of StoopTroups posts? He he he

[Curly Bill]

Am I the only one who reads the 1st and last chapters of StoopTroups posts? He he he

I'm to the point where I quickly scan his posts to see if he's having a day where he makes little sense, or one where he makes no sense.

[MamaMia]

I'm to the point where I quickly scan his posts to see if he's having a day where he makes little sense, or one where he makes no sense.I admit that its me. I just don't have that long of an attention span.

[Skysooner]

Heheh, yep, there are a lot of jobs needlessly shipped overseas due to Obama banning ALL offshore drilling in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Haven't found any other country with oil and gas reserves denying itself access to them.

Just a follow-up to threads from long ago. I just sat through a week of long analysis of infrastructure, pricing, oil output, gas output, etc. It is our company's review of fundamentals forecasting of products, refining capacity, etc. It is going to be virtually impossible to become energy independent strictly from a crude oil perspective without some shifting of transportation infrastructure to natural gas. Building some new refineries would help particularly on the West Coast. We did some probabilistic assessments of the Atlantic and Pacific offshore. They would help but due to what could be a price collapse in the US, it is unlikely that some of the plays would be economic. There are already issues with the current split between WTI and Brent. Look at the LLS price versus WTI, and you can see pricing issues already which we expect to continue for a number of years.

[StoopTroup]

I know this is a popular liberal platitude, but what does it mean, exactly? I buy lots of products and services produced by corporations that I use all the time in my day-to-day life (and I'm positive that you and everyone else here does, too), and I don't in any way feel "enslaved" to them. So, because I purchased and use an IPhone every day, that I am somehow enslaved to Apple Corporation? I would say that my life has been greatly enhanced by corporations and their products. If I don't like a certain corporation, I simply don't purchase their product or service.

I know bringing up things that Corporations do and why they were created will just open up so many little buts or what ifs just like your question does for me. My Father Incorporated his Business. It was the right thing to do. The thing is...it was to protect the Business and to protect him. It did positive things for the Owners and Positive things for the Business and the folks that worked there.

Originally...why was it a good idea to incorporate? That's a question each of us should know right? Thing is I really don't think most folks understand what Corporations today do.

I no longer feel Corporations protect the interests of the Owners. It protects the people running the Company. It kind of goes against what Incorporating originally was designed to do. Why should Employees make so damn much money for working at a Corporation that they themselves can amass personal wealth so vast that they become the Icon instead of the Corporation? I think it's gotten way out of hand. As an investor or major share holder I want to see dividends and see stock splits. When that happened in America...we had raids. So what happened? To keep raiders uninterested....the Corps started carrying massive debt. Then the CFO's began running these Corps and the CEOs began to be the vessel that allowed salaries and bonuses and perks that even the original owners of these Corps would have never allowed.

Don't think that's true?

I give you Sam Walton. I give you George Kaiser.

What has changed is Philanthropy. Guys like George and Sam eventually die. Then the Corp turns to itself and says "Where do we go from here?". Internally we all have seen how Walmart has changed for one example. It's no longer about giving jobs to people....it's about pushing product. Nobody at them wants to help you unless you run into the occasional person that takes personal responsibility and pride in what they do there. It's not something Walmart teaches there....when it happens....it's something that comes from people who work hard and are OK that they get little recognition for it. It didn't used to be that way at Walmarts prior to Sam dieing and the SuperCenter Models.

You can choose to not purchase their products but they still keep right on growing and making a major impact on small businesses in America's Small Towns and medium cities. In large cities...they have become places I avoid.

I have seen another Corp deregulate in the 80's and be run by an Inspiring Leader. While he was there...he grew that Corp into the Largest and most Iconic in his Industry. Since he retired he has been followed up by two CFO's. Money guys. They haven't grown the business. They have shuffled money. They have only created growth by finding ways to cut corners instead of run their business efficiently and be the best in their industry. They continue to blame their tough times on things that have shown they can become Profit Centers for them and instead of making money and expanding on opportunities they realised they were turning a profit that they would need to use to grow the business. Instead they go back into the we need to be in debt mode. They have been doing this for nearly 2 decades now. They only know money. They don't know the business.

America is run by money guys now. We no longer have leaders...we have bankers. We don't have leaders like Chrysler has put in place and refuses to see the Company bankrupt. He has gone onto the floor of Chrysler and shutdown the boardrooms. Decisions are made right down where the Company runs it's daily operations. He's committed to making better cars that people will buy. A good product will lead to success and money. He's growing the Corp not feeding off what's left of it and driving it into debt. His personal wealth seems to be saving an American Icon. He runs it like he truly owns it instead of running it like it's an opportunity to amass personal wealth and stock options.

I have worked for two people like this at two different Corps in my life. I miss then very much. These guys that are there now.....they are faceless jokers in suits that I don't trust, I don't like and if Regular Joe doesn't like his Boss...I wonder how the hell the Board of Directors in this Country can like them either. You would think they would love to see someone who could inspire the workforce instead of beat them down and use them up until it was time to sell them to a Mitt Romney and allow it all to be cut up, sold off and the people who believed...let go.

What I see happening in many of these Opportunities is the end of the Corporation.

For me...that's sad as I thought at one time....I was proud to know i worked for one of America's greatest Icons.

[okie52]

Just a follow-up to threads from long ago. I just sat through a week of long analysis of infrastructure, pricing, oil output, gas output, etc. It is our company's review of fundamentals forecasting of products, refining capacity, etc. It is going to be virtually impossible to become energy independent strictly from a crude oil perspective without some shifting of transportation infrastructure to natural gas. Building some new refineries would help particularly on the West Coast. We did some probabilistic assessments of the Atlantic and Pacific offshore. They would help but due to what could be a price collapse in the US, it is unlikely that some of the plays would be economic. There are already issues with the current split between WTI and Brent. Look at the LLS price versus WTI, and you can see pricing issues already which we expect to continue for a number of years.

I doubt any offshore drilling at the present are being drilled for NG...wouldn't make economic sense to do so unless it was a hedge on future prices. Now NG prices would rise, no doubt, if a significant portion of transportation did move to NG but there has been absolutely no help from Obama on that front in his first 3 years in office.

I don't look at energy independence as being strictly a crude oil driven. NG makes sense because of its vast reserves in the US. But conservation, nukes, ng, crude, green energy all need to be employed.

But punishing energy segments makes no sense at all...particularly when you have almost 2/3 of our trade deficit being derived from imported crude.

[Skysooner]

I doubt any offshore drilling at the present are being drilled for NG...wouldn't make economic sense to do so unless it was a hedge on future prices. Now NG prices would rise, no doubt, if a significant portion of transportation did move to NG but there has been absolutely no help from Obama on that front in his first 3 years in office.

I don't look at energy independence as being strictly a crude oil driven. NG makes sense because of its vast reserves in the US. But conservation, nukes, ng, crude, green energy all need to be employed.

But punishing energy segments makes no sense at all...particularly when you have almost 2/3 of our trade deficit being derived from imported crude.

True on using other sources and with those it is doable. Obama has actually been very helpful for NG transportation infrastructure. It just isn't widely known. We have a whole team devoted to this, and I keep up with it. Part of our forecast includes NG and crude oil growth demand as well as the implementation of renewables. Unfortunately the analysis on renewables didn't talk about energy independence but only the effect on certain product pricing. Keystone XL delay actually had a much larger effect than I imagined once I saw it put into play. Delaying that decision will cost the NG market quite a bit since NG is used for oil extraction in Canada, and the delay has set back the implementation of new SAGD projects due to projected pipeline capacity being maxed in 2014. Basically it set things back about 18 months. I can almost guarantee it will go through now though from what I heard.

[okie52]

True on using other sources and with those it is doable. Obama has actually been very helpful for NG transportation infrastructure. It just isn't widely known. We have a whole team devoted to this, and I keep up with it. Part of our forecast includes NG and crude oil growth demand as well as the implementation of renewables. Unfortunately the analysis on renewables didn't talk about energy independence but only the effect on certain product pricing. Keystone XL delay actually had a much larger effect than I imagined once I saw it put into play. Delaying that decision will cost the NG market quite a bit since NG is used for oil extraction in Canada, and the delay has set back the implementation of new SAGD projects due to projected pipeline capacity being maxed in 2014. Basically it set things back about 18 months. I can almost guarantee it will go through now though from what I heard.

If Obama has been helpful on NG I haven't seen it. Aubrey and TBoone had to venture out on their own to try to network/market NG to the fleets/trucks. Per Aubrey he couldn't even get a meeting with Obama in the last year. If obama would have devoted 8 billion to creating fuel points for ng ( a mere pittance compared to the $80 billion he threw at green energy) we would greatly accelerate demand for NG. Of course there is also the ridiculously high conversion costs for cars which should be greatly minimized once they were mass produced at the factory with the public knowing there will be plenty of refueling locations.

I didn't realize the pipeline impacted NG but I am sure I miss plenty of codependent relationships in energy.

[Skysooner]

If Obama has been helpful on NG I haven't seen it. Aubrey and TBoone had to venture out on their own to try to network/market NG to the fleets/trucks. Per Aubrey he couldn't even get a meeting with Obama in the last year. If obama would have devoted 8 billion to creating fuel points for ng ( a mere pittance compared to the $80 billion he threw at green energy) we would greatly accelerate demand for NG. Of course there is also the ridiculously high conversion costs for cars which should be greatly minimized once they were mass produced at the factory with the public knowing there will be plenty of refueling locations.

I didn't realize the pipeline impacted NG but I am sure I miss plenty of codependent relationships in energy.

The infrastructure is key. Mostly the help has been with long-haul trucking fleets and encouraging the car companies to build mass-produced vehicles. My company has been quietly working to get public stations built. There are a couple up already and more to come. The refit of the cars along with the total reduction in trunk space is the issue.

I have known Aubrey off and on for 20 years, and I wouldn't exactly trust what he says. His company is in a bit of trouble unfortunately right now. They don't have much wiggle room to get through the next 18-24 months. One thing I will say is the guy could sell snow to an eskimo and built a strong company. They just invested too much in land.

[okie52]

The infrastructure is key. Mostly the help has been with long-haul trucking fleets and encouraging the car companies to build mass-produced vehicles. My company has been quietly working to get public stations built. There are a couple up already and more to come. The refit of the cars along with the total reduction in trunk space is the issue.

I have known Aubrey off and on for 20 years, and I wouldn't exactly trust what he says. His company is in a bit of trouble unfortunately right now. They don't have much wiggle room to get through the next 18-24 months. One thing I will say is the guy could sell snow to an eskimo and built a strong company. They just invested too much in land.

Aubrey is a Kerr and, believe it or not, says he voted for Obama. I know there is a lot of politician to Aubrey but I can't deny what he has done with building Chesapeake.

I don't think Aubrey made a mistake with his land approach...really pure genius. Where I think he got his neck caught is that he stayed committed too long to just NG when it was obvious that the more profitable plays were going to oil. He obviously shifted but not until 2-3 years ago. Still I like the way he sells his deals.

[Skysooner]

Aubrey is a Kerr and, believe it or not, says he voted for Obama. I know there is a lot of politician to Aubrey but I can't deny what he has done with building Chesapeake.

I don't think Aubrey made a mistake with his land approach...really pure genius. Where I think he got his neck caught is that he stayed committed too long to just NG when it was obvious that the more profitable plays were going to oil. He obviously shifted but not until 2-3 years ago. Still I like the way he sells his deals.

My company waited longer than that to shift. It was a big problem within the company. You may recall the study I told you about earlier that really began our solid shift about 6 months ago. He bet too long on NG and then leveraged himself too much. They have been in oil plays longer than we have but don't have the capital to develop them (hence all the JVs they have had to do). I also don't think much of their technical engineering beyond their operations folks who are top notch.

[okie52]

My company waited longer than that to shift. It was a big problem within the company. You may recall the study I told you about earlier that really began our solid shift about 6 months ago. He bet too long on NG and then leveraged himself too much. They have been in oil plays longer than we have but don't have the capital to develop them (hence all the JVs they have had to do). I also don't think much of their technical engineering beyond their operations folks who are top notch.

Technical engineering? What type of technical engineering?