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soonercruiser
2/13/2012, 02:44 PM
As the Demoncratic Party began chipping away at our moral foundation many years back (thanks to the Rockafellers at Notre Dame), many saw what was coming down the road.
"The slippery slope doesn't exist", YOU say?

(This is from 2009)

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jkjsooner
2/13/2012, 04:46 PM
I saw as much as I needed to see in the first 20 seconds of that.

Nationalization of banks - false

Takeover of the auto industry - Mostly false. The government has been aggressive in selling its shares of GM. The plan from the very beginning was to get out of the ownership business as fast as possible. The only sticking point is how low the government will sell.

Also, how do you forget that TARP 1 was under Bush/Paulson?


I think you know all of this. You know why the government did what it did even if you don't agree with it. You know darn well that (other than health care) Obama doesn't want the government to take over private industry and only did it out of necessity.

If you want to argue whether it was really necessary then we can have a real debate. If you stick to the line that this was some socialism plan long in the making (lucky he had that financial crisis then wasn't it?) then there's nothing to debate.


Anyway, I don't know what point you were trying to make and I have no interest in hearing any more spin from the idiot in that video.

TUSooner
2/13/2012, 04:52 PM
Another excellent reason to keep cruiser on ignore.

soonercruiser
2/14/2012, 03:34 PM
I saw as much as I needed to see in the first 20 seconds of that.

Nationalization of banks - false

Takeover of the auto industry - Mostly false. The government has been aggressive in selling its shares of GM. The plan from the very beginning was to get out of the ownership business as fast as possible. The only sticking point is how low the government will sell.

Also, how do you forget that TARP 1 was under Bush/Paulson?


I think you know all of this. You know why the government did what it did even if you don't agree with it. You know darn well that (other than health care) Obama doesn't want the government to take over private industry and only did it out of necessity.

If you want to argue whether it was really necessary then we can have a real debate. If you stick to the line that this was some socialism plan long in the making (lucky he had that financial crisis then wasn't it?) then there's nothing to debate.


Anyway, I don't know what point you were trying to make and I have no interest in hearing any more spin from the idiot in that video.

Duh!
The post is about Obama's plan for that obstacle - the Catholic Church!

diverdog
2/14/2012, 11:11 PM
Duh!
The post is about Obama's plan for that obstacle - the Catholic Church!

Yeah, like Catholic Church has the moral high ground on any issue. At its very core the Catholic Church is one of the most corrupt institutions on the planet.

soonercruiser
2/14/2012, 11:55 PM
Come on Diver! You are merely diverting attention - an Aliskyian tactic.
What are the abuse statistics with teachers? What are teachers and administrators doing about it?

Obama is definately not on any kind of moral ground....not even low ground.

diverdog
2/15/2012, 12:15 AM
Come on Diver! You are merely diverting attention - an Aliskyian tactic.
What are the abuse statistics with teachers? What are teachers and administrators doing about it?

Obama is definately not on any kind of moral ground....not even low ground.

Well apparently you are not following anything that is going on in the Vatican these days.

Oh and Cruiser it is not the abuse but the cover up and moving of the priest that is the issue. All of this was done under the advice of the current pope.

Ton Loc
2/15/2012, 01:56 PM
I believe its somewhere around 600 priests/molesters that are currently unaccounted for or hidden by the church. 200 of them are in California. I'll take Obama's morals over them right now.

C&CDean
2/15/2012, 02:24 PM
I believe its somewhere around 600 priests/molesters that are currently unaccounted for or hidden by the church. 200 of them are in California. I'll take Obama's morals over them right now.

I'd say it's pretty much a wash.

soonercruiser
2/15/2012, 10:23 PM
No wash here!
(outside of the fact that Profit & Diver have always had this anti-Catholic fetish....)
Merely look up the actual statistics! FACTS!

Otherwise, it just more liberals like Obama attacking the Catholic Church.
(The Church that OBama identifies as the biggest obstacle to his agenda.)

What are the perpetrator statistics on fathers, brothers, neighbors, etc.?
The most commonly reported perpetrators are fathers and stepfathers. Brothers, sisters, mothers, baby-sitters, and uncles, are also among the most common abusers. Who abuses is an important piece in the question, "why do people abuse?" We don’t necessarily know why, but we do know most abusers were abused themselves. With incest perpetration being a family based sexual abuse, it can repeat itself from family member to family member, generation before generation, and those thereafter. But despite this, we know from statistics that overwhelmingly, most children who have been abused, don’t go on to abuse others.
http://www.allaboutcounseling.com/sexual_abuse.htm#sa5

http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics

10 Myths about Priestly Pedophilia
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/facts/fm0011.html


Statistics from the FBI, Crimes Against Children website

•The FBI estimates each child has almost a 25% chance of being molested, with a sex offender living ‘in every square mile of the United States.’
•They also believe approximately 1 in 10 men have molested children, with only a 3% chance of being caught for their crimes. (That’s why you should identify registered offenders in your area…..).
According to Ken Wooden, author and expert on child protection
at Child Lures Prevention website (Seen on CNN, Oprah, Today, Primetime. Website HIGHLY RECOMMENDED)


•Predators are male and female, adults of all ages, all classes, all races, all vocations.
•Male offenders who abused girls had an average of 52 victims each
•Men who molested boys had an astonishing average of 150 victims each -- what an eye-opening statistic!
•Only 3% of these crimes had ever been detected.
•49% of offenders of victims under age 6 were family members
•42% of offenders of victims ages 7-11 were family members
•24% of offenders of victims ages 12 - 17 were family members
•Most common age to be victim – brink of puberty, pre-teen because are curious or ignorant. (So important o supervise and talk honestly openly about sexuality so child molesters don’t teach our kids for us!•Peak time for assaults on children: after school, 3 p.m. Also at meal times (morning, noon, dinnertime) in a residence of victim, offender or other home. Other incidents were at the traditional meal times of 8 am, noon and 6 pm. Most of these assaults happened in the home of the victim, the home of the offender, or another residence.
•Men who abused girls had an average of 52 victims each.
•Men who molested boys had an astonishing average of 150 victims each
•Only 3% of these crimes had ever been detected.
•The most common lure affection (see LURES on ‘prevention tips’)
http://www.raising-redheads.com/statistics.html

soonercruiser
2/15/2012, 11:05 PM
I know that this does not justify any molestation.......horrible crime in every way.
And, no justifications for cover ups from those whom we expect more of....

June 16, 2011 | Andrew Beato | 7 Comments
Catholic priest child molestation no worse than in other professions
http://intentious.com/2011/06/16/catholic-priest-child-molestation-no-worse-than-in-other-professions/

Catholic child abuse in proportionMany Catholic priests and religious have abused children in their care. But is the church's record worse than the world's?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2010/mar/11/catholic-abuse-priests

Myth of a Catholic Crisis PDF
The truth about “pedophile priests”
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/article/2010/jun/01/00026/

The psychiatric profession now considers Pedophilia to be a distinct sexual ... Child molesters are generally married men, of any age, who are primarily drawn to ...
http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/pedophilia_and_molestation.htm

Enough for now.
No excuses for it, or them.
But, please get off the targeting Catholic priests, Diver.
Or, do you need the toll free number for the Abuse Hot Line for advice?

Serge Ibaka
2/15/2012, 11:13 PM
1. Catholic church should stop taking tax payer money or shut it.

2. Most Catholic women use contraception. And by most, I mean almost all of them.

diverdog
2/15/2012, 11:20 PM
I know that this does not justify any molestation.......horrible crime in every way.
And, no justifications for cover ups from those whom we expect more of....

June 16, 2011 | Andrew Beato | 7 Comments
Catholic priest child molestation no worse than in other professions
http://intentious.com/2011/06/16/catholic-priest-child-molestation-no-worse-than-in-other-professions/

Catholic child abuse in proportionMany Catholic priests and religious have abused children in their care. But is the church's record worse than the world's?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2010/mar/11/catholic-abuse-priests

Myth of a Catholic Crisis PDF
The truth about “pedophile priests”
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/article/2010/jun/01/00026/

The psychiatric profession now considers Pedophilia to be a distinct sexual ... Child molesters are generally married men, of any age, who are primarily drawn to ...
http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/pedophilia_and_molestation.htm

Enough for now.
No excuses for it, or them.
But, please get off the targeting Catholic priests, Diver.
Or, do you need the toll free number for the Abuse Hot Line for advice?

Still not reading the news are you cruiser?

diverdog
2/15/2012, 11:23 PM
No wash here!
(outside of the fact that Profit & Diver have always had this anti-Catholic fetish....)
Merely look up the actual statistics! FACTS!

Otherwise, it just more liberals like Obama attacking the Catholic Church.
(The Church that OBama identifies as the biggest obstacle to his agenda.)

What are the perpetrator statistics on fathers, brothers, neighbors, etc.?
The most commonly reported perpetrators are fathers and stepfathers. Brothers, sisters, mothers, baby-sitters, and uncles, are also among the most common abusers. Who abuses is an important piece in the question, "why do people abuse?" We don’t necessarily know why, but we do know most abusers were abused themselves. With incest perpetration being a family based sexual abuse, it can repeat itself from family member to family member, generation before generation, and those thereafter. But despite this, we know from statistics that overwhelmingly, most children who have been abused, don’t go on to abuse others.
http://www.allaboutcounseling.com/sexual_abuse.htm#sa5

http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics

10 Myths about Priestly Pedophilia
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/facts/fm0011.html

I would say 10 years of Catholic school and being raised in a strict Irish Catholic home gives me some leeway on criticizing a church that has lost its way.

Blue
2/15/2012, 11:55 PM
I saw as much as I needed to see in the first 20 seconds of that.

Nationalization of banks - false

Takeover of the auto industry - Mostly false. The government has been aggressive in selling its shares of GM. The plan from the very beginning was to get out of the ownership business as fast as possible. The only sticking point is how low the government will sell.

Also, how do you forget that TARP 1 was under Bush/Paulson?


I think you know all of this. You know why the government did what it did even if you don't agree with it. You know darn well that (other than health care) Obama doesn't want the government to take over private industry and only did it out of necessity.

If you want to argue whether it was really necessary then we can have a real debate. If you stick to the line that this was some socialism plan long in the making (lucky he had that financial crisis then wasn't it?) then there's nothing to debate.


Anyway, I don't know what point you were trying to make and I have no interest in hearing any more spin from the idiot in that video.

Anybody in 2012 that thinks the govt isn't owned by big money and vice versa and thinks their say so or vote actually matters is the idiot.

47straight
2/16/2012, 11:08 AM
1. Catholic church should stop taking tax payer money or shut it.


Does that go for all non-profits, or just churches you don't like?

Ton Loc
2/16/2012, 02:47 PM
Still not reading the news are you cruiser?

He's just a big fan of the "we're no worse than everyone else" argument while ignoring that the cover-up and hypocrisy of the church is the real issue.

diverdog
2/16/2012, 11:05 PM
He's just a big fan of the "we're no worse than everyone else" argument while ignoring that the cover-up and hypocrisy of the church is the real issue.

Apparently their are a few more issues like money laundering.

The church needs one big enema to get rid of all the out touch clergy that currently control the church. A bunch of them need to be in jail starting with the current pope. What he did was a hundred times worse than what those men did at Penn State in covering up the Sandusky scandal.....and they are going to jail. The Pope covered up dozens of cases.

soonercruiser
2/16/2012, 11:05 PM
Still not reading the news are you cruiser?

Still ignoring the facts, are you Diver?

soonercruiser
2/16/2012, 11:07 PM
Apparently their are a few more issues like money laundering.

The church needs one big enema to get rid of all the out touch clergy that currently control the church. A bunch of them need to be in jail starting with the current pope.

What say we start by jailing Chris Dodd, Barney's Frank, Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Eric HOlder, and a few more Dems.
Then I listen to ya.

soonercruiser
2/16/2012, 11:13 PM
1. Catholic church should stop taking tax payer money or shut it.

2. Most Catholic women use contraception. And by most, I mean almost all of them.

Actullay I agree with #1.
And, I think that as part of a rebuild of the tax code, tax-exemption should be a thing of the past.
BTW - that would have helped the Church "come out of the closet" and openly educate Catholics on abortion, contraception, and their voting responsibilities.
As it is, and was, they are afraid to talk about it from the pulpit.

Besides, "it is easier to pass through the eye of the needle, that to enter the kingdom....".
Don't guess everyone will get there....it's not like welfare and bailouts!
You can be too bad, and fail!

#2 - Most if all Americans have used drugs, or are using at least Maryjane! Obama plugged his nostrils with cocaine!
Does that make it legal? Does that make it "right" and moral?
Nice try!

diverdog
2/17/2012, 06:02 AM
Actullay I agree with #1.
And, I think that as part of a rebuild of the tax code, tax-exemption should be a thing of the past.
BTW - that would have helped the Church "come out of the closet" and openly educate Catholics on abortion, contraception, and their voting responsibilities.
As it is, and was, they are afraid to talk about it from the pulpit.

Besides, "it is easier to pass through the eye of the needle, that to enter the kingdom....".
Don't guess everyone will get there....it's not like welfare and bailouts!
You can be too bad, and fail!

#2 - Most if all Americans have used drugs, or are using at least Maryjane! Obama plugged his nostrils with cocaine!
Does that make it legal? Does that make it "right" and moral?
Nice try!

Cruiser:

Most women use birth control for something other than birth control.....like regulating their period and getting rid of the cramping. The Catholic Churches position on this subject is completely ridiculous and it is not supported by most Catholics (53%). If I were Obama I would tell the church to take an aspirin and STFU.


It's not even close: By a lopsided margin of 66 percent to 26 percent, Americans support President Barack Obama's proposal to require private health insurance plans to cover the full cost of birth control for women, according to a new CBS/New York Times public opinion poll (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/15/us/politics/20120215_poll_docs.html?ref=politics).Rephrasing the question to ask specifically about "religiously affiliated employers, such as a hospital or university," barely moved the needle, to 61 percent to 31 percent.
Those numbers, which come with a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points, are better for Obama than his numbers on foreign policy (50 percent approve, 36 percent disapprove), Afghanistan in particular (51 percent approve, 36 percent disapprove) and are nearly the mirror image of public opinion on his handling of the federal budget deficit, where he loses 32 percent to 59 percent.
National polls can understate the political danger of a given issue. Congressional Democrats fretted last week that the firestorm could cost them dearly among blue-collar voters, especially Catholics., in states like Pennsylvania. Some Democrats complained privately that the
"culture war" clash drowned out the positive news about the economy.
The poll was conducted from Feb. 8 to Feb. 13. It's not clear what impact Obama's proposed "accommodation" to religious institutions will have politically.

sappstuf
2/17/2012, 07:21 AM
The CDC did a study just a couple of years ago. 99% of women of child bearing age had taken a contraceptive at least once in their lives. Among the issues listed as a reason to not use birth control, access to contraceptives wasn't even listed anywhere as a concern by women.

If 99% of women have no problem getting birth control, then what is the reason for the mandate? Obama might as well mandate that everyone in the United States breath oxygen...

I think this mandate will be struck down for violating the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and when it does, you will have President Clinton and many Dems to thank for it since it passed the House unanimously and the Senate by a 97-3 vote.

Text of the law:


(a) In general
This chapter applies to all Federal law, and the implementation
of that law, whether statutory or otherwise, and whether adopted
before or after November 16, 1993.
(b) Rule of construction
Federal statutory law adopted after November 16, 1993, is subject
to this chapter unless such law explicitly excludes such
application by reference to this chapter.
(c) Religious belief unaffected
Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to authorize any
government to burden any religious belief.

Nothing in Obamacare references this law and the ruling from HHS cannot override it.