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TitoMorelli
2/8/2012, 05:42 PM
Oklahoma’s proposed anti-abortion Senate Bill 1433 states a fetus “at every stage of development (has) all the rights, privileges, and immunities available to other persons, citizens, and residents of this state.”

In response, pro-choice Oklahoma State Senator Constance Johnson introduced an amendment to the bill that read: “However, any action in which a man ejaculates or otherwise deposits semen anywhere but in a woman’s vagina shall be interpreted and construed as an action against an unborn child.”

This would outlaw masturbation by men, anal sex, sex with condoms, all forms of fellatio to completion, as well as other sex acts. She later withdrew the measure (no pun intended), but stated that she had inserted it to highlight the sexism in the current bill.

Democrat Jim Wilson tried to introduce a serious amendment stating that all men would be responsible for the full support and well-being of any woman carrying their child for the duration of the pregnancy, including housing, food, transportation and all medical costs. That amendment failed.


http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/2010-elections/oklahoma-state-senator-constance-johnson-tries-ban-masturbation

XingTheRubicon
2/8/2012, 06:16 PM
gonna need more jails

SoonerPride
2/8/2012, 06:23 PM
The "personhood" fight has come to Oklahoma.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/us/politics/personhood-amendments-would-ban-nearly-all-abortions.html?pagewanted=all

It failed on the ballot in Mississippi, not exactly a bastion of lefties and socialists.

Categorizing a fertilized egg as a person has far-reaching effects that run counter to the idea of small government. The government needs to stay the heck out of the bedroom.

SicEmBaylor
2/8/2012, 06:45 PM
The "personhood" fight has come to Oklahoma.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/us/politics/personhood-amendments-would-ban-nearly-all-abortions.html?pagewanted=all

It failed on the ballot in Mississippi, not exactly a bastion of lefties and socialists.

Categorizing a fertilized egg as a person has far-reaching effects that run counter to the idea of small government. The government needs to stay the heck out of the bedroom.

You're completely right, but I find it laughable coming from you.

SoonerPride
2/8/2012, 07:37 PM
You're completely right, but I find it laughable coming from you.

Glad I'm providing you some laughs.
I'm here every night.
Make sure to tip your waitress.

soonercruiser
2/8/2012, 08:42 PM
Will "personhood" apply to OSU graduates?

Skysooner
2/8/2012, 10:16 PM
Will "sheephood" apply to OSU graduates?

Fixed it for ya.

OU_Sooners75
2/8/2012, 10:43 PM
I guess I will be in jail if this passes. :dispirited:


(I swear, phil needs to get some better smilies)!

sappstuf
2/8/2012, 11:33 PM
http://toxichominid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Constance-Johnson.png

TitoMorelli
2/9/2012, 12:10 AM
Back when Pop referred to me as the little squirt, I guess I never really understood the implication.

Whet
2/9/2012, 09:29 AM
The jerking Democrat judge would be in a lot of trouble!

Sooner_Bob
2/9/2012, 09:41 AM
Unbelievable . . . so now semen = an unborn child.

Men are a bunch of murderers!

Whet
2/9/2012, 09:43 AM
who would have thought Sic'Em would be a serial killer! ;)

Mississippi Sooner
2/9/2012, 09:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

Sooner_Bob
2/9/2012, 09:47 AM
who would have thought Sic'Em would be a serial killer! ;)

Premeditated murder . . . .

badger
2/9/2012, 09:57 AM
The jerking Democrat judge would be in a lot of trouble!

Under this law, couldn't you just refer to as a male version of a breast pu... NO I AM NOT GOING TO GO THERE EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

KantoSooner
2/9/2012, 10:17 AM
So, then, with what would you charge a boy who just had a wet dream? Involuntary manslaughter? Or perhaps a sympathtic DA could simply call it 'death by misadventure'. And would the RICO statutes be involved if his girlfriend had gotten him all excited over the phone before bedtime? Perhaps conspiracy, and if she was from out of state, then it becomes federal. Ye Gods!
This law could really open a can of worms, so to speak.

Mississippi Sooner
2/9/2012, 10:20 AM
For Pete's sake, man, are not the blindness and hairy palms punishment enough?

TUSooner
2/9/2012, 10:35 AM
She later withdrew the measure (no pun intended), but stated that she had inserted it to highlight the sexism in the current bill. I hope someone caught the fact that the amendment wasn't meant to be serious, but rather to mock the bill. At least I hope that's what she meant.

Anyway, the way Okie legislators pose and pander to the proudly ignorant puritan bloc is scary. (Is Oklahoma bucking for theocracy status?) It almost makes one wish for good old-fashioned bribery and corruption.

sappstuf
2/9/2012, 11:14 AM
who would have thought Sic'Em would be a serial killer! ;)

Just think of all the potential that has slipped right through his hands...

okie52
2/9/2012, 11:45 AM
I hope someone caught the fact that the amendment wasn't meant to be serious, but rather to mock the bill. At least I hope that's what she meant.

Anyway, the way Okie legislators pose and pander to the proudly ignorant puritan bloc is scary. (Is Oklahoma bucking for theocracy status?) It almost makes one wish for good old-fashioned bribery and corruption.

Bring back Gene Stipe!!!!

Ike
2/9/2012, 02:49 PM
So if a personhood bill/amendment passes, would a pregnant woman who would otherwise have sought an abortion be able to sue the "person" residing inside her for trespassing?

SoonerAtKU
2/9/2012, 03:20 PM
Or at the least, it's misdemeanor battery for unwanted physical contact.

47straight
2/9/2012, 05:58 PM
So if a personhood bill/amendment passes, would a pregnant woman who would otherwise have sought an abortion be able to sue the "person" residing inside her for trespassing?

Yes. You can sue anyone. However, the attorney representing the person would show that their client did not have the requisite intent for trespass, and further have a defense that the plaintiff is at least 50% responsible for the present location of their client.

47straight
2/9/2012, 05:59 PM
Or at the least, it's misdemeanor battery for unwanted physical contact.

How would you prove the mens rea requirement?

badger
2/15/2012, 05:08 PM
We just did what Mississippi couldn't... or rather, our Senate did.

Link (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=336&articleid=20120215_336_0_OKLAHO429356)

34-8. "Personhood" begins at conception. Abortion is still allowed under Roe v Wade, of course.

Funny tidbit:


An amendment by Sen. Constance Johnson, D-Oklahoma City, did not get heard due to a procedural move by Crain.

The amendment said that if a woman was raped, the rapist would undergo a vasectomy, be fined $25,0000, and be financially responsible for the child until the child turns 21.

Sooner_Bob
2/16/2012, 08:23 AM
We just did what Mississippi couldn't... or rather, our Senate did.

Link (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=336&articleid=20120215_336_0_OKLAHO429356)

34-8. "Personhood" begins at conception. Abortion is still allowed under Roe v Wade, of course.

Funny tidbit:

An amendment by Sen. Constance Johnson, D-Oklahoma City, did not get heard due to a procedural move by Crain.

The amendment said that if a woman was raped, the rapist would undergo a vasectomy, be fined $25,0000, and be financially responsible for the child until the child turns 21.


Is that funny tidbit legit?

badger
2/16/2012, 09:25 AM
Is that funny tidbit legit?

It might not be legitimately funny, but I believe it to be 100 percent legit, that the amendment was in fact offered but not heard due to procedure. Look for the letters behind their names to figure out why it wasn't heard, heh.

I am not trying to cast poor light on Republicans here, because I understand that Democrats used to do the same thing when they were in charge of Oklahoma. Rather, it's just politics as usual.

I really, really hope that the House doesn't rubber stamp this like the Senate did. Please, listen to the medical professionals of the state. They've had to go to school for seven years, they've had to take out millions in medical malpractice insurance, they have people's lives in their hands, they KNOW this subject better than elected officials in an election year.