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okie52
12/19/2011, 10:22 AM
Gingrich Says Illegal Immigrants Should Leave


Candidate Leaves Door Open For Longtime Community Members


By Tom CohenCNN


POSTED: 12:07 pm EST December 18, 2011
UPDATED: 3:59 am EST December 19, 2011


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Newt Gingrich insisted Sunday that some illegal immigrants who have become full community members should be able to stay in the country, but he added that his policy would require 7 million or more to go back to their home nations before having a chance to return.
Appearing on the CBS program "Face the Nation," the front-running Republican presidential hopeful repeated his call for some kind of citizen review board to assess whether illegal immigrants would be eligible to get a residency permit and stay in America.
Gingrich, a former House Speaker, said the American people would not tolerate the forced removal of someone who has lived in their community for 25 years, has children and grandchildren, and belongs to a local church. However, Gingrich said he expected about 1 million of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants to qualify under the review board process to remain in the country, adding that they would have to be sponsored by an American family.
The rest would have to leave, Gingrich said.
"My guess is that 7 or 8 or 9 million would ultimately go home to get a guest or worker permit and return under the law," Gingrich said.
His immigration policy has come under attack from some rival candidates who call it a form of amnesty -- a virtual dirty word for the conservative tea party movement.

Copyright CNN 2011


Read more: http://www.wesh.com/politics/30024208/detail.html#ixzz1gzhL8dyU

The American people just won't stand for a 25 years illegal being removed...that 20 year guy, well, that's okay.

SanJoaquinSooner
12/19/2011, 10:41 AM
who's your candidate, okie?

okie52
12/19/2011, 11:00 AM
SanJoaqin-He11, I really don't know. I guess Romney but I won't be that upset if he doesn't get it.

It looks like it is down to Newt and Romney and I'd vote for either of them vs Obama.

How about you?

OULenexaman
12/19/2011, 11:30 AM
I would take a dead fish over BHO.

okie52
12/19/2011, 11:57 AM
BHO has had some real opportunities during his term to move forward on energy but he has been a huge failure in that area.

okie52
12/19/2011, 12:01 PM
Of course Newt's 25 year guy is interesting since a 25 year guy would have arrived here just after the last amnesty (to end all amnesties).

AlboSooner
12/26/2011, 11:39 AM
Things must be really bad when a charlatan like Newt G seems like a plausible candidate for president.

badger
12/26/2011, 11:54 AM
I remember when Wisconsin went to a graduated driver's license... if you didn't turn 16 by a certain date, you had the dumbed-down license--- no more than one passenger under 18 in the car unless they were siblings, no driving at late hours, etc. etc. You should have heard the howling of those that had just missed the cutoff date... soooo unfair that they were off by just a month or two!

I imagine that the same thing happened a generation before in Wisconsin, when the drinking age was slowly raised to 21 in order to not get highway funds cutoff. If you turned 18 by a certain date, you'd still be able to drink (they raised the age to 19, then 20, then 21 to follow the cutoff date), but if you missed the cutoff date, you were underage.

My point in bringing this up is that a cutoff date is always seen as unfair, unequal and just an arbitrary date to set people that are otherwise seemingly equal apart from each other.

At the same time, it would probably require too much effort to take it case-by-case, so a cutoff date is probably easiest to enforce. That's what Wisconsin did with graduated driver's licenses and the drinking age.

hawaii 5-0
12/26/2011, 12:11 PM
I wish Newt would explain how he couldn't get even 10,000 valid signatures to get on the primary ballot in Virginia.

And he lives there, for crissakes.

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badger
12/26/2011, 12:24 PM
I wish Newt would explain how he couldn't get even 10,000 valid signatures to get on the primary ballot in Virginia.

And he lives there, for crissakes.

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I hope its like the Al Gore situation, where people could nag and naysay and be all like "If only you carried your home state, you would have won." :D

Gingrich's response?


"Voters deserve the right to vote for any top contender, especially leading candidates," Gingrich campaign director Michael Krull said in a statement. "We will work with the Republican Party of Virginia to pursue an aggressive write-in campaign to make sure that all the voters of Virginia are able to vote for the candidate of their choice."

Riiiiight, a write-in campaign. Has anyone ever seen a successful write-in campaign, at any level?

Oh wait, there's more:


However, state law says this about primary write-in campaigns: "No write-in shall be permitted on ballots in primary elections."

"Virginia code prohibits write-ins in primaries. He can't do it," said Carl Tobias, a law professor at University of Richmond.

I must say that I am kind of surprised by the requirement to have at least 400 sigs from each area of the state in order to be on the ballot. To my knowledge, the requirement here in Oklahoma is either just a big number of sigs, or money. Guess what route most candidates took :)

Oh wait... there's even more:


“Newt and I agreed that the analogy is December 1941: We have experienced an unexpected setback, but we will re-group and re-focus with increased determination, commitment and positive action,” Campaign Director Michael Krull wrote on Gingrich’s official Facebook page on Saturday.

Offering what appeared to be an FDR-inspired rallying cry, Krull continued: “Throughout the next months there will be ups and downs; there will be successes and failures; there will be easy victories and difficult days -- but in the end, we will stand victorious.”

Oh my goodness... way to cost yourself the veteran vote. Continued...


The attack on Pearl Harbor, which killed more than 2,300 Americans and led to the United States entry into World War II, may not be very analogous to some.

For one, Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack. Gingrich has known for months about the Dec. 22 deadline to file. Secondly, Pearl Harbor was extremely deadly while failing to qualify in Virginia doesn’t quite carry the same consequence.

I'm pulling all of this stuff from the Fox News website btw. Those are the first returns for a google news search for "newt gingrich virginia."

I find it kind of odd that Gingrich lives in Virginia now... perhaps it was from his marital troubles that he left Georgia (the place he rep'd when he was Speaker of the House).

In any event... this is not the end of a campaign by any means. As you political board types may recall, most Democratic candidates chose to sit out the Meat Chicken primary back in 2008 because the national delegation asked them to as punishment for moving their primary too early in the calendar year without prior approval.

But... what an interesting turn of events.

hawaii 5-0
12/26/2011, 01:46 PM
If memory serves the new Senator from Alaska won her seat via write-in ballots. Murkovsky or something like that.

Newt is quite an enigma. He needs a good advisor.

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badger
12/26/2011, 01:53 PM
If memory serves the new Senator from Alaska won her seat via write-in ballots. Murkovsky or something like that.

Newt is quite an enigma. He needs a good advisor.

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Write.... er... RIGHT you are!

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/18/us/politics/18alaska.html)

That is pretty crazy... it probably helps that there's only 500k people in Alaska and a lot are ineligible to vote (being under 18) or don't vote (for whatever reason) so that such a campaign could be successful.

Back in the rural area I used to live in, the county sheriff could never last beyond one term, so the primary loser (because nobody ever ran as a Democrat in that district, something you probably experience in the reverse in Hawaii) would immediately fire up a write-in campaign... and lose by an even wider margin.

Some guy that made tons of political mistakes (suggesting that he could challenge longterm Gov. Tommy Thompson, suggesting that his ballot name read "Elvis" to remind voters that he looks like him or something) lost in his primary, despite being a fairly longterm incumbent and son of the state rep that previously held that seat (yes, politics breeds nepotism everywhere, not just in the Tulsa mayor's office). His solution? A write-in campaign. How would he get people to write his name in? Homemade yard signs (seriously, those signs looked like CRAP and they were all over some of our streets, uggggh). How else? By telling voters to use stickers provided by his campaign (that were huge and would no way fit in the write-in spot on the ballot) and then the kicker: Encourage the voters to leave the stickers behind in the ballot booths so that other voters would also use them.

Oh yes, a very huge ethics violation, and he fortunately lost (by a huge margin) so there was no challenge from the winner afterward. It just pretty much ensured that he'd never hold that office again, thank gawd.

hawaii 5-0
12/26/2011, 02:23 PM
Somebody named LaFortune is T Town's mayor?

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badger
12/26/2011, 02:28 PM
Somebody named LaFortune is T Town's mayor?

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Close --- it's Bartlett again. :(

hawaii 5-0
12/26/2011, 04:27 PM
Close --- it's Bartlett again. :(


My second guess.

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badger
12/26/2011, 05:37 PM
Back on topic, I promise this isn't Republican angst or anything, since I have already said that I may even vote for Obama and no true Republican ever would, hehe, but here goes:

Never have I seen such an assembly of crappy candidates from top to bottom from one party where absolutely no candidate seems to have the charisma, or the credentials, or the military background, or the political allies, or anything worth anything in a political election or to serve in the Oval Office, than this bunch of Republicans.

Even in 2008, the top Democratic candidates at least had name recognition (Clinton) or charisma (Obama), even if they had minimal executive experience.

Perhaps this is the revisionist history in me thinking, but the earliest election I can remember was the 1988 one (I would have been one year old in 1984). George HW Bush had tons of foreign policy experience and was also the sitting vice president. Perfect. His primary opponent was the sitting governor of Massachusetts at the time (Dukakis) so he could be seen as a viable candidate also, even if he didn't win.

In 1992, you had an incumbent president versus a longtime governor of Arkansas. Fine. (even if the thought of Clinton chasing anything female creeps me out to this day).

In 1996, you had a longtime Senate leader in Bob Dole against a sitting president.

In 2000, you had someone with name recognition and governor of Texas (George W. Bush) against the sitting vice president (who also had a bit of nepotism on his side, like Bush, yes).

In 2004, you had W. against a prominent senator, and perhaps even a better candidate that unfortunately Dems couldn't get nominated after his early momentum, Howard Dean.

I would totally vote for John McCain again if he ran again... but he probably is getting too old for this presidential campaigning crap, heh. He was unquestionably a qualified candidate, a POW veteran and longtime Senate leader.

And now... 2012. Let's run them down, shall we?

Rick Perry, the corrupt governor of Texas that even his own alma mater Yell Leader school, Texas A&M, hates.

Newt Gingrich, the thrice married... I'm just going to stop there. I loved the idea of the Contract with America. Speaker of the House is a good prerequisite, but I can't get past that fact of being married three times, probably since I'm a girl. Ugggggggh

I am probably gonna end up voting for Mitt Romney, since I like what he did with the 2002 Olympics. You hear about those events and they're usually money pits that bleed the area/country dry for decades, but everything I've read indicates that the Olympics were actually a benefit to the Salt Lake City area and continue to be to this day, from continued mass transit options to not being buried in debt. I don't care that he's Mormon. Aside from the polygamous ones, they seem to be what you'd love to see in your fellow Christians: Hard working, devoted to family, educated, involved in the community and not overly judgmental of fellow Christians and non-Christians alike.

just my two cents. it is probably a stupid thing to get hung up over in, but I'm not voting for Newt.

hawaii 5-0
12/26/2011, 06:24 PM
Chris Christy next term vs. The Other Clinton.

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badger
12/26/2011, 06:42 PM
Chris Christy next term vs. The Other Clinton.

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Even my staunchly liberal Oregon relatives disliked The Other Clinton and probably won't vote for The Other Clinton. One said that she waited her entire life to vote for a woman for president but that The Other Clinton was the wrong one to vote for.

As for Christy, I'm not sure his health can take a presidential run, but I admire him for saying that he personally wasn't ready, rather than making up some random other BSish reason for not running. I like self-depreciation more than making up sh!t. It's refreshing.

hawaii 5-0
12/26/2011, 06:48 PM
I think Mitt might ask Christy to run as VP. It's a lot of East Coast Republicanism but he's pretty well liked by most Conservatives.


OK, my last comment off topic.

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badger
12/26/2011, 07:00 PM
OK, let me lead us back on the topic of Newt.

Why the eff do I care about the fact that Newt has been married three times and because infidelity (which he admitted to) was usually the reason why his marriages didn't last? Shouldn't his extension political experience, including Speaker of the House (third in line for presidency behind veep, right?) and being one of the leaders of the Contract with America, something that I was actually all enthusiastic about for its party-uniting and voter-friendly ideas.

ictsooner7
12/26/2011, 09:56 PM
OK, let me lead us back on the topic of Newt.

Why the eff do I care about the fact that Newt has been married three times and because infidelity (which he admitted to) was usually the reason why his marriages didn't last? Shouldn't his extension political experience, including Speaker of the House (third in line for presidency behind veep, right?) and being one of the leaders of the Contract with America, something that I was actually all enthusiastic about for its party-uniting and voter-friendly ideas.


Probably because of this article below, the guy is just a POS. He is a habitual lair who now has his own kids lying for him. What a piece of work.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/26/politics/gingrich-divorce-file/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Newly recovered court files cast doubt on Gingrich version of first divorce

Carrollton, Georgia (CNN) -- Newt Gingrich claims that it was his first wife, not Gingrich himself, who wanted their divorce in 1980, but court documents obtained by CNN appear to show otherwise.

The Republican presidential candidate, now in his third marriage, has been peppered with attacks and questions about his divorce from Jackie Gingrich for the past three decades.

Questions about his past -- and what that past tells voters about his personal behavior -- have re-emerged as he has returned to the political scene 13 years after he resigned as speaker of the House.

A new defense that has arisen as Gingrich entered the presidential race this year is the insistence that she, not he, wanted the divorce.

On the "Answering the attacks" page of his campaign website, Newt.org, which "(Sets) the Record Straight: Newt's Positions on the Issues and His Record," the campaign discusses Gingrich's first divorce.

"It was (Jackie Gingrich) that requested the divorce, not Newt," the campaign website said, referring readers to an online column written by Gingrich's youngest daughter, Jackie Gingrich Cushman, last May.

Cushman, 13 when her parents separated in 1980, was rebutting persistent rumors that her father served divorce papers on her mother the day after cancer surgery. In the column, Cushman writes that papers were never served in the hospital, and that her mother did not actually have cancer.

Gingrich first wife didn't want divorce "My mother and father were already in the process of getting a divorce, which she requested," Cushman wrote.

Gingrich and Perry fail to make Virginia ballot After initially being told that the divorce documents were sealed, CNN on Thursday obtained the folder containing the filings in the divorce, which had been stashed away for years in a Carroll County, Georgia, court clerk's drawer. Retired clerk Kenneth Skinner told CNN his deputy took Gingrich's file out of the public records room around 1994, "when he (Gingrich) became the center of attention," because Skinner feared tampering and theft.

CNN Red Chair Interview: Newt Gingrich "During these years, you had to make sure those papers were there," Skinner said. "People could go in those files and get things out. We didn't have enough security to control it."

Current Carroll County Clerk of Court Alan Lee said he called the retired deputy clerk, who told him where to find the papers, after CNN began looking for them last week.

The documents, and interviews with people close to the couple at the time, contradict the Gingrich claim about who wanted the divorce.

Newt Gingrich filed a divorce complaint on July 14, 1980, in Carroll County, saying that "the marriage of the parties is irretriebably (sic) broken."



Navarette: Is Gingrich's fidelity pledge enough? Jackie Battley Gingrich, the congressman's wife and the mother of Jackie Gingrich Cushman, responded by asking the judge to reject her husband's filing.

"Defendant shows that she has adequate and ample grounds for divorce, but that she does not desire one at this time," her petition said.

"Although defendant does not admit that this marriage is irretrievably broken, defendant has been hopeful that an arrangement for temporary support of defendant and the two minor daughters of the parties could be mutually agreed upon without the intervention of this court," her petition said. "All efforts to date have been unsuccessful."

When CNN presented the information found in the divorce file to the Gingrich campaign, its spokesman stood by the contention that it was Gingrich's ex-wife who asked for the divorce in 1980.

"Carroll County Georgia court documents accurately show Newt Gingrich filed for a divorce from his wife Jackie Battley, but it was Jackie Battley who requested the divorce," spokesman R.C. Hammond said in an e-mail to CNN Saturday. "Gingrich, her husband, obtained legal counsel and filed the divorce papers initiating the legal proceedings."

"It was the same legal proceedings that determined and set the amounts of payments Gingrich would provide to support his two daughters," Hammond said.

Atlanta divorce lawyer Jim Peterson, who was not involved in the Gingrich proceedings, said the wife's divorce filings make it "pretty plain" that she did not want the divorce.

"She obviously didn't want the divorce, on the face of the pleadings," Peterson said.

One reason a defendant in a divorce would deny it was irretrievably broken would be "to make you stay in the marriage and put the screws to you to make it as difficult as they possibly can," Peterson added.

Jackie Gingrich, who has rarely spoken to the media about the divorce, declined CNN's request for an interview. A friend said that Jackie Gingrich did not want to comment out of concern for her daughters and grandchildren.

In a brief interview in 1985, she told the Washington Post: "He can say that we had been talking about it for 10 years, but the truth is that it came as a complete surprise."

Leonard H. "Kip" Carter, a former close Gingrich friend, backed the contention that it was Newt Gingrich who wanted the divorce.

"He (Gingrich) said, 'You know and I know that she's not young enough or pretty enough to be the wife of a president,' " Carter, who now lives in South Carolina, told CNN recently, relating the conversation he had with Gingrich the day Gingrich revealed he was filing for divorce. Carter served as treasurer of Gingrich's first congressional campaigns.

Carter, who was a fellow history professor when Gingrich taught at West Georgia College in Carrollton, said he broke off his friendship with Newt Gingrich because of the congressman's treatment of his wife during the divorce.

Asked in an e-mail whether that conversation in 1980 occurred the way that Carter recounted, Gingrich spokesman Hammond did not respond.

Gerald Johnson, a Georgia state legislator at the time who also was in Gingrich's Sunday school class, said it was his memory that Jackie Gingrich did not want a divorce. Johnson laughed when told the presidential campaign is now saying she requested the divorce, calling that "surprising."

When Gingrich filed for divorce, he was already seeing a 28-year-old congressional aide, whom he married six months after his divorce was final in 1981. The second wife, Marianne Ginther Gingrich, told Esquire magazine last year that Gingrich even introduced her to his parents in the summer of 1980, the same time he filed for divorce.

"They were thrilled because they hadn't wanted Newt to marry (Jackie Battley)," she told Esquire.

Gingrich divorced Marianne Gingrich 19 years later, after an affair with a younger congressional aide whom he married soon after his divorce. The third wife, Callista Bisek Gingrich, is now a major figure in his presidential campaign.

Jackie Gingrich Cushman wrote in May that she and her older sister, Kathy Gingrich Lubbers, "will not answer additional questions or make additional comments regarding this meaningless incident." Both sisters are actively involved in Gingrich's campaign for the Republican nomination.

The court documents obtained by CNN also shed light on the issue of the first-term congressman's record of offering support for Jackie Gingrich and the two girls during the separation and after the divorce.

The same court filing in which Jackie Gingrich told the judge she did not want the divorce also accused Gingrich of failing to provide enough money for her and her two then-teenaged daughters to live on during their separation. Kathy was 17 at the time.

"Despite repeated notice to plaintiff and requests by defendant, plaintiff has failed and refused to voluntarily provide reasonable support sufficient to include payment of usual and normal living expenses, including drugs, water, sewage, garbage, gas, electric and telephone service for defendant and the minor children," she said in court documents. "As a result, many of such accounts are two or three months past due with notices of intent to cut off service and gas and electricity."

When Jackie Gingrich and her daughters moved from their other home in Fairfax, Virginia, back to their house in Carrollton, Georgia, there were "no lights, no heat, no water, no food in the home," former Gingrich friend and academic colleague Carter said.

Carter, who helped collect donations for the family, said Gingrich "wouldn't give them a dime" in the first months of the separation.

"We had a food drive at First Baptist Church," Carter said. "The deacons went down and stocked her pantry."

Johnson, the former state legislator who was in Gingrich's Sunday school class, said when the church's minister asked him to donate money, he gave $100 to the fund.

A judge ordered Gingrich to appear in court a week after his wife filed her complaint. The result was a ruling that he bring the utility bills up to date and begin paying his wife $700 a month in temporary support until the case was settled.

Both sides reached an agreement three months later, avoiding the jury trial that Jackie Gingrich was demanding.

In 1994, Gingrich agreed to increase his alimony payments by $350 to $1,650 a month. In exchange, Jackie Gingrich waived her right to ask for future increases if her ex-husband's income increased. Gingrich is still paying alimony.

"When asked, Gingrich has admitted he has not led a perfect life and has at times had to go to God for forgiveness," Hammond said. "Over 30 years later, the family has long put these matters behind them."

Johnson, who later challenged Gingrich in the 1984 congressional race, said the divorce and controversy over the support payments caused a lot of negative feelings against Gingrich in his home county.

"I think the thing that bothered people most was everybody in Carrollton knew how much Jackie sacrificed to get Newt elected," Johnson said.

CNN asked Gingrich spokesman Hammond in an e-mail about the allegation made by Jackie Gingrich in her October 1980 court filing that Gingrich was not supporting his family during this period, but the statement the campaign released did not directly address that question.

Still, Johnson said there should be forgiveness and he would like to see Gingrich win the White House.

"Newt is the smartest candidate in the field this year and he would bring an intelligence to the White House that hasn't been there in quite a while," Johnson said.

soonercoop1
12/27/2011, 08:28 AM
Back on topic, I promise this isn't Republican angst or anything, since I have already said that I may even vote for Obama and no true Republican ever would, hehe, but here goes:

Never have I seen such an assembly of crappy candidates from top to bottom from one party where absolutely no candidate seems to have the charisma, or the credentials, or the military background, or the political allies, or anything worth anything in a political election or to serve in the Oval Office, than this bunch of Republicans.

Even in 2008, the top Democratic candidates at least had name recognition (Clinton) or charisma (Obama), even if they had minimal executive experience.

Perhaps this is the revisionist history in me thinking, but the earliest election I can remember was the 1988 one (I would have been one year old in 1984). George HW Bush had tons of foreign policy experience and was also the sitting vice president. Perfect. His primary opponent was the sitting governor of Massachusetts at the time (Dukakis) so he could be seen as a viable candidate also, even if he didn't win.

In 1992, you had an incumbent president versus a longtime governor of Arkansas. Fine. (even if the thought of Clinton chasing anything female creeps me out to this day).

In 1996, you had a longtime Senate leader in Bob Dole against a sitting president.

In 2000, you had someone with name recognition and governor of Texas (George W. Bush) against the sitting vice president (who also had a bit of nepotism on his side, like Bush, yes).

In 2004, you had W. against a prominent senator, and perhaps even a better candidate that unfortunately Dems couldn't get nominated after his early momentum, Howard Dean.

I would totally vote for John McCain again if he ran again... but he probably is getting too old for this presidential campaigning crap, heh. He was unquestionably a qualified candidate, a POW veteran and longtime Senate leader.

And now... 2012. Let's run them down, shall we?

Rick Perry, the corrupt governor of Texas that even his own alma mater Yell Leader school, Texas A&M, hates.

Newt Gingrich, the thrice married... I'm just going to stop there. I loved the idea of the Contract with America. Speaker of the House is a good prerequisite, but I can't get past that fact of being married three times, probably since I'm a girl. Ugggggggh

I am probably gonna end up voting for Mitt Romney, since I like what he did with the 2002 Olympics. You hear about those events and they're usually money pits that bleed the area/country dry for decades, but everything I've read indicates that the Olympics were actually a benefit to the Salt Lake City area and continue to be to this day, from continued mass transit options to not being buried in debt. I don't care that he's Mormon. Aside from the polygamous ones, they seem to be what you'd love to see in your fellow Christians: Hard working, devoted to family, educated, involved in the community and not overly judgmental of fellow Christians and non-Christians alike.

just my two cents. it is probably a stupid thing to get hung up over in, but I'm not voting for Newt.

I agree as I am also tired of voting for the lesser of two evils...we continue to get the bums that the media and parties choose for us...not the other way around...voting really hasn't fixed our mess has it...seems to only prolong it and make it worse...if Romney is the nominee Obama wins a second term...Newt is questionable at best...

AlboSooner
12/27/2011, 09:03 PM
I think this election goes to BHO. I don't think either Mitt nor Newt can beat him. Although Obama would have a tougher time beating Newt G. Romney just doesn't have "it"

Now, Christie I would vote for, but the GOP base will not like him once his stances on issues become more public. These Northeast Republicans are not conservative enough for the red state conservatives. Christie is a better Romney. So Palin will get the nomination, and maybe Clinton decides to give it go at the age of 69. Palin vs. Clinton would be interesting, imo.

okie52
12/27/2011, 10:40 PM
I think this election goes to BHO. I don't think either Mitt nor Newt can beat him. Although Obama would have a tougher time beating Newt G. Romney just doesn't have "it"

Now, Christie I would vote for, but the GOP base will not like him once his stances on issues become more public. These Northeast Republicans are not conservative enough for the red state conservatives. Christie is a better Romney. So Palin will get the nomination, and maybe Clinton decides to give it go at the age of 69. Palin vs. Clinton would be interesting, imo.

So you are saying you will vote for Obama?

soonercoop1
12/28/2011, 07:58 PM
I think Mitt might ask Christy to run as VP. It's a lot of East Coast Republicanism but he's pretty well liked by most Conservatives.


OK, my last comment off topic.

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He's pretty well liked by all the RINOs in the NE...must get all the leadership back to the south and west and away from the NE/Midwest...nothing will really change until that happens...

badger
12/30/2011, 05:08 PM
Oh my goodness... Newt pulled a Hillary:

Link (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57350250-503544/newt-gingrich-cries-when-asked-about-his-mom/)

Yes, he cried in public.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/12/30/Gingrich_136273298_244x183.jpg

I know that politicians are human and have feelings, but for some reason, I just don't trust the tears as much when they're less than one week from the Iowa Caucus, much like I couldn't believe Hillary shed a few when asked about how hard it's been campaigning right before New Hampshire.

Of course... Hillary won New Hampshire.

Stay tuned... or go place a few vCash on your new favorite in the vBookie event