it factor. vs. no "it" factor

[SoonerinSouthlake]

josh= it
Nate = not it
Jason = It
Paul = not it ( but exempt because is
changes he made)
Sam = it
Landry = not it

all had great at attributes and we're great athletes.

don't tell me about Landry breaking all the records. The "it" factor is like pornography...in other words I can't define it but I know what it is when I see it. Landry never had it

take heart all, were due quarterback

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

How does Nate get a "Not it" when the only thing that kept us out of the MNC in 2002 was our defense?

[SoonerinSouthlake]

How does Nate get a "Not it" when the only thing that kept us out of the MNC in 2002 was our defense?

wasn't that the year we had zero offensive yards rushing against Oklahoma State at home?

like I said, I cannot explain it, but I know it when I see it. I know a lot of people on this board feels the same way about Nate. Although he like all of the others are great athletes.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

wasn't that the year we had zero offensive yards rushing against Oklahoma State at home?

like I said, I cannot explain it, but I know it when I see it. I know a lot of people on this board feels the same way about Nate. Although he like all of the others are great athletes.

No that was 2001 when he played with a broken collarbone. Oh and Mangino's game plan was to run the QB THE ENTIRE GAME. I'm also fairly sure that Nate won more bowl games than any other QB you have listed there.

[SoonerinSouthlake]

No that was 2001 when he played with a broken collarbone. Oh and Mangino's game plan was to run the QB THE ENTIRE GAME. I'm also fairly sure that Nate won more bowl games than any other QB you have listed there.

Nate is a tough one. I agree. Great Arm. Great Athlete. IM JUST SAYING there is a difference between a QB who can WILL and LEAD his team to victory, while others with as good or better skills cannot. IMHO Nate didnt have it despite clearly having great gifts.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Nate is a tough one. I agree. Great Arm. Great Athlete. IM JUST SAYING there is a difference between a QB who can WILL and LEAD his team to victory, while others with as good or better skills cannot. IMHO Nate didnt have it despite clearly having great gifts.

Once again, I'm missing your criteria. All of those guys had losses. Josh had 5 in 2 years. JW had 4. Hybl had 3. Bradford had 7 (4 if you discount the games he didn't finish which also lowers JWs by 1).

[SoonerDood]

How does Nate get a "Not it" when the only thing that kept us out of the MNC in 2002 was Mike Stoops' defense?
fixed.

[TitoMorelli]

Nate is a tough one. I agree. Great Arm. Great Athlete. IM JUST SAYING there is a difference between a QB who can WILL and LEAD his team to victory, while others with as good or better skills cannot. IMHO Nate didnt have it despite clearly having great gifts.

Agreed. LJ reminds me of Nate in several ways - the shuffling of the feet, putting the ball where a receiver has to stop or reach back to catch it instead of hitting him in stride. Hybl also seemed to grow more afraid to throw deep the longer he played. The offense became predictable and less productive than imo it should have been. He turned in one of gutsiest performances of any Sooner in the school's history when K-State sent the house at him every down his junior year. I'm not sure though, that he was ever the same after that.

Maybe defensive duds were most directly responsible for the losses, but a more effective offense may still have compensated.

PT didn't have it physically but he rose to the occasion when his squad faced some of their toughest days of the past decade. I have nothing but admiration for the way he agreed to step back in and made the best of the Bomar fiasco. He and Allen Patrick were real studs when the team needed them, and filled big pairs of shoes with great efforts. Not sure if this team has that kind of leadership anywhere.

[toast]

I'm guessing "it" means having taken the team to a mnc game. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at, but I like to have guys on the team who don't like to lose at anything and will continue to fight. I think Josh had that mindset the best at the qb position.

[SoonerinSouthlake]

Once Again..The "it" factor is like pornography... I can't define it but I know what it is when I see it. Its not black and white. Its a confidence factor. I cant bullet point my criteria for you. If stats would do it...they would have a stat named after it instead of being called the "it factor" .... I didnt make "it" up

I think (knowing full well that you will debate this) that had Jason White played in the game vs OK State game in Norman in 2002 that we'd have won that game. My evidence? Go to the Texas Game, Kansas Game and Nebraska Game that same year. In each game: 1st half Hybl--solid work, few mistakes, good throws....but sluggish offense. 2nd Half...Jason White comes in and starts MAKING PLAYS. He turns bad situations into good ones...the team grows in confidence...the crowd grows in confidence....then NEBRASKA. Jason hurts his first knee. The team starts to get sluggish on offense....Nate falls down on a double reverse that would have been an easy TD (i.e. he DOESNT MAKE PLAYS)...team loses its "swagger"

Perhaps the fact that I get it suggests that I have "it" and you dont ;-)

[tulsaoilerfan]

Once Again..The "it" factor is like pornography... I can't define it but I know what it is when I see it. Its not black and white. Its a confidence factor. I cant bullet point my criteria for you. If stats would do it...they would have a stat named after it instead of being called the "it factor" .... I didnt make "it" up

I think (knowing full well that you will debate this) that had Jason White played in the game vs OK State game in Norman in 2002 that we'd have won that game. My evidence? Go to the Texas Game, Kansas Game and Nebraska Game that same year. In each game: 1st half Hybl--solid work, few mistakes, good throws....but sluggish offense. 2nd Half...Jason White comes in and starts MAKING PLAYS. He turns bad situations into good ones...the team grows in confidence...the crowd grows in confidence....then NEBRASKA. Jason hurts his first knee. The team starts to get sluggish on offense....Nate falls down on a double reverse that would have been an easy TD (i.e. he DOESNT MAKE PLAYS)...team loses its "swagger"

Perhaps the fact that I get it suggests that I have "it" and you dont ;-) That was actually 2001 lol

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Once Again..The "it" factor is like pornography... I can't define it but I know what it is when I see it. Its not black and white. Its a confidence factor. I cant bullet point my criteria for you. If stats would do it...they would have a stat named after it instead of being called the "it factor" .... I didnt make "it" up

I think (knowing full well that you will debate this) that had Jason White played in the game vs OK State game in Norman in 2002 that we'd have won that game. My evidence? Go to the Texas Game, Kansas Game and Nebraska Game that same year. In each game: 1st half Hybl--solid work, few mistakes, good throws....but sluggish offense. 2nd Half...Jason White comes in and starts MAKING PLAYS. He turns bad situations into good ones...the team grows in confidence...the crowd grows in confidence....then NEBRASKA. Jason hurts his first knee. The team starts to get sluggish on offense....Nate falls down on a double reverse that would have been an easy TD (i.e. he DOESNT MAKE PLAYS)...team loses its "swagger"

Perhaps the fact that I get it suggests that I have "it" and you dont ;-)

So, as evidence that Nate doesn't have "it" you list 3 games where he played with a broken collarbone? I've never had one, but a buddy of mine couldn't believe the guy could get his hand over his head much less throw a football. Every one of Mike Leach's QBs in that 1999 recruiting class had "it". None of Chuck Long's QBs had "it". I have no idea who to give credit for bradford too as his recruiting was more of a "We have Bomar, no one else will sign" thing.

[TitoMorelli]

Except that the offense also was sluggish in 2002, when his collarbone was healed.

[SoonerinSouthlake]

Except that the offense also was sluggish in 2002, when his collarbone was healed.
thank you

[Blue]

This thread does not have "it".

No offense OP, it just didn't flow for me.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Except that the offense also was sluggish in 2002, when his collarbone was healed.

We were #5 in scoring offense that year.

[TitoMorelli]

May well have been #1 in scoring with a quarterback that had the "it" factor.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

May well have been #1 in scoring with a quarterback that had the "it" factor.

That wasn't the argument, you said the offense wasn't very good. Your point was refuted. It may not have been an exciting offense, but it did what it needed to do -> put points on the board.

[TitoMorelli]

I initially said that the offense was predictable and less productive, and I stand by that. And anyone who followed Sooner football back then could see that the offense under White clicked in ways that it didn't manage to under Hybl.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

I initially said that the offense was predictable and less productive, and I stand by that. And anyone who followed Sooner football back then could see that the offense under White clicked in ways that it didn't manage to under Hybl.

Well yes, because White could throw over the middle and Hybl couldn't. But Hybl was just as effective in the W column as White was and more effective in Bowl games because he didn't turn the ball over (Texas games not so much).

[TitoMorelli]

Maybe he was more effective in bowl games because he didn't face LSU in New Orleans while at half-speed, or an incredibly talented and focused USC in the Orange Bowl. He was QB in perhaps the most lackluster offensive bowl performance in school history when we faced Arkansas. He had a great farewell game the following year against an outmatched and coach-less Washington State. In fact he had an awesome game in the Rose Bowl, which leads to the question of why he couldn't open up and fling the ball like that throughout that season.

And I think Hybl could have thrown over the middle, at least when healthy. It seems he just became afraid to take the chance somewhere along the way.

I appreciate your arguments, and as I said earlier I admire him for the way he stood in there against KSU, as well as the way he stepped back in when White went down. But I still think he, and the offense as a result, could have been significantly better.

[TUSooner]

If Tim Tebow has all the "intangibles" but none of the "tangibles" of a QB;
then I suggest LJ has all the tangibles and none of the intangibles -
which makes him like countless good but not great college QBs. Thanks to our offensive style and the tangibles, he's got smoking hot numbers against average opponenets, and makes some pretty throws. But when he's off, he's way off, and good defenses put him off.
Listen - I am talking about LJ strictly as a QB, not bashing him as a person, OK?

To get on point: LJ is a "not it."