why do people get defensive on here when someone questions a coaches ability?

[oumartin]

Certainly there have been some remarks that are out there but isnt' this a place to come and discuss our favorite football team? Why must those in bed with the coaches rush to close threads, berate posters, and seemingly just act like children when someone questions the ability of a coach?

I'm not trying to stir the pot but feel it's kinda silly to not allow people an outlet to vent and discuss without fear of being ran off or having their thread closed. Silly I say!!

[En_Fuego]

-yB7J7DYi6M

[OUNASH]

I agree, Not everone is a dumba22 as some would have you to believe. I think most of this is venting, which is good for the soul. I hope most people dont take themselves to seriously. It is only a game.

[En_Fuego]

"It's not the X's and O's but the Jimmy's and Joe's"

Maybe we don't have very many Jimmy's and Joe's

[Blue]

We have our meltdown after the game and the mods have their overreaction mini meltdown afterwards. Are you new here? ;)

[tulsaoilerfan]

Quit stirring the pot martin ;)

[oumartin]

So, we haven't had good jimmy and joes in the secondary for a decade?

[tulsaoilerfan]

So, we haven't had good jimmy and joes in the secondary for a decade? evidently not

[PhiDeltBeers]

Oops, just made a thread about this. At least I'm not the only one noticing it. It's outa control. We shoould rename this site to sunshinepumperfans.com.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

So, we haven't had good jimmy and joes in the secondary for a decade?

This isn't the problem. Being critical of coaches isn't the problem. The problem is that in the same post, they are critical of the coaches and then want to move to a defense where we have absolutely not had the jimmy and the joes for a decade.

Heck wanting a coach fired isn't a problem, but put up some replacement candidates so that we can compare/contrast what we have now vs them. This is the difference between having a discussion and trolling.

[oumartin]

can't you google it up for me?

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

And adding to this, remember that no coach is going to be great at everything. They are going to suffer in certain areas whether that be evaluation, recruiting, technique training, position philosophy, or in game coaching. It was like when everyone wanted Chuck Long fired and the only thing they could come up with was playcalling. Yet in our system, we have no idea which of our 2 coordinators were calling the plays or whether someone else interjected something that caused a certain series of calls (DCs saying they needed some time to implement some adjustments or whatever).

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

can't you google it up for me?

I work at Microsoft, I have to use Bing.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Oops, just made a thread about this. At least I'm not the only one noticing it. It's outa control. We shoould rename this site to sunshinepumperfans.com.

Wow, I'm a sunshine pumper now? Thats a first in the last dodecade on this board.

[Blue]

Don't give up 38 points. Don't give up a bazillion yards. Pretty cut and dry. And in this day and age a transition would take a season.

[C&CDean]

Oops, just made a thread about this. At least I'm not the only one noticing it. It's outa control. We shoould rename this site to sunshinepumperfans.com.

No, we should name it Aggys who post on Sooner sites. amyrite?

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Don't give up 38 points. Don't give up a bazillion yards. Pretty cut and dry. And in this day and age a transition would take a season.

Its hard to tell. Remember, that we transitioned from a man press to a tampa 2 in one year. However, we had a ton of guys that fit that system. Based on what we have on campus, I think our options are limited for a smooth transition. So I'd say 1-3 years for a Man Press type defense and maybe immediately for a Zone type of system.

[oumartin]

I'm just kinda curious what OU spent their off week doing? Baylor didn't do anything different than they did all year. If you can't get into your players mind not to bite on play action then that kid doesn't need to be playing. You can't tell me there isn't a kid on that team that doesn't have the sense to not bite over and over and over.

Something is getting lost, it's not getting from teacher to student.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

I'm just kinda curious what OU spent their off week doing? Baylor didn't do anything different than they did all year. If you can't get into your players mind not to bite on play action then that kid doesn't need to be playing. You can't tell me there isn't a kid on that team that doesn't have the sense to not bite over and over and over.

Something is getting lost, it's not getting from teacher to student.

Think about the type of breakdowns we had, most were centered on one single player that has only been victimized a couple of time this year. Do you not see how this might have come out of the blue?

[C&CDean]

I'm just kinda curious what OU spent their off week doing? Baylor didn't do anything different than they did all year. If you can't get into your players mind not to bite on play action then that kid doesn't need to be playing. You can't tell me there isn't a kid on that team that doesn't have the sense to not bite over and over and over.

Something is getting lost, it's not getting from teacher to student.

marty,

Focus on anal pron. Something you know something about. Leave the football to the football folks and the guys you film performing the pron. Thanks in advance.

[Blue]

So Texas is ranked 10th in Total Defense this year. What do they run? And is that bc they played some cupcakes OOC?

The next Big 12 team on the list is OU at # 62. Maybe we are just damned if we do damned if we dont in this WAC nightmare of a conference.

[oumartin]

Think about the type of breakdowns we had, most were centered on one single player that has only been victimized a couple of time this year. Do you not see how this might have come out of the blue?

now, I don't have every play broken down like I am sure you do for the year but what I saw was a guy consistantly being burnt because he was being sucked toward the line on play action. I'd let him watch from the sideline for a few plays. it's not like the next guy in line is gonna fair any worse.

Also, biting on play action has been a problem since stoops took over this program.

[OU_Sooners75]

This isn't the problem. Being critical of coaches isn't the problem. The problem is that in the same post, they are critical of the coaches and then want to move to a defense where we have absolutely not had the jimmy and the joes for a decade.

Heck wanting a coach fired isn't a problem, but put up some replacement candidates so that we can compare/contrast what we have now vs them. This is the difference between having a discussion and trolling.

Willie Martinez....replacement Mike Stoops (also make co-dc)
James Patton....replacement Mark Mangino
Bobby Jack Wright....give DE duties to Jackie Shipp...find a full time Special Teams coach...not sure who though.

[okiedokie]

marty,

Focus on anal pron. Something you know something about. Leave the football to the football folks and the guys you film performing the pron. Thanks in advance.

And pls leave the comedy to the comedian

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Willie Martinez....replacement Mike Stoops (also make co-dc)
James Patton....replacement Mark Mangino
Bobby Jack Wright....give DE duties to Jackie Shipp...find a full time Special Teams coach...not sure who though.

So you are going to add 2 guys who were absolutely attrocious with attrition while they were here and send the ONLY guy who has given us quality talent at a position packing?

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

now, I don't have every play broken down like I am sure you do for the year but what I saw was a guy consistantly being burnt because he was being sucked toward the line on play action. I'd let him watch from the sideline for a few plays. it's not like the next guy in line is gonna fair any worse.

Also, biting on play action has been a problem since stoops took over this program.

You say that, but Baylor didn't score on every possession in the game so yes it could have been worse. Remember that Proctor (the replacement) got beat at the end for the final TD.

[C&CDean]

God bless you jkm. God bless you.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Willie Martinez....replacement Mike Stoops (also make co-dc)
James Patton....replacement Mark Mangino
Bobby Jack Wright....give DE duties to Jackie Shipp...find a full time Special Teams coach...not sure who though.

And for the record, I proposed getting rid of Patton and bringing in Mike Stoops as a co-dc without primary responsibility for the DBs (giving him responsibility for special teams would work i spose).

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

God bless you jkm. God bless you.

One day people will have discussions instead of rants. One day.

[C&CDean]

One day people will have discussions instead of rants. One day.

We can only hope. And maybe, just maybe they'll keep the discussions in say maybe 4-5 threads instead of 100?

Nah, wtf am I thinking?

[wishbonesooner]

The Sooners haven't been ready to play 3 times this year, maybe 4. Who else can be responsible but the staff? Seriously.

[MamaMia]

Losing 2, or even 3 games a year, can be done with a lot less money.

[BoulderSooner79]

Losing 2, or even 3 games a year, can be done with a lot less money.

I dunno. The horns are up to 4 and spend even more.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Losing 2, or even 3 games a year, can be done with a lot less money.

I don't understand where the arguments about money come in, our AD is in the black.

[agoo758]

And pls leave the comedy to the comedian

No need to mind a guy where his rebuttal to a football argument is "go do anal porn". He's already made himself look stupid.

[Seamus]

marty,

Focus on anal pron. Something you know something about. Leave the football to the football folks and the guys you film performing the pron. Thanks in advance.

Seventh-grade troll is seventh-grade.

[soonerhubs]

As long as the trains are running on time,
There's no need to worry when the poem doesn't rhyme.

[Sooner in Tampa]

I don't understand where the arguments about money come in, our AD is in the black.
I expect a return on a $5M dollar yr investment, if we must pay our coaches like royalty...then there damn sure outta be royal results

[Dale Ellis]

No, we should name it Aggys who post on Sooner sites. amyrite?

So if we don't agree with everything the coaches do, we're aggies?

[Curly Bill]

So if we don't agree with everything the coaches do, we're aggies?

Well, either that or bandwagon fans. (lame)

[Ton Loc]

So if we don't agree with everything the coaches do, we're aggies?

No, if you are constantly complaining and at the same time it is clear that you have no idea what you're talking about while also managing not to add anything to a conversation and for some reason you make those same repititive bitchy comments in thread after thread ---> that makes you an aggie.

See, that was easy.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

I don't mind the complaining, but I don't see the need for every single poster to start a thread about the same subject with the same thoughts in every one of them.

[Ton Loc]

I don't mind the complaining, but I don't see the need for every single poster to start a thread about the same subject with the same thoughts in every one of them.

If only they could keep those comments inside 2-3 threads.

[Dale Ellis]

No, if you are constantly complaining and at the same time it is clear that you have no idea what you're talking about while also managing not to add anything to a conversation and for some reason you make those same repititive bitchy comments in thread after thread ---> that makes you an aggie.

See, that was easy.

I don't know a damn thing about coaching football. I could not game plan nor would I have any idea how to run a practice. I can however say with 100% certainty that when a defense gives up 1000 yards of offense and 86 points, in two games, there's a problem, and that problem needs to be addressed by the coaching staff.

I would imagine that you don't know jack chit about coaching football, nor could you game plan or run a practice. The difference is that you apparently don't have the ability to see a train wreck and recognize you've just seen a train wreck.

To call life long OU fans aggies, because we're upset that we can't field a defense that can tackle, cover or get in position to make a play, is ignorant.

See, that was easy.

[Dale Ellis]

If only they could keep those comments inside 2-3 threads.

Then the admin need to start an official "bitch about the OU loss" thread.

[C&CDean]

I don't know a damn thing about coaching football. I could not game plan nor would I have any idea how to run a practice. I can however say with 100% certainty that when a defense gives up 1000 yards of offense and 86 points, in two games, there's a problem, and that problem needs to be addressed by the coaching staff.

I would imagine that you don't know jack chit about coaching football, nor could you game plan or run a practice. The difference is that you apparently don't have the ability to see a train wreck and recognize you've just seen a train wreck.

To call life long OU fans aggies, because we're upset that we can't field a defense that can tackle, cover or get in position to make a play, is ignorant.

See, that was easy.

You obviously missed the whole point here (you and several others). Why do y'all have to continuously start new threads about the same topic? We allow you to vent. Hell we allow you to vent in a half-dozen threads about the same topic. If people keep starting new threads about "fire x coach, our defense sucks balls, etc." then they're gonna get deleted and the starter of said thread will get castigated. Why? Cause they're acting like an aggy.

Also, if the same poster keeps going on and on with "fire X coach" without having a clue about a solution, or even if in fact it was/is coaching that's the issue they too will have some problems.

What most of the whiners/bitchers who constantly throw the "sunshine pumping kool aid drinker" bull**** out there don't understand is that the sensible, less obnoxious, less clueless folks are just as frustrated, unhappy as you are. We're just mature/wise enough to know that making a complete and utter idiot out of yourself by acting like an aggy doesn't fix a damn thing. It just causes more problems.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

What most of the whiners/bitchers who constantly throw the "sunshine pumping kool aid drinker" bull**** out there don't understand is that the sensible, less obnoxious, less clueless folks are just as frustrated, unhappy as you are. We're just mature/wise enough to know that making a complete and utter idiot out of yourself by acting like an aggy doesn't fix a damn thing. It just causes more problems.

Boom goes the dynamite. Well said.

[tulsaoilerfan]

You obviously missed the whole point here (you and several others). Why do y'all have to continuously start new threads about the same topic? We allow you to vent. Hell we allow you to vent in a half-dozen threads about the same topic. If people keep starting new threads about "fire x coach, our defense sucks balls, etc." then they're gonna get deleted and the starter of said thread will get castigated. Why? Cause they're acting like an aggy.

Also, if the same poster keeps going on and on with "fire X coach" without having a clue about a solution, or even if in fact it was/is coaching that's the issue they too will have some problems.

What most of the whiners/bitchers who constantly throw the "sunshine pumping kool aid drinker" bull**** out there don't understand is that the sensible, less obnoxious, less clueless folks are just as frustrated, unhappy as you are. We're just mature/wise enough to know that making a complete and utter idiot out of yourself by acting like an aggy doesn't fix a damn thing. It just causes more problems.

Well said Dean

[Curly Bill]

I'd be curious to know what problems have REALLY been caused by people raising some hell on here about X member of coaching staff, etc.. Is BV sleeping less at night because of someone on here pointing out yet another failure by him? Is Bob distraught to the point he's going to give some of his money back? Other than get on the nerves of the Kool Aid drinking sunshine pumpers, what problems have arisen from this meltdown?

And yeah, I get the whole 1,000 threads on the same topic dealio, but is there something else I'm missing from a board admin aspect that's such a problem?

[Dale Ellis]

making a complete and utter idiot out of yourself by acting like an aggy doesn't fix a damn thing
Neither does keeping your mouth shut, agreed?
Also, is the the purpose of this board is to "fix a damn thing"?

Why don't you start a "fans complaints" forum. Then the fans who want to bitch and act like "aggies" can cry to their hearts content and the fans that want to act like they're better fans because they choose to stick their heads in the sand and make believe everything's hunky dory, can stay TFO, and save themselves the mental anguish of reading through all the aggie tripe.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Another thing that gets to me a little also is the people that just show up whenever things go wrong...Not here for victories, good games played, just show up to say "Fire X" whenever things go wrong. For me, those posters are more likely to get the lock first because it's always the same schtick without solutions...

[Dale Ellis]

I'd be curious to know what problems have REALLY been caused by people raising some hell on here about X member of coaching staff, etc.. Is BV sleeping less at night because of someone on here pointing out yet another failure by him? Is Bob distraught to the point he's going to give some of his money back? Other than get on the nerves of the Kool Aid drinking sunshine pumpers, what problems have arisen from this meltdown?



And yeah, I get the whole 1,000 threads on the same topic dealio, but is there something else I'm missing from a board admin aspect that's such a problem?

The ones who run this site do not agree with your opinion, so you must be silenced, put down, made fun of, called out, publicly spanked etc.

[tulsaoilerfan]

Another thing that gets to me a little also is the people that just show up whenever things go wrong...Not here for victories, good games played, just show up to say "Fire X" whenever things go wrong. For me, those posters are more likely to get the lock first because it's always the same schtick without solutions...

I don't think many of us, probably no more than a handful, would even have a clue how to fix the issues on the defensive side of the ball; shouldn't that be up to the coaches anyway? It's easy to spot a problem but obviously hard to fix it

[Dale Ellis]

double post, my bad.

[Curly Bill]

Oh no, not another separate forum. Next thing ya know we'll have a Kool Aid Drinkers Forum, a BV Sucks Forum, A Bob is God Forum... etc...etc...

[SoonerAtKU]

Nope, it's just annoying, Bill. That's all.

I think the root of it is a combination of arrogance plus willful ignorance. You have comments like:

"I don't know a damn thing about coaching football. I could not game plan nor would I have any idea how to run a practice. I can however say with 100% certainty that when a defense gives up 1000 yards of offense and 86 points, in two games, there's a problem, and that problem needs to be addressed by the coaching staff."

Not to call you out specifically, Dale, but the sentiment was summed up quite nicely in those few sentences. You claim ignorance so that you're not responsible for suggesting an alternative, but also imply that you're more intelligent than the coaching staff/AD/whoever by saying that it's simple to see and address the problem. You can't act entitled and demand answers then throw your hands up and say "not my job" when someone asks you to help suggest a solution. That's a non-productive way to behave in any facet of your life. I don't treat my wife that way, I don't treat my co-workers that way, so why would I treat anyone that way?

And besides, isn't it far more interesting to try to figure out what's exactly wrong and what steps could be taken to find a solution? It's one of the reasons I'm glad jkm is posting around here more often. I guess I'm just more problem-solver oriented and maybe I need to accept that not everyone wants to do that on a message board. It's supposed to be fun, and if that's fun for you guys then maybe I'm the one missing the point.

[Curly Bill]

The ones who run this site do not agree with your opinion, so you must be silenced, put down, made fun of, called out, publicly spanked etc.

I like it when Dean spanks me publicly. It shows he cares, and that he's just a big ol kinky fella. :biggrin:

[Dale Ellis]

I don't think many of us, probably no more than a handful, would even have a clue how to fix the issues on the defensive side of the ball; shouldn't that be up to the coaches anyway? It's easy to spot a problem but obviously hard to fix it

I've already conceded that I would not have a clue how to fix the problems, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize that a problem exist.

[Dale Ellis]

I like it when Dean spanks me publicly. It shows he cares, and that he's just a big ol kinky fella. :biggrin:

I just wish he wouldn't make me put that orange ball thing in my mouth first.

[Curly Bill]

I just wish he wouldn't make me put that orange ball thing in my mouth first.

That's cause you're new. It's a rite of passage.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

I don't think many of us, probably no more than a handful, would even have a clue how to fix the issues on the defensive side of the ball; shouldn't that be up to the coaches anyway? It's easy to spot a problem but obviously hard to fix it

Oh I don't disagree with you at all on who should fix it..But to demand a surface based solution when I don't know enough to provide a solution with at least a little depth..Those are typically the ones that are just showing up when things go wrong.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Dale knows a lot about this board for a "new" poster.

[Dale Ellis]

Not to call you out specifically, Dale,

But you will anyway, ironic.


but also imply that you're more intelligent than the coaching staff

I never implied anything of the sort. I simply said that ones ability to recognize there's a problem has nothing to do with whether or not they have the ability to solve that problem.


I guess I'm just more problem-solver

In order to solve a problem, one must recognize there is a problem. My point was and still is, just because you and I and the majority of the posters on this board would not know how to solve our defensive problems, does not mean we have no right to complain that apparently the people who SHOULD know how to fix them are not.

[Dale Ellis]

Dale knows a lot about this board for a "new" poster.

It doesn't take me 13,000 posts to catch on, I'm a quick learner.

[Ton Loc]

The ones who run this site do not agree with your opinion, so you must be silenced, put down, made fun of, called out, publicly spanked etc.

I'm crossing my fingers for this...

[Dale Ellis]

Whatever the solution is, I hope our coaches can figure it out before Dec. 3rd, otherwise we may get half a hundred hung on us. That is all I will say about the matter.

[Curly Bill]

Dale knows a lot about this board for a "new" poster.

Ya think? I can't imagine a possible reason for that. ;)

[Dale Ellis]

Ya think? I can't imagine a possible reason for that. ;)

It doesn't take me 14,000 posts to figure it out, I'm a quick learner.

[Dale Ellis]

So has this thread now become the official, "how does Dale Ellis know so much" thread? How flattering, thanks fellers.

[Curly Bill]

I think we are hinting that perhaps you may have previously been on the board, under perhaps a different handle?

[Dale Ellis]

I think we are hinting that perhaps you may have previously been on the board, under perhaps a different handle?

No, I just read several posts on this thread from people calling out admins for jumping on posters. I put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5.

[SoonerAtKU]

But you will anyway, ironic.

No irony necessary, and again, I'm not trying to call you out specifically. You're saying the same things a great number of other people are saying, so please don't think that my statement had anything to do with what you said in comparison to what they're saying. You just said it all in 3 sentences, so of the people espousing your views, congrats for being the most succinct. And you use proper grammar, so it's easy to read what you're saying.


In order to solve a problem, one must recognize there is a problem. My point was and still is, just because you and I and the majority of the posters on this board would not know how to solve our defensive problems, does not mean we have no right to complain that apparently the people who SHOULD know how to fix them are not.

I think this is the start of something that's interesting to me, actually. Now, if we leave it at that statement, then we haven't done anything or learned anything, so I'm out. However, if we then take the next step and ask "If we all agree there's an issue, do we all agree that Stoops thinks there's an issue?" that becomes an interesting question. It could lead to "I don't think he cares or understands that these methods are unsuccessful" which I don't believe, or it could lead to "He thinks there's an issue but either can't or won't act."

To put it another way, what evidence would you need to see to convince you that the coaches know there is an issue and are working to resolve it? On a related note, what is the staff's responsibility to communicate that to the fans, knowing that there is still football to be played and games to prepare for this year?

[olevetonahill]

So has this thread now become the official, "how does Dale Ellis know so much" thread? How flattering, thanks fellers.

Naw I think most of us just wonder how you can be so full of ****.

[Breadburner]

Players gotta play.....!

[Dale Ellis]

I don't think he cares or understands that these methods are unsuccessful

I think he cares, I just don't think he thinks anything they are doing is the cause of the problem, otherwise, why do we continue to do the same things and have the same problems?


what is the staff's responsibility to communicate that to the fans, knowing that there is still football to be played and games to prepare for this year?

There is only one way to communicate to the fans that the problems are being addressed and corrected.........results on the field. If we go up to Stillwater, and see the same thing we've seen in the TT, Mizzou, aTm and Baylor games, then I think it's save to assume that what our coaches perceive as the problem, may not be, otherwise, why would the same thing continue to happen over and over again.

How does the saying go, The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

[Dale Ellis]

Naw I think most of us just wonder how you can be so full of ****.

I ate Mexican last night.

[Cantstandya]

No, we should name it Aggys who post on Sooner sites. amyrite?

Stupid response... And you proved the OP point.

[Dale Ellis]

Players gotta play.....!

agreed, but we can't on one hand blame the players when things go wrong, then pat the coaches on the back when everything is going well. But I'm full of $hit, so what do I know.

[pphilfran]

I think he cares, I just don't think he thinks anything they are doing is the cause of the problem, otherwise, why do we continue to do the same things and have the same problems?



There is only one way to communicate to the fans that the problems are being addressed and corrected.........results on the field. If we go up to Stillwater, and see the same thing we've seen in the TT, Mizzou, aTm and Baylor games, the I think it's save to assume that what our coaches perceive as the problem, may not be, otherwise, why would the same thing continue to happen over and over again.

How does the saying go, The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

It is not that simple...

If it is scheme then there is little chance to change up what you have been practicing for months and expect positive results in a short time frame...

If it is personnel then you will be looking at different players in new positions...the strength of a defense is in the whole...not having time to know what the guy next to you is going to do is not a good situation...

To me the problems are:
Over aggressive d backs that bite far too often...
A beat up linebacker core
A average d line
Crappy tackling

[olevetonahill]

agreed, but we can't on one hand blame the players when things go wrong, then pat the coaches on the back when everything is going well. But I'm full of $hit, so what do I know.
At least ya admit it :watermelon:

[Dale Ellis]

It is not that simple...

If it is scheme then there is little chance to change up what you have been practicing for months and expect positive results in a short time frame...

If it is personnel then you will be looking at different players in new positions...the strength of a defense is in the whole...not having time to know what the guy next to you is going to do is not a good situation...

To me the problems are:
Over aggressive d backs that bite far too often...
A beat up linebacker core
A average d line
Crappy tackling

we have not had those same issues every year, yet every year we have the same results, the numbers don't lie.

[TUSooner]

It happens for the same reason every political thread melts down into toxic goo: There is no gray, and no middle ground between extremes, no nuance of thought, no sublety; only us vs them (whiuch by the way is the subject of this really good article on ESPN.com: http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7264995/us-vs-illogic-sports-fandom-spills-life )

If you criticize Bob, you get raked over the coals for wanting to fire a great coach, and how could you possibly be so ungrateful and stupid?! What? You didn't say Bob should be fired? No matter! Your only choices are to worship Bob unconditionally or to want him fired.

If you defend Bob against the critics, you are a sunshine pumper, content with mediocrity and letting a golden century of perfect footbal tradition swirl down the drain in the hands of an overpaid, complacent dimwit. So you never said everything was perfect? No matter! Remember, there are only 2 choices: Fire Bob now, or keep drinking the Kool-Aid. There's nothing in between.

Do you get it now?
Remember this before you go to the politics forum.

[Dale Ellis]

At least ya admit it :watermelon:

OMG, that was an amazing comeback, you da man.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

A average d line

I couldn't disagree with this more. The defensive front has been one of the bright spots of the season. Not just Lewis and Alexander off the edges, but our DT play has been solid. Not Tommie Harris gamebreaking, but solid.

[Dale Ellis]

I couldn't disagree with this more. The defensive front has been one of the bright spots of the season. Not just Lewis and Alexander off the edges, but our DT play has been solid. Not Tommie Harris gamebreaking, but solid.

agree, the D-line has been a pleasant surprise this year.

[pphilfran]

we have not had those same issues every year, yet every year we have the same results, the numbers don't lie.

It is not the same cause each and every year....the fact is that we have had few years when we had a super stud d lineman a top notch linebacking core and two lock down corners...if you don't have those you will not have a top notch defense without using smoke and mirrors that will eventually fail...and this year we have been using smoke and mirror on the defense...there have been times we have pulled all the d tackles and used all d ends...I would say that says they recognize that there is a problem and are trying to find acceptable solutions over a short time frame...

[pphilfran]

I couldn't disagree with this more. The defensive front has been one of the bright spots of the season. Not just Lewis and Alexander off the edges, but our DT play has been solid. Not Tommie Harris gamebreaking, but solid.

The ends have done great...the tackles not so much...using the ends to make up for the tackle shortfall leaves problems on the edge...to make up for the problems on the edge the d backs become more aggressive..with the d backs becoming more aggressive I would expect to see more busts over the top...add in a beat up linebacker corp and you have a recipe for disaster...

[Dale Ellis]

It is not the same cause each and every year....the fact is that we have had few years when we had a super stud d lineman a top notch linebacking core and two lock down corners...if you don't have those you will not have a top notch defense without using smoke and mirrors that will eventually fail...and this year we have been using smoke and mirror on the defense...there have been times we have pulled all the d tackles and used all d ends...I would say that says they recognize that there is a problem and are trying to find acceptable solutions over a short time frame...

I never said they did not recognize there was a problem. And with all due respect, how can you on one hand say or imply that I'm not qualified to address how the problems could be resolved , and on the other hand make excuse after excuse as to why they exist?

[pphilfran]

I never said they did not recognize there was a problem. And with all due respect, how can you on one hand say or imply that I'm not qualified to address how the problems could be resolved , and on the other hand make excuse after excuse as to why they exist?

Where did I point the finger at you? Where did I ever say you were unqualified?

There is a difference between an excuse and pointing out specifics that I think lead to the decisions that are being made....

[SoonerAtKU]

I never said they did not recognize there was a problem. And with all due respect, how can you on one hand say or imply that I'm not qualified to address how the problems could be resolved , and on the other hand make excuse after excuse as to why they exist?

You yourself said you weren't qualified. PPF over there never made that claim. He's also not making excuses, he's using examples and logic to try to figure out what's happened and what is currently happening.

Excuses would be blaming injuries or the refs or the wind or the crowd. That's not what he's done and it's not what Stoops has done.

[Dale Ellis]

You yourself said you weren't qualified. PPF over there never made that claim. He's also not making excuses, he's using examples and logic to try to figure out what's happened and what is currently happening.

Excuses would be blaming injuries or the refs or the wind or the crowd. That's not what he's done and it's not what Stoops has done.

The entire jest of the conversation between he and I was, posters come in here complaining about problems that exist, the majority of them have no knowledge of why the problems exist or how to fix them.

I agree, but unless he knows what is causing the problems, he's just speculating the same way I would be if I offered an uneducated opinion on how to resolve them. I agree with many of the points he's raised. Could our defensive problems be a result of some of the issues he's raised, sure!
I would argue how to solve those problems could also be found within some of the rants on this thread. With all due respect, writing a well worded, concise opinion on what the issues are, does not make that opinion any more valid than someone who goes on a profanity laced tirade.

We both agree there are issues and we both agree neither one of us really knows just what's causing them, or exactly how to resolve them, is the fair enough?

[Dale Ellis]

Where did I point the finger at you? Where did I ever say you were unqualified?

There is a difference between an excuse and pointing out specifics that I think lead to the decisions that are being made....

Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as if I were accusing you of finger pointing.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

The ends have done great...the tackles not so much...using the ends to make up for the tackle shortfall leaves problems on the edge...to make up for the problems on the edge the d backs become more aggressive..with the d backs becoming more aggressive I would expect to see more busts over the top...add in a beat up linebacker corp and you have a recipe for disaster...

To say it doesn't explain it OR make it true. Using the ends to make up for the tackle shortfall leaves problems on the edge? Are you seriously attributing our busts in the deep third to poor DT play?

The edge is where we've been strongest in penetration and pursuit. And it HASN'T been happening because DBs are busting upfield. That's solely on the shoulders of guys like Frank Alexander and Ronnell Lewis making plays. Our defensive tackles have been solid this season in gap control, maintaining good, square shoulders and upfield movement. They move well laterally on the read and react and they make GREAT angles running all the stupid stunts and twists Venables has such a hard on for. If you want to assign a lack of interior penetration to poor DT play, then friend, you're just wrong. If you want to assign all the A gap busts on the ground to poor DT play, then again, you're just wrong. We don't have gamebreakers at the DT spot. So what do you do? You do your best to control the LOS, keep your inside guys focused upfield and on their gap, and let 'em soak a block or two. Make a play or two. And that's EXACTLY what they've done.

When you look at our failures at the defensive tackle spot they're few and far between. For the most part, they control the LOS (a couple of goal line instances excused, you CAN'T win 'em all), deny the line surge, and do what's asked of them to keep linebackers in space, ESPECIALLY in 4 down sets. With all the movement up front intended to generate pressure, all we've managed to do is delay pressure, switch the jersey number each individual in pass pro has to pick up in their zone, and put undersized bodies at the point of attack in the A and B gaps. Classic example is the 1st quarter in the Baylor game. Hit 'em on the edges with pressure from the 3rd LB and you're stacking that tackle with the DE rush and that LB in space. GORGEOUS idea and with the quality DT play, that allows your middle and outside the chance to flow (if they stay level) and cut off the belly zone and enable pursuit to the sideline horizontally. That didn't happen later in the game because somebody bonered up to start with the twists and stunts in the gut again. And as soon as that happened, penetration died, Griffin had all day to slice our throat, and he did just that.

When Corey Nelson comes off the edge, remember, it's all been done. Nic Harris did it. Roy Williams did it. And it WORKS. The beauty of now is that we can do it from that 3-3 Nickel because Nelson, while small, can play quality LB in space and has the tools to come like a safety. Which would make one think we're having to generate pressure with extra bodies because our DTs suck. It's simply not the case. It's the means with which the coaching staff is trying to generate pressure (AKA, twists and stunts) combined with some pretty shoddy LB play between the tackles.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

You say that, but Baylor didn't score on every possession in the game so yes it could have been worse. Remember that Proctor (the replacement) got beat at the end for the final TD.

Unfortunately, being in the screen shot when the guy caught the ball was an upgrade:D



Sorry, you can neg me to oblivion now.

[pphilfran]

To say it doesn't explain it OR make it true. Using the ends to make up for the tackle shortfall leaves problems on the edge? Are you seriously attributing our busts in the deep third to poor DT play?

The edge is where we've been strongest in penetration and pursuit. And it HASN'T been happening because DBs are busting upfield. That's solely on the shoulders of guys like Frank Alexander and Ronnell Lewis making plays. Our defensive tackles have been solid this season in gap control, maintaining good, square shoulders and upfield movement. They move well laterally on the read and react and they make GREAT angles running all the stupid stunts and twists Venables has such a hard on for. If you want to assign a lack of interior penetration to poor DT play, then friend, you're just wrong. If you want to assign all the A gap busts on the ground to poor DT play, then again, you're just wrong. We don't have gamebreakers at the DT spot. So what do you do? You do your best to control the LOS, keep your inside guys focused upfield and on their gap, and let 'em soak a block or two. Make a play or two. And that's EXACTLY what they've done.

When you look at our failures at the defensive tackle spot they're few and far between. For the most part, they control the LOS (a couple of goal line instances excused, you CAN'T win 'em all), deny the line surge, and do what's asked of them to keep linebackers in space, ESPECIALLY in 4 down sets. With all the movement up front intended to generate pressure, all we've managed to do is delay pressure, switch the jersey number each individual in pass pro has to pick up in their zone, and put undersized bodies at the point of attack in the A and B gaps. Classic example is the 1st quarter in the Baylor game. Hit 'em on the edges with pressure from the 3rd LB and you're stacking that tackle with the DE rush and that LB in space. GORGEOUS idea and with the quality DT play, that allows your middle and outside the chance to flow (if they stay level) and cut off the belly zone and enable pursuit to the sideline horizontally. That didn't happen later in the game because somebody bonered up to start with the twists and stunts in the gut again. And as soon as that happened, penetration died, Griffin had all day to slice our throat, and he did just that.

When Corey Nelson comes off the edge, remember, it's all been done. Nic Harris did it. Roy Williams did it. And it WORKS. The beauty of now is that we can do it from that 3-3 Nickel because Nelson, while small, can play quality LB in space and has the tools to come like a safety. Which would make one think we're having to generate pressure with extra bodies because our DTs suck. It's simply not the case. It's the means with which the coaching staff is trying to generate pressure (AKA, twists and stunts) combined with some pretty shoddy LB play between the tackles.

The d line has done fine only because of the different sets that have been used to maximize the great d end depth that we have....

By far the most blame goes to the d backs and decimated linebacker corp...the Sooners have average tackles...and you will have a difficult time being an outstanding defense with average tackle play....

[pphilfran]

We were getting great pressure prior to losing Lewis...then the roof caved in because the initial plan went up in smoke....

[Tulsa_Fireman]

The d line has done fine only because of the different sets that have been used to maximize the great d end depth that we have....

Are you on crack? Seriously.

"Different sets" have maximized our defensive line's success? WHAT different sets? The massively drastic differences in a 4 down and 3 down set? C'mon, man. Our tackles are not "average". Our DTs are above average and then some. Again, they're not little Gerald McCoy and Tommie Harris clones, but our boys in the gut are pretty damn good. I've listed a number of reasons why that is incontrovertible. Great feet, size, good ball sense, hell, Stacy McGee has been an absolute joy to watch this season. Casey Walker is a beast. And they're "average" because Venables uses "different sets" to maximize great DE depth? That doesn't even make sense.

DE play has been lights out. DT play has been strong and while there isn't a McCoy or Harris caliber standout to suck up doubleteams and eat everyone's children, that does NOT dismiss what they've done in every phase of quality DT play. Again, you're just simply wrong.

[SoonerAtKU]

With all due respect, writing a well worded, concise opinion on what the issues are, does not make that opinion any more valid than someone who goes on a profanity laced tirade.

We both agree there are issues and we both agree neither one of us really knows just what's causing them, or exactly how to resolve them, is the fair enough?

A fair point, except that I disagree that you can't value one over the other. A tirade, by nature, is not constructive. I guess this is just me arguing for what I'd like to see more of on this board. This isn't my board and I don't get to pick and choose the type of discussions that happen here. I can say that I find the speculation and discussion of the issues infinitely more interesting than reading the 50th version of "Fire Vulnerables". If you're new here and haven't lurked long, I can perhaps understand why that might not be tiresome to you yet, but give it time. I've been around and reading since 1999 or so and the merry-go-round gets old if you don't change the music.

[pphilfran]

Are you on crack? Seriously.

"Different sets" have maximized our defensive line's success? WHAT different sets? The massively drastic differences in a 4 down and 3 down set? C'mon, man. Our tackles are not "average". Our DTs are above average and then some. Again, they're not little Gerald McCoy and Tommie Harris clones, but our boys in the gut are pretty damn good. I've listed a number of reasons why that is incontrovertible. Great feet, size, good ball sense, hell, Stacy McGee has been an absolute joy to watch this season. Casey Walker is a beast. And they're "average" because Venables uses "different sets" to maximize great DE depth? That doesn't even make sense.

DE play has been lights out. DT play has been strong and while there isn't a McCoy or Harris caliber standout to suck up doubleteams and eat everyone's children, that does NOT dismiss what they've done in every phase of quality DT play. Again, you're just simply wrong.

A McCoy or Harris would make a tremendous difference in the d....

The tackles have played much better than I expected...though not as good as they need to be to be a MNC contender...

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

I couldn't disagree with this more. The defensive front has been one of the bright spots of the season. Not just Lewis and Alexander off the edges, but our DT play has been solid. Not Tommie Harris gamebreaking, but solid.

Casey Walker has been good, but who else? If he isn't in the Middle gets sunk 3-4 yards. Heck we have 3 DEs in some of the time, our DTs are so ineffective.

[pphilfran]

Casey Walker has been good, but who else? If he isn't in the Middle gets sunk 3-4 yards. Heck we have 3 DEs in some of the time, our DTs are so ineffective.

Thank you...

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Are you on crack? Seriously.

"Different sets" have maximized our defensive line's success? WHAT different sets? The massively drastic differences in a 4 down and 3 down set? C'mon, man. Our tackles are not "average". Our DTs are above average and then some. Again, they're not little Gerald McCoy and Tommie Harris clones, but our boys in the gut are pretty damn good. I've listed a number of reasons why that is incontrovertible. Great feet, size, good ball sense, hell, Stacy McGee has been an absolute joy to watch this season. Casey Walker is a beast. And they're "average" because Venables uses "different sets" to maximize great DE depth? That doesn't even make sense.

DE play has been lights out. DT play has been strong and while there isn't a McCoy or Harris caliber standout to suck up doubleteams and eat everyone's children, that does NOT dismiss what they've done in every phase of quality DT play. Again, you're just simply wrong.

No, they are average because they don't command double teams. If the interior OLine has 5 guys to block 6 (4 DL/2 LBs) they are executing those blocks at a phenomenal rate (I'd say 65%+) with the DEs the only ones consistently beating blocks. The only lineman right now commanding a double team is FA thus why they have tried to move him inside to free up a linebacker.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Unfortunately, being in the screen shot when the guy caught the ball was an upgrade:D



Sorry, you can neg me to oblivion now.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

I'd be curious to know what problems have REALLY been caused by people raising some hell on here about X member of coaching staff, etc.. Is BV sleeping less at night because of someone on here pointing out yet another failure by him? Is Bob distraught to the point he's going to give some of his money back? Other than get on the nerves of the Kool Aid drinking sunshine pumpers, what problems have arisen from this meltdown?

And yeah, I get the whole 1,000 threads on the same topic dealio, but is there something else I'm missing from a board admin aspect that's such a problem?

I know that some of the coach's wives used to lurk to see if anything was leaking out. Maybe Topdawg can relate his face full of angry Venables story at some point. I also know that after the 2001 loss that someone showed Hybl the thread on here "Nate Hybl is an embarrassment to the University of Oklahoma" thread.

[Curly Bill]

I know that some of the coach's wives used to lurk to see if anything was leaking out. Maybe Topdawg can relate his face full of angry Venables story at some point. I also know that after the 2001 loss that someone showed Hybl the thread on here "Nate Hybl is an embarrassment to the University of Oklahoma" thread.

That's kinda funny right there. I like to picture BV's wife telling him: Honey, there's this dumass on SF called Curly Bill that's always saying mean things about you. ;)

[Dale Ellis]

A fair point, except that I disagree that you can't value one over the other. A tirade, by nature, is not constructive. I guess this is just me arguing for what I'd like to see more of on this board. This isn't my board and I don't get to pick and choose the type of discussions that happen here. I can say that I find the speculation and discussion of the issues infinitely more interesting than reading the 50th version of "Fire Vulnerables". If you're new here and haven't lurked long, I can perhaps understand why that might not be tiresome to you yet, but give it time. I've been around and reading since 1999 or so and the merry-go-round gets old if you don't change the music.

I'm not debating how we should respond as posters on this board. I'm simply pointing out that some on this board think, if their arguments are pretty, with a nice bow on it, it somehow means they are more valid than someone who tends to vent a little more, when making their point.

[Fraggle145]

(DCs saying they needed some time to implement some adjustments or whatever).

Heh, that's funny. Our DCs havent made an in-game adjustment in a long, LONG, time (just venting).

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

I'm not debating how we should respond as posters on this board. I'm simply pointing out that some on this board think, if their arguments are pretty, with a nice bow on it, it somehow means they are more valid than someone who tends to vent a little more, when making their point.

It actually has nothing to do with content and all to do with the tone of the post. The harsher the tone, the less overall discussion that can be had. Discussion in those threads tends to be similar to pointing out a flaw in your wife's argument when she is in a berzerker PMS rage. Thus they let them run their course and when they start repeating themselves, they lock them.

Contrast this with OUMartin posting the following -> "Venables defenses are horridly porrous. Given the tradition of OU defensively and that he's been DC for 7 years I think its time we got another defensive coordinator." This invites discussion and we discuss it (which has went on in several threads). This is what happens on a message board where we have zero direct impact on anything that happens.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Heh, that's funny. Our DCs havent made an in-game adjustment in a long, LONG, time (just venting).

They have made some, its just hard when your QB has a talent for going 3 and out at the moment in the game when you need a long drive the MOST.

[Curly Bill]

Heh, that's funny. Our DCs havent made an in-game adjustment in a long, LONG, time (just venting).

Is Jordan Shipley STILL running open across the middle of our defense? :onthego:

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Is Jordan Shipley STILL running open across the middle of our defense? :onthego:

Yes, but that isn't what killed us that year. It was the 3 late hit out of bounds on McCoy that allowed them to continue drives at midfield (that was 17 points right there).

[Curly Bill]

Yes, but that isn't what killed us that year. It was the 3 late hit out of bounds on McCoy that allowed them to continue drives at midfield (that was 17 points right there).

I know, but I expect officials to be screw-ups and do their job in a terrible way, I don't expect it out of the DC at OU! Well.. actually I expect exactly that, but that's kind of what we've been kicking around here the past few days isn't it?

[StoopTroup]

I know that some of the coach's wives used to lurk to see if anything was leaking out. Maybe Topdawg can relate his face full of angry Venables story at some point. I also know that after the 2001 loss that someone showed Hybl the thread on here "Nate Hybl is an embarrassment to the University of Oklahoma" thread.

I remember that. Anyone that has met her will tell you what a nice gal she is. She loves her Hubby and they are a terrific Couple. Josh has been nice to me and my Son every time we've had the opportunity to shake his hand and telling him we are rooting for him and glad he came back to Oklahoma to Coach.

I can't imagine why anyone who is a Sooner Fan would think seeing her upset about what some idiot says about her Husband would think that's funny. It's like some folks don't think these folks we have here to Coach our Teams are real People.

I make fun of other Teams Coaches because to me....they are the enemy and if something I say can shake em up....so much the better. I can't see doing that to one of our own though. It's pretty clear our Head Coach doesn't do that to his Coaching Staff so I see zero reason a Sooner Fan would do that unless they are a complete a-hole.

[delhalew]

That's kinda funny right there. I like to picture BV's wife telling him: Honey, there's this dumass on SF called Curly Bill that's always saying mean things about you. ;)

Heh. I LOLed.

[Seamus]

I remember that. Anyone that has met her will tell you what a nice gal she is. She loves her Hubby and they are a terrific Couple. Josh has been nice to me and my Son every time we've had the opportunity to shake his hand and telling him we are rooting for him and glad he came back to Oklahoma to Coach.

I can't imagine why anyone who is a Sooner Fan would think seeing her upset about what some idiot says about her Husband would think that's funny. It's like some folks don't think these folks we have here to Coach our Teams are real People.

I make fun of other Teams Coaches because to me....they are the enemy and if something I say can shake em up....so much the better. I can't see doing that to one of our own though. It's pretty clear our Head Coach doesn't do that to his Coaching Staff so I see zero reason a Sooner Fan would do that unless they are a complete a-hole.

At least we're not Tennessee, with Mama Dooley driving down to the radio station to defend Derek from the bad ol' talk show guys ...

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

I expect a return on a $5M dollar yr investment, if we must pay our coaches like royalty...then there damn sure outta be royal results

Stoops generates a TON of revenue of which he gets paid part. If you'll remember, the AD was actually losing money when Blake was the coach yet its making money hand over fist now. I also think you overestimate just how many coaches out there could do better than Stoops at OU. I also think we underestimate how much better this staff could have done at Florida than OU during the last 8 years (where the talent seems to "fit" his style better).

[StoopTroup]

At least we're not Tennessee, with Mama Dooley driving down to the radio station to defend Derek from the bad ol' talk show guys ...

I much prefer that. I think she was awesome. Gal shows up and says....tell me how you feel. My kid is a bit busy right now. In other words....if you have the balls to ask me face to face and accept the consequences...you are the man. You'd be a pretty damn stupid man but for 15 minutes...you would be the man.....lol

[C&CDean]

Stupid response... And you proved the OP point.

Are you gonna contribute to the thread or just stand there looking aggyish?

One more time, for the exceptionally slow readers:

WE ALL ARE UPSET/UNHAPPY/DISPLEASED/BUMMED OUT/BENT OUTTA SHAPE WITH OUR RECENT ON-FIELD PERFORMANCES. Did y'all get that part? Good.

INSTEAD OF SCREAMING "FIRE COACH XXXXX AT THE TOP OF OUR LUNGS, SOME OF US ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE INJURIES, DEATHS, BLOWN ASSIGNMENTS, PENALTIES, AND OTHER LITTLE NUANCES THAT JUST MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE POOR PERFORMANCE. So far so good? Good.

WE'VE ALLOWED SEVERAL THREADS TO LET PEOPLE VENT ABOUT WHATEVER THEY NEED TO FROTH AND FOAM AT THE MOUTH OVER. IN FACT, WE'VE LET THEM GO FULL-OUT STUPID WITHOUT BUTTING IN. Capice? Good.

THEN I (NOT THE OTHER ADMINS/MODS, I) JUMPED IN AND CLOSED SOME THREADS AND INSULTED THE MORE IGNORANT OFFENDERS.

The people like marty, CB, and the other coach haters want everyone else to go "that's right, by galdammit let's fire the lot of em'." When they don't, they go "suck up little koolaid boy" without giving a thought about any of the reasons that some of us believe the issues are much more with the james and josephs than with the x's and o's.

Nobody likes losing. People who automatically and publically shout blame at every loss or poor performance are just loudmouths who aren't smart enough to step away from their computer for a day or two and let it all sink in. They post in the heat of the moment, and anyone with even half a brain knows how stupid that is. I have cussed every coach and player all the way to hell a million times at my TV set. I'm sure y'all have too. After that, it's time to do what someone on here so wisely called "being wise." Share your opinion without telling Venables to suck a bag of dicks or screaming like a banshee for Stoops' head in a bucket. What's so ****ing hard about it?

[OUInformant]

ALL CAPS SCARES ME!

[okiedokie]

No, if you are constantly complaining and at the same time it is clear that you have no idea what you're talking about while also managing not to add anything to a conversation and for some reason you make those same repititive bitchy comments in thread after thread ---> that makes you an aggie.

See, that was easy.

and you will decide this? it's a freakin message board

[C&CDean]

and you will decide this? it's a freakin message board

No, I decided it. But it makes you an aggy, not an aggie.

[okiedokie]

No, I decided it. But it makes you an aggy, not an aggie.
so you decide what is an aggie, huh? takes one to know one.... :cheerful:just kiddin :)

[C&CDean]

Heh. Yeah, I'm a world-class aggy when I'm in front of the TV. "****in' Stoops, WTF was that **** anyhow? Catch the ****ing ball you no-catching ****wad. Hell, my momma could tackle that guy. Nice Venables, really ****ing nice."

In the stadium, and after the game? Not so much. And I never post during a game. I'd look like the rest of the aggys on here.

[StoopTroup]

It's that damn OUFLAK'S Fault. BAN HIM! :D ;)

[okiedokie]

Heh. Yeah, I'm a world-class aggy when I'm in front of the TV. "****in' Stoops, WTF was that **** anyhow? Catch the ****ing ball you no-catching ****wad. Hell, my momma could tackle that guy. Nice Venables, really ****ing nice."

In the stadium, and after the game? Not so much. And I never post during a game. I'd look like the rest of the aggys on here.

I think we are all at that same point when the Sooners are struggling or losing.... I have 2 little kids that have to leave the room or the old earmuff thing..I feel like the dad from a Christmas Story making up cuss words...lol

[cvsooner]

Personally, for the last loss, I blame Sic'Em and his 'prepare your anus' thread.

[C&CDean]

God love him, it was Sicem's finest moment. The pinnacle. Shot the wad. Money. Living proof that even a blind dog gets a bone.

[8timechamps]

While amusing (and frustrating), this has been on par as far as meltdowns on this board go.

For me, it's a pretty simple balance. I'm a Bob Stoops fan, and I feel like he has delivered better than anyone in the country over the term of his employment. He said it best himself (in today's press conference): (paraphrase) "We are always in the mix (for the title), that's one thing we have that can't be said for many other teams, if any, out there". That's the best I, as a fan, can hope for from a coach or coaching staff. Do we lose games we should win? Sure. You can't argue with the law of averages...and...you can't win 'em all. The balance for me is that I still cheer for my team, win or lose. Still believe we are among the best in the land, win or lose. And I know there is much more to life than whether the Sooners can get a 3rd and long stop or not.

I have been around football my entire life, and I feel like I am educated to the game, but I don't pretend of profess to do it better than Bob has. That's when I become frustrated on the board, when people come on and spout "Fire Coach [insert name]" without really thinking about the situation (or giving credit for the historical performance).

I don't agree with every thing Coach Stoops does, but guess what? Nobody asks nor gives a **** what I think. I understand that folks need to come on here and vent, or exercise the demons, but a little goes a long way, and I think we've always been good about letting folks have their opinion and keeping things from spinning out of control.

I think TUSooner said it best:

If you criticize Coach Stoops or his staff, you're labeled a "non fan" or "stupid" by some, not all. On the other hand, if you support them, then you are labeled a "Sunshine Pumper" or "Kool-Aid drinker" by some, not all.

For the most part, folks that stick around and express their opinions (and get to know the mentality of the regular posters) get along just fine. It's the "fly by" posters that cause the most uproar, the ones that think their opinion is bulletproof, and can't believe they could possibly be contradicted or moderated on a free message board. That's usually when I become defensive.

[cvsooner]

God love him, it was Sicem's finest moment. The pinnacle. Shot the wad. Money. Living proof that even a blind dog gets a bone.Dayum prophetic Baptist...

[StoopTroup]

While amusing (and frustrating), this has been on par as far as meltdowns on this board go.

For me, it's a pretty simple balance. I'm a Bob Stoops fan, and I feel like he has delivered better than anyone in the country over the term of his employment. He said it best himself (in today's press conference): (paraphrase) "We are always in the mix (for the title), that's one thing we have that can't be said for many other teams, if any, out there". That's the best I, as a fan, can hope for from a coach or coaching staff. Do we lose games we should win? Sure. You can't argue with the law of averages...and...you can't win 'em all. The balance for me is that I still cheer for my team, win or lose. Still believe we are among the best in the land, win or lose. And I know there is much more to life than whether the Sooners can get a 3rd and long stop or not.

I have been around football my entire life, and I feel like I am educated to the game, but I don't pretend of profess to do it better than Bob has. That's when I become frustrated on the board, when people come on and spout "Fire Coach [insert name]" without really thinking about the situation (or giving credit for the historical performance).

I don't agree with every thing Coach Stoops does, but guess what? Nobody asks nor gives a **** what I think. I understand that folks need to come on here and vent, or exercise the demons, but a little goes a long way, and I think we've always been good about letting folks have their opinion and keeping things from spinning out of control.

I think TUSooner said it best:

If you criticize Coach Stoops or his staff, you're labeled a "non fan" or "stupid" by some, not all. On the other hand, if you support them, then you are labeled a "Sunshine Pumper" or "Kool-Aid drinker" by some, not all.

For the most part, folks that stick around and express their opinions (and get to know the mentality of the regular posters) get along just fine. It's the "fly by" posters that cause the most uproar, the ones that think their opinion is bulletproof, and can't believe they could possibly be contradicted or moderated on a free message board. That's usually when I become defensive.


Nice Post you Sunshine Pumpin' Bastid. LOL

Seriously. It's exactly on the money. It allows for even the drive by folks to toss out their opinion but they shouldn't be surprised if a Mod suddenly slaps them with three days off. There are other boards out there that would perma ban them just for logging in. I know that being StoopTroup get's me perma Banned instantly on nearly all the free boards. I could change my Moniker so I could get in but I'm not going to. StoopTroup is StoopTroup. Dean is Dean and as far as I know 8TimeChamps is always 8TimeChamps. Most of us don't go around trying to sneak in other opponent's Boards just to do a Drive by. This Board is pretty well known for allowing other Fans to come here and post as long as they realize they can get booted for being an a-hole and that they need to try and get along with most posters even if they have to face some that are unreasonable. This is a Sooner Board and even though Phil and I have had disagreements...we still shake hands on Game Days. He's a Sooner Fan. I like that about most every person especially the Sunshine Pumpers that are trying to make the Sun Crimson. Disagreements happen and next year the Sooners will Re-load and be in the hunt again. Will all the same Coaches be there? We will find out between now and then.

[8timechamps]

Nice Post you Sunshine Pumpin' Bastid. LOL

Seriously. It's exactly on the money. It allows for even the drive by folks to toss out their opinion but they shouldn't be surprised if a Mod suddenly slaps them with three days off. There are other boards out there that would perma ban them just for logging in. I know that being StoopTroup get's me perma Banned instantly on nearly all the free boards. I could change my Moniker so I could get in but I'm not going to. StoopTroup is StoopTroup. Dean is Dean and as far as I know 8TimeChamps is always 8TimeChamps. Most of us don't go around trying to sneak in other opponent's Boards just to do a Drive by. This Board is pretty well known for allowing other Fans to come here and post as long as they realize they can get booted for being an a-hole and that they need to try and get along with most posters even if they have to face some that are unreasonable. This is a Sooner Board and even though Phil and I have had disagreements...we still shake hands on Game Days. He's a Sooner Fan. I like that about most every person especially the Sunshine Pumpers that are trying to make the Sun Crimson. Disagreements happen and next year the Sooners will Re-load and be in the hunt again. Will all the same Coaches be there? We will find out between now and then.

Life is much easier when you sunshine pump! Good times :)

[MyT Oklahoma]

It is what it is. I've been wearing Sooner crimson and cream off and on since Sunday. More on than off. After all its really just a game.

See everyone in the Snake Pit on Saturday.

P.S. And I'm bringing my daughter. The Sooners never lose when we both attend a game together.

[OU-HSV]

It is what it is. I've been wearing Sooner crimson and cream off and on since Sunday. More on than off. After all its really just a game.....Yep, I've worn my OU jacket as much as I normally do most weeks. It's funny how many looks we get as OU fans after a loss when we still wear our gear. I even had a guy at lunch the other day say "you're an OU fan huh?". I just said "yep, rough weekend". (considering I was wearing an OU jacket I should've said "what are you some kind of effin genius")

[StoopTroup]

Life is much easier when you sunshine pump! Good times :)

Indeed. I've lowered my BP down from Borderline just from Friending Brent Venables on Facebook. He says it was our Fans fault for not cheering loud enough. He also said for all those freeloading TV Fans to start going to venues that can't sellout their Home Field. He said they save enough money freeloading to be able to attend one away game.

Brent isn't a Sunshine Pumper and I think he's making a list of people who can kiss his ***. Don't Tweet OUDavid. Brent says that **** pisses Bob off bad.

:D ;)

[C&CDean]

Sorry, but it is the x's and o's and it is mostly on the defensive side.

Really? You know this how? It's obviously not by watching the games. Guess you read this board alot, huh?

[Dale Ellis]

Really? You know this how? It's obviously not by watching the games. Guess you read this board alot, huh?

The same way you know otherwise I guess, a blind hunch.

[picasso]

marty,

Focus on anal pron. Something you know something about. Leave the football to the football folks and the guys you film performing the pron. Thanks in advance.
hey-o!

[picasso]

Dale Ellis, you were hella good back in the day. Dude could hit 3's all day long.

[8timechamps]

Dale Ellis, you were hella good back in the day. Dude could hit 3's all day long.

Yeah, but he had kind of a funny shaped head.

[goingoneight]

I'd be willing to bet some of those big, bad, fast and invincible SEC teams might struggle just a much as we do with the injuries we have and playing up against teams who don't consider a screen pass a "huge play in the passing game." See: Brent Musburger's comment about Marquize Maze's seven yard wonder bubble screen against LSU.
Big problems exist for us, but I don't think it's entirely something that Saint Mike Stoops, Evil Genius Nick Saban or Lucky Lester would magically just snap their fingers and fix right away.

[OUmillenium]

Here is one solution I offer the defense...

NEVER rush only 3 men. 4 man rush should be the minimum, and never a norm. 5 man rush or more. That part seems pretty simple. And I do know some football and could gameplan a bit.

[jk the sooner fan]

can we get a list of which posters are.....and which posters are not - qualified to have a valid opinion on ou football

i'm curious to know who to pay attention too and who to be dismissive of...