ACORN Bait & Swithch Still Alive in Occupy Wall STreet - NYC

[soonercruiser]

The ole bait & switch is still alive in corrupt inner NYC.

ACORN (under another name) was fundraising door to door "for the children" and schools; only to shift the $$ over to supporting OWS!
I wonder who would teach them such things??? Perhaps a Community Organizer?


http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=366373
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Massive 'bait-and-switch' purloins school donations?
Congressman wants investigation of claim of financial manipulation
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Posted: November 13, 2011
5:41 pm Eastern
U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., a top congressional investigator, is demanding that the Obama administration investigate allegedly fraudulent fundraising practices that ACORN's New York front group has used to raise funds for Occupy Wall Street. ACORN used to employ Barack Obama as an organizer and lawyer.

Issa, who is chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, asked Brooklyn-based U.S. Attorney Loretta Lynch if New York Communities for Change "engaged in fraud through its participation in the Occupy Wall Street protests."

"It's extremely gratifying to see that the senior watchdog in the U.S. Congress is going after the con artists and anti-American communists of ACORN," said Vadum, author of the explosive new book "Subversion Inc.: How Obama's ACORN Red Shirts are Still Terrorizing and Ripping Off American Taxpayers."

Get the details about the agenda to undermine America, in "Subversion Inc.: How Obama's ACORN Red Shirts are Still Terrorizing and Ripping Off American Taxpayers."

Vadum is a senior editor at Capital Research Center, a think tank that studies left-wing advocacy groups and their funders. His book is the product of nearly three years of research and hundreds of interviews.

NYCC was created by ACORN operatives more than a year ago before ACORN filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. It operates out of ACORN New York's old office in Brooklyn. The ACORN-founded political party, the Working Families Party (WFP), operates out of the same office.

In a letter Monday Issa asked Lynch to begin an investigation of claims that NYCC "solicited donations from union members under false pretenses and misappropriated those funds to support the protesters."

NYCC staffers reportedly have collected money door-to-door for the group's campaign to test schools for dangerous toxins such as PCBs. After taking the money, NYCC allegedly mixed those funds with cash raised for a teachers union and to support Occupy Wall Street. A NYCC source was quoted by FoxNews.com saying money raised to help schools "isn't going to the campaign … it's just going to the protests, and that's just so terrible."

To cover up the financial irregularities, NYCC executive director Jon Kest allegedly has threatened and fired employees, destroyed documents, ordered staffers not to speak to the press, and installed surveillance cameras and recording devices at NYCC headquarters in Brooklyn.

NYCC also reportedly is getting rid of all items that reference ACORN in an effort to conceal NYCC's close relationship with the ACORN network. Kest is a longtime ACORN operative and his brother Steve was executive director for the national ACORN organization.

Staten Island congressman Michael G. Grimm, R-N.Y., said he supports Issa's call for a probe.

"It is no surprise to hear that an ACORN-affiliated group may be connected to the Occupy Wall Street movement. Their track record of fraud and links to deceitful activity demand that these allegations be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law," Grimm said.

The Occupy Wall Street demonstrations, which have now spread to several other cities, are part of what ACORN's neo-communist founder Wade Rathke referred to as an "anti-banking jihad." The Working Families Party, another ACORN front group, is also taking part in the protests by raising money and paying for protesters to attend the encampment in New York City's Zuccotti Park.

Many other ACORN front groups across the nation are involved in occupations. Some of the participating groups are Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment (ACCE); Organizers in the Land of Enchantment (OLÉ) (New Mexico); Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment (MORE); Action United (Pennsylvania); Organize Now (Florida), Minnesota Neighborhoods Organizing for Change; and New England United for Justice (Massachusetts).

ACORN has a long history of fraud that Vadum has documented in "Subversion Inc." At least 54 employees and individuals associated with ACORN have been convicted of voter fraud. ACORN itself was convicted in a massive voter registration fraud conspiracy in Nevada earlier this year. In addition, the Obama administration has ignored a nearly $1 million embezzlement within ACORN. The perpetrators of the fraud apparently raided ACORN workers’ pension funds in order to cover up the embezzlement.

The Obama administration also ignored the videos shot at ACORN offices across America by activists James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles, who caught ACORN workers offering advice on how to break the law without getting caught.

The furor that accompanied the release of those videos led to a 2009 congressional ban on funding ACORN which the Obama administration is now ignoring. After a brief period, Obama's Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Shaun Donovan, started issuing grants earlier this year to ACORN Housing, which changed its name to Affordable Housing Centers of America.
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[diverdog]

The ole bait & switch is still alive in corrupt inner NYC.

ACORN (under another name) was fundraising door to door "for the children" and schools; only to shift the $$ over to supporting OWS!
I wonder who would teach them such things??? Perhaps a Community Organizer?


Good unbiased source you have there cruiser.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

"It's extremely gratifying to see that the senior watchdog in the U.S. Congress is going after the con artists and anti-American communists of ACORN," said Vadum, author of the explosive new book "Subversion Inc.: How Obama's ACORN Red Shirts are Still Terrorizing and Ripping Off American Taxpayers."

Go get 'em, Joe!

Oh, wait. My bad. McCarthy's dead.

OR IS HE!?

[soonercruiser]

Facts are facts, Diver!
I post facts and stories.

Your job is to refute, and post any other facts.
That too hard?

[soonercruiser]

Besides, there is no Joe McCarthy in all of this.
The facts are - that the communists and socialists in the "Occupy" crowds are more than willing to testify about it in front of cameras; and yell it at the top of their lungs!

You Libs are just ignoring the facts!
Thank GOD there are Americans who are not just dismissing this as not possible, and putting their collective heads back in the liberal sand box. :hopelessness:

(You will "see no EVIL" watching the drive-by media!)

[Midtowner]

I predicted long ago that the problem wasn't ACORN, it was the members of ACORN. I'd like to see that organization investigated and people locked up. The gov't can investigate and shut down whatever corporate entities it wants to. It'll be like an eternal game of wack-a-mole. People need to go to prison.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Besides, there is no Joe McCarthy in all of this.
The facts are - that the communists and socialists in the "Occupy" crowds are more than willing to testify about it in front of cameras; and yell it at the top of their lungs!

You Libs are just ignoring the facts!
Thank GOD there are Americans who are not just dismissing this as not possible, and putting their collective heads back in the liberal sand box. :hopelessness:

(You will "see no EVIL" watching the drive-by media!)

LIBZ R EEBIL I SEEN ONE!!!!11111oneone

So what? Who cares that Joe Hippie and Jane Collegeretard are communists/socialists? Is that not their right? And if they feel there should be changes in the way our government does business, should they NOT use the constitutional means at their disposal such as the right to assemble, the right to free speech, freedoms of the press, and election to representative office? Or should they just keep their America-hatin' commie mouths shut before you pop 'em with 5 knuckles of good ol' freedom?

Isn't it ironic? Don'tcha think?

[JohnnyMack]

LIBZ R EEBIL I SEEN ONE!!!!11111oneone

So what? Who cares that Joe Hippie and Jane Collegeretard are communists/socialists? Is that not their right? And if they feel there should be changes in the way our government does business, should they NOT use the constitutional means at their disposal such as the right to assemble, the right to free speech, freedoms of the press, and election to representative office? Or should they just keep their America-hatin' commie mouths shut before you pop 'em with 5 knuckles of good ol' freedom?

Isn't it ironic? Don'tcha think?

Heh.

[soonercruiser]

I predicted long ago that the problem wasn't ACORN, it was the members of ACORN. I'd like to see that organization investigated and people locked up. The gov't can investigate and shut down whatever corporate entities it wants to. It'll be like an eternal game of wack-a-mole. People need to go to prison.

Sorry Midtowner!
But ACORN corruption stated at the top, and was inbred in their hiring and management.
It was bred in a cultue of community organizing and Alinskyian tactics. This is what BHO personally taught the "little ones".

[soonercruiser]

LIBZ R EEBIL I SEEN ONE!!!!11111oneone

So what? Who cares that Joe Hippie and Jane Collegeretard are communists/socialists? Is that not their right? And if they feel there should be changes in the way our government does business, should they NOT use the constitutional means at their disposal such as the right to assemble, the right to free speech, freedoms of the press, and election to representative office? Or should they just keep their America-hatin' commie mouths shut before you pop 'em with 5 knuckles of good ol' freedom?

Isn't it ironic? Don'tcha think?

We were discussing the fact that the typical LW mantra, Joe McCarthy line, is to diss any discussion as to the aims of these idiots!
The discussion had nothing to do with freedom of speech, like you guys dissed the Tea Party for.
It has to do with their aims for our Republic! Their aims are openly communist and socialist.
The left and the Lame Stream Media are dismissing this.
Dismissing this is what I referred to as "sticking heads back into the liberal sand box"!

Catch up please.

[Midtowner]

Sorry Midtowner!
But ACORN corruption stated at the top, and was inbred in their hiring and management.
It was bred in a cultue of community organizing and Alinskyian tactics. This is what BHO personally taught the "little ones".

Who is at the top of ACORN? What evidence do you have?

[SicEmBaylor]

To the original post: Honestly, who cares? What does it really matter? Acorn is corrupt as ****; everyone knows that. Surprise! They've reorganized and are supporting the occupy movement. Is anyone shocked by this?

What exactly is the point?

[soonercruiser]

To the original post: Honestly, who cares? What does it really matter? Acorn is corrupt as ****; everyone knows that. Surprise! They've reorganized and are supporting the occupy movement. Is anyone shocked by this?

What exactly is the point?

Come on SicEm,
I know that you can read.
Read the first post - story. It is all about the new ACORN organization siphoning donations intended for "testing schools for toxins" > into the OWS anarchy.
Real nice people!

[Tulsa_Fireman]

We were discussing the fact that the typical LW mantra, Joe McCarthy line, is to diss any discussion as to the aims of these idiots!
The discussion had nothing to do with freedom of speech, like you guys dissed the Tea Party for.
It has to do with their aims for our Republic! Their aims are openly communist and socialist.
The left and the Lame Stream Media are dismissing this.
Dismissing this is what I referred to as "sticking heads back into the liberal sand box"!

Catch up please.

And you sir failed to address the point of my rebuttal.

In a flaming engined, explosive diarrhea caliber of failure, both with this post and your assumption of my "left-wingedness". The communist and socialist agendas are not questioned. Their intent, as would be prescribed by their belief, is to see our (key word here) government more accurately represent their views. Therefore, they are using their rights of assembly and speech to express their views and wont. As anti-american as it may seem, the very process being used is as american as Ben Franklin's balls.


Maybe you should realize you're playing to a red scare just like McCarthy. And maybe you should consider that as long as our great experiment lives and breathes the very freedoms these clowns are using to demonstrate their desire to LOSE these very freedoms, that your jingoistic, flag-waving tripe is unnecessary. Our republic is so much more than boogeymen and unwashed hippies. It's the freedom to be a communist and promote your cause. The freedom to level fingers at the looming marxist threat.

And the freedom to know that as long as these freedoms exist, REGARDLESS of idiocy and fear, the republic will be as Gibraltar.

[Trophy Husband]

Besides, there is no Joe McCarthy in all of this.
The facts are - that the communists and socialists in the "Occupy" crowds are more than willing to testify about it in front of cameras; and yell it at the top of their lungs!

You Libs are just ignoring the facts!
Thank GOD there are Americans who are not just dismissing this as not possible, and putting their collective heads back in the liberal sand box. :hopelessness:

(You will "see no EVIL" watching the drive-by media!)

liberals are always intellectually dishonest.

[Trophy Husband]

Fireman

why is it you espouse left wing views, and defend those views, yet when someone accuses you of being a left winger, you deny it. I love your debating style, provide no facts, only a well worded rebuttal filled with cute come backs and sprinkled with big words here and there to give the illusion of validity.

They do have the right to assemble and voice their views; we also have the right to look at how they are dressed, their actions and to listen to the things they say, then draw our own conclusions about them.
Can you provide anything in our constitution which states that we are required to accept their opinions as valid and their actions as justifiable?

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Fireman

why is it you espouse left wing views, and defend those views, yet when someone accuses you of being a left winger, you deny it. I love your debating style, provide no facts, only a well worded rebuttal filled with cute come backs and sprinkled with big words here and there to give the illusion of validity.

Since when is defending our constitutionally prescribed freedoms (REGARDLESS of who happens to be enjoying them) something to deny? To squelch a communist speaking his or her political position in a forum within the scope of his or her inalienable, God given rights is abhorrent. Just like if the right were denied to the extreme opposite of the political spectrum. Or the center. Or to ANYONE within these great United States. That is the ultimate constant in the preservation of our republic. Regardless of political opinion, regardless of stature or state, the preservation of our rights and freedoms are paramount to the overall longevity and vitality of the Union.

Tom Paine said it best.


He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.


They do have the right to assemble and voice their views; we also have the right to look at how they are dressed, their actions and to listen to the things they say, then draw our own conclusions about them.

Yes you do. Ain't freedom great?


Can you provide anything in our constitution which states that we are required to accept their opinions as valid and their actions as justifiable?

Nope. Again, ain't freedom great?

But you do have to accept their right to do so within the constraints of the law as it applies to peaceable assembly and other applicable rights. To do anything less, as my good friend Tom Paine put it, simply sets a precedence for the oppression and opens the door to your own. Doesn't mean you have to like what's said. Everyone hates Illinois Nazis. But it doesn't eliminate their ability to say it. Period. If that's supportive of a "left-wing" viewpoint, then maybe I am a "left-winger". I always thought it was about preservation of the republic and inalienable, God-given rights. Interesting.

[Trophy Husband]

well since you can't provide any constitutional basis, why do you continue to lecture us when we give our opinions of the occupy crowd? They do not have a right to assemble on private property, they do not have the right to be listened to, they do not have the right to be sympathized or empathized with.

Yet you say things like this.....


Maybe you should realize you're playing to a red scare just like McCarthy.


your jingoistic, flag-waving tripe is unnecessary.



And the freedom to know that as long as these freedoms exist, REGARDLESS of idiocy and fear, the republic will be as Gibraltar.

Typical liberal, you're for the rights of everyone who's on your side. You bad mouth us for bad mouthing the occupy crowd. Are you too dense to see the irony in that?

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Yay, I'm a typical liberal now!

If being a liberal means I believe the Constitution is sacrosanct and the preservation of the rights expressed within stands high above any inane political positioning, then hell. I guess I am. I thought I was a constitutionalist, even a libertarian. My bad.

If you'd take the red colored glasses off for 5 seconds and read, we just may get somewhere.


We were discussing the fact that the typical LW mantra, Joe McCarthy line, is to diss any discussion as to the aims of these idiots!
The discussion had nothing to do with freedom of speech, like you guys dissed the Tea Party for.
It has to do with their aims for our Republic! Their aims are openly communist and socialist.

The root of the conversation, referencing back to the original post. In other words, the conversation isn't about the offhand opinions of the Occupy members or even the posters in this thread, it was about Occupy's political positions and how they are using the current methods to effect change in government and the "fear" of such change. Along with the "idiocy" of some to assume such presented in the realm of constitutionally protected action is threat in and of itself, implying the protest in and of itself is antithesis to our representative republic. You still with me? Or are you still finger waggling at the silly liberal?

Let's put this plain. Our grand experiment is greater than all of this. The only threat posed from the protests OR table pounding, jingoistic frustration is in the assumption of the denial of the very base premise of the document as forged, the denial of these God given, inalienable rights. Let them have their say within the constraints of the law and express their aims for the government. Let us disagree vehemently within the constraints of the law and express our aims for the government. As clearly explained by the original poster, this argument isn't about free speech, it's about rising up to deny or refuse a certain dogma or belief. Once it crosses the line to denying those God given, inalienable rights prescribed to us all, the line is crossed, the glass broken, and Thomas Paine's dire warning bears fruit.

THAT'S the root of the discussion. I shouldn't have to hold your hand and walk you through it. Conservative values, socialist change, it matters not when speaking of GOD given, inalienable rights.

[Trophy Husband]

You bad mouth us for bad mouthing the occupy crowd. Are you too dense to see the irony in that?

well are you?

[Trophy Husband]

This debate has nothing to do with the occupy crowds right to assemble and voice their displeasure. We all accept that they have that right.
You however, while championing their right, are insulting us because we are exercising our right to voice our opinion on them, their actions and their spoken words.
As I sated, they have the right to assemble, they do not have the right to be listened to, agreed with and supported. Surely you would agree to that? I shouldn't have to hold your hand and walk you through it. :D

[soonercruiser]

And you sir failed to address the point of my rebuttal.

In a flaming engined, explosive diarrhea caliber of failure, both with this post and your assumption of my "left-wingedness". The communist and socialist agendas are not questioned. Their intent, as would be prescribed by their belief, is to see our (key word here) government more accurately represent their views. Therefore, they are using their rights of assembly and speech to express their views and wont. As anti-american as it may seem, the very process being used is as american as Ben Franklin's balls.
Maybe you should realize you're playing to a red scare just like McCarthy. And maybe you should consider that as long as our great experiment lives and breathes the very freedoms these clowns are using to demonstrate their desire to LOSE these very freedoms, that your jingoistic, flag-waving tripe is unnecessary. Our republic is so much more than boogeymen and unwashed hippies. It's the freedom to be a communist and promote your cause. The freedom to level fingers at the looming marxist threat.

And the freedom to know that as long as these freedoms exist, REGARDLESS of idiocy and fear, the republic will be as Gibraltar.

AND....my right to say that communists and socialists should not be listen to by anyone who cares about the Republic!
They do not have the best interests of the Republic at heart! They want to destroy the Republic, in order to create a "new order"......CHAOS!
See my Thread - "Rich Man - Poor Man"!

But - back to the original point of the post...
The new ACORN is collecting money in the name of testing schools for toxins ("the children"), and slipping that money over to OWS!
ACORN LIES! ACORN CORRUPTION - under any name!
AND - the Lame Stream Media is ignoring the story!

[soonercruiser]

But, if you are looking for a word picture....

http://members.cox.net/franklipsinic/Political/Tea%20Party%20vs%20OWS.jpg