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CrimsonCream
10/31/2011, 01:14 PM
You can always count on the fringe Loon Left.

They will always undermine, degrade and disparage a female conservative, a minority conservative or a black conservative. They will either call racist or accuse them of sexual misconduct. It happened to both Bushes and McCain. Now so it goes with Cain.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/31/2011, 01:26 PM
All's fair in love and WAR. Too bad the Rules of Engagement aren't the same for both sides. (Well, too bad a lot of things are the way they are now.)

AlboSooner
10/31/2011, 01:36 PM
If he harassed someone then paid hush hush money, people need to know who they are voting for.

This is a valid issue. Just like the left downplayed the Rev. Wright issue, the right will downplay this issue.

badger
10/31/2011, 01:42 PM
You can always count on the fringe Loon Left.

They will always undermine, degrade and disparage a female conservative, a minority conservative or a black conservative. They will either call racist or accuse them of sexual misconduct. It happened to both Bushes and McCain. Now so it goes with Cain.

Soooo... would you classify both Bushes and McCain as female conservatives, minority conservatives, or black conservatives? ;)

I am not saying that you are wrong, I am just saying that perhaps you could have listed someone besides the Bushes and McCain for your examples... Alan Keyes, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Sarah Palin and now two current presidential candidates in Herman Cain and Michelle Bachman.

MR2-Sooner86
10/31/2011, 02:07 PM
Punishment for blacks leaving the Democrat Plantation is very harsh, as we can see.

JohnnyMack
10/31/2011, 02:10 PM
You can always count on the fringe Loon Left.

They will always undermine, degrade and disparage a female conservative, a minority conservative or a black conservative. They will either call racist or accuse them of sexual misconduct. It happened to both Bushes and McCain. Now so it goes with Cain.

Yes and the right never does anything like that, never "swiftboats" anyone.

Either Cain did this or he didn't. I think it'll all come out soon enough.

Loons come in all shapes, sizes and political parties.

badger
10/31/2011, 02:31 PM
Loons come in all shapes, sizes and political parties.

Agree... and it seems that these harsh economic times are bringing out the most extreme edge of fringiness... we're not just talking the pink ledger line on the notebook paper, but the ACTUAL fringes that happen when you try to tear the page from the spiral wire notebook!

Running on the presidential ballot is basically asking for people to discover and critique that you have gone by the name Barry Hussein Soretoro, or your teen unwed daughter is preggos, or that you're really old and would be four years older by the time you leave the Oval Office, or that you were arrested for DUI and maybe didn't fly planes or had your own personal guard while you served overseas at the order of your senate daddy, or that you had billions of affairs with women less pretty than your actual wife, or that you actually believe that you invented the Internet, or that you got a lot of political donations from cigarette companies, or that you raised taxes after saying "read my lips..." the list goes on.

Midtowner
10/31/2011, 02:56 PM
If anyone's behind this, it's likely another conservative. It'd make a lot more sense for Perry or Romney to put something like this out at this point than the Democrats. Right now, the top three are vying for limited campaign support and cash and something like this whether true or false could derail a campaign.

CrimsonCream
10/31/2011, 03:17 PM
Soooo... would you classify both Bushes and McCain as female conservatives, minority conservatives, or black conservatives? ;)

I am not saying that you are wrong, I am just saying that perhaps you could have listed someone besides the Bushes and McCain for your examples... Alan Keyes, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Sarah Palin and now two current presidential candidates in Herman Cain and Michelle Bachman.

No, what I was trying to say was that both Bushes and McCain all were accused of having extramarital affairs.

badger
10/31/2011, 03:25 PM
OH! well, your sentences kind of ran together there so I was confused :D

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/31/2011, 03:33 PM
If anyone's behind this, it's likely another conservative. It'd make a lot more sense for Perry or Romney to put something like this out at this point than the Democrats. Right now, the top three are vying for limited campaign support and cash and something like this whether true or false could derail a campaign.No doubt that's a possibility, but it's the reliable MO for The Left, and in their minds, it's just WRONG for a black to be a conservative. Mostly though, I believe they fear his success the most of all the R candidates. At least right now.

TheHumanAlphabet
10/31/2011, 03:37 PM
Since Politico is keeping the "info" to themselves and not publishing, this is BS until they bring their "evidence" forward...Trying to "Dan Rather" Cain.

badger
10/31/2011, 03:39 PM
No doubt that's a possibility, but it's the reliable MO for The Left, and in their minds, it's just WRONG for a black to be a conservative. Mostly though, I believe they fear his success the most of all the R candidates. At least right now.

I doubt Dems are that worried about Herman Cain right now. Their focus is likely on what they can do with Senate/Oval Office control till early 2013... or getting enough people re-elected to retain control (or possibly regain control of the House) past this upcoming 2012 election.

You may recall that the the Bush DUI thing didn't drop till weeks (or was it days?) before the 2000 election. Dropping crap like this Cain now wouldn't have any impact on the 2012 election. It would, however, have an impact on the early Republican primaries that are about two months away now.

TheHumanAlphabet
10/31/2011, 03:40 PM
Mostly though, I believe they fear his success the most of all the R candidates. At least right now.

He77 to the yeah! The lefty's and the Lamestream media woudl hate a head to head O'bummer / Cain matchup. No one to play the race card against and two people going head to head on ideology. No hand wringing or white guilt there anymore...A self-made person vs. a government made person... I would love to see this...

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/31/2011, 03:49 PM
Dropping crap like this Cain now WOULDN'T have any impact on the 2012 election. Whaaaaat?

It would, however, have an impact on the early Republican primaries that are about two months away now.Duh! and how on Jesus' green earth could that be minimilazed?

badger
10/31/2011, 03:52 PM
DD

Forgive me, what does that stand for. Some synonym of disagreement, I assume?

Consider this: Cain's opponent is not Obama right now, nor is Obama the opponent of any other Republican candidate for president currently. His opponents in the current race are Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, etc.

You might say that the enemy of an enemy is a friend. Therefore, Democrats might consider doing what they can to help Romney and Perry in order for one of them to defeat Cain now, so that he will not face Obama later. Entirely possible.

CrimsonCream
10/31/2011, 03:54 PM
If anyone's behind this, it's likely another conservative. It'd make a lot more sense for Perry or Romney to put something like this out at this point than the Democrats. Right now, the top three are vying for limited campaign support and cash and something like this whether true or false could derail a campaign.

Very well could be but I doubt it.

We've already seen the fringe Loon Left go after Palin and Bachman inasmuch as they seem to think that the female vote is strictly theirs. As with the Black vote. Cain is on record saying he'll take at least a third of the black vote away from Obama. Loons think they own the "plantation." Then you have Rubio and the hispanic vote. The Loons are saying that he wasn't born in this Country and not qualified to be President.

It is almost too predictable.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/31/2011, 03:55 PM
The MO of the left is destruction any way they can think of for those R's that are actually or mostly conservative, or might pose a real problem for the socialist candidate of the day running in the democrat party. Then, they wait to get the weakest, least conservative, and consequently least inspiring to the R base into the nomination for the R's.

They don't terrorize the R candidate until it's time for max impact in the general election.
This is not, as they say, rocket science.

JohnnyMack
10/31/2011, 03:57 PM
The MO of the left is destruction any way they can think of for those R's that are actually or mostly conservative, or might pose a real problem for the socialist candidate of the day running in the democrat party. Then, they wait to get the weakest, least conservative, and consequently least inspiring to the R base into the nomination for the R's.

They don't terrorize the R candidate until it's time for max impact in the general election.
This is not, as they say, rocket science.

Give me an honest answer here, does the right engage in the politics of personal destruction or is that solely reserved for the left?

I'll take your answer off the air.

soonercoop1
10/31/2011, 04:07 PM
You can always count on the fringe Loon Left.

They will always undermine, degrade and disparage a female conservative, a minority conservative or a black conservative. They will either call racist or accuse them of sexual misconduct. It happened to both Bushes and McCain. Now so it goes with Cain.

Not the fringe its the current majority in the Democrat party....they are a scourge on this country...yes a disease...

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/31/2011, 04:10 PM
Give me an honest answer here, does the right engage in the politics of personal destruction or is that solely reserved for the left?

I'll take your answer off the air.If they fabricate something, and it's found to be a falsehood or error, the R that perpetuated the attack will likely pay dearly at the polls,

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/31/2011, 04:18 PM
Forgive me, what does that(DD) stand for. Some synonym of disagreement, I assume?

A: the DD was a post under construction.

Consider this: Cain's opponent is not Obama right now, nor is Obama the opponent of any other Republican candidate for president currently. His opponents in the current race are Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, etc.

A.Obama IS Cain's opponent right now. He's not attacking the other R's like the democrats want him to. He's going for the real scoundrel, Obearack hisseff.

You might say that the enemy of an enemy is a friend. Therefore, Democrats might consider doing what they can to help Romney and Perry in order for one of them to defeat Cain now, so that he will not face Obama later. Entirely possible. A to the last paragraph, is yes, sorta. They know they can't eliminate all of them at the same time, but Cain is their biggest fear right now. So, it is he who is under attack. They want Huntsman to win, but if he's too much of a lost cause, they will settle for Romney.

Midtowner
10/31/2011, 04:21 PM
Very well could be but I doubt it.

This wouldn't be uncharacteristic of Rick Perry. Remember how he went after Romney in the debates for "employing" illegal aliens?

And remember, Perry, who is running 3rd right now, stands the most to gain from a Cain stumble at this point both in terms of potential votes and campaign cash. The left on the other hand won't financially benefit from this at this point and if it wanted this to become part of the political narrative, they'd have saved this issue for the general election. It just makes no sense for leftist political operatives to be behind this. Perry, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense.

soonercoop1
10/31/2011, 04:25 PM
This wouldn't be uncharacteristic of Rick Perry. Remember how he went after Romney in the debates for "employing" illegal aliens?

And remember, Perry, who is running 3rd right now, stands the most to gain from a Cain stumble at this point both in terms of potential votes and campaign cash. The left on the other hand won't financially benefit from this at this point and if it wanted this to become part of the political narrative, they'd have saved this issue for the general election. It just makes no sense for leftist political operatives to be behind this. Perry, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense.

That would make sense if Perry wasn't concerned it would come back on him...still believe its the Democrats until proven otherwise...would be more believable about Perry if there weren't a plethora of derogatory comments concerning Cain by Democrats already...

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/31/2011, 04:28 PM
Once again, when the Right issues personal attacks, they had better be sure they aren't witchunts. The Left doesn't have to worry as much about validity of their personal attacks, with their backing from the Media.

Hey Midtowner and Johnny Mack, and the other Lefties on this board, pls. stop playing stupid, and acting like you don't know this stuff. You're (hopefully) not fooling anyone here. You might go be a grade school or high school teacher or something like that, where the young minds are susceptible to the horseshi* you offer up.

East Coast Bias
10/31/2011, 06:10 PM
This is just the vetting process in action, this guy hasn't been in the limelight before. Same thing happened to Perry when the skeletons started coming out of the closet.I wouldn't be surprised at what else comes out. No way Cain survives this, which is a shame, the left would love to have this guy as the candidate. Even the smell of this takes him out of the race. The Republicans don't seem to cozy with Romney but he has been well-vetted and still is their best chance.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/31/2011, 06:36 PM
This is just the vetting process in action, this guy hasn't been in the limelight before. Same thing happened to Perry when the skeletons started coming out of the closet.I wouldn't be surprised at what else comes out. No way Cain survives this, which is a shame, the left would love to have this guy as the candidate. Even the smell of this takes him out of the race. The Republicans don't seem to cozy with Romney but he has been well-vetted and still is their best chance.What a CROCK! sszzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Try it somewhere else! haha

Midtowner
10/31/2011, 06:59 PM
That would make sense if Perry wasn't concerned it would come back on him...still believe its the Democrats until proven otherwise...would be more believable about Perry if there weren't a plethora of derogatory comments concerning Cain by Democrats already...

If there's even a grain of truth to it (and there appears to be at first glance), then how would it come back on Perry? Perry is getting his butt handed to him and has to do something to get back in the game. Usually, that's tear down the next convenient target.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/31/2011, 07:31 PM
If there's even a grain of truth to it (and there appears to be at first glance), then how would it come back on Perry? Perry is getting his butt handed to him and has to do something to get back in the game. Usually, that's tear down the next convenient target.It's Romney, beetches!

JohnnyMack
10/31/2011, 08:14 PM
Once again, when the Right issues personal attacks, they had better be sure they aren't witchunts. The Left doesn't have to worry as much about validity of their personal attacks, with their backing from the Media.

Hey Midtowner and Johnny Mack, and the other Lefties on this board, pls. stop playing stupid, and acting like you don't know this stuff. You're (hopefully) not fooling anyone here. You might go be a grade school or high school teacher or something like that, where the young minds are susceptible to the horseshi* you offer up.

Listen up tickle-nuts, I don't really want to vote for Obama. He does nothing for me. But I refuse to vote for anti-intellectual **** bags like Bachmann, Perry et al. I'd vote for Romney if things don't improve, I respect the hell out of Ron Paul but I'm not confident he'll push through.

You on the other hand are just like your clone, you engage in attacks and character assassination and refuse to offer an opinion of your own.

BU BEAR
10/31/2011, 09:12 PM
This is just the vetting process in action, this guy hasn't been in the limelight before. Same thing happened to Perry when the skeletons started coming out of the closet.I wouldn't be surprised at what else comes out. No way Cain survives this, which is a shame, the left would love to have this guy as the candidate. Even the smell of this takes him out of the race. The Republicans don't seem to cozy with Romney but he has been well-vetted and still is their best chance.

Any word on when the vetting process will begin for Obama?

Turd_Ferguson
10/31/2011, 09:34 PM
Any word on when the vetting process will begin for Obama?You must be a racist...

soonercruiser
10/31/2011, 09:35 PM
Alphabet,
This is all that Politico intended....throw some **** against the wall about a black conservative, and see who else runs with the rumor.

Cain has already made a statement!
"Nothing to it"! I was exonorated!" If the Restaurant Assoc. settled with money, I don't know the deatils"!
It's Clarence Thomas all over again!

As has been alluded to, the LW loons want this poor black conservative back on the plantation......all blacks need to be poor and dependant on the Demoncratic Party, as far as they are concerned.
Witness: The absence of any LW media stories on Clinton and the ladies he molested; and John Edwards.
"DOUBLE STANDARD" of reporting.
***WHAT THE LEFT IS REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IS.......Obama having to run against a "fully" black conservative. So, their plan is to destroy Cain, and have MiTT Romney be the Repug candidate.

soonercruiser
10/31/2011, 09:37 PM
You must be a racist...

Don't you mean Half-Racist?
:upset:

diverdog
10/31/2011, 10:50 PM
Alphabet,
This is all that Politico intended....throw some **** against the wall about a black conservative, and see who else runs with the rumor.

Cain has already made a statement!
"Nothing to it"! I was exonorated!" If the Restaurant Assoc. settled with money, I don't know the deatils"!
It's Clarence Thomas all over again!

As has been alluded to, the LW loons want this poor black conservative back on the plantation......all blacks need to be poor and dependant on the Demoncratic Party, as far as they are concerned.
Witness: The absence of any LW media stories on Clinton and the ladies he molested; and John Edwards.
"DOUBLE STANDARD" of reporting.
***WHAT THE LEFT IS REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IS.......Obama having to run against a "fully" black conservative. So, their plan is to destroy Cain, and have MiTT Romney be the Repug candidate.

The problem Cain has is it is more than one pay off.

Your rant about Clinton and Edwards is just silly. They both received tons of coverage.

Oh by the way Cain has made at least a half dozen statements on this situation and all of them were contradictory. If anyone is to blame for the predicament he is in then it is Cain and no one else.

BU BEAR
10/31/2011, 11:07 PM
You must be a racist...

LOL!

SanJoaquinSooner
10/31/2011, 11:27 PM
no way would a lib make this up now for political gain. Cain is gold for the libs during pub primary season.

cleller
11/1/2011, 08:58 AM
Don't you mean Half-Racist?
:upset:

Yeah, why do people think Obama is black anyway? He was raised in white households, spent time in Hawaii and Indonesia. He must privately think its funny.
Now I don't mean that as either insult or compliment, just an observation. Don't froth on me.

AlboSooner
11/1/2011, 11:40 AM
Yeah, why do people think Obama is black anyway? He was raised in white households, spent time in Hawaii and Indonesia. He must privately think its funny.
Now I don't mean that as either insult or compliment, just an observation. Don't froth on me.

This is a very anthropological/modern view of race and I applaud you sir.

In the West however race is based on the phenotype. For example many think of Blake Griffin as a white guy. Not half-white but white. In fact there was a debate in ESPN, whether Blake Griffin is an inspiration to all white basketball players.

TheHumanAlphabet
11/1/2011, 12:26 PM
Yeah, why do people think Obama is black anyway? He was raised in white households, spent time in Hawaii and Indonesia. He must privately think its funny.
Now I don't mean that as either insult or compliment, just an observation. Don't froth on me.

+1

O'bummer did not live or grow up the way the Blacks in this country seem to want to portray. He has about as much in common with their view as Romney does... I would argue that Cain probably is closer to understanding that than O'bummer, only Cain is the devil because he is about personal responsibility and conservative, not espousing the government teat like O'bummer does.

cleller
11/1/2011, 01:55 PM
I'm guessing the women that made the complaints probably signed a pretty tightly sewn settlement and cannot talk about what happened without risking more legal hassles. I'd like to know what it was that allegedly happened thought. Was it:

Hey baby, I'm the Godfather, let me make you an offer you can't refuse
or
Brett Favre can't touch this, but you can
or
I've got some Dr. Pepper, lets have a real good time.

Dan Thompson
11/1/2011, 02:14 PM
It's similar to football, always hate/attach the leader. If you can't bring him/her down with facts, try rumors or lies.

CrimsonCream
11/1/2011, 04:23 PM
Any word on when the vetting process will begin for Obama?

I was thing exactly the same thing.

SanJoaquinSooner
11/1/2011, 11:05 PM
I'm standing up for Herman through thick and thin. It is not true that he went over to his desk to get his slice of pizza and said, "Who has pubic hair on my pepperoni?"

soonercruiser
11/2/2011, 11:30 AM
If the immoral lawyers for any of these women dare leak details out on one side, Mark Levin and the Legal Foundation has pledged to sue for all details, names, charges, etc in the original complaint!
Let the "facts" be known!

JohnnyMack
11/2/2011, 01:32 PM
I think it's pathetic that Cain has opted to play the race card here. Either he did it or he didn't. But to blame it on his race is just sorry.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/2/2011, 01:37 PM
I think it's pathetic that Cain has opted to play the race card here. Either he did it or he didn't. But to blame it on his race is just sorry.Oh, the SHAME! haha

diverdog
11/2/2011, 01:41 PM
If the immoral lawyers for any of these women dare leak details out on one side, Mark Levin and the Legal Foundation has pledged to sue for all details, names, charges, etc in the original complaint!
Let the "facts" be known!

Oh so Cain is the only one that can tell his version of the story? The minute he mentioned the settlement all bets were off.

Honestly I wish he would win. He show cases the fringe right in this country nicely.

As for Mark Levin....he is a loudmouth POS.

diverdog
11/2/2011, 01:44 PM
Alphabet,
This is all that Politico intended....throw some **** against the wall about a black conservative, and see who else runs with the rumor.

Cain has already made a statement!
"Nothing to it"! I was exonorated!" If the Restaurant Assoc. settled with money, I don't know the deatils"!
It's Clarence Thomas all over again!

As has been alluded to, the LW loons want this poor black conservative back on the plantation......all blacks need to be poor and dependant on the Demoncratic Party, as far as they are concerned.
Witness: The absence of any LW media stories on Clinton and the ladies he molested; and John Edwards.
"DOUBLE STANDARD" of reporting.
***WHAT THE LEFT IS REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IS.......Obama having to run against a "fully" black conservative. So, their plan is to destroy Cain, and have MiTT Romney be the Repug candidate.

GMAFB! This was the work of the Republican opposition research teams. Poltics 101.

SoonerLaw09
11/2/2011, 01:57 PM
Honestly I wish he would win. He show cases the fringe right in this country nicely.

Yeah, he sure does. Comes from a poor family, got a good education, went to college and grad school, worked his way up in the food marketing and service industry with 2 major corporations, became CEO of a major restaurant chain and head of a trade organization. Definitely a nut-job. Just hides his tinfoil hat until the cameras are off.

:rolleyes:

Midtowner
11/2/2011, 02:15 PM
So what's the problem with having the whole truth be known? I'd like to hear Cain's side of it as well as the alleged victims' accounts of what happened. Vetting is what primaries are for. I think the voters would be more accepting of someone who admits he did a bad thing or two many years ago and paid a price for it more than someone who hides behind a secret settlement.

SoonerLaw09
11/2/2011, 02:59 PM
Problem is, even if there is a settlement, it will contain no admission of wrondoing by Cain or the Restaurant Association. Standard language. So publishing the settlement will not prove or disprove anything. It will just say that the parties wished to avoid the time and cost of a lawsuit. Happens all the time, and whether or not any of the alleged claims actually hold water is often of no consideration. Because in the good ol' US of A, you can sue anybody for anything, and they have to defend it. Plus, it's absurdly easy to make a case for sexual harassment that will at least stand up long enough to make the employer spend a ****load of money on legal fees, even if there's nothing to it. The victim mentality in this country is startling.

Midtowner
11/2/2011, 03:29 PM
Problem is, even if there is a settlement, it will contain no admission of wrondoing by Cain or the Restaurant Association. Standard language. So publishing the settlement will not prove or disprove anything.

Then why not publish it?


It will just say that the parties wished to avoid the time and cost of a lawsuit. Happens all the time, and whether or not any of the alleged claims actually hold water is often of no consideration. Because in the good ol' US of A, you can sue anybody for anything, and they have to defend it. Plus, it's absurdly easy to make a case for sexual harassment that will at least stand up long enough to make the employer spend a ****load of money on legal fees, even if there's nothing to it. The victim mentality in this country is startling.

That's absolute malarkey.

Turd_Ferguson
11/2/2011, 04:42 PM
Oh so Cain is the only one that can tell his version of the story? The minute he mentioned the settlement all bets were off.

Honestly I wish he would win. He show cases the fringe right in this country nicely.

As for Mark Levin....he is a loudmouth POS.Uhm...no. It was mentioned by the so called victim. She signed on the dotted line to not speak about it. The suit was between her and the NRA, not her and Cain...

East Coast Bias
11/2/2011, 04:52 PM
All of the details of this are sure to come out over the next week as the vetting process grinds along. Today the AP reports there is a third woman. We all know just as Herman does that names, dates, witnesses are all going to hit the airwaves soon; I am sure he is perfecting the next stage of his damage control.His response so far seems a bit like Weiner's and we know where that ended.I find all the conspiracy theories that have been rolled out here amusing but side with Midtowner on this one. Why not just let the truth come out and deal with it?

BU BEAR
11/2/2011, 04:54 PM
If the lady's or ladies' peace was purchased many years ago, then why should the NRA allow her to re-litigate the matter in the court of public opinion today? If they waive the non-disclosure covenant, then should she not pay back her settlement $$$ or a good portion of it?

BU BEAR
11/2/2011, 04:55 PM
I am sure he is perfecting the next stage of his damage control.

I would not bet on it. His campaign and those leading it are not what one might call sophisticated.

East Coast Bias
11/2/2011, 05:00 PM
All of the details of this are sure to come out over the next week as the vetting process grinds along. Today the AP reports there is a third woman. We all know just as Herman does that names, dates, witnesses are all going to hit the airwaves soon; I am sure he is perfecting the next stage of his damage control.His response so far seems a bit like Weiner's and we know where that ended.I find all the conspiracy theories that have been rolled out here amusing but side with Midtowner on this one. Why not just let the truth come out and deal with it?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/2/2011, 05:08 PM
...(I) side with Midtowner ON THIS ONE.Really?...SURPRISE!haha

soonercoop1
11/2/2011, 05:23 PM
No one has been interviewed yet and the only one was some attorney that said a women wanted to tell her story but had a confidentiality agreement. Guess that wasn't true either...the settlement was severence pay...

soonercoop1
11/2/2011, 05:24 PM
All of the details of this are sure to come out over the next week as the vetting process grinds along. Today the AP reports there is a third woman. We all know just as Herman does that names, dates, witnesses are all going to hit the airwaves soon; I am sure he is perfecting the next stage of his damage control.His response so far seems a bit like Weiner's and we know where that ended.I find all the conspiracy theories that have been rolled out here amusing but side with Midtowner on this one. Why not just let the truth come out and deal with it?

What vetting process? The one that was used on Obama?

badger
11/2/2011, 05:48 PM
Big shot guys be warned: The chicks you've used and dumped over the years will get their vengeance at the worst possible times :)

northspeter
11/2/2011, 05:48 PM
non-overtly sexual gesture.... WTF is that???

badger
11/2/2011, 06:02 PM
non-overtly sexual gesture.... WTF is that???

If I had to guess...
http://www.tonyrogers.com/humor/images/tree_flipping_bird.jpg

Serge Ibaka
11/2/2011, 07:33 PM
Cain isn't a crappy Republican candidate because he is black. Cain is a crappy Republican candidate because he doesn't have any positions on anything (save "9-9-9"). He's a non-entity. He's a wind-up doll.

Obama would destroy him. Everybody knows it.

BU BEAR
11/2/2011, 07:47 PM
Obama would destroy him. Everybody knows it.

The only thing Obama destroys is the economy. Everything else is in play.

Serge Ibaka
11/2/2011, 08:02 PM
The only thing Obama destroys is the economy. Everything else is in play.
Yeah. If McCain had won, everything would be Clinton-1990s up in here...

Thanks for ruining the economy, Obama! *shakes fist*

Give me a break.

Midtowner
11/2/2011, 08:14 PM
No one has been interviewed yet and the only one was some attorney that said a women wanted to tell her story but had a confidentiality agreement. Guess that wasn't true either...the settlement was severence pay...

Says who? Cain? A reliable source to be certain!

BU BEAR
11/2/2011, 08:34 PM
Yeah. If McCain had won, everything would be Clinton-1990s up in here...

Thanks for ruining the economy, Obama! *shakes fist*

Give me a break.

Sure, Obama's hostility toward business has nothing to do with it. Just like his admonition against having business functions in Vegas has nothing to do with their problems. I don't care what that Democrat Steve Wynn says. There can be no connection between Obama and the poor economy. But, that is only because you will hear nothing of the sort.

Fact is we are entering Obama's fourth year. This is now his economy. He owns it.

Serge Ibaka
11/2/2011, 09:26 PM
Sure, Obama's hostility toward business has nothing to do with it. Just like his admonition against having business functions in Vegas has nothing to do with their problems. I don't care what that Democrat Steve Wynn says. There can be no connection between Obama and the poor economy. But, that is only because you will hear nothing of the sort.

Fact is we are entering Obama's fourth year. This is now his economy. He owns it.

That's fine; so long as you agree that it's Bush's fault for tanking it after Clinton...

At least make your short-sighted generalizations consistent.

SoonerLaw09
11/2/2011, 09:49 PM
Then why not publish it?

Confidentiality clause, which is also standard. It's done that way so that every Jill and Jane coming down the pike doesn't have a template to sue the company from here to eternity. Plus, most companies who settle these things don't want the reputation of being pushovers, thus inviting more claims.


That's absolute malarkey.

Only an uninformed person would make such a statement. I'm not gonna lay out my resume for you, but trust me, I know what I'm talking about. I'm somewhat of an expert in this stuff.

SoonerLaw09
11/2/2011, 09:57 PM
That's fine; so long as you agree that it's Bush's fault for tanking it after Clinton...

At least make your short-sighted generalizations consistent.

It's not the President's fault. It goes a lot deeper than that. It's really the "I want it all and I want it now" mentality of most Americans which drives this, whether it's a corporate Wall Street fat cat, or the person wanting to buy a home they cannot afford, or the bank who will lend them the money to do so.

The President has just about zero effect on the economy, yet he's the one who always gets blamed for it. In our system of government, the Feds have no business sticking their nose into the free market. The House and Senate, collectively, are the guilty parties when they run up enormous debt and thereby damage the economy. Recovery doesn't happen if the government spends more and taxes more. Recovery happens naturally when the market adjusts itself over time, without government interference. Failed policies of so-called "fair housing", over-regulating, and the actions of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac caused the real estate plunge which in turn killed the banking sector and everything else. Get rid of those things and things will start to smooth out.

BU BEAR
11/2/2011, 10:05 PM
That's fine; so long as you agree that it's Bush's fault for tanking it after Clinton...

At least make your short-sighted generalizations consistent.

Yeah, sure. It was Bush's fault. Is Bush running against Obama in 2012? Then, it is not particularly relevant. Obama's record on the economy is what matters in 2012. Goodness, you are a total dunce.

SanJoaquinSooner
11/2/2011, 10:54 PM
http://cdn.newsoxy.com/2011/10/herman-cain-smoking-e1319997996480.jpg

I want to know where Cain stands on smoking after sexual harassment.

Serge Ibaka
11/2/2011, 10:54 PM
Yeah, sure. It was Bush's fault.

Well, with the GOP-field retaining economic policies that look an awful-lot like GWB's, I'd say we're pretty well screwed, huh?

I don't even see why you'd vote one-way or the other.

Serge Ibaka
11/2/2011, 10:56 PM
It's not the President's fault. It goes a lot deeper than that.

The President has just about zero effect on the economy, yet he's the one who always gets blamed for it.

This was my point the entire time, SoonerLaw. I was poking-fun at BU BEAR for conveniently scapegoating a single entity (who he didn't like to begin with).

BU BEAR
11/2/2011, 11:04 PM
Well, with the GOP-field retaining economic policies that look an awful-lot like GWB's, I'd say we're pretty well screwed, huh?

I don't even see why you'd vote one-way or the other.

I will take the economy of 2008 over the economy of 2011 right now. I will take a $500 billion deficit over a $1.5 trillion deficit.

BU BEAR
11/2/2011, 11:08 PM
This was my point the entire time, SoonerLaw. I was poking-fun at BU BEAR for conveniently scapegoating a single entity (who he didn't like to begin with).

No, you just cannot help but slobber all over Obama. The voters will not wade into some philosophical discourse over what makes the economy prosper or fail in 2012. They will look at the state of affairs and the incumbent. If the economy does not improve, then the incumbent is gone. Period.

Obama has helped wreck the economy because he pushes failed Keynsian policies. Keynes has been discredited, but that wont stop Obama. He has a point to make.

Serge Ibaka
11/2/2011, 11:10 PM
If the economy does not improve, then the incumbent is gone. Period.

That'd be great if the GOP had a single candidate who wasn't a bumbling imbecile. They do not.

The whole party is going to reluctantly back into a Romney nomination if only because he's the only "presidential" one (how easy he'd have it won if he were Methodist!). This entire Primary-Race is pathetic.


No, you just cannot help but slobber all over Obama.

I cannot recall any Obama-slobbering. I'm pretty luke-warm on the guy.

I've only pointed out the silliness of your rampant and short-sighted bias ("OBAMA KILLED THE ECONOMY!"--as if the problem is only 3 years old or so easily corrected).

I did say that he would destroy Cain. But that's not really Obama-slobbering; it's fact--Cain is a complete non-entity with a sexual-harassment scandal below his belt. Has he really said anything of substance beyond 9-9-9? Cain wouldn't stand a chance head-to-head unless Jesus was on his ticket (and there's no chance of that--everybody knows that Jesus was a liberal).

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/3/2011, 12:32 AM
Says who? Cain? A reliable source to be certain!You guys REALLY DO want the Brave New World, don't you?

SoonerLaw09
11/3/2011, 06:08 AM
That'd be great if the GOP had a single candidate who wasn't a bumbling imbecile. They do not.

The whole party is going to reluctantly back into a Romney nomination if only because he's the only "presidential" one (how easy he'd have it won if he were Methodist!). This entire Primary-Race is pathetic.



I cannot recall any Obama-slobbering. I'm pretty luke-warm on the guy.

I've only pointed out the silliness of your rampant and short-sighted bias ("OBAMA KILLED THE ECONOMY!"--as if the problem is only 3 years old or so easily corrected).

I did say that he would destroy Cain. But that's not really Obama-slobbering; it's fact--Cain is a complete non-entity with a sexual-harassment scandal below his belt. Has he really said anything of substance beyond 9-9-9? Cain wouldn't stand a chance head-to-head unless Jesus was on his ticket (and there's no chance of that--everybody knows that Jesus was a liberal).

There are a lot of people on the left who are just assuming that what you say is correct and going about their business. I think you may find yourself surprised at the outcome next year. Obama is *not* popular and it's getting worse for him daily. It's his ideas that represent epic fail. He thinks a trillion-dollar deficit is a good idea. He should be voted out just for that alone. Not because he personally is killing the recovery, but because he hasn't got a clue how to run the country. By agreeing that the economy is not his fault (nor any other President's) I'm not giving him a pass. His liberal policies are mired in the political groupthink of 50 years ago which we now know does not work and will never work.

I'd like to know how you would fix the economy.

diverdog
11/3/2011, 06:15 AM
http://cdn.newsoxy.com/2011/10/herman-cain-smoking-e1319997996480.jpg

I want to know where Cain stands on smoking after sexual harassment.

He formed an alliance with big tobacco while he was a lobbiest. The guy is the ulltimate DC insider.

Midtowner
11/3/2011, 06:20 AM
Obama is *not* popular and it's getting worse for him daily.

According to whom? He's led all but the generic Republican who doesn't exist since the outset of the race and that's never changed.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Midtowner
11/3/2011, 06:50 AM
Looks like Rick Perry's campaign is probably behind this after all.


Washington (CNN) - Oklahoma Republican political consultant Chris Wilson confirmed to CNN that he witnessed Herman Cain demonstrate inappropriate conduct toward a female employee while he led the National restaurant Association. Wilson first made this charge Wednesday in an interview with KTOK, an Oklahoma radio station.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-confirms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/

Chris Wilson is currently employed by the Perry campaign.

TheHumanAlphabet
11/3/2011, 09:04 AM
Obama would destroy him. Everybody knows it.

In your dreams... O'bummer is destroying his own self and without Rahm, couldn't destroy anyone.

BU BEAR
11/3/2011, 09:13 AM
Looks like Rick Perry's campaign is probably behind this after all.



http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-confirms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/

Chris Wilson is currently employed by the Perry campaign.

Perry is done. He is not ready for prime time. He is not ready for anything more than a very weak governorship. He should do everyone a favor and drop out. Now.

SoonerLaw09
11/3/2011, 09:48 AM
According to whom? He's led all but the generic Republican who doesn't exist since the outset of the race and that's never changed.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

President Obama Job Approval Rasmussen Reports Approve 46, Disapprove 52 Disapprove +6

What this tells me is that once we get past the primaries Obama has an uphill climb. The only reason he leads individual repubs is because everyone's divided on the various repub primary candidates. Once it goes to the general we'll see. Also, some of those so-called "leads" are within the margin of error of the poll.

Understand, I'm not saying it won't be close. There are enough sheep in this country who will just vote for Obama for no reason at all, just because someone tells them to. The independents, as always, will make the difference.

TheHumanAlphabet
11/3/2011, 10:46 AM
Perry is done. He is not ready for prime time. He is not ready for anything more than a very weak governorship. He should do everyone a favor and drop out. Now.

This I tend to agree with. He may come back later, but now, he is not ready for prime time IMO.

Midtowner
11/3/2011, 10:47 AM
President Obama Job Approval Rasmussen Reports Approve 46, Disapprove 52 Disapprove +6

What this tells me is that once we get past the primaries Obama has an uphill climb. The only reason he leads individual repubs is because everyone's divided on the various repub primary candidates. Once it goes to the general we'll see. Also, some of those so-called "leads" are within the margin of error of the poll.

Understand, I'm not saying it won't be close. There are enough sheep in this country who will just vote for Obama for no reason at all, just because someone tells them to. The independents, as always, will make the difference.

If you read through all of those polls, they pitted individual 'pub candidates vs. Obama. Obama wins against all but the generic (non-existent) Republican.

BU BEAR
11/3/2011, 11:04 AM
If you read through all of those polls, they pitted individual 'pub candidates vs. Obama. Obama wins against all but the generic (non-existent) Republican.

So, the public knows little about the individual Republican candidates and shy away from them when a specific name is brought up. But, they do know that they would vote for a faceless Republican over Obama.

Midtowner
11/3/2011, 12:32 PM
So, the public knows little about the individual Republican candidates and shy away from them when a specific name is brought up. But, they do know that they would vote for a faceless Republican over Obama.

Or rather Obama over the individual Republicans we have because....

1) Cain = empty suit
2) Romney = says whatever will get him elected
3) Perry = LOL
4) Bachman = LOL
5) Paul = too libertarian

sappstuf
11/3/2011, 02:14 PM
1) Obama = empty suit
2) Obama = says whatever will get him elected
3) Obama = LOL
4) Obama = LOL

It is hard to argue your point....

BU BEAR
11/3/2011, 02:41 PM
Or rather Obama over the individual Republicans we have because....

1) Cain = empty suit
2) Romney = says whatever will get him elected
3) Perry = LOL
4) Bachman = LOL
5) Paul = too libertarian

That is awesome. I bet the internals do not come anywhere near supporting your above contention. But, facts are just stupid things anyway.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/3/2011, 03:22 PM
Or rather Obama over the individual Republicans we have because....

1) Cain = empty suit
2) Romney = says whatever will get him elected
3) Perry = LOL
4) Bachman = LOL
5) Paul = too libertarianCain isn't finished. His high-tech lynching is far from over.
Bachmann lol ?. Not sure about that, either. Perry IS prolly finished.

JohnnyMack
11/3/2011, 03:32 PM
Cain isn't finished. His high-tech lynching is far from over.
Bachmann lol ?. Not sure about that, either. Perry IS prolly finished.

Race Card Violation.

Played by RLIMC

11/03/11 3:22 p.m.

diverdog
11/3/2011, 04:01 PM
I will take the economy of 2008 over the economy of 2011 right now. I will take a $500 billion deficit over a $1.5 trillion deficit.

Wow you have no clue.

BU BEAR
11/3/2011, 04:24 PM
Wow you have no clue.

I know that unemployment is way up and so is the deficit since Obama took over. What has been Obama's response to the the increasing deficit and rising unemployment? To want to spend even more money we do not have and waste resources on discredited Keynsian programs.

Trophy Husband
11/3/2011, 04:29 PM
How any human with a modicum of common sense can say they approve of Obama and his policies is beyond me. I don't care if you're a liberal or a conservative, Obama has been a massive fail. The left can't get over their hatred for Bush or anything not big government long enough to pay attention to what their boy is doing to this economy. They still support the horribly failed policies Obama has enacted and are all in for doing the same damn thing again. It's like a guy trying to stop a tank by throwing pebbles at it one at at time. He keeps blaming the pebbles for not being able to stop the tank.

soonercoop1
11/3/2011, 04:30 PM
Cain isn't a crappy Republican candidate because he is black. Cain is a crappy Republican candidate because he doesn't have any positions on anything (save "9-9-9"). He's a non-entity. He's a wind-up doll.

Obama would destroy him. Everybody knows it.

Just like Obama?

SoonerLaw09
11/3/2011, 04:31 PM
Wow you have no clue.

And you have nothing. When you can string a logical argument together and have something more than ad hominem, then come back. Until then, be quiet. plzkthx.

soonercoop1
11/3/2011, 04:41 PM
Cain is great especially since Dems and the Repub establishment fear him...he's my choice...

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/3/2011, 05:27 PM
Cain is great especially since Dems and the Repub establishment fear him...he's my choice...I have a hunch he will get through this "high-tech" lynching, and come out stronger.

sappstuf
11/3/2011, 06:29 PM
Wow you have no clue.

Do we have more jobs? No. Do we have lower unemployment? No. Do we have a more balanced federal budget? No. Do we have increasing household income? No.

Serge Ibaka
11/3/2011, 07:37 PM
I have a hunch he will get through this "high-tech" lynching, and come out stronger.

I still say that it's impossible to click through Cain's own website and get any sense of the man.

Seriously. Read these pages. http://www.hermancain.com/the-issues

He's a walking talking-point. The entire thing is empty rhetoric. He doesn't say anything except what you want to hear.

The dude is weak. And the GOP's inability to see this (his non-personage) is laughable.

Caboose
11/3/2011, 07:47 PM
I still say that it's impossible to click through Cain's own website and get any sense of the man.

Seriously. Read these pages. http://www.hermancain.com/the-issues

He's a walking talking-point. The entire thing is empty rhetoric. He doesn't say anything except what you want to hear.

The dude is weak. And the GOP's inability to see this (his non-personage) is laughable.

IMO you forfeited your right to critique another candidate on those points the moment you voted for President Hopey-Changey.

Serge Ibaka
11/3/2011, 07:49 PM
IMO you forfeited your right to critique another candidate on those points the moment you voted for President Hopey-Changey.
So you agree that Cain is a non-person, a weak candidate, and in all probability, a total pu**y (but I'm just not allowed to talk about it?).

Kay.

BU BEAR
11/3/2011, 07:59 PM
I like Herman Cain because he is not a politician. However, because he is not a politician, I do not think he has the resources and contacts available that would enable him to cobble together a solid cabinet and other key appointments. I was excited about Herman Cain, but after thinking about it, I am not real sure he can have a successful administration without knowing some solid insiders.

I am gravitating toward Newt because he is definitely the brightest of the lot, embodies solid conservative values, and would have access to the intellectual capital necessary to have a solid core around him.

Caboose
11/3/2011, 08:04 PM
So you agree that Cain is a non-person, a weak candidate, and in all probability, a total pu**y (but I'm just not allowed to talk about it?).

Kay.

No. I dont agree at all. Come on, try to think for yourself for a change.

Serge Ibaka
11/3/2011, 08:05 PM
No. I dont agree at all. Come on, try to think for yourself for a change.

Then you didn't click around his site. His non-personage is impossible to miss!

soonercruiser
11/3/2011, 10:28 PM
IMO you forfeited your right to critique another candidate on those points the moment you voted for President Hopey-Changey.

+1 :applouse:
When a Demoncrat makes a suggestion who a conservative should like.......:hopelessness:

diverdog
11/3/2011, 10:35 PM
Do we have more jobs? No. Do we have lower unemployment? No. Do we have a more balanced federal budget? No. Do we have increasing household income? No.

Maybe you and BUBear forget that in 2008 we had a the failure of Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and many other global investment banking firms. There was a world wide credit freeze that threatened to bring down such global giants as GE and cause a major global depression. The worlds largest banks were on the brink of collapse and the economy started to shed jobs at the rate of 750,000/month. There was a real possibility that AIG was going under and millions of people were about to lose their investments and pensions. That year started one of the greatest collapses of regional banking systems in the history of our country. Oh and just in case you and BU forgot the deficit at the end of 2008 had exploded with the injection of cash into the financial system. The debt at the end of the year was not $500 billion but over a trillion including the $700 billion TARP program. Yeah 2008 was a really great year.

BU BEAR
11/3/2011, 10:46 PM
Maybe you and BUBear forget that in 2008 we had a the failure of Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and many other global investment banking firms. There was a world wide credit freeze that threatened to bring down such global giants as GE and cause a major global depression. The worlds largest banks were on the brink of collapse and the economy started to shed jobs at the rate of 750,000/month. There was a real possibility that AIG was going under and millions of people were about to lose their investments and pensions. That year started one of the greatest collapses of regional banking systems in the history of our country. Oh and just in case you and BU forgot the deficit at the end of 2008 had exploded with the injection of cash into the financial system. The debt at the end of the year was not $500 billion but over a trillion including the $700 billion TARP program. Yeah 2008 was a really great year.

No one has forgotten 2008. We just note that the deficit is still $1.5 Trillion and unemployment is higher than it was in 2008. Obama got his Stimulus passed. He promised that spending the Stimulus money would hold unemployment under 8%. It did not work out that way. We are sitting over 9% today and have been stuck there for a good while. Obama failed, but what is a few hundred billion between friends?

Obama is ineffective on the economy. Period.

diverdog
11/3/2011, 10:58 PM
No one has forgotten 2008. We just note that the deficit is still $1.5 Trillion and unemployment is higher than it was in 2008.

Obama is ineffective on the economy. Period.

You realize that a good chunk of the deficit would be there regardless of which party is in power. The deficit is being driven by ongoing tax cuts, a two front war, servicing of the outstanding debt, loss of tax revenue from unemployment, more people on SS and Medicare and unemployment. On top of all that there is no surplus in the SS system to raid and the $200 billion or so that was raided each year to mask the debt is now gone.

As for Obama and his ability to deal with the economy I will agree with you to a point. He can only do so much and I would say some but not all his policies have been ineffective. The biggest issue anyone would be facing right now is the lack of lending to small businesses coupled with a housing market that is still in decline. Throw in the structural problems with the European debt crisis and you have an environment that is not conducive to growth.

There is nothing.....absolutely nothing that you can say that will make me believe that the Republicans have any better handle on this situation than the Democrats. Your man Newt was one of the biggest pork barrel guys in the House of Representatives and his "conservative credentials" are not that solid.

BU BEAR
11/3/2011, 11:06 PM
You realize that a good chunk of the deficit would be there regardless of which party is in power. The deficit is being driven by ongoing tax cuts, a two front war, servicing of the outstanding debt, loss of tax revenue from unemployment, more people on SS and Medicare and unemployment. On top of all that there is no surplus in the SS system to raid and the $200 billion or so that was raided each year to mask the debt is now gone.

As for Obama and his ability to deal with the economy I will agree with you to a point. He can only do so much and I would say some but not all his policies have been ineffective. The biggest issue anyone would be facing right now is the lack of lending to small businesses coupled with a housing market that is still in decline. Throw in the structural problems with the European debt crisis and you have an environment that is not conducive to growth.

There is nothing.....absolutely nothing that you can say that will make me believe that the Republicans have any better handle on this situation than the Democrats. Your man Newt was one of the biggest pork barrel guys in the House of Representatives and his "conservative credentials" are not that solid.

You don't stop chattering do you? The only thing that matters to voters is what has happened the past four years. They do not care about the structural problems with the budget. They know that unemployment is over 9%, it got worse during the present administration, they know the nation never had a deficit of $1 trillion or more until Obama took office--he treated us to 4 straight years of $1 Trillion+ deficits. Those are the end results. That is really all that matters. Obama = Ineffective = Carter II.

Chatter on.

sappstuf
11/3/2011, 11:24 PM
Maybe you and BUBear forget that in 2008 we had a the failure of Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and many other global investment banking firms. There was a world wide credit freeze that threatened to bring down such global giants as GE and cause a major global depression. The worlds largest banks were on the brink of collapse and the economy started to shed jobs at the rate of 750,000/month. There was a real possibility that AIG was going under and millions of people were about to lose their investments and pensions. That year started one of the greatest collapses of regional banking systems in the history of our country. Oh and just in case you and BU forgot the deficit at the end of 2008 had exploded with the injection of cash into the financial system. The debt at the end of the year was not $500 billion but over a trillion including the $700 billion TARP program. Yeah 2008 was a really great year.

That is a nice paragraph giving Bush credit for passing TARP and saving the world economy.... Now what has Obama done since then?

Serge Ibaka
11/3/2011, 11:28 PM
You don't stop chattering do you? The only thing that matters to voters is what has happened the past four years. They do not care about the structural problems with the budget. They know that unemployment is over 9%, it got worse during the present administration, they know the nation never had a deficit of $1 trillion or more until Obama took office--he treated us to 4 straight years of $1 Trillion+ deficits. Those are the end results. That is really all that matters. Obama = Ineffective = Carter II. Chatter on.

If you're not refuting that it wouldn't be different had McCain (or any other candidate) been put into office, then I do not understand your point. You're not responding to diverdog's post at all; you're only pretending that you are.

diverdog
11/3/2011, 11:38 PM
You don't stop chattering do you? The only thing that matters to voters is what has happened the past four years. They do not care about the structural problems with the budget. They know that unemployment is over 9%, it got worse during the present administration, they know the nation never had a deficit of $1 trillion or more until Obama took office--he treated us to 4 straight years of $1 Trillion+ deficits. Those are the end results. That is really all that matters. Obama = Ineffective = Carter II.

Chatter on.

BS! The deficit/debt went over a trillion dollars in 2008 and 2009. Both of those years were under Bush budgets. You should really do some research before jabbering right wing talking points.

Voters don't care about the debt. Unemployment is an issue but the debt is side show.

diverdog
11/3/2011, 11:42 PM
That is a nice paragraph giving Bush credit for passing TARP and saving the world economy.... Now what has Obama done since then?

I absolutely give Bush credit for passing Tarp. That was the only good economic move he made as a president. Obama passed the second round and he kept us out of a depression.

Secondly, we have not had real job creation in 12 years. All the job gains under Bush disappeared at the end of 2008 and into 2009. To hang all this on Obama is ludicrous.

sappstuf
11/3/2011, 11:56 PM
]BS! The deficit/debt went over a trillion dollars in 2008 and 2009. Both of those years were under Bush budgets. You should really do some research before jabbering right wing talking points. [/B]

Voters don't care about the debt. Unemployment is an issue but the debt is side show.

2009 should have been Bush's budget, but it was not. Harry and Nancy kept it from him by passing continuing resolutions instead. They waited until Obama was in office and it was signed in March of 2009 chocked full of all the spending they wanted with no way any Repub could stop them..

Are you going to blame Bush for a bill he didn't sign?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/4/2011, 12:36 AM
You don't stop chattering do you? The only thing that matters to voters is what has happened the past four years. They do not care about the structural problems with the budget. They know that unemployment is over 9%, it got worse during the present administration, they know the nation never had a deficit of $1 trillion or more until Obama took office--he treated us to 4 straight years of $1 Trillion+ deficits. Those are the end results. That is really all that matters. Obama = Ineffective = Carter II.

Chatter on.The Left is seemingly tireless. They appear DRIVEN to make our beloved country into a keynesian/Marxist nightmare. Somehow, they are looking forward to that eventuality,

diverdog
11/4/2011, 06:12 AM
2009 should have been Bush's budget, but it was not. Harry and Nancy kept it from him by passing continuing resolutions instead. They waited until Obama was in office and it was signed in March of 2009 chocked full of all the spending they wanted with no way any Repub could stop them..

Are you going to blame Bush for a bill he didn't sign?

Sapp the budget Bush presented would have produced a trillion dollar deficit because his revenue calculations were way to high. The budget for FY 2009 was created in FY 2008. It would not have mattered what additional spending the dems put on it because it was well north of the one trillion mark.

diverdog
11/4/2011, 06:23 AM
2009 should have been Bush's budget, but it was not. Harry and Nancy kept it from him by passing continuing resolutions instead. They waited until Obama was in office and it was signed in March of 2009 chocked full of all the spending they wanted with no way any Repub could stop them..

Are you going to blame Bush for a bill he didn't sign?

Sapp the budget Bush presented would have produced a trillion dollar deficit because his revenue calculations were way to high. The budget for FY 2009 was created in FY 2008. It would not have mattered what additional spending the dems put on it because it was well north of the one trillion mark.

Bush also masked his deficits by raiding SS to the tune of $150-$200 billion per year. On top of that he kept the war spending off line. His real deficit before the economy tanked in 2008 and before TARP was closer to $650-$700 billion dollars. (yes I know Bush was not the first to raid the SS surplus). Obama or any President going forward will not have the ability to raid SS because the money is not there.

East Coast Bias
11/4/2011, 07:45 AM
I believe BUBEAR has some of this right. The populace is not sophisticated enought to consider all the issues leading up to where we are at this point in time. They are blaming the man in charge and only see what is in front of them at this moment. The problem is that the opposition appears to want the economy to fail and won't allow any of his measures to fly. We need some compromise to get through this and that is not likely to happen. All these ideaological battles are hurting the country. If you look at the polls, the country is behind a good part of what he wants to do.For example generating more income from the wealthy. Why can't we put all this crazy rhetoric aside and work on the things the country supports? And seriously, does anyone see Herman Cain as President?

Caboose
11/4/2011, 08:21 AM
The Left is seemingly tireless. They appear DRIVEN to make our beloved country into a keynesian/Marxist nightmare. Somehow, they are looking forward to that eventuality,

Religion is a powerful mental disorder. Liberalism has become a religion for a LOT of people.

JohnnyMack
11/4/2011, 09:09 AM
Religion is a powerful mental disorder.

Truth.

SoonerLaw09
11/4/2011, 09:50 AM
Truth.

Fail.

pphilfran
11/4/2011, 10:13 AM
Caboose;3388842]Religion is a powerful mental disorder[/I]. Liberalism has become a religion for a LOT of people.

You saying my Mom....the best Mom in the world...a devote Catholic...had mental problems?

Your brush is a little too broad for anyone to take you seriously....

JohnnyMack
11/4/2011, 10:34 AM
Fail.

http://trollcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/jesus_saves_trollcat.jpg

diverdog
11/4/2011, 11:32 AM
You saying my Mom....the best Mom in the world...a devote Catholic...had mental problems?

Your brush is a little too broad for anyone to take you seriously....

Wow we must be brothers. My mom is the best mom in the world.

OULenexaman
11/4/2011, 11:41 AM
And seriously, does anyone see Herman Cain as President? How could anyone see BHO as president?? But it happened.

sappstuf
11/4/2011, 11:48 AM
Sapp the budget Bush presented would have produced a trillion dollar deficit because his revenue calculations were way to high. The budget for FY 2009 was created in FY 2008. It would not have mattered what additional spending the dems put on it because it was well north of the one trillion mark.

Bush also masked his deficits by raiding SS to the tune of $150-$200 billion per year. On top of that he kept the war spending off line. His real deficit before the economy tanked in 2008 and before TARP was closer to $650-$700 billion dollars. (yes I know Bush was not the first to raid the SS surplus). Obama or any President going forward will not have the ability to raid SS because the money is not there.

So you are saying that additional spending has no effect on the deficit? Really?? The Dems hid it so they could add more spending in it once Obama was in office because they already controlled Congress. Nothing could stop them from doing whatever they wanted.. Please tell me you understand this and accept that it happened.

Speaking of making the numbers look better. That money that Bush spent with TARP has been paid back with interest... Whose numbers did that make look artificially better than they actually were?

BU BEAR
11/4/2011, 12:03 PM
I believe BUBEAR has some of this right. The populace is not sophisticated enought to consider all the issues leading up to where we are at this point in time. They are blaming the man in charge and only see what is in front of them at this moment. The problem is that the opposition appears to want the economy to fail and won't allow any of his measures to fly. We need some compromise to get through this and that is not likely to happen. All these ideaological battles are hurting the country. If you look at the polls, the country is behind a good part of what he wants to do.For example generating more income from the wealthy. Why can't we put all this crazy rhetoric aside and work on the things the country supports? And seriously, does anyone see Herman Cain as President?

Yeah, there is no way it could be Obama's fault, the people must be stupid. That is the ticket! All these ideological battles are bad for the country because they hurt Obama. I wish people would stop being so mean to the little pansy.

sappstuf
11/4/2011, 12:04 PM
According to whom? He's led all but the generic Republican who doesn't exist since the outset of the race and that's never changed.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

It has now.. Obama tied 47-47 with Romney in national poll... Down 46-47 to Romney in battleground states.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150554/Obama-Romney-Tied-Nationally-Swing-States.aspx

JohnnyMack
11/4/2011, 12:11 PM
It has now.. Obama tied 47-47 with Romney in national poll... Down 46-47 to Romney in battleground states.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150554/Obama-Romney-Tied-Nationally-Swing-States.aspx

From what I understand, the fact that a sitting POTUS is only polling in the high 40's right now is a virtual death sentence for him. He should be in the low 50's at this point.

SoonerLaw09
11/4/2011, 12:12 PM
It has now.. Obama tied 47-47 with Romney in national poll... Down 46-47 to Romney in battleground states.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150554/Obama-Romney-Tied-Nationally-Swing-States.aspx

Not only that, but Cain is within the margin of error, making it a statistical tie with him too (MoE is usually +/- 3%. The article doesn't specify.)

SoonerLaw09
11/4/2011, 12:14 PM
funny cat picture

Atheism: the opiate of the intellectual ubermensch.

sappstuf
11/4/2011, 12:15 PM
From what I understand, the fact that a sitting POTUS is only polling in the high 40's right now is a virtual death sentence for him. He should be in the low 50's at this point.

It makes it tough.. What makes it tougher is in the USA Today, er, today, it goes into more depth. Obama is treading water, or about even in the non-swing states on job satisfaction.. In the 12 swing states he is 11 or 12 points down.

He is going to have a tough time with the electoral college.

BU BEAR
11/4/2011, 12:21 PM
At this point in his first term, G.H.W. Bush was assured re-election. Polls are nice to talk about, but do not mean much at this point in terms of being accurate prognosticators for the 2012 election.

diverdog
11/4/2011, 01:08 PM
So you are saying that additional spending has no effect on the deficit? Really?? The Dems hid it so they could add more spending in it once Obama was in office because they already controlled Congress. Nothing could stop them from doing whatever they wanted.. Please tell me you understand this and accept that it happened.

Speaking of making the numbers look better. That money that Bush spent with TARP has been paid back with interest... Whose numbers did that make look artificially better than they actually were?

No what I am saying is if Bush stayed in office two more years or if McCain one the deficit would have been over a trillion dollars. The loss of revenue guaranteed it.

Secondly , only some of the tarp money has been paid back. The government took warrents in over 280 financial institution representing hundreds of billions of dollars and the bank lobby has asked that they be forgiven.

diverdog
11/4/2011, 01:13 PM
Not only that, but Cain is within the margin of error, making it a statistical tie with him too (MoE is usually +/- 3%. The article doesn't specify.)

The poll was conducted before the allegations against Cain.

SoonerLaw09
11/4/2011, 01:40 PM
The poll was conducted before the allegations against Cain.

Which from all indications are having no effect on his popularity. The haters still hate, and the supporters still support.

sappstuf
11/4/2011, 03:27 PM
So Cain's accuser see no value in revisiting case after it being brought up but wants to maintain her privacy. Says it really happened, but won't share the details...

What a hit piece. Someone must be scared of Cain.

Trophy Husband
11/4/2011, 04:04 PM
Clinton sodomized a young woman with a cigar and all we heard from the left was "do we really want to talk about sex when the country has so many other issues?" When he lied about it we heard "anyone would have lied had they done the same thing" There is not one shred of evidence that Cain has done anything other than some vague allegations that no one knows any details about.

Despite what the libs on this thread say, they are all scared chitless of Cain.

SoonerProphet
11/4/2011, 04:52 PM
I am more concerned over the fact that he was on the Federal Reserve and a K Street lobbyist than this story.

diverdog
11/4/2011, 04:52 PM
Which from all indications are having no effect on his popularity. The haters still hate, and the supporters still support.

His support is a mile wide and an inch deep.

diverdog
11/4/2011, 04:53 PM
I am more concerned over the fact that he was on the Federal Reserve and a K Street lobbyist than this story.

Exactly. He is the ultimate insider.

diverdog
11/4/2011, 04:54 PM
So Cain's accuser see no value in revisiting case after it being brought up but wants to maintain her privacy. Says it really happened, but won't share the details...

What a hit piece. Someone must be scared of Cain.

Yeah Perry or have you not been reading the news.

diverdog
11/4/2011, 04:58 PM
Clinton sodomized a young woman with a cigar and all we heard from the left was "do we really want to talk about sex when the country has so many other issues?" When he lied about it we heard "anyone would have lied had they done the same thing" There is not one shre
d of evidence that Cain has done anything other than some vague allegations that no one knows any details about.

Despite what the libs on this thread say, they are all scared chitless of Cain.

All I wanted to know is who got to smoke the cigar.

sappstuf
11/4/2011, 05:16 PM
Yeah Perry or have you not been reading the news.

Yeah, but her lawyer was on CNN.. He basically said "“I won’t say what he did, but trust me, he’s guilty of wrongdoing.".

The NRA even dropped the confidentiality clause, so she is free to speak. Earlier in the week, her lawyer said she wasn't speaking because she couldn't.

Guess that bluff was called....

soonercoop1
11/4/2011, 05:19 PM
His support is a mile wide and an inch deep.

In the land of free diapers I would say so...:D

diverdog
11/4/2011, 06:28 PM
Yeah, but her lawyer was on CNN.. He basically said "“I won’t say what he did, but trust me, he’s guilty of wrongdoing.".

The NRA even dropped the confidentiality clause, so she is free to speak. Earlier in the week, her lawyer said she wasn't speaking because she couldn't.

Guess that bluff was called....

No it wasn't and I bet more stuff comes out because Perry will not stop until he is destroyed. This is Republican smear tactics 101. Did you forget about the whisper campaign against McCain?

Trust me the Dems are happy to let the Republicans eat their own.

Caboose
11/4/2011, 08:08 PM
You saying my Mom....the best Mom in the world...a devote Catholic...had mental problems?

Your brush is a little too broad for anyone to take you seriously....

Did you mom believe in **** that she knew damn well wasn't true? If so, then yes... that is a mental problem.

MR2-Sooner86
11/4/2011, 08:24 PM
http://www.mrc.org/BiasAlert/uploads/CainClinton.JPG

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/4/2011, 08:32 PM
http://www.mrc.org/BiasAlert/uploads/CainClinton.JPGDo you have a URL for this?( I have a lib friend that claims he has never heard of Juanita Broaddrick!!! I suppose if your sources of news are NPR, Huffington Post and Network News, that IS possible, huh?)

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/4/2011, 08:38 PM
Who was the other woman infamously involved with Der Schlickmeister after he became pres.? Oh yeah, Linda Tripp. WOW, did the Media ever try to destroy that woman!!!

sappstuf
11/4/2011, 08:42 PM
I am more concerned over the fact that he was on the Federal Reserve and a K Street lobbyist than this story.

The only thing he was missing is not paying his taxes and he would have been in Obama's cabinet..

East Coast Bias
11/5/2011, 07:08 AM
Yeah, there is no way it could be Obama's fault, the people must be stupid. That is the ticket! All these ideological battles are bad for the country because they hurt Obama. I wish people would stop being so mean to the little pansy.

I am willing to give Obama his stake in this, but the party of "No" that controls Congress needs to own up to their part. The American people are fed up with gridlock and more heads are bound to roll at election time. The ideological battle is hurting the country, not Obama. Jobs, the deficit, all of these issues affect everyone. Its really as simple as Obama says: "We need to put politics aside and do what is right for the country." Surely we can all agree on a few of the very basic items? The people are smart enough to understand all of this...........

soonercoop1
11/5/2011, 08:12 AM
http://www.mrc.org/BiasAlert/uploads/CainClinton.JPG

More truth that the Dems can't handle...wish we could finally get together and bankrupt these media companies....all they produce is Dem liberal/progressive anti-American propaganda....

Caboose
11/5/2011, 09:30 AM
I am willing to give Obama his stake in this, but the party of "No" that controls Congress needs to own up to their part. The American people are fed up with gridlock and more heads are bound to roll at election time. The ideological battle is hurting the country, not Obama. Jobs, the deficit, all of these issues affect everyone. Its really as simple as Obama says: "We need to put politics aside and do what is right for the country." Surely we can all agree on a few of the very basic items? The people are smart enough to understand all of this...........

The "party of No" crap is retarded. There is nothing wrong with saying NO to one stupid and dangerous idea after another that Democrats propose.

sappstuf
11/5/2011, 09:48 AM
I am willing to give Obama his stake in this, but the party of "No" that controls Congress needs to own up to their part. The American people are fed up with gridlock and more heads are bound to roll at election time. The ideological battle is hurting the country, not Obama. Jobs, the deficit, all of these issues affect everyone. Its really as simple as Obama says: "We need to put politics aside and do what is right for the country." Surely we can all agree on a few of the very basic items? The people are smart enough to understand all of this...........

You do realize that the Dems control 1/2 of Congress don't you? Obama could barely get anything passed when the Dems controlled everything. The fact is he is just a poor leader.

It isn't really his fault.. He never held a real job.

You can't expect people to do a job well when they have no experience. Add in traits of narcissism and it makes for a very poor combination.

Midtowner
11/5/2011, 09:49 AM
More truth that the Dems can't handle...wish we could finally get together and bankrupt these media companies....all they produce is Dem liberal/progressive anti-American propaganda....

Perhaps the media has changed and the 24-hour news cycle has become a lot faster since the mid 1990's. Also, why does this leave CNN out altogether?

AlboSooner
11/5/2011, 10:36 AM
It's great logic to think because the media ignored past harassment claims, they must do the same for Cain. Great. Logic.

diverdog
11/5/2011, 11:49 AM
http://www.mrc.org/BiasAlert/uploads/CainClinton.JPG

I call bullsh*t on your chart. 3 news shows times 3 days times 2 times a day does not equal 50 stories. And never mind that you had 24/7 coverage of the Clintons via rw hate radio and news shows.

soonercoop1
11/5/2011, 05:46 PM
Perhaps the media has changed and the 24-hour news cycle has become a lot faster since the mid 1990's. Also, why does this leave CNN out altogether?

Didin't mention them cause really other than FOX the majority of the others are slanted liberal/progressive...(some more than others)...24 hr cycle means more crap but the slant is still there...

Midtowner
11/6/2011, 09:47 AM
Didin't mention them cause really other than FOX the majority of the others are slanted liberal/progressive...(some more than others)...24 hr cycle means more crap but the slant is still there...

Because they don't parrot the talking points of right wing radio does not make them liberal.

SanJoaquinSooner
11/6/2011, 12:19 PM
This Cain meltdown is an opportunity for Perry to fill the void, look relatively good, resuscitate his campaign, and become a player again!

soonercoop1
11/7/2011, 10:50 AM
Because they don't parrot the talking points of right wing radio does not make them liberal.

Please, their agenda has always been a liberal/progressive one...at least since I have paid attention since the late 70s...so they don't parrot smaller government, lower taxes, personal responsibility, etc...

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/7/2011, 03:03 PM
Because they don't parrot the talking points of right wing radio does not make them liberal.The opposite of conservative is liberal. IOW that's why they are referred to as liberal. They could/should also be called Nannystate, democrat party, Big Brother, anti-capitalist, and Anti-American, etc.. It's just a heckuva lot simpler to call them Liberals or Socialists. haha

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/7/2011, 03:05 PM
Herman has now an actual accusee of sexual harrassment. The media would no doubt lighten up on him if he was accused of exposing himself, ala Paul Jones.

Midtowner
11/7/2011, 03:38 PM
So you trot out some obvious bull**** chart and call it evidence? Please. CNN isn't included on the list and I'm guessing even Fox considers this news.

And then to suggest that a major candidate being implicated in multiple sexual harassment/assault incidents is not newsworthy? How completely absurd.

It is true that the office of the POTUS is regarded differently thanks to Clinton. Prior to him [as with Kennedy] there was a certain taboo about reporting on the dalliances of the occupant of the oval office. It was thought to be irrelevant. As far as Clinton is concerned, it really didn't bother me that much. He was very effective at his job. My problem with Clinton is the whole perjury thing. He was a lawyer at the time and knew the difference between perjury and telling the truth and he chose to break the law. His matrimonial issues are between him and his wife. His obligation to tell the truth when under oath is an obligation of his office and profession.

I'm not so much worried about Cain's dalliances. It's the fact that despite mountains of evidence that it happened, he is willing to lie and say whatever he has to to stay in the hunt. That sort of person has no business being the POTUS. That's the same 'truth is irrelevant' thinking that got us into a war in Iraq.

soonercoop1
11/7/2011, 03:44 PM
Herman has now an actual accuser of sexual harrassment. The media would no doubt lighten up on him if he was accused of exposing himself, ala Paul Jones.

She is from Chicago...go figure...and has the super lib/progressive Gloria Allred as representation...seriously they must think people are completely stupid...

diverdog
11/7/2011, 03:45 PM
Herman has now an actual accuser of sexual harrassment. The media would no doubt lighten up on him if he was accused of exposing himself, ala Paul Jones.

Holy crap...Gloria Allred is her attorney. She is 100% pit bull. He will have his hands full. Are there 4 woman who have accused him?

soonercoop1
11/7/2011, 03:47 PM
Holy crap...Gloria Allred is her attorney. She is 100% pit bull. He will have his hands full. Are there 4 woman who have accused him?

That makes her completely unbelievable with that super lib/progressive as representation...

Midtowner
11/7/2011, 04:01 PM
You disagree with them, so clearly they must be lying. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

diverdog
11/7/2011, 04:10 PM
That makes her completely unbelievable with that super lib/progressive as representation...

Coop:

Doesn't matter. Allred is really really good at what she does. Ask Tiger Woods. Cain is going to be dealing with someone who does not lose.

I think Cain is done. Perry's campaign did what was needed to make this a two man race.

JohnnyMack
11/7/2011, 04:18 PM
Coop:

Doesn't matter. Allred is really really good at what she does. Ask Tiger Woods. Cain is going to be dealing with someone who does not lose.

I think Cain is done. Perry's campaign did what was needed to give Romney the nod.

FTFY

diverdog
11/7/2011, 04:44 PM
You disagree with them, so clearly they must be lying. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Midtown:

At what point does sexual harrassment become sexual assualt? If this account is true I think Cain crossed the line.

XingTheRubicon
11/7/2011, 04:44 PM
Since when did shoving a female employee's face in your crotch become "harassment."


Every successful woman, at some point on the way up, suffers zipper marks.

diverdog
11/7/2011, 04:45 PM
FTFY

LOL. True.

soonercoop1
11/7/2011, 04:59 PM
Coop:

Doesn't matter. Allred is really really good at what she does. Ask Tiger Woods. Cain is going to be dealing with someone who does not lose.

I think Cain is done. Perry's campaign did what was needed to make this a two man race.

Good at being an anti-American liberal/progressive hack? You're right though as the sheeple will be convinced it is true even though it looks very doubtful it was...15-20 years ago...seriously?

soonercoop1
11/7/2011, 05:00 PM
You disagree with them, so clearly they must be lying. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Everything she does is geared to destroy someone who is not a liberal/progressives character...luckily many have figured that out...

diverdog
11/7/2011, 05:13 PM
Good at being an anti-American liberal/progressive hack? You're right though as the sheeple will be convinced it is true even though it looks very doubtful it was...15-20 years ago...seriously?

Coop:

One allegation you can dismissed. Four allegations and you got smoke. On top of that some off these cases were settled. Fire. Cain is in trouble and this not the media's fault, it is Cain's fault if true.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/7/2011, 05:28 PM
Everything she does is geared to destroy someone who is not a liberal/progressives character...luckily many have figured that out...It's sorta helpful to have the media on your side. They will keep this alive until they get him, whether he's guilty of anything or not.

East Coast Bias
11/7/2011, 06:18 PM
More conspiracy theories? I see the earthquake didn't knock any sense into anyone down there?

Midtowner
11/7/2011, 06:34 PM
Everything she does is geared to destroy someone who is not a liberal/progressives character...luckily many have figured that out...

No, everything she does is about making her clients lots of money. I don't care for her methods, I think she's the worst of what my profession has to offer. That does not mean that I think she's a liar or that she's bluffing in this case. I don't really know that. But for there to be two separate settlements for five figures, and a third and now fourth person with plausible connections to Cain coming out of the woodwork, it's a reasonable assumption that this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Midtowner
11/7/2011, 06:37 PM
Midtown:

At what point does sexual harrassment become sexual assualt? If this account is true I think Cain crossed the line.

No person may be convicted of sexual battery unless the State has proved beyond a reasonable doubt each element of the crime. These elements are:

First, intentionally;

Second, touched/felt/mauled;

Third, the body/(private parts);

Fourth, of any person sixteen years of age or older;

Fifth, without his/her consent;

Sixth, in a lewd and lascivious manner.

OR

First, a state/county/municipal/(political subdivision) employee/ contractor/[employee of a contractor of (the state)/(a county/ municipality/(political subdivision of Oklahoma)];

Second, intentionally;

Third, touched/felt/mauled;

Fourth, the body/(private parts);

Fifth, of any person sixteen years of age or older;

Sixth, who was under the legal custody, supervision or authority of a (state agency)/county/municipality/(political subdivision) of Oklahoma;

Sixth, in a lewd and lascivious manner.

The words "lewd" and "lascivious" have the same meaning and signify conduct which is lustful and which evinces an eagerness for sexual indulgence.

Midtowner
11/7/2011, 06:39 PM
Good at being an anti-American liberal/progressive hack? You're right though as the sheeple will be convinced it is true even though it looks very doubtful it was...15-20 years ago...seriously?

And you can't imagine that she was just going to let it go on as one of the millions of unreported sex crimes which happen every year in the United States until the dude went and ran for President, faced similar public charges and then lied about it? That's not plausible to you?

Perhaps the sad part is that the 'pubs are in such full-on meltdown right now that they don't have a viable candidate for President in a year they probably had the upper hand to knock off an incumbent. Denial is merely the first step on the path towards acceptance.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/7/2011, 08:19 PM
And you can't imagine that she was just going to let it go on as one of the millions of unreported sex crimes which happen every year in the United States until the dude went and ran for President, faced similar public charges and then lied about it? That's not plausible to you?

Perhaps the sad part is that the 'pubs are in such full-on meltdown right now that they don't have a viable candidate for President in a year they probably had the upper hand to knock off an incumbent. Denial is merely the first step on the path towards acceptance.Orange Juice Can(R)> Obearack or Hillry. Yeah, we'll take Romney if we have to.

soonercruiser
11/7/2011, 10:39 PM
More conspiracy theories? I see the earthquake didn't knock any sense into anyone down there?

How many women's stories did the media ignore on Bill Clinton?
Glad he's spending more time in Africa and Haiti these days!
:GB_bonesrock:

soonercruiser
11/7/2011, 10:41 PM
And you can't imagine that she was just going to let it go on as one of the millions of unreported sex crimes which happen every year in the United States until the dude went and ran for President, faced similar public charges and then lied about it? That's not plausible to you?

Perhaps the sad part is that the 'pubs are in such full-on meltdown right now that they don't have a viable candidate for President in a year they probably had the upper hand to knock off an incumbent. Denial is merely the first step on the path towards acceptance.

The liberal drive-by media have already run more stoires on Cain allegations than all the Bill Clintoin trists!

Some people, even if born stupid, don't stay that way watching the media over the years!
Good time to donate to Cain's campaign.

soonercruiser
11/7/2011, 10:47 PM
Holy crap...Gloria Allred is her attorney. She is 100% pit bull. He will have his hands full. Are there 4 woman who have accused him?

You knew SHE was coming eventually.
Like hearing the scream of the ambulenece, Gloria to the rescue!
Some reading material...
Liberal feminist hack!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Allred

Midtowner
11/7/2011, 11:49 PM
The liberal drive-by media have already run more stoires on Cain allegations than all the Bill Clintoin trists!

Some people, even if born stupid, don't stay that way watching the media over the years!
Good time to donate to Cain's campaign.

Link please?

yermom
11/7/2011, 11:55 PM
really, were you alive in the 90's?

XingTheRubicon
11/8/2011, 08:56 AM
yeah, I remember the Clinton pecker stories running about 24/7 during some parts of the '90s

TheHumanAlphabet
11/8/2011, 02:30 PM
Holy crap...Gloria Allred is her attorney. She is 100% a$$hole and a media whore.

FIFY

TheHumanAlphabet
11/8/2011, 02:31 PM
It's sorta helpful to have the media on your side. They will keep this alive until they get him, whether he's guilty of anything or not.
^^^This. Destroy the person that will match up best against O'Bummer....

Ton Loc
11/8/2011, 05:03 PM
^^^This. Destroy the person that will match up best against O'Bummer....

Laughable - if a pizza selling, sexual harrassing, black dude that sounds like a juke box full of right wing sillyness is the best they've got then it is already over.

I wish Ron Paul was still alive. Maybe Mitt Romney will sack up.

Trophy Husband
11/8/2011, 05:06 PM
Coop:

One allegation you can dismissed. Four allegations and you got smoke. On top of that some off these cases were settled. Fire. Cain is in trouble and this not the media's fault, it is Cain's fault if true.

Funny, Clinton had all sorts of allegations against him and it didn't hurt him. Why should Cain be in trouble for allegedly sexually harassing a woman or several women, when Bill Clinton was lauded by the dems for the same thing? What happened to all the "he's just an average guy like the rest of us" talk we used to hear from the libs?

When the Clinton stuff came out the media immediately set out to destroy the reputations of any and every woman who came forward. Hell at one point there was a rape allegation that came out against him. Where the hell were you and yours then, hypocrite?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/8/2011, 05:07 PM
^^^This. Destroy the person that will match up best against O'Bummer.... Cain was getting too strong, and is a real conservative, at least on most of the important issues, such as Amnesty and Socialized Medicine. So, time to unleash the weapons against him. It will be interesting to see how long he can last.

Trophy Husband
11/8/2011, 05:10 PM
Laughable - if a pizza selling, sexual harrassing, black dude that sounds like a juke box full of right wing sillyness is the best they've got then it is already over.

I wish Ron Paul was still alive. Maybe Mitt Romney will sack up.

The democrats are worried to death about Cain, that's why they've started this smear campaign. Have you seen this bimbo that's talking now, she can't wipe the smile off of her face. Yea, she sure looks like someone that was sexually harassed to the point that she was too ashamed and embarrassed to speak about it for 14 years.

Where's her list of witnesses who she told this to? Where's the blue dress with the cum stain on it, where's the cuban cigar/dildo? As a matter of fact, where the hell is all the outrage from the liberals about going after someone over sex?

Ton Loc
11/8/2011, 05:11 PM
Where the hell were you and yours then, hypocrite?

Anger ended with a question that makes zero sense and any answer would be meaningless. Awesome!

Trophy Husband
11/8/2011, 05:14 PM
Cain was getting too strong, and is a real conservative, at least on most of the important issues, such as Amnesty and Socialized Medicine. So, time to unleash the weapons against him. It will be interesting to see how long he can last.

It's so funny, Bill Clinton had rape allegations brought against him, he smuggled an aid into the whitehouse and sodomized her with a cigar, then made a deposit on her dress, and every damn lib on the planet acted like it was no big deal.

Now some bimbo comes out and says Herman Cain touched her leg and all these libs are offended. The lady can't wipe the smile off of her face long enough to force out a fake tear.

Trophy Husband
11/8/2011, 05:15 PM
Anger ended with a question that makes zero sense and any answer would be meaningless. Awesome!

In other words, you can't break my argument so you resort to grammar policing. Nice try lib, now address the points I made.

Trophy Husband
11/8/2011, 05:18 PM
Bill rapes a woman, and sodomizes another and he's "just one of the guys". Cain allegedly touches a woman's leg and it's "oh the humanity". I swear, I really hate liberals.

Ton Loc
11/8/2011, 05:23 PM
In other words, you can't break my argument so you resort to grammar policing. Nice try lib, now address the points I made.

What points?

Points to things that happened when some/most of us weren't old enough to vote. A time when the internet and media were not even close to as powerful as they were today. A time where you didn't have 10% as many outlets to express your frustration and anger. The fact that the world and the country was in a different place back then.

Really, it makes no sense to compare 12-20 years ago to today's standards. I will say this though, Cain seems to have better taste than Billy Clint in the women category.

East Coast Bias
11/8/2011, 05:54 PM
Typical attempt to try and deflect this by bringing up past offenders.That and trotting out all the ridiculous conspiracy theories. I would point to more recent examples such as Weiner Don't be surprised if someone comes up with a photo of Cain with some of these women he is claiming to have never met. There certainly will be other women come forward if all this is a recurring pattern of behavior.There is no place to hide from the internet.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/8/2011, 05:58 PM
The democrats are worried to death about Cain, that's why they've started this smear campaign.... where the hell is all the outrage from the liberals about going after someone over sex?They are SO transparent, aren't they? Then, they accuse conservatives of being stupid, or ignorant. If the libs on this board alone would only realize how silly it is for them to retain their superiority complexes, it would serve them well.

Serge Ibaka
11/8/2011, 06:06 PM
Bill rapes a woman, and sodomizes another and he's "just one of the guys". Cain allegedly touches a woman's leg and it's "oh the humanity". I swear, I really hate liberals.

I feel like this thread is full of misinformation.

There were sexual-harassment complaints, and two women were paid 5-figures to go away.

So there.

Ton Loc
11/8/2011, 06:15 PM
Rush speaking about superiority complexes - (insert obvious pot-kettle pic here)

Regardless of if he is guilty or not, the guy could not act or look guiltier (more guilty?). His responses are terrible. His story has changed more times than anyone can count. He has done a terrible job at representing himself. I'm guessing someone forgot to load the right wing sexual harrassment talking points file into Herman "the jukebox" Cain.

soonercoop1
11/8/2011, 06:20 PM
They are SO transparent, aren't they? Then, they accuse conservatives of being stupid, or ignorant. If the libs on this board alone would only realize how silly it is for them to retain their superiority complexes, it would serve them well.

Don't think they realize how angry they have made and are making many of us...

soonercoop1
11/8/2011, 06:22 PM
Rush speaking about superiority complexes - (insert obvious pot-kettle pic here)

Regardless of if he is guilty or not, the guy could not act or look guiltier (more guilty?). His responses are terrible. His story has changed more times than anyone can count. He has done a terrible job at representing himself. I'm guessing someone forgot to load the right wing sexual harrassment talking points file into Herman "the jukebox" Cain.

So since you have followed and research the facts do you really believe the accusations and do you believe it is politically motivated?

Serge Ibaka
11/8/2011, 06:23 PM
I'm really impressed at how many people actually believe that he's a viable candidate (and not a silly, empty box of talking-points).

The GOP really screwed up on this one: it was theirs for the taking! And then they unfolded a cast of cartoon characters.

Ton Loc
11/8/2011, 06:29 PM
So since you have followed and research the facts do you really believe the accusations and do you believe it is politically motivated?

I believe the accusations and with the timing I'm sure it is politically motivated, what isn't?

You have heard his responses, reasons, and answers over the last few days. What about him inspires any confidence whatsoever?

soonercoop1
11/8/2011, 06:47 PM
I believe the accusations and with the timing I'm sure it is politically motivated, what isn't?

You have heard his responses, reasons, and answers over the last few days. What about him inspires any confidence whatsoever?

Have you actually read about the women and followed the complete story? If you had you would see that it is completely politically motivated character assassination. Dig a little deeper.

Midtowner
11/8/2011, 07:11 PM
This is all a vast left wing conspiracy.

Sounds eerily familiar....

BU BEAR
11/8/2011, 08:59 PM
Cain is not going to be the Republican nominee. This is nothing to use much energy on.

diverdog
11/8/2011, 11:37 PM
Funny, Clinton had all sorts of allegations against him and it didn't hurt him. Why should Cain be in trouble for allegedly sexually harassing a woman or several women, when Bill Clinton was lauded by the dems for the same thing? What happened to all the "he's just an average guy like the rest of us" talk we used to hear from the libs?

When the Clinton stuff came out the media immediately set out to destroy the reputations of any and every woman who came forward. Hell at one point there was a rape allegation that came out against him. Where the hell were you and yours then, hypocrite?



Where was I during that time....probably deployed in some hell hole serving my country and not paying much attention to the media. Is that good enough for ya, sport?

SanJoaquinSooner
11/9/2011, 01:05 AM
with the CNBC debate on economic issues approaching, the Cain camp has developed a new campaign slogan:

"You want a job, right?"

TheHumanAlphabet
11/9/2011, 11:14 AM
I'm really impressed at how many people actually believe that he's a viable candidate (and not a silly, empty box of talking-points).

The GOP really screwed up on this one: it was theirs for the taking! And then they unfolded a cast of cartoon characters.

Who in your great wisdom would be a "viable candidate" from the Republican party? or are you just against all Republicans?

Trophy Husband
11/9/2011, 12:00 PM
I'm really impressed at how many people actually believe that he's a viable candidate (and not a silly, empty box of talking-points).

The GOP really screwed up on this one: it was theirs for the taking! And then they unfolded a cast of cartoon characters.

If the left felt as if Cain wasn't a serious threat, they wouldn't be parading out a bunch of bimbos alleging sexual harassment. Never mind the fact that to date, not one of them have provided one shred of evidence to support their claim.

The left is now doing what they always do when they can't win with ideas, they attempt to assassinate the character of their opponents. In other words, "I can't defeat you in the arena of ideas, so I'll try to make you look like an idiot so people will dismiss anything you have to say".

JohnnyMack
11/9/2011, 12:03 PM
If the left felt as if Cain wasn't a serious threat, they wouldn't be parading out a bunch of bimbos alleging sexual harassment. Never mind the fact that to date, not one of them have provided one shred of evidence to support their claim.

The left is now doing what they always do when they can't win with ideas, they attempt to assassinate the character of their opponents. In other words, "I can't defeat you in the arena of ideas, so I'll try to make you look like an idiot so people will dismiss anything you have to say".

So what you're saying is, they swiftboated him?

Character assassination isn't something reserved for the left side of American politics you ninny.

Trophy Husband
11/9/2011, 12:03 PM
Where was I during that time....probably deployed in some hell hole serving my country and not paying much attention to the media. Is that good enough for ya, sport?

No it's not sport, and I find it very offensive that you're trying to hide behind your military service in an attempt to cover up you hypocrisy on this subject. Got it skippy?

Trophy Husband
11/9/2011, 12:08 PM
So what you're saying is, they swiftboated him?

Character assassination isn't something reserved for the left side of American politics you ninny.

I never said it was reserved for the left dip ****. If you had a modicum of common sense you'd know what I meant. I said, when Clinton was being investigated you and your robotic hordes applauded the guy. Hell he was just one of the guys, doing what guys do. You attempted to destroy the character of the women who accused him. You justified his lying under oath in the Paula Jones hearing.

Now you're sooooooooooo offended by these allegations. Idiot!!

JohnnyMack
11/9/2011, 12:19 PM
I never said it was reserved for the left dip ****. If you had a modicum of common sense you'd know what I meant. I said, when Clinton was being investigated you and your robotic hordes applauded the guy. Hell he was just one of the guys, doing what guys do. You attempted to destroy the character of the women who accused him. You justified his lying under oath in the Paula Jones hearing.

Now you're sooooooooooo offended by these allegations. Idiot!!

Only political party I've ever belonged to is the GOP. I'm not a Dem, or a lib. and I would sooner eat a bucket of **** than ever join either party. I think this whole Herman Cain is a farce, but I think it's a farce that was set in motion by the right, specifically an evangelical nutjob named Perry.

Here's a Reince Priebus quote that tells you all you need to know, "I think primaries are tough"

Trophy Husband
11/9/2011, 01:02 PM
Only political party I've ever belonged to is the GOP. I'm not a Dem, or a lib. and I would sooner eat a bucket of **** than ever join either party. I think this whole Herman Cain is a farce, but I think it's a farce that was set in motion by the right, specifically an evangelical nutjob named Perry.

Here's a Reince Priebus quote that tells you all you need to know, "I think primaries are tough"

I'm not concerned with who started this, I'm talking about how the left and the media has responded to it juxtaposed to their response when Clinton was accused of much worse with much more evidence to back those accusations.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/9/2011, 01:27 PM
This is all a vast left wing conspiracy.

Sounds eerily familiar....YES! sounds like the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy claim that sir Hillry made famous a few yrs. ago. Is there a point?haha

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/9/2011, 01:28 PM
I'm not concerned with who started this, I'm talking about how the left and the media has responded to it juxtaposed to their response when Clinton was accused of much worse with much more evidence to back those accusations.Let's talk about Juanita Broaddrick!

TheHumanAlphabet
11/9/2011, 02:02 PM
So what you're saying is, they swiftboated him?

Character assassination isn't something reserved for the left side of American politics you ninny.

At least the Swiftboaters had something on Senator Heinz, err Kerry. There is nothing here about Cain. The latest has big money problems, has been sued for non payment of rent and loans and has declared bankruptcy twice...

Ton Loc
11/9/2011, 02:21 PM
I'd rather hear from Karen Kraushaar.

diverdog
11/9/2011, 02:45 PM
No it's not sport, and I find it very offensive that you're trying to hide behind your military service in an attempt to cover up you hypocrisy on this subject. Got it skippy?

Okay scrotum breath let me lay it out for you:

1. I voted for Ross Perot in both elections.
2. I voted for Bill Roth as Senator.
3. My only interest in Cain is from a political theater standpoint. I could care less if he wins.
4. I like Romney or Huntsman.
5. Upon further review of the news conference I do not find the first victim entirely credible. On the other I don't find Cain all that credible. Something happened with these 4 women and we will never know who is right.
6. Clinton got in a lot of trouble and was almost thrown out of office. So I have no idea where you guys come off as saying nothing happened. He probably should have gone to jail when he was in Arkansas .
7. You may not know this but media coverage for the US is pretty sparce when you are in Africa or the Mid East. We would get three day old Stars and Stripes if we were lucky.